From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 0:31:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20104.mail.yahoo.com (web20104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84FE537B401 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010910073147.39326.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.227.212.160] by web20104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:31:47 CEST Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:31:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: MailServer+sms server + Fax server To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I've to project a server as in the object of the mail. So the server must be : Mail Server sms server Fax Server. I'm able to make with FreeBSD the Mail Server with Qmail,Vpopmail,CouierImap & Sqwebmail, but for the sms and Fax...don't know what to look for. Are there some software easy to install and manage to realize sms and fax? I've found HylaFax but seems difficult to install... Another thing, in my small project i've to provide costs & suggest some hardware to buy. In my company we use Compaq servers with WindowsNT, so I thought about Compaq or IBM. Can Someone suggests me also if there is some Server ( based on i386) on which I can easy install FreeBSD with support for RAID & easy configurable Cluster for High Availability (Two machines which shares via NFS the same disk array) with LoadBalancing or/and DNS Round Robin? Many thanks for any help. ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 4:25: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.musicman.com (musicman.com [139.171.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B733937B409 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (johng@localhost) by www.musicman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17583 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:25:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from johng@musicman.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:25:00 -0400 (EDT) From: john To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Server Freezup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've got a FreeBSD server running Apache that freezes up from time to time. When this happens it does not recognize any keyboard input and I have to reboot the computer. When I do the reboot it is unable to mount the /usr/home/ file system, which is on da0 drive. Then I have to do fsck da0s1h. When this is done, I can mount /usr/home and do another reboot successfully. My question is, does anyone have any idea why this freezup might be happening? I'd appreciate any assistance. Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 8: 6:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tsunami.acidpit.org (tsunami.acidpit.org [206.190.163.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B1937B407 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rch@localhost) by tsunami.acidpit.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AF6nC46547; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:06:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rch@acidpit.org) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:06:49 -0400 From: Robert Hough To: john Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Freezup Message-ID: <20010910110649.A46424@acidpit.org> Mail-Followup-To: john , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from johng@musicman.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 07:25:00 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 10, 2001, john wrote: > > I've got a FreeBSD server running Apache that freezes up from time to > time. When this happens it does not recognize any keyboard input and I > have to reboot the computer. Sounds to me like a hardware problem. When a machine locks up at irregular intervals, my first thought is heat. What type of CPU do you have, does it have sufficient cooling? Most modern mothers boards have the ability to monitor the temp. inside the case, and cpu temps. You might try graphing those with MRTG, to see if you can establish some type of trend there. Heat can cause extremely weird things to happen... Memory too, can also be a cause of weird happenings. Though, it's been my experience that you'll see more random core dumps than lock ups. > When I do the reboot it is unable to mount the /usr/home/ file system, > which is on da0 drive. Then I have to do fsck da0s1h. When this is done, > I can mount /usr/home and do another reboot successfully. Sounds pretty normal to me. Do you have soft updates enabled on that file system? That might help aleviate some of the fsck'ing though. > My question is, does anyone have any idea why this freezup might be > happening? Without more detailed information, it's really hard to say. However, I would have to say the chances of your problem being hardware related are a good 80%. -- Robert Hough (rch@acidpit.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 13: 1:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F33A37B403 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27825; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:01:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:01:48 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: john Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Freezup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: SaskNow Technologies [www.sasknow.com] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org john wrote to freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG: > Hi, > > I've got a FreeBSD server running Apache that freezes up from time to > time. When this happens it does not recognize any keyboard input and > I have to reboot the computer. It is likely something hardware related... However, if you use a KVM switch (Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch), you may experience keyboard lockups. (Cheap KVMs don't properly simulate a keyboard signal, and the PC keyboard interface doesn't always cope well with "hot plugging"). Can you access the machine remotely? (I.e., does it respond to ping? Can you log in?) Perhaps only the keyboard/console is frozen? If you're lucky, the rest of the computer is operational, and you can log in and reboot remotely, to prevent corruption of your filesystems. Check your logs (like /var/log/messages) after the fact for any interesting information that might have been saved. Also look for common pre-cursors to freezeups (i.e., does it usually occur during compiles, heavy network traffic, etc?) Turn on kernel debugging (there is a good FreeBSD handbook section on this). If the kernel will actually panic, you will get some useful information and a core dump. More general advice would be to check your hardware. Is your power supply output normal? (under load?), are all your cards/chips firmly seated with clean contacts? Are all your fans working properly? Is your CPU being cooled adequately? (Check for thermal paste between the CPU/heatsink--on CPUs that have been installed/running for a long time, the paste will sometimes break down and start to crumble, which is worse than not having it at all. It needs to be re-applied periodically for proper cooling). > When I do the reboot it is unable to mount the /usr/home/ file system, > which is on da0 drive. Then I have to do fsck da0s1h. When this is > done, I can mount /usr/home and do another reboot successfully. That is normal after a crash/hard boot. It becomes more scary on large, busy filesystems that have been mounted for months with hundreds or more unsynced writes at the time of the crash. :-) > My question is, does anyone have any idea why this freezup might be > happening? > > I'd appreciate any assistance. > > Thanks! > > John Hope this helps, - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson Network Administrator, Accounts SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 13:57:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from opensrs.saignon.net (216-120-17-31.dsl.cust.tfb.com [216.120.17.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142837B401 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsaignmobl (u2938@prx2.ipivot.com [216.188.41.2]) by opensrs.saignon.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id f8AKvKb39786; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@saign.com) From: Tony Saign Reply-To: To: "'john'" Cc: Subject: RE: Server Freezup Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:56:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c13a3b$01a3fb90$da0b010a@tsaignmobl> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have 4 systems (2 FreeBSD boxes) connected to a Belkin KVM (piece of s***!), and consoles become inaccessable very frequently! They are both configured to have COM1 serial consoles though, so I can always connect either directly using SecureCRT > COM1, or remotely using SSH. -Tony * -----Original Message----- * From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG * [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Ryan Thompson * Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:02 PM * To: john * Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG * Subject: Re: Server Freezup * * * john wrote to freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG: * * > Hi, * > * > I've got a FreeBSD server running Apache that freezes up * from time to * > time. When this happens it does not recognize any keyboard * input and * > I have to reboot the computer. * * It is likely something hardware related... However, if you use a KVM * switch (Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch), you may experience * keyboard lockups. * (Cheap KVMs don't properly simulate a keyboard signal, and * the PC keyboard * interface doesn't always cope well with "hot plugging"). * * Can you access the machine remotely? (I.e., does it respond * to ping? Can * you log in?) Perhaps only the keyboard/console is frozen? If * you're lucky, * the rest of the computer is operational, and you can log in and reboot * remotely, to prevent corruption of your filesystems. * * Check your logs (like /var/log/messages) after the fact for any * interesting information that might have been saved. Also look * for common * pre-cursors to freezeups (i.e., does it usually occur during compiles, * heavy network traffic, etc?) * * Turn on kernel debugging (there is a good FreeBSD handbook section on * this). If the kernel will actually panic, you will get some useful * information and a core dump. * * More general advice would be to check your hardware. Is your * power supply * output normal? (under load?), are all your cards/chips firmly * seated with * clean contacts? Are all your fans working properly? Is your CPU being * cooled adequately? (Check for thermal paste between the * CPU/heatsink--on * CPUs that have been installed/running for a long time, the paste will * sometimes break down and start to crumble, which is worse * than not having * it at all. It needs to be