From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 20:26:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA7816A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:26:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D25E43D58 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:26:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1EcqLK-000OTz-4T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:26:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49981311-B77C-4F3C-9F76-CC2EDD7A2EDB@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:26:48 -0700 To: Free BSD Questions list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: [summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:26:51 -0000 On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >> The plan is to come out with new gear every few years so as to >> extract >> money from >> the customer base. As I already said in my first post, lots of >> people >> are like you - >> perfectly happy NOT buying the latest Apple product. Apple wants >> money >> from them - >> so Apple has to shake things up. > > Those same people will continue to use their older Apple HW. No > need for them to be shook up. You make claims but have nothing > more than your opinion to support it. Logic doesn't even support it. This is pretty much the gist of it: Ted maintains that the or a major reason for Apple to switch to Intel was to force an extra HW upgrade cycle amongst Mac users to generate more revenue than they would otherwise have gotten by maintaining the PPC as their architecture for OS X / Macintosh. He used the word "greed" to describe this. This ignores the fact that Apple is doing everything they possibly can, at great expense, to make sure that the PPC Macs are fully supported and usable after the transition. Very few people will upgrade their Macs sooner due to this transition and so most upgrades will happen on the normal HW upgrade cycle that an particular Mac user follows. Hence there is no short term economic benefit to this transition as no extra HW cycle will in general take place. There may be long term economic benefits from this decision based on component costs, R&D costs, etc. but Ted's "greed" argument falls flat on its face. There will of course be some upgrades to Intel platform by typical power-user/early adopter/tech weenie type people who are interested in the technology itself, but not enough to set any sort of macro trend or to have a meaningful padding of the Apple bottom line. The same kind of people are probably buying the Quad G5 now (I know I want one :-) ). Chad most of whose Macs are built from parts from eBay and parts shops and PC parts [total 3 Macs in the last 3 years -- personal and business owned], though he does have 3 original purchased Macs from Apple since 1998 [all business owned], 1 of which has been passed on to others. Also has built numerous x86 architecture based (mostly AMD chips) FreeBSD boxes and one Solaris 10 box. > > Chad > > --- > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC > Your Web App and Email hosting provider > chad@shire.net > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad@shire.net