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Date:      Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:53:51 +0100 (CET)
From:      Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
To:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
Cc:        Eduardo Cerejo <ejcerejo@optonline.net>, FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: KDE: What a monster!
Message-ID:  <20090125144428.B44198@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
In-Reply-To: <20090125022647.6b379fed.freebsd@edvax.de>
References:  <20090123191547.fd43d651.ejcerejo@optonline.net> <20090125022647.6b379fed.freebsd@edvax.de>

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> Without wanting to start an endless discussion, I may say that I've
> recognized the tendency to slow down programs in UNIX world such as
> it is always described in "Windows" land: As soon as you get a new
> OS or new programs, everything runs slower than before. In order to
> keep the "overall usage speed", you need to have more hardware power.

fortunately it's only tendency to "trendy" software like KDE. not for all 
unix software. and definitely NOT for FreeBSD OS inself, that gets 
same or faster every release on THE SAME machine!

it's not unix problem. it's problem of people that like to have their unix 
be "like windows" so it is :)

for me it's not a problem at all!


>
> I'm running a P4 2GHz for more than 4 years now happily (I think),
> but when I needed to build a new software installation due to a
> data fallout in July 2008, I found everything running slower.

what exactly software you rebuild and found slower (except KDE/Gnome 
bloatware) ?


> THIS TO ALL FreeBSD DEVELOPERS: NOT YOUR FAULT! Every release of
> FreeBSD brought a higher bootup speed to my system, faster system
> services and better performance.

INDEED. contrary to linux that it's mostly faster in artifical tests, 
slower on everything else. contrary to NetBSD, (no idea about openbsd), 
not mentioning Slowlaris :)

that's why i use it!

>
> But what about these advantages? They've got eaten up by all the
> applications installed, their libraries and especially their GUI
> toolkits. Nearly every Gtk application has been switched from
> Gtk 1 to Gtk 2, including more disk consuming libs and depencencies,
> slower program startup and slower reaction.

unfortunately you are right. but you can use IMHO firefox with GTK1

>
> My "favourite" examples are:
>
> 	* Opera, hardly reacting on input while loading a web
> 	  page (and no, I don't try to use "Flash" stuff)

it's not libraries fault but opera fault IMHO.
i see the same!


>
> 	* Gimp, loads very slowly, needs seconds (!) to show
> 	  the right click menu, needs several seconds to launch
> 	  printing dialog

what gimp version. mine starts 10 seconds, then works quick.
checked with ldd - it uses gtk2 and tons of other libs.
are you sure there are no other problems with your system?

>
> On the other hand, there are "old" programs that seem to profit
> from the system's speed gain. That's why I love to use them instead
> of their "oversized brothers".

so use them as long as you can - as i do.

>
> Such an "oversized brother" is KDE 4. Don't get me wrong, please.

so why do you use it? it's mostly useless even if it would be fast.

There is NO USE for it's "GUI", and it's programs are toys, not much 
usable.

use separate programs for spreadsheets, word processors and similar 
"office" work.


> On an up-to-date hardware basis, it's surely a joy to use, fast

you are wrong. it's slow on quad core intel with 4GB RAM.
i tested it.

> and responsive. But if your system isn't from today, you don't
> gonna have fun with it. Around me, other users seem to favour
> Gnome instead of KDE because they are not willing to update their

gnome is slow too. just a little bit less slow ;)


my main and only personal computer is IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with 
Pentium 3M/1200 and 256MB RAM.

without all these bloats it happily runs all i need fast without any 
swapping. only opera gets slower ;)

BTW are there somewhere available older version of opera package? :)



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