From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 11:18:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FEC1BA1; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22a.google.com (mail-yk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0125D2A55; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 9so2317764ykp.15 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:18:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DGDxaH07iHwhjdykKVXkqGajWuvmtuma03S9Y9fm4bE=; b=Mba0ZZo3LhfcmNQULjf8CnY46pnQW+/83Ga2RqWP1MjVSycCwO1f8aJWtsXFZV7cF0 VlNGco4yG9cDbnrU1E+n4XhDH0eMbqHOljbrHURtH170BGAFGQ3HlSExEc2rDLMRucFm jvVxiem87EWMbjvVIB/FbPxvv8oJtdLPZV6B0uFQfHSONhKgPK5p+Dq2Gvprm6mMx3Va WrQeAMQm6CPrxcalg3dwC2VHx4YcLSnrwqprsnXWPo+6I+ykqR8IilDroyeMDysuxyUx M2h07fxVqbR0e2gny189R5ngef2r7Rn8Wr7Inu6+5LMIyS0d38UWRpidSkvqA6CwzYUN exzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.108.147 with SMTP id q19mr28114649yhg.27.1405855134154; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:18:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53CA2D39.6000204@sasktel.net> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> <53CA2D39.6000204@sasktel.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:18:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: Stephen Hurd X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:00:40 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , Matt Bettinger X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:18:55 -0000 all of that is true, but you are missing the point. Having two versions of pf on the bsd's at the user level, is a bad thing. It confuses people, which puts them off. Its a classic case of divide an conquer for other platforms. I really like the idea of the openpf version, that has been mentioned in this thread. It would be awesome if it ended up as a supported linux thing as well, so the world could be rid of iptables. However i guess thats just an unrealistic dream On 19 July 2014 09:32, Stephen Hurd wrote: > krad wrote: > > that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not > the > > way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. > We > > should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is > > reaching out. > > One of FreeBSD's historic strengths has been the handbook and generally > good quality documentation. There is no way that the FreeBSD project > can ensure that all Google results for everyone in the world are FreeBSD > related "good" documentation, but it can ensure that the documentation > included with FreeBSD is accurate and usable, and it can ensure that the > FreeBSD documentation is available via the internet. > > Aside from blindly following whatever generates the most Google results > (an obviously broken solution), what exactly can the FreeBSD project do > to ensure that when someone "Googles" a problem they will end up with a > correct FreeBSD solution? >