re-applied periodically for proper cooling). * * * > When I do the reboot it is unable to mount the /usr/home/ * file system, * > which is on da0 drive. Then I have to do fsck da0s1h. When this is * > done, I can mount /usr/home and do another reboot successfully. * * That is normal after a crash/hard boot. It becomes more scary * on large, * busy filesystems that have been mounted for months with * hundreds or more * unsynced writes at the time of the crash. :-) * * * > My question is, does anyone have any idea why this freezup might be * > happening? * > * > I'd appreciate any assistance. * > * > Thanks! * > * > John * * * Hope this helps, * - Ryan * * * -- * Ryan Thompson * Network Administrator, Accounts * * SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com * #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 * * Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon * Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America * * * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org * with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 15: 6:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D3D37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA43160; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:06:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wayne) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:06:36 -0400 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: Tony Saign Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Freezup Message-ID: <20010910180636.E44516@staff.msen.com> References: <000001c13a3b$01a3fb90$da0b010a@tsaignmobl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000001c13a3b$01a3fb90$da0b010a@tsaignmobl>; from tony@saign.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 01:56:03PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 01:56:03PM -0700, Tony Saign wrote: > I have 4 systems (2 FreeBSD boxes) connected to a Belkin KVM (piece of s***!), > and consoles become inaccessable very frequently! > They are both configured to have COM1 serial consoles though, so I can always > connect either directly using SecureCRT > COM1, or remotely using SSH. Had the same problem with Belkin F1D108-OSD boxes. Call them - they have lifetime warranty. Explain the problem, they should ship you new boxes to replace the old ones. We're very pleased with the current rev of h/w (about 3 months old). All the glithces with booting w/o the console selected and other hangs are gone. /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 15:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D9237B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19309; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:36:57 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: "Michael R. Wayne" Cc: Tony Saign , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Freezup In-Reply-To: <20010910180636.E44516@staff.msen.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I will attest to this that I had noting but problems with one of these and got a replacement from belkin recently and it solved the problem... On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Michael R. Wayne wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:06:36 -0400 > From: Michael R. Wayne > To: Tony Saign > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Server Freezup > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 01:56:03PM -0700, Tony Saign wrote: > > I have 4 systems (2 FreeBSD boxes) connected to a Belkin KVM (piece of s***!), > > and consoles become inaccessable very frequently! > > They are both configured to have COM1 serial consoles though, so I can always > > connect either directly using SecureCRT > COM1, or remotely using SSH. > > Had the same problem with Belkin F1D108-OSD boxes. Call them - > they have lifetime warranty. Explain the problem, they should ship > you new boxes to replace the old ones. > > We're very pleased with the current rev of h/w (about 3 months > old). All the glithces with booting w/o the console selected and > other hangs are gone. > > /\/\ \/\/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 15:43:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from opensrs.saignon.net (216-120-17-31.dsl.cust.tfb.com [216.120.17.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A6837B401 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsaignmobl (u2938@prx2.ipivot.com [216.188.41.2]) by opensrs.saignon.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id f8AMhQb40006; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@saign.com) From: Tony Saign Reply-To: To: "'Michael R. Wayne'" Cc: Subject: RE: Server Freezup Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:42:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c13a49$d494f500$da0b010a@tsaignmobl> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010910180636.E44516@staff.msen.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org They did (ship me a new one), and it does the same thing. I just don't depend on the belkin too much. All the systems have remote administration capabilities of some sort, so it's just a nuisance more than anything else. We have 90+ Belkins here @ my work and they are all flaky. I've been working with Belkin, but so far all the ones they have sent me to test haven't resolved the issues. -Tony * -----Original Message----- * From: Michael R. Wayne [mailto:wayne@staff.msen.com] * Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:07 PM * To: Tony Saign * Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG * Subject: Re: Server Freezup * * * On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 01:56:03PM -0700, Tony Saign wrote: * > I have 4 systems (2 FreeBSD boxes) connected to a Belkin * KVM (piece of s***!), * > and consoles become inaccessable very frequently! * > They are both configured to have COM1 serial consoles * though, so I can always * > connect either directly using SecureCRT > COM1, or remotely * using SSH. * * Had the same problem with Belkin F1D108-OSD boxes. Call them - * they have lifetime warranty. Explain the problem, they should ship * you new boxes to replace the old ones. * * We're very pleased with the current rev of h/w (about 3 months * old). All the glithces with booting w/o the console selected and * other hangs are gone. * * /\/\ \/\/ * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 17:29:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roo.lm.net.au (roo.lm.net.au [203.22.27.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94A937B407 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natman.bosinternal (bos.lm.net.au [203.22.27.90]) by roo.lm.net.au (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id f8B0WfZ97611; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:02:42 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from nathan@bridgeonline.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nathan Johncock Reply-To: nathan@bridgeonline.com.au To: Fabrizio Ravazzini Subject: Re: MailServer+sms server + Fax server Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:59:08 +0930 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010910073147.39326.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010910073147.39326.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0109110959080C.00291@natman.bosinternal> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you have a nokia phone with a data kit you can use "gnokii" to send sms's. You'll probably have to write you own scripts to link sms <-> email or whatever you had in mind. Gnokii can be install straight from the ports collection :) On Monday 10 September 2001 17:01, you wrote: > Hello all, I've to project a server as in the object > of the mail. > So the server must be : > Mail Server > sms server > Fax Server. > > I'm able to make with FreeBSD the Mail Server with > Qmail,Vpopmail,CouierImap & Sqwebmail, but for the sms > and Fax...don't know what to look for. > Are there some software easy to install and manage to > realize sms and fax? > I've found HylaFax but seems difficult to install... > Another thing, in my small project i've to provide > costs & suggest some hardware to buy. > In my company we use Compaq servers with WindowsNT, so > I thought about Compaq or IBM. > Can Someone suggests me also if there is some Server ( > based on i386) on which I can easy install FreeBSD > with support for RAID & easy configurable Cluster for > High Availability (Two machines which shares via NFS > the same disk array) with LoadBalancing or/and DNS > Round Robin? > Many thanks for any help. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 21:59: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.atbd.com (mail.atbd.com [206.190.141.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F308837B405 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16855 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2001 04:58:47 -0000 Received: from h-64-105-215-115.lnoclli.covad.net (HELO trout) (64.105.215.115) by ftp.hei.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2001 04:58:47 -0000 From: "John A. Hengstler" To: Subject: FP 2002 + SSL Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C13A43.E521C520" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C13A43.E521C520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I have seen some requests on lists in the past about the 2002 extensions plus SSL as a port or at least a script. I have built the following instructions plus adjustments to Makefile/distinfo/patch for the apache13-modssl port. Some of this stuff was taken out of the apache13-fp port maintained by Scot Hetzel. IF I STEPPED ON SOME TOES, I APOLOGIZE, except I need the new extensions to work NOW..... I don't profess that I know a lot about FrontPage, I just believe I got the module to work... Please feel free to try it out and see if I missed something somewhere. I have it working on a development server, but need some feedback if I missed something before I put it into production on REAL servers.. That is it.....Good luck...Let me know how it goes. John Hengstler HEI Communications =================================== This adjustment is based on the apache13-fp port (which was for the older extensions). This will download the extensions file (fp50.bsdi.tar.Z) extract it (if necessary), etc as well as logo. The new Makefile will build and install the FrontPage module as well as ssl. The patch is supplied from Microsoft, with 4 lines of adjusted code for FBSD. MD5 (mod-ssl-fp.tar.gz) = fcca10e3403a9e9296a80d6fcc672553 My suggested steps. And they do work with several successful builds and adjustments 1. In order to get the correct logo for this port. rm /usr/ports/distfiles/fplogo.gif (NOT REQUIRED) 2. UPDATE PORTS SOURCE TREE........MOST IMPORTANT!!! 