From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 18:48:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1A523E263 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48LGMs3pPBz4NsJ for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:2a4:edfd:a538:7cd1:2679:e8a5] (unknown [172.58.139.152]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D50A44E65F; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:48:08 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:48:07 -0600 Cc: Michael Watters , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> To: Ottavio Caruso X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48LGMs3pPBz4NsJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[152.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ip: (0.37), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.18), asn: 160(0.14), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.863,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:48:10 -0000 > On Feb 16, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 13:45, Michael Watters = wrote: >>=20 >> On 2/15/2020 3:33 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> Quite so, FreeBSD has all the bits to do it and has had for some >>> time, but nobody wanted a repository of pre-built jails enough to = make one. >>=20 >> Personally I find the idea of downloading and running random = container >> images from a 3rd party site to be kind of crazy. You have no idea = what >> is inside those images until you run them. >=20 I can see two opposite attitudes here locally. Being sysadmin I am 100% = with Michael: I do not want/trust to run something created by somebody = else and not necessarily thoroughly audited. I do feel fully responsible = for whatever happens because of my actions/choices. So, I build BreeBSD = jails, not even using ezjail, just =E2=80=9Cby the book=E2=80=9D, and = install/configure inside what is necessary. Majority of scientists I work for here are more or less with Ottavio: = they will run everything that they find lying there on the Internet what = is said doing what they need done. And they are entitled to that = attitude, in a sense that they have better things to do: their science, = and spending time on anything else just steals time from doing science. My apologies for this crude division, no offense intended. Valeri > I hate being the guy that defends Linux here, but, at least with > Linuxcontainers.org, the images are built using publicly available > scripts: > https://github.com/lxc/lxc-ci >=20 > Then one could build their own containers from a script. The images: > https://us.images.linuxcontainers.org/images/ >=20 > can be used as jails or chroots, provided there is some level of > binary compatibility. Major Linux distros offer their own > docker/containers images. >=20 > I wouldn't knock dockers/containers, granted that FreeBSD was there > first with jails. >=20 > --=20 > Ottavio Caruso > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++