From owner-freebsd-security Tue Aug 27 14:21:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CE937B400 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.ichi.net (dragon.ichi.net [209.42.196.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9645A43E81 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-security@ichi.net) Received: from coaster (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.ichi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RL8x517691; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:09:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ju Ichi To: Mark Murray , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Administrivia: Discussion - Making this list subscriber-only Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:20:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <200208271049.g7RAnrl5019226@grimreaper.grondar.org> In-Reply-To: <200208271049.g7RAnrl5019226@grimreaper.grondar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200208271720.20363.freebsd-security@ichi.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 27 August 2002 6:49 am, Mark Murray wrote: > Hello Security list members > > I got an overwhelmingly positive (off-list, thanks!) response to > my complaint that this list's signal-to-noise ratio was terrible. As a newbie here, I'd like to respond after having read all of the responses so far. Hopefully, the flames won't be too bad. I've posted a couple of times recently looking for a solution to what I believe is/was a fairly involved, security-related problem. If by doing so, I contrubuted to the noise on the list, I am truly sorry. Being fairly new to FreeBSD, I was not sure where to go. So, I posted to freebsd-questions first, then to freebsd-net, and finally to freebsd-security. The latter is the only one that I received any answers from. I really appreciate the answers too! They helped my by giving me food for thought and while my problem is not solved, I was able to dig into places I didn't know about owing to my being fairly new to FreeBSD and the IPSec implmentation/utilities not being throughly documented. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the lack of documentation. I understand that most everyone is doing this out of a love of it and with limited time. To cut to the chase, there doesn't seem to be a charter or detailed set of guidlines for this list. Without quoting the handbook completely, it says that a) this is a list for "security issues", and b) it is a "technical mailing list for which strictly technical content is expected." So, even given all the discussion, I am unsure as to whether I added to the noise problem or not. It would be nice if some of the people concerned about off-topic discussions could put together something for the uninformed among us. The bottom line to me, is that aside to the UCE/UBE (aka -spam) problem certain members of this list want everyone to adhere to rules that have not IMHO properly voiced in a formal way or in a permanent location. I'm sure there have been discussions on this topic before, but most people are not going to search the archives of a list looking for rules before posting. If you expect that, I think you will be routinely disappointed and frustrated. Just my newbie $0.02 Ju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message