3. cd /usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl 4. tar xzf /path/to/this/attachement/mod-ssl-fp.tar.gz 7. cp Makefile.fp Makefile 8. cp distinfo.fp distinfo 9. make 10. make certificate TYPE=test 11. make install 12. Edit /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf for your appropriate settings. The default config file works however, the "AllowOveride None" needs to be changed to "AllowOveride All" for FrontPage to work properly. 13. fp_install.sh in the /usr/local/fronpage/version5.0 directly will walk you through installing the individual root and subweb extensions. If you run this, ignore the option that says the httpd file will be replaced with a stock one (let it overwrite it), it has been replaced. 14. Start the server using the script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d 15. 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Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 10 23: 4:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wintermute.at.org (wintermute.at.org [64.69.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D9437B405 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from barney.intergate.ca (bambam [216.232.225.42]) by wintermute.at.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AN8tv16327 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:08:56 GMT Received: from FRED (fred [192.168.2.1]) by barney.intergate.ca (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8B5wHu19059; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:58:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:57:54 -0700 From: Sean Ellis X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Reply-To: Sean Ellis Organization: yes X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11588836416.20010910225754@telus.net> To: "John A. Hengstler" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FP 2002 + SSL In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello John, Monday, September 10, 2001, 9:59:42 PM, you wrote: > Greetings, > I have seen some requests on lists in the past about the 2002 extensions > plus SSL as a port or at least a script. > I have built the following instructions plus adjustments to > Makefile/distinfo/patch for the apache13-modssl port. I was looking for something like this last week, and wound up following the steps explained at this url: http://freebsd.lanfear.com/howtos/frontpage.html I came across mention of another apache+modssl+php (?) implementation but couldn't find it. If what I put together with the steps above doesn't bear out I will be examining this attachment of yours, thanks, > Some of this stuff was taken out of the apache13-fp port maintained by Scot > Hetzel. > Please feel free to try it out and see if I missed something somewhere. I > have it working on a development server, but need some feedback if I missed > something before I put it into production on REAL servers.. > That is it.....Good luck...Let me know how it goes. > John Hengstler > HEI Communications -- Best regards, Sean mailto:sellis@telus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 11 2: 7:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ginnungagap.sweet-sorrow.com (ginnungagap.sweet-sorrow.com [193.189.161.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE9437B409 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Drakkar (drakkar.siol.net [193.189.161.84]) by ginnungagap.sweet-sorrow.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EF518C8A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:03:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <200109111112350010.05E27BA0@193.189.161.251> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:12:35 +0200 From: "einherjer" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ports refresh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One very basic question (and I know this isn't the right maillist) -= forgive me. I would like to rebuild things I installed from ports from updated ports. Example I have libaudiofile-0.2.1_1 installed with avifile gnomeprint ....= requiering it to work Yet in the new ports there is libaudiofile-0.2.2 that I just installed and= now I have to have all the old packages requiering the old version unless= I rebuild them from the new ports... Is there an easyer way than manualy going from port to port. (I am sure= I'll miss something) Thank You all ---------------------------------------- Aljosa Us, network manager SiOL, d.o.o. www.siol.net Cigaletova 15, SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia tel. : +386-1-473-00-00, fax : +386-1-473-00-17 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 11 5:25:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (hawk-systems.com [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EF237B406 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WS1 (ws1.nexusinternetsolutions.net [204.50.158.15]) by hawk-systems.com (8.11.6) id f8BCPUo98460 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:25:30 -0600 (MDT) From: dave@hawk-systems.com (Dave) To: Subject: RE: Server Freezup Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:23:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c13a49$d494f500$da0b010a@tsaignmobl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We recently replaced some belkins with iogear miniviews... havn't had a problem, though we are only switching 2-4 PC's per KVM switch. Don't think they sell anything more than 4, and have only had the three of them for 3-4 months so... :) Dave >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tony Saign >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:42 PM >To: 'Michael R. Wayne' >Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Server Freezup > > >They did (ship me a new one), and it does the same thing. I just don't >depend on >the belkin too much. >All the systems have remote administration capabilities of some sort, so it's >just a nuisance more than anything else. > >We have 90+ Belkins here @ my work and they are all flaky. I've been working >with Belkin, but so far all the ones they >have sent me to test haven't resolved the issues. > >-Tony > >* -----Original Message----- >* From: Michael R. Wayne [mailto:wayne@staff.msen.com] >* Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:07 PM >* To: Tony Saign >* Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >* Subject: Re: Server Freezup >* >* >* On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 01:56:03PM -0700, Tony Saign wrote: >* > I have 4 systems (2 FreeBSD boxes) connected to a Belkin >* KVM (piece of s***!), >* > and consoles become inaccessable very frequently! >* > They are both configured to have COM1 serial consoles >* though, so I can always >* > connect either directly using SecureCRT > COM1, or remotely >* using SSH. >* >* Had the same problem with Belkin F1D108-OSD boxes. Call them - >* they have lifetime warranty. Explain the problem, they should ship >* you new boxes to replace the old ones. >* >* We're very pleased with the current rev of h/w (about 3 months >* old). All the glithces with booting w/o the console selected and >* other hangs are gone. >* >* /\/\ \/\/ >* > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 11 6:14:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Post.com2com.ru (Post.com2com.ru [195.98.162.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579EB37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VIGOV (ws215.com2com.ru [195.98.160.215]) by Post.com2com.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA97890; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:18:41 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:14:49 +0400 From: Eugene Vigovskiy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Eugene Vigovskiy Organization: 2COM X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <183367723.20010911171449@com2com.ru> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: ru-freebsd-questions@freebsd.ru ((FreeBSD related questions)) Subject: route reflection in GateD public 3.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does "GateD 3.6 public" have route reflection facility? If it does, tell me please how. IMHO only commercial version can do it. I hope i'm wrong :) Eugene Vigovskiy Leading expert of Network dept. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 11 7: 9:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.ms-agentur.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575B037B403 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.ms-agentur.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id QAA04566; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:18:17 +0200 Message-ID: <3B9E1B01.6010702@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:09:05 +0200 From: Christoph Sold User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:0.9.3+) Gecko/20010905 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: einherjer Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports refresh References: <200109111112350010.05E27BA0@193.189.161.251> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org einherjer wrote: >One very basic question (and I know this isn't the right maillist) - forgive me. > >I would like to rebuild things I installed from ports from updated ports. > >Example >I have libaudiofile-0.2.1_1 installed with avifile gnomeprint .... requiering it to work >Yet in the new ports there is libaudiofile-0.2.2 that I just installed and now I have to have all the old packages requiering the old version unless I rebuild them from the new ports... > >Is there an easyer way than manualy going from port to port. (I am sure I'll miss something) > Have a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 9:39:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (mail.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E8A37B403 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15hD2O-0001jV-00; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:38:56 +0300 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:38:56 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: Fabrizio Ravazzini Cc: FBSD-ISP Subject: Re: MailServer+sms server + Fax server Message-ID: <20010912193856.T41536@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , Fabrizio Ravazzini , FBSD-ISP References: <20010910073147.39326.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="poJSiGMzRSvrLGLs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010910073147.39326.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC i386 X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 7:36PM up 7 days, 3:31, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.09, 0.08 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --poJSiGMzRSvrLGLs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Fabrizio Ravazzini [20010910 10:31]: writing on the = subject 'MailServer+sms server + Fax server' | Hello all, I've to project a server as in the object | of the mail. | So the server must be : | Mail Server | sms server | Fax Server. |=20 | I'm able to make with FreeBSD the Mail Server with | Qmail,Vpopmail,CouierImap & Sqwebmail, but for the sms | and Fax...don't know what to look for. | Are there some software easy to install and manage to | realize sms and fax? | I've found HylaFax but seems difficult to install... I can help you with HylaFAX to a good extent. Please give me a shout. With SMS, you have to assist me. I also need it. