Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:31:18 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net> To: obrien@FreeBSD.org Cc: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, ports-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/emulators/linux_base-fc4 Makefile Message-ID: <20071224113118.85kxkqtnrc4gsksc@webmail.leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <20071224044606.GB65261@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <200712192019.lBJKJtvv016644@repoman.freebsd.org> <20071220092355.rpm2kstwu88c4k88@webmail.leidinger.net> <20071220163402.GB46470@dragon.NUXI.org> <20071222133627.46o3d8fxc0sko0w0@webmail.leidinger.net> <20071224044606.GB65261@dragon.NUXI.org>
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Quoting David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.org> (from Sun, 23 Dec 2007 =20
20:46:06 -0800):
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 01:36:27PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>> Quoting David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.org> (from Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:34:0=
2
>> -0800):
>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:23:55AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>>> This change does make it so one can add the right linux_base. Without
>>> it, one must go churning thru /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk to figure out
>>> what specific distro is the right app.
>>
>> This is only true if you want to add it by hand, instead of letting the
>> pkg tools tell you which one to download. What I would like to know is,
>> if you are adding it by hand and then using a linux program which is
>> not available as a port, or if you install a linux program from
>> ports/pkg by installing all the prerequisite by hand.
>
> Both.
> The last time I 'pkg_add -r'ed linux_base it was to run company internal
> applications that aren't a FreeBSD package.
>
> At times I also like to pre-install some dependencies - to make it easier
> to monitor the install of the application I'm ultimately interested in.
>
>> I'm asking this, because normally it doesn't make sense to install
>> linux programs as packages. The ports download binary files anyway, and
>> there's no compiling or some other time consuming operation happening.
>
> Sure it does - it is faster to 'pkg_add -r linux_base' than "build" it
> from /usr/ports - where one has to download 36 files. Especially if the
> first MASTER_SITE listed isn't having a good day.
Set a FreeBSD mirror as the master site override in make.conf and you =20
only have to bother about this if FreeBSD doesn't carry the distfile.
>> In most of the cases installing a linux base by hand is the wrong thing
>> to do.
>
> That is a very personal POV. I see nothing wrong with it. Expecially if
> one is scripting the installation of several FreeBSD boxes. And if we do
Scripting is not really a problem, specially when you install a port =20
which depends upon the default linux base port. But this does not =20
matter here. As said, I don't object to the change, I just want to =20
know the reason behind it. Thanks for sharing it with me.
And I stand to the POV that in most cases installing a linux base port =20
by hand is the wrong thing. If you know what you are doing, you can do =20
what you want, but in most cases the people don't have a clue about =20
linux base and as such it is better to let the automatic dependency =20
resolution take care about the installation of the linux base port. =20
This results in less support mails to freebsd-emulation@. As long as =20
nobody advocates to install the linux base port by hand, feel free to =20
come up with suggestions/patches how to make the work you are doing =20
more easy (a pre-commit review request on freebsd-emulation@ would be =20
very nice).
> a proper job of keeping "linux_base" pointing to the right package, this
> line in Sysinstall doesn't have to keep changing to chase our
> advancements:
> config.c: i =3D package_add("linux_base-fc");
You don't have to justify the addition of LATEST_LINK. As already said =20
in a previous mail, I don't object, I just want to understand why you =20
need it (I don't think the sysinstall part was your main reason for =20
your commit, just a side-effect... and that is ok for me).
Bye,
Alexander.
--=20
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Your Captain Midnight decoder ring arrives tomorrow.
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