From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 20 19:36:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DD416A468 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) Received: from kininvie.sv.svcolo.com (kininvie.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE67213C44B for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) Received: from [10.67.240.119] (public-wireless.sc.svcolo.com [64.13.143.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by kininvie.sv.svcolo.com (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l5KJamId020364; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) In-Reply-To: <20070620132108447264.6b8a3cd5@kjsl.com> References: <20070620151306.GM45993@therub.org> <20070620115023971992.49dc4616@kjsl.com> <20070620164749.GN45993@therub.org> <20070620132108447264.6b8a3cd5@kjsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jo Rhett Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:36:42 -0700 To: Javier Henderson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: undef - jrhett@svcolo.com is whitelisted. X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 114485 - 70754243ba16 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.135.12 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Dan Rue Subject: Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:36:49 -0000 On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Javier Henderson wrote: >>> So if it's quiet, is it because it's OK, or because it's too >>> broken to >>> complain? >> >> If it's too broken to complain, then the behavior is the same with or >> without this patch. > > I'm just referring to the assertion that the Unix model is to be > quiet when everything is OK. Maybe it's a personal preference, I > guess. No difference. If every day you get dozens of messages saying "No output from 5 commands" then you'll never know that a problem occurred because the message is the same. And more than likely, you just delete the messages every morning without reading them anyway -- which is worse. So the net effect of this change is zero, except that you can disable getting useless messages and thus if you do get e-mail you know that a problem has been happened and you won't ignore it. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation Support Phone: 408-400-0550