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington Wananchi Online Ltd., wash@wananchi.com 1st Flr Loita Hse. Tel: 254 2 313985 Loita Street., Fax: 254 2 313922 PO Box 10286,00100-NAIROBI,KE. If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.= =20 -John Kenneth Galbraith=20 (contributed by Chris Johnston)=20 --poJSiGMzRSvrLGLs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7n4+gn7LIsuxjem8RAkXiAJ4tHd98ABUyZS/6ZkU8+bEwQynRxwCgjDn9 OJpkKOPbR7tCJK9VmDPn3go= =3Kkj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --poJSiGMzRSvrLGLs-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 13:40:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE80837B407 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 44221 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2001 20:40:02 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2001 20:40:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c13bcb$2639da10$0d00a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" Cc: , Subject: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:40:24 -0400 Organization: NexGen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi i noticed some people are trying to use some files from /sbin and /usr/local/sbin to retrive some info.. i was wondering if i'll do chmod o-rwx /sbin/* /usr/local/sbin/* Will it do any damages? or i simply can't do this? thank you To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 14:28: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-6.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AB437B40A; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AEE5966D0A; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:27:52 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: alexus Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin Message-ID: <20010912142752.A26055@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <000b01c13bcb$2639da10$0d00a8c0@alexus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000b01c13bcb$2639da10$0d00a8c0@alexus>; from ml@db.nexgen.com on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:40:24PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:40:24PM -0400, alexus wrote: > hi >=20 > i noticed some people are trying to use some files from /sbin and > /usr/local/sbin to retrive some info.. How is this a problem? > i was wondering if i'll do >=20 > chmod o-rwx /sbin/* /usr/local/sbin/* >=20 > Will it do any damages? or i simply can't do this? You can do it, but if your system relies on non-root users executing these commands, bits will obviously fail. I think you're probably overreacting, though. Kris --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7n9NXWry0BWjoQKURAiCEAJ4yfDxWdIqAzsNUqs8mV0uTcGrt8wCg/j3J RqHXkS/7AOf/rvKrhN7SQUY= =yRQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 19:18:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.morning.ru (ns.morning.ru [195.161.98.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA08537B403 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NDNM ([195.161.98.250]) by ns.morning.ru (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8D2I3d91418; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:18:04 +0800 (KRAST) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:18:35 +0800 From: Igor Podlesny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Morning Network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <193136519454.20010913101835@morning.ru> To: "Dave" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: assign more than 1 ip address to otherwise standard jail environment In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > have a standard jail environment working perfectly as per the routing setup > detailed in man pages... am looking to assign more than 1 ip address to this > jail... > possible? currently -- no BTW, what for do you need the second IP-address? > if so, any sample rc.conf and rc.local settings? > thanks > Dave > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Igor mailto:poige@morning.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 20: 8:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from postal.admin.gil.com.au (postal.admin.gil.com.au [202.47.47.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A72337B40D for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:08:12 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FreeBSD PXE Unattendend installs X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:07:58 +1000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD PXE Unattendend installs Thread-Index: AcE79xbbFUN/i5V4SPOYCS8NSCIRIgACh73A From: "Glen Hollings" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello BSDers, Im hoping that one of us(or more) has been done this kind of thing = before, Im trying to setup a FreeBSD unattended install, Im very very close to = being able to do this except for one thing. The install.cfg file that scripts the actual install of FreeBSD itself (Scripts sysinstall I think) is where im stuck. For the life of me I cant seem to find any options that will stop the = IPV6 and Ports dialog coming up, hence making the install interactive again = :( So i guess what im asking is "Does anyone know these two options?" Any help would be greatly appeciated Heres my install.cfg nonInteractive=3DYES noWarn=3DYES debug=3DYES ################################ # My host specific data hostname=3Dskank domainname=3Dgil.com.au setYesToAll=3DYES tryDHCP=3Dyes ################################ ################################ nfs=3D192.168.0.1:/usr/local/iso netDev=3Dfxp0 tryDHCP=3DYES mediaSetNFS ################################ ################################ # Select which distributions we want. distSetDeveloper ################################ ################################ disk=3Dtwed0 partition=3Dexclusive bootManager=3Dbooteasy diskPartitionEditor ################################ ################################ # All sizes are expressed in 512 byte blocks! twed0s1-1=3Dufs 512000 / twed0s1-2=3Dswap 1024000 none twed0s1-3=3Dufs 8388608 /var twed0s1-4=3Dufs 8388608 /usr twed0s1-5=3Dufs 41943040 /usr/local diskLabelEditor # OK, everything is set. Do it! installCommit #Restart time shutdown Thanks ********************************************** *Glen Hollings | There Cant Be * *Network Administrator | a Crisis Today,* *Global Info Links | my schedule is * *ghollings@admin.gil.com.au | already full. * ********************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 21:26:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.ph.inter.net (team.ph.inter.net [203.176.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97A137B415; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portalone (unknown [192.168.88.228]) by gatekeeper.ph.inter.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6908343D44; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:26:04 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <009601c13c0c$90714120$e458a8c0@ph.inter.net> From: "louie miranda" To: "alexus" , , References: <000b01c13bcb$2639da10$0d00a8c0@alexus> Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:28:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At first : luwi@freebsd /> ls -la /sbin /usr/local/sbin its shows all the files on the dir.. now try luwi@freebsd /> chmod o-r /usr/sbin/ /sbin/ They can still access the file/program in the /sbin/ usr/sbin/ directory but when they do "ls -l" on it, > Access Denied! :) man chmod :) louie miranda (axishift.ath.cx) ------------------------------------------ Security Is A Series Of Well-Defined Steps chmod -R 0 / ; and smile :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "alexus" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin > hi > > i noticed some people are trying to use some files from /sbin and > /usr/local/sbin to retrive some info.. > > i was wondering if i'll do > > chmod o-rwx /sbin/* /usr/local/sbin/* > > Will it do any damages? or i simply can't do this? > > thank you > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 21:45:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7290637B40C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 49032 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 04:45:18 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 04:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c13c0e$fa086f30$0100a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" To: "louie miranda" , , References: <000b01c13bcb$2639da10$0d00a8c0@alexus> <009601c13c0c$90714120$e458a8c0@ph.inter.net> Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:45:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org people usually don't look for directory where files are.. they just run them... ----- Original Message ----- From: "louie miranda" To: "alexus" ; ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:28 AM Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin > > At first : > > luwi@freebsd /> ls -la /sbin /usr/local/sbin > > its shows all the files on the dir.. > > > now try > > luwi@freebsd /> chmod o-r /usr/sbin/ /sbin/ > > They can still access the file/program in the /sbin/ usr/sbin/ directory > > but when they do "ls -l" on it, > Access Denied! :) > > man chmod > > > :) > > > > > > louie miranda (axishift.ath.cx) > ------------------------------------------ > Security Is A Series Of Well-Defined Steps > > chmod -R 0 / ; and smile :) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alexus" > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:40 AM > Subject: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin > > > > hi > > > > i noticed some people are trying to use some files from /sbin and > > /usr/local/sbin to retrive some info.. > > > > i was wondering if i'll do > > > > chmod o-rwx /sbin/* /usr/local/sbin/* > > > > Will it do any damages? or i simply can't do this? > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 22:11:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heaven.gigo.com (gigo.com [207.173.11.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CB037B411 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.gigo.com [127.0.0.1]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0609B845; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Fesler To: Glen Hollings Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD PXE Unattendend installs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010912220211.V66718-100000@heaven.gigo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The install.cfg file that scripts the actual install of FreeBSD itself > (Scripts sysinstall I think) is where im stuck. > > For the life of me I cant seem to find any options that will stop the IPV6 > and Ports dialog coming up, hence making the install interactive again :( Try setting tryRTSOL=HELLNO . This fixed it for me in 4.3-R. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28444 Yeah, that was fun to find. Really. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 12 22:14:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.ph.inter.net (team.ph.inter.net [203.176.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE99D37B413; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portalone (unknown [192.168.88.228]) by gatekeeper.ph.inter.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DF1743D44; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:14:39 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <014e01c13c13$59fd4420$e458a8c0@ph.inter.net> From: "louie miranda" To: "alexus" , , References: <000b01c13bcb$2639da10$0d00a8c0@alexus> <009601c13c0c$90714120$e458a8c0@ph.inter.net> <000901c13c0e$fa086f30$0100a8c0@alexus> Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:17:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org then chmod 0 /sbin/* the files ;) hehe. louie miranda (axishift.ath.cx) ------------------------------------------ Security Is A Series Of Well-Defined Steps chmod -R 0 / ; and smile :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "alexus" To: "louie miranda" ; ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin > people usually don't look for directory where files are.. they just run > them... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "louie miranda" > To: "alexus" ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:28 AM > Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin > > > > > > At first : > > > > luwi@freebsd /> ls -la /sbin /usr/local/sbin > > > > its shows all the files on the dir.. > > > > > > now try > > > > luwi@freebsd /> chmod o-r /usr/sbin/ /sbin/ > > > > They can still access the file/program in the /sbin/ usr/sbin/ directory > > > > but when they do "ls -l" on it, > Access Denied! :) > > > > man chmod > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > louie miranda (axishift.ath.cx) > > ------------------------------------------ > > Security Is A Series Of Well-Defined Steps > > > > chmod -R 0 / ; and smile :) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "alexus" > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:40 AM > > Subject: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin > > > > > > > hi > > > > > > i noticed some people are trying to use some files from /sbin and > > > /usr/local/sbin to retrive some info.. > > > > > > i was wondering if i'll do > > > > > > chmod o-rwx /sbin/* /usr/local/sbin/* > > > > > > Will it do any damages? or i simply can't do this? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 13 8:39:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cithaeron.argolis.org (bgm-24-169-175-136.stny.rr.com [24.169.175.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2C37B421; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (piechota@localhost) by cithaeron.argolis.org (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8DFbps33983; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:37:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from piechota@argolis.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cithaeron.argolis.org: piechota owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:37:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Piechota To: Kris Kennaway Cc: alexus , , Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin In-Reply-To: <20010912142752.A26055@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20010913113439.G33971-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > You can do it, but if your system relies on non-root users executing > these commands, bits will obviously fail. I think you're probably > overreacting, though. Plus, you're going to have to clamp down on compiling and such. Some one could go find the source for whatever command and compile up their own copy. Of course they could compile their own binary somewhere else and transfer it over as well. You could make it harder for them, but you're not going to be able to stop them from running the commands in question. -- Matt Piechota Finger piechota@emailempire.com for PGP key AOL IM: cithaeron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 13 11:36: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pitr.tuxinternet.com (pitr.tuxinternet.com [208.32.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3702737B40D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hugme@localhost) by pitr.tuxinternet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f8DEg0P58761 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:42:00 GMT (envelope-from hugme) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:42:00 +0000 From: Hug Me To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: simple command Message-ID: <20010913144200.A58612@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org in the wake of current events I came up with a usefull command: find / -name bin/laden -exec cat /dev/null {} ";" -- ************************************************* hugme hugme@hugme.org http://www.hugme.org http://www.atlantacon.org PGP Public key: http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 13 20:23:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tsunami.acidpit.org (tsunami.acidpit.org [206.190.163.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E4937B416 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rch@localhost) by tsunami.acidpit.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8E3NJ763300 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:23:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rch@acidpit.org) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:23:19 -0400 From: Robert Hough To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: protecting /sbin and /usr/local/sbin Message-ID: <20010913232319.B62967@acidpit.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010912142752.A26055@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010913113439.G33971-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010913113439.G33971-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org>; from piechota@argolis.org on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:37:51 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 13, 2001, Matt Piechota wrote: > You could make it harder for them, but you're not going to be able to > stop them from running the commands in question. Sure you can, it's rather simple. :) # chsh -s /sbin/nologin -- Robert Hough (rch@acidpit.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 3: 1: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.rccn.net (atlas.rccn.net [193.136.7.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC2A637B40E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 87073 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 10:01:00 -0000 Received: (ofmipd unknown); 14 Sep 2001 10:00:38 -0000 Date: 14 Sep 2001 11:01:16 +0100 Message-ID: <076401c13d04$31dfab30$dc0788c1@jpsp2> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Pagaime?=" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: SSH2 dies when idle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, My idle SSH sessions sometimes die out, when connected to some servers reachable through a not-so-good network channel (1% packet loss and big jitter) I wouldn't like to totally desconfigure TCP Keep alives on those SSH sessions, but would like to decrease it's sensibly. Has anybody had the same problem and come up with a solution? Thanks, Joao PS: SSH version is 2.0.13 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 6:39:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rhavenn.net (smaug.rhavenn.net [209.150.195.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E43737B403 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gandalf ([209.150.195.51]) by rhavenn.net ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:56:42 -3736532 From: "Henrik Hudson" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:52:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DMAIL? Reply-To: rhavenn@rhavenn.net Message-ID: <3BA1C543.29529.133F7101@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Morning List- I have been looking into DMail and have only found some very old comments on it in the archives. Does anyone have experience with it? Good/bad? I'd like to hear it. Thanks! Henrik ------ Henrik Hudson rhavenn@rhavenn.net --Microsoft: "Where would you like to go to today?" --Linux: "Where would you like to go tomorrow?" --FreeBSD: "Hey, when are you guys going to catch up?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 7:23:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from third-rail.net (web1.third-rail.net [63.175.99.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A65BA37B408 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:21:34 -0700 (PDT) To: From: Subject:Web Server clustering Message-Id: <20010914142134.A65BA37B408@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi - We have a cluster of Apache web servers which are "balanced" using round-robin DNS. Only one of the systems has user ftp access, and periodically an rsync script is used to make sure that content is replicated to the other systems. Because of the way the script is currently written, the log files are overwritten. In other words, users looking at their access logs see hits on the "primary" server - not a concatenation of all the logs from all servers in the cluster. I could copy all of the logs to the primary server, and concatinate them together before each sync. of the cluster, and then not copy that directory to the other servers..... Has anyone dealt with this issue? Is anyone clustering in this fashion (i.e.; cheaply) :) ? I'd appreciate any information / discussion on how people have clustered their web servers, and dealt with log / content replication issues. Thanks, Brian -- brian.jackson@third-rail.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 8: 7: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099EA37B407 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chat.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:07:14 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F8C7@chat.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Load balancing Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:07:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'd like to balance the load of our proxy/cache server farm. Any tried and tested implementation on FreeBSD? --- francis vidal [bitstop network services] streaming media + web services v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 8:16:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B4537B40E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rix.estpak.ee [194.126.115.45]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6976239B0C9; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:16:46 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:18:38 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <20010914.171838.41645837.rix@estpak.ee> To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Load balancing From: rivo nurges In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F8C7@chat.dagupan.com> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F8C7@chat.dagupan.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.0.54 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: francisv@dagupan.com Subject: Load balancing Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:07:13 +0800 > Hi, > > I'd like to balance the load of our proxy/cache server farm. Any tried and > tested implementation on FreeBSD? not related to freebsd but we are using RadWare Cache Director (separate box) -- rix http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/whois?rix@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 20:29:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-srv.alltel.net (mta01.alltel.net [166.102.165.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF0837B413 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org ([166.102.201.28]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20010915032924.FHCO28620.mta01-srv.alltel.net@laptop.lambertfam.org> for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:29:24 -0500 Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 630D528B54; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:03:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:03:34 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Server clustering Message-ID: <20010914180334.A8148@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20010914142134.A65BA37B408@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010914142134.A65BA37B408@hub.freebsd.org>; from brian.jackson@third-rail.net on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:21:34AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:21:34AM -0700, brian.jackson@third-rail.net wrote: > Hi - > > We have a cluster of Apache web servers which are "balanced" using > round-robin DNS. > > I could copy all of the logs to the primary server, and concatinate > them together before each sync. of the cluster, and then not copy that > directory to the other servers..... > > I'd appreciate any information / discussion on how people have > clustered their web servers, and dealt with log / content replication > issues. The first thing that jumps to my mind would be to set the secondary servers to log to the syslog daemon on your primary server. You may perhaps even want a central syslog server that does nothing else. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin -- Looking for work. lambert@lambertfam.org http://www.lambertfam.org/~lambert/resume.html 2.5 years Sr. SysAdmin experience with FreeBSD in small & medium size ISPs. The last 5 months have included exposure to Solaris 7, True64 5, and Linux. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 14 23:41:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from orange.national.com.au (orange.national.com.au [203.57.240.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0391237B406 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by orange.national.com.au (Postfix, from userid 5) id 23F2D4E68A; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:41:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from peppermint.national.com.au(10.25.154.32) by orange.national.com.au via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAAR5aGqE; Sat, 15 Sep 01 16:41:52 +1000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by peppermint.national.com.au (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA24508; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:41:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from UNKNOWN(164.53.27.38), claiming to be "webjump.national.com.au" via SMTP by peppermint, id smtpdAAA35aq3V; Sat Sep 15 16:41:48 2001 Received: (from nconedd@localhost) by webjump.national.com.au (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id f8F6ffg13236; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:41:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:41:41 +1000 From: Enno Davids To: Scott Lambert Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Server clustering Message-ID: <20010915164140.C28433@webjump.national.com.au> Reply-To: enno.davids@metva.com.au References: <20010914142134.A65BA37B408@hub.freebsd.org> <20010914180334.A8148@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010914180334.A8148@laptop.lambertfam.org>; from lambert@lambertfam.org on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:03:34PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:03:34PM -0500, Scott Lambert wrote: |On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:21:34AM -0700, brian.jackson@third-rail.net wrote: |> Hi - |> |> We have a cluster of Apache web servers which are "balanced" using |> round-robin DNS. |> | | | |> I could copy all of the logs to the primary server, and concatinate |> them together before each sync. of the cluster, and then not copy that |> directory to the other servers..... | |The first thing that jumps to my mind would be to set the secondary servers |to log to the syslog daemon on your primary server. I'm guessing we're talking Apache logs here rather than syslog logs. There is a module for Apache called mod_spread I think which claims to be able to do logging across a farm of servers to a central log repository. When last I looked the licensing on its underlying transport prevented me from using it though. Here, we've taken the KISS approach. Content is uploaded to a master content server (which isn't in the prod server pool) and the users log into a PHP page where they do a PUSH operation to each of the prod servers at once using rsync. Each server's logs are kept in a separate filesystem anyway (Apache has no write permission in the content trees, only rsync does) and are amalgamated in a separate process shortly after the log rotation happens in the wee small hours. We use a custom log format with %{%Y%m%d%H%M%S}t at the front of it, which gives us a field sort(1) can use to sort the entries, then its piped through cut to remove the field, logresolve to change the IP addresses back to names and finally a custom program to split out separate files for each days worth of logging. If your logs are small, you can actually use grep in the pipe of commands to extract the relevant days worth of output back before you strip the extra field (which must be done as logresolve expects the first field to be the IP address not the custom date/time field). I'd be interested to hear other approaches though as our log files are now getting quite big (> 1Gb on a busy day now) and juggling all that data can be hard... Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 1: 1:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2626137B414 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010915080113.985.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.11.57.173] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:01:13 CEST Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:01:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all,I'm doing a Mail server using two machines which shares the same disk array via NFS where there are the users maildirs (Q-mail,vchkpw,courier-Imap,sqwebmail). I want to make this cluster using DNS-RoundRobin. Reading the book DNS&BIND (O'Reilly) page 274, if I insert two A-Records with two CNAME I can make the round Robin, but this for ftp,http or whatever server,but I think NOT Mail Servers. Reading at the beginning of the book,instead, in the MX record section I understood that multiples CNAME for Mail servers are invalid, so I can only put two MX-record for two machines serving the same domain, but in this way only the first of the two MX serves the requests and when it goes down the other takes care of the service. So,the question is, can I still have load distribution with a mail server? Suppose that the service domain is mail.com, so you can send mail for example to john@mail.com and the two machine of the cluster are: one.mail.com ( Ip: A.B.C.D ) two.mail.com ( Ip: X.Y.Z.K ) Can I insert in DNS this following records?: one.mail.com 60 IN A A.B.C.D two.mail.com 60 IN A X.Y.Z.K mail.com 60 IN CNAME one.mail.com mail.com 60 IN CNAME two.mail.com or have I to insert these?: one.mail.com 60 IN A A.B.C.D two.mail.com 60 IN A X.Y.Z.K mail.com IN MX one.mail.com mail.com IN MX two.mail.com In the second case I don't have any Load Distribution, all the traffic goes to the "one.mail.com" till it goes down and that's not what I want. Can someone help mein this dilemma? or tell me how to do this type of load distribution? Many thanks ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 1: 8:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F6037B417 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brian (cx175057-b.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.147]) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id f8F875W00749 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Message-ID: <00be01c13dbd$86a5a340$3324200a@sonicboom.org> From: "Brian" To: References: <20010915080113.985.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:06:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org u can do multiple serfvers with the same mx preference, to achieve some distribution that way. Last I checked, using a cname for an mx record was a big nono, causing rfc memorizing internet purists all around to convulse madly.. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabrizio Ravazzini" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution > Hello all,I'm doing a Mail server using two machines > which shares the same disk array via NFS > where there are the users maildirs > (Q-mail,vchkpw,courier-Imap,sqwebmail). > I want to make this cluster using DNS-RoundRobin. > Reading the book DNS&BIND (O'Reilly) page 274, if I > insert two A-Records with two CNAME I can make > the round Robin, but this for ftp,http or whatever > server,but I think NOT Mail Servers. > Reading at the beginning of the book,instead, in the > MX record section I understood that multiples > CNAME for Mail servers are invalid, so I can only put > two MX-record for two machines serving the same > domain, but in this way only the first of the two MX > serves the requests and when it goes > down the other takes care of the service. > So,the question is, can I still have load distribution > with a mail server? > Suppose that the service domain is mail.com, so you > can send mail for example to john@mail.com > and the two machine of the cluster are: > one.mail.com ( Ip: A.B.C.D ) > two.mail.com ( Ip: X.Y.Z.K ) > > Can I insert in DNS this following records?: > one.mail.com 60 IN A A.B.C.D > two.mail.com 60 IN A X.Y.Z.K > > mail.com 60 IN CNAME one.mail.com > mail.com 60 IN CNAME two.mail.com > > or have I to insert these?: > one.mail.com 60 IN A A.B.C.D > two.mail.com 60 IN A X.Y.Z.K > > mail.com IN MX one.mail.com > mail.com IN MX two.mail.com > > In the second case I don't have any Load Distribution, > all the traffic goes to the "one.mail.com" > till it goes down and that's not what I want. > Can someone help mein this dilemma? > or tell me how to do this type of load distribution? > Many thanks > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 5:57:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.plug.cx (kypo.alfred.cx [150.101.93.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D6D37B40B for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.plug.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CBB42B8B7; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:28:45 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:28:44 +0930 From: Andrew Reid To: Fabrizio Ravazzini Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution Message-ID: <20010915222844.A6415@plug.cx> References: <20010915080113.985.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010915080113.985.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com>; from freefabri@yahoo.it on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:01:13AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:01:13AM +0200, Fabrizio Ravazzini wrote: > I want to make this cluster using DNS-RoundRobin. > Reading the book DNS&BIND (O'Reilly) page 274, if I > insert two A-Records with two CNAME I can make > the round Robin, but this for ftp,http or whatever > server,but I think NOT Mail Servers. Hrm, your interpretation seems a little weird. Basically, you'd do something like this to achieve "load balancing" through DNS: domain.com. IN MX 10 mail mail IN A 1.2.3.4 mail IN A 1.2.3.5 Basically, what would happen in the case of an email being sent to joe@domain.com is: o ) Remote SMTP server queries DNS server for domain.com to find the MX host. o ) Remote SMTP server queries DNS server for domain.com to find the IP Address for mail.domain.com. o ) DNS server for domain.com responds to remote SMTP server with either 1.2.3.4 or 1.2.3.5, based on the method of "load distribution" employed by BIND. > So,the question is, can I still have load distribution > with a mail server? Most certainly. Remember, SMTP is just another port on your server. Round Robin DNS is just one form of load balancing. Other methods might include using software such as balance, or another piece of software by the makers of vmailmgr. Then again, you could shell out many thousands of dollars and purchase a commercial load balancing switch. > Suppose that the service domain is mail.com, so you > can send mail for example to john@mail.com > and the two machine of the cluster are: > one.mail.com ( Ip: A.B.C.D ) > two.mail.com ( Ip: X.Y.Z.K ) [ ... ] > In the second case I don't have any Load Distribution, > all the traffic goes to the "one.mail.com" > till it goes down and that's not what I want. Perhaps you need something like balance which includes the ability to cater for failures. That'll take care of the load balancing and the redundancy in the one operation. Bear in mind that you'd then need a machine which you could use for the purpose of running balance on. It also becomes a single point of failure. - andrew -- void signature () { cout << "Andrew Reid -- andrew.reid@plug.cx" << endl ; cout << "Cell: +61 401 946 813" << endl; cout << "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur" << endl; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 6:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.buckhorn.net (lfkn-adsl-dhcp-net1-159.txucom.net [207.70.145.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC69537B405 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buckhorn.net (darkstar.buckhorn.net [207.70.145.159]) by darkstar.buckhorn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A7C6E8F4 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:50:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BA35C8B.8ACC74E6@buckhorn.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:50:03 -0500 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution References: <20010915080113.985.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> <20010915222844.A6415@plug.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Multiple A records for a single MX, as well as CNAMES for the MX record won't do what you want, as clients and servers (DNS) tend to cache addresses. Since your DNS server will always pass along the first A record, or the first CNAME, no balancing will occure. The priority flag for the MX record was designed for just this reason. (Man named.conf for details) What you need is this: domain.com. IN MX 10 mail1 domain.com. IN MX 10 mail2 mail1 IN A 1.2.3.4 mail2 IN A 1.2.3.5 Andrew Reid wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:01:13AM +0200, Fabrizio Ravazzini wrote: > > > I want to make this cluster using DNS-RoundRobin. > > Reading the book DNS&BIND (O'Reilly) page 274, if I > > insert two A-Records with two CNAME I can make > > the round Robin, but this for ftp,http or whatever > > server,but I think NOT Mail Servers. > > Hrm, your interpretation seems a little weird. Basically, you'd do > something like this to achieve "load balancing" through DNS: > > domain.com. IN MX 10 mail > mail IN A 1.2.3.4 > mail IN A 1.2.3.5 > > Basically, what would happen in the case of an email being sent to > joe@domain.com is: > > o ) Remote SMTP server queries DNS server for domain.com to find the > MX host. > > o ) Remote SMTP server queries DNS server for domain.com to find the > IP Address for mail.domain.com. > > o ) DNS server for domain.com responds to remote SMTP server with > either 1.2.3.4 or 1.2.3.5, based on the method of "load > distribution" employed by BIND. > > > So,the question is, can I still have load distribution > > with a mail server? > > Most certainly. Remember, SMTP is just another port on your > server. Round Robin DNS is just one form of load balancing. Other > methods might include using software such as balance, or another piece > of software by the makers of vmailmgr. Then again, you could shell out > many thousands of dollars and purchase a commercial load balancing > switch. > > > Suppose that the service domain is mail.com, so you > > can send mail for example to john@mail.com > > and the two machine of the cluster are: > > one.mail.com ( Ip: A.B.C.D ) > > two.mail.com ( Ip: X.Y.Z.K ) > > [ ... ] > > > In the second case I don't have any Load Distribution, > > all the traffic goes to the "one.mail.com" > > till it goes down and that's not what I want. > > Perhaps you need something like balance which includes the ability to > cater for failures. That'll take care of the load balancing and the > redundancy in the one operation. Bear in mind that you'd then need a > machine which you could use for the purpose of running balance on. It > also becomes a single point of failure. > > - andrew > > -- > void signature () { > cout << "Andrew Reid -- andrew.reid@plug.cx" << endl ; > cout << "Cell: +61 401 946 813" << endl; > cout << "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur" << endl; > } > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 7:14: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438DB37B408 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 80BB216B27 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [66.64.14.18] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4C3AB330048; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:25:07 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010915091315.0a697b28@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:13:27 -0500 To: Freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Multiple A records for a single MX, as well as CNAMES for the MX record >won't do what you want, as clients and servers (DNS) tend to cache >addresses. BIND caches, of course. The only other non-recursive resolver that Iīve heard of is in W2K, MS anticipating that in their primary target market of AD + DHCP + DDNS intranets that they needed to reduce query loads. What are the others? >Since your DNS server will always pass along the first A >record false. eg, with BIND, the default RRset-order value is cyclic. do dig aol.com mx 10 times to confirm. >, or the first CNAME, no balancing will occure. false. BINDīs RRset-order cyclic or random will cause effective load distribution among members of the RRset for resolvers that work strictly with the physical order of RRset records. IN conrast, BIND's own recursive resolver uses RTT, round trip time, to determine, continuously and dynamically, which member of the RRset it will query. >The priority flag for the MX record was designed for just this reason. false. the preference field is not for distributing load, but for providing backup MX's. >domain.com. IN MX 10 mail1 >domain.com. IN MX 10 mail2 >mail1 IN A 1.2.3.4 >mail2 IN A 1.2.3.5 ok, your answer is right, for the wrong reasons. :)) Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 9: 6:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.buckhorn.net (lfkn-adsl-dhcp-net1-159.txucom.net [207.70.145.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855B637B407 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buckhorn.net (darkstar.buckhorn.net [207.70.145.159]) by darkstar.buckhorn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1860A6E8F4; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:06:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BA37C96.678DB083@buckhorn.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:06:46 -0500 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Len Conrad Cc: Freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010915091315.0a697b28@mail.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Len Conrad wrote: > > >Multiple A records for a single MX, as well as CNAMES for the MX record > >won't do what you want, as clients and servers (DNS) tend to cache > >addresses. > > BIND caches, of course. The only other non-recursive resolver that Iīve > heard of is in W2K, MS anticipating that in their primary target market of > AD + DHCP + DDNS intranets that they needed to reduce query loads. What > are the others? > Internet Explorer > V4.x, Outlook and Outlook Express > V4.x, Netscape > V4.x (On your Unix box, with netscape running, do a ps -ax... that dns helper is a caching resolver) Once any of these find a working name==ip, they will continue to use it until the pair fails. > >Since your DNS server will always pass along the first A > >record > > false. eg, with BIND, the default RRset-order value is cyclic. > > do > > dig aol.com mx > > 10 times to confirm. > > >, or the first CNAME, no balancing will occure. > > false. BINDīs RRset-order cyclic or random will cause effective load > distribution among members of the RRset for resolvers that work strictly > with the physical order of RRset records. > > IN conrast, BIND's own recursive resolver uses RTT, round trip time, to > determine, continuously and dynamically, which member of the RRset it will > query. > I was being overly simplistic. But using multiple RR's won't load balance, it causes [hopefully] load sharing, assuming nothing between the client and the authoritative server caches the response from the authoritative server. More to the point of this thread, and using your example, all of aol's mail servers have separate names, and A records, but have the same MX priority. And on high traffic networks, DNS based load sharing won't work for a number of reasons, but primarily because of client caching, and that this method of load distribution doesn't take server responsiveness into account. For clarity on that last point, I'll use the example of 2 mail servers with MX records of equal preference. Each will handle every other request. But if every other request is a list, one server is going to end up doing a lot more work than the other, possibly to the point of failure. While this tends to affect web servers more than mail servers, it's still the reason they build load balancers. There is also a problem with the authoritative name servers and timing. If I dig at aol.com 10 times in a row, I will get cyclic answers. But if I dig at aol.com once an hour for 10 hours (which is far more likely in the real world) I'm apt to get a much higher incidence of the same response. Again, this is a much bigger problem on a high volume network. > >The priority flag for the MX record was designed for just this reason. > > false. the preference field is not for distributing load, but for > providing backup MX's. Strictly speaking, it's there to set a preference. Equal preference for load sharing, and unequal preference for providing backup servers. (Fault tolerance) We can rest secure in the fact that if this wasn't the case, the RFC's would have precluded using preference numbers of equal value. > > >domain.com. IN MX 10 mail1 > >domain.com. IN MX 10 mail2 > >mail1 IN A 1.2.3.4 > >mail2 IN A 1.2.3.5 > > ok, your answer is right, for the wrong reasons. :)) A different way of arriving at the same conclusion perhaps? Some place in the midst of this discussion, somebody ought to point out that no matter what you do, using CNAME's for mail servers is a bad idea. Pick the MTA of your choice, go to their web site, and you are bound to find something about CNAME loops in the FAQ. Bob -- But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses. -- Bruce Leverett, "Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 9:29: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C3537B403 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id CB08C16B27 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [66.64.14.18] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A45BAF270048; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:39:55 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010915110914.02ceeea8@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:28:28 -0500 To: Freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution In-Reply-To: <3BA37C96.678DB083@buckhorn.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010915091315.0a697b28@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Internet Explorer > V4.x, Outlook and Outlook Express > V4.x, Netscape > >V4.x (On your Unix box, with netscape running, do a ps -ax... that dns >helper is a caching resolver) Once any of these find a working name==ip, >they will continue to use it until the pair fails. hmm. ok, application-level caching. The corporate DNS admin who was desiging to roll out W2K and AD to 60K desktops made the point of W2K "resolver" doing caching. >I was being overly simplistic. But using multiple RR's won't load >balance, it causes [hopefully] load sharing yes, if "balancing" implies load detection. Alternating RR physical sequence is dumb load sharing, load distribution. >, assuming nothing between >the client and the authoritative server caches the response from the >authoritative server. a caching BIND DNS will also respect its RRorder param. > More to the point of this thread, and using your >example, all of aol's mail servers have separate names, and A records, >but have the same MX priority. And on high traffic networks, DNS based >load sharing won't work for a number of reasons, but primarily because >of client caching, it will and does work > and that this method of load distribution doesn't >take server responsiveness into account. yep, itīs dumb, but itīs a lot better than no load sharing. > For clarity on that last point, >I'll use the example of 2 mail servers with MX records of equal >preference. Each will handle every other request. But if every other >request is a list whatīs a query for a "list" ? >, one server is going to end up doing a lot more work >than the other, possibly to the point of failure. what? > While this tends to >affect web servers more than mail servers, it's still the reason they >build load balancers. Note that DNS-based load balancers have extremely short TTL's, which will slow the average access time due to loss of caching. > There is also a problem with the authoritative >name servers and timing. If I dig at aol.com 10 times in a row, I will >get cyclic answers. But if I dig at aol.com once an hour for 10 hours >(which is far more likely in the real world) I'm apt to get a much >higher incidence of the same response. why? >Again, this is a much bigger problem on a high volume network. why? > > ok, your answer is right, for the wrong reasons. :)) >A different way of arriving at the same conclusion perhaps? yes, my right way, and your wrong way. :)) >Some place in the midst of this discussion, somebody ought to point out >that no matter what you do, using CNAME's for mail servers is a bad >idea. CNAMEīs are to be avoided. > Pick the MTA of your choice, go to their web site, and you are >bound to find something about CNAME loops in the FAQ. CNAMEīs are to be avoided. Much more common is an MX hostname being an ip address. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 15 11:58: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.buckhorn.net (lfkn-adsl-dhcp-net1-159.txucom.net [207.70.145.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1D537B401 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buckhorn.net (darkstar.buckhorn.net [207.70.145.159]) by darkstar.buckhorn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CC56E8F4 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:58:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BA3A4C1.C344A6F@buckhorn.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:58:09 -0500 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail Server - Round Robin Load Distribution References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010915091315.0a697b28@mail.Go2France.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010915110914.02ceeea8@mail.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Len Conrad wrote: > > >Internet Explorer > V4.x, Outlook and Outlook Express > V4.x, Netscape > > >V4.x (On your Unix box, with netscape running, do a ps -ax... that dns > >helper is a caching resolver) Once any of these find a working name==ip, > >they will continue to use it until the pair fails. > > hmm. ok, application-level caching. > > The corporate DNS admin who was desiging to roll out W2K and AD to 60K > desktops made the point of W2K "resolver" doing caching. > > >I was being overly simplistic. But using multiple RR's won't load > >balance, it causes [hopefully] load sharing > > yes, if "balancing" implies load detection. Alternating RR physical > sequence is dumb load sharing, load distribution. > > >, assuming nothing between > >the client and the authoritative server caches the response from the > >authoritative server. > > a caching BIND DNS will also respect its RRorder param. > > > More to the point of this thread, and using your > >example, all of aol's mail servers have separate names, and A records, > >but have the same MX priority. And on high traffic networks, DNS based > >load sharing won't work for a number of reasons, but primarily because > >of client caching, > > it will and does work > > > and that this method of load distribution doesn't > >take server responsiveness into account. > > yep, itīs dumb, but itīs a lot better than no load sharing. Unless one of the servers in the round robin goes down. > > For clarity on that last point, > >I'll use the example of 2 mail servers with MX records of equal > >preference. Each will handle every other request. But if every other > >request is a list > > whatīs a query for a "list" ? Think MTA, not DNS. List as in email list, like FreeBSD-ISP. > > >, one server is going to end up doing a lot more work > >than the other, possibly to the point of failure. > > what? See chapter 10 of the 3rd addition of DNS and Bind, and FAQ.2of2 question 5.13 (From ICS) > > > While this tends to > >affect web servers more than mail servers, it's still the reason they > >build load balancers. > > Note that DNS-based load balancers have extremely short TTL's, which will > slow the average access time due to loss of caching. > > > There is also a problem with the authoritative > >name servers and timing. If I dig at aol.com 10 times in a row, I will > >get cyclic answers. But if I dig at aol.com once an hour for 10 hours > >(which is far more likely in the real world) I'm apt to get a much > >higher incidence of the same response. > > why? > > >Again, this is a much bigger problem on a high volume network. > > why? Because sooner or later the authoritative DNS server is going to forget what it told my resolver, and will give me the first item in the list. High volume networks have more servers, and NS1 doesn't have a clue what NS2 just told me. Let alone NS3, NS4 and NS5. The more infrequent my queries, the more apt I am to be given the address of the same server twice in a row. A network that handles a million DNS queries an hour will dequeue old information more often than one that answers a 1000 DNS queries a day, once again improving my ability to get the address of the same server twice in a row. > > > > ok, your answer is right, for the wrong reasons. :)) > >A different way of arriving at the same conclusion perhaps? > > yes, my right way, and your wrong way. :)) That's not what I get from RFC 974 :) > > >Some place in the midst of this discussion, somebody ought to point out > >that no matter what you do, using CNAME's for mail servers is a bad > >idea. > > CNAMEīs are to be avoided. > > > Pick the MTA of your choice, go to their web site, and you are > >bound to find something about CNAME loops in the FAQ. > > CNAMEīs are to be avoided. > > Much more common is an MX hostname being an ip address. > > Len > > http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K > http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways > Bob -- But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses. -- Bruce Leverett, "Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message