Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:59:09 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <youshi10@u.washington.edu> To: jozef.baum@telenet.be Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: A strategic question Message-ID: <6FCDCB30-51BB-4ABE-AC78-B128D838B309@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <GEEBILKJFGOEBNHGLKIHIEONCBAA.jozef.baum@telenet.be> References: <GEEBILKJFGOEBNHGLKIHIEONCBAA.jozef.baum@telenet.be>
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On Jan 27, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Jozef Baum wrote: > This posting doesn't contain a technical question about FreeBSD, > rather a > strategic one. > > Some time ago, I wanted to migrate to a Unix environment, because I > wanted > to have a secure, stable, convenient and efficient environment for > developing and running programs, no longer having to buy a new PC > with a new > OS and applications software every 3 years to support Bill Gates' > only goal > (becoming and remaining the richest man of the USA). At the end of > the 20th > century, it took us only a few years to have to upgrade from Win 95 > to Win > 95SE, to Win 98, to Win 98SE, and to Win ME, only to remain with a > poor OS. > Now, when reinstalling my version of Windows XP, it takes me more > time to > download and install the SP2 than to install Windows XP. I wonder > how people > with a low-bandwidth Internet connection do to download the SP2 for > Windows > XP. > > I downloaded Solaris 10 and a lot of documentation about it, then > installed > Solaris 10. As opposed to Linux and free BSD implementations of UNIX, > Solaris looks like a professionally developed operating system. It > seems to > be1 a very advanced operating system. However, I soon realized > that, when > one wants a yacht, it is not a good idea to acquire the Queen Mary > II, just > as it costs too much time to acquire a hotel to have a cup of coffee. > > Then I downloaded what I thought being one of the best Linux > distributions, > Suse Linux. I tried to install it, but the system got locked up by > something > so stupid as my nVidia modem. Together with the heterogeneous > quality of > Linux components, and not at all liking Linus Torvald's arrogance, > I decided > to abandon Linux. > > I came to FreeBSD, with the idea that it had a more homogeneous > quality > development model, downloaded the FreeBSD 6.0 boot CD and CD 1 and > 2, and > installed it on my PC, following the handbook. > > I knew UNIX is a toolkit intended to IT knowledge people, so it > will never > perform a breakthrough to the average desktop user. But my > disappointment > with FreeBSD was great. > > In fact, to install FreeBSD, one needs already a lot of knowledge > about the > system. To acquire that knowledge, one needs experience on an > installed > system. But to have an installed system, one needs already a lot of > knowledge about the system. That's the problem. > > The handbook doesn't tell you that, at the "last chance" message, > you have > to take out the boot CD and to insert CD 1. But if you don't do so, > nothing > gets installed. > > I configured a German ISO keyboard, but many keys don't work > correctly. One > has to look with Google to find additional information about > configuring a > German keyboard. > > I have a cable Internet connection and my network card was > recognized, but > getting an IP-address with the DHCP service of my provider was > impossible. > Again, I had to look up with Google how to allow the firewall to > get an > IP-addres with my provider's DHCP. > > The locate command did not work, as the locate database seemed to be > corrupted. I had to figure out how to rebuild this database. > > The root user had a csh, while ordinary users had a sh shell. I had to > figure out how to provide the same shell to the root user and the > other > users, as all those virtual users are all one and the same person, me. > > I tried to setup an X Window environment (nVidia Geforce video > adapter), but > the horizontal and vertical refresh rates of the manufacturer > didn't work, I > had to experiment to find out the one X likes. Then I could startup > X, only > to not having configured at all my German keyboard. > > I tried to install emacs during installation, but it didn't succeed. > Returning to the post-installation tasks after having installed the > system > resulted in a successfull installation of emacs (working only after > a system > reboot). > > I could go on for hours with this kind of troubles. But now comes the > strategic question. > > Why is it that FreeBSD people, who seem to be perfectly able to > formulate > correct algorithms for implementing UNIX concepts, and translating > them into > code, don't care at all about a novice user, providing him with an > installation program that doesn't work as it should, even without a > GUI? > > I know UNIX is all about solving problems, but is it really > interesting to > make it apparently deliberatly so difficult for a newcomer? Is it > really the > policy of those guys to make the entry level to UNIX difficult, > only to > avoid a breakthrough of UNIX (FreeBSD) to the desktop users? > > I knew the installation, configuration and optimization of a Unix > system > would take me a lot of time and patience. But after some weeks, the > only > result, as probably for many others, is an immense frustration. I > cannot > imagine that people capable of developing such a complex operating > system as > Unix are unable to offer newcomers a correct and easy install > procedure. But > probably, that's not their concern. > > Please, guys, if you want FreeBSD to survive and to become not only > a server > OS, but also a desktop OS, realize that you are going the wrong way by > annoying newcomers with a puzzle. I want to learn Unix, the real Unix. > Searching a text file for a string with grep, not launching a > tremendous > memory hungry application under X Window to do so. I want to learn > how to > pipe Unix commands to get usefull work done. I want to learn the > ed line > editor as a starting point for using sed. But please, don't > frustrate me > from the beginning by making the installation of FreeBSD so > difficult. Drop > some whistles and bells on which you are working, and encounter the > newbie. > > Many thanks in advance for your comments. > > A frustrated FreeBSD newbie Rambling on in such a frustrated manner only makes your comments all the less plausible and makes your efforts futilely wasted. If you still haven't learned anything about Unix since you've been running SuSe, and you think FreeBSD is bad, try another Unix OS like OpenBSD or NetBSD and you may know the difficulty of installing things (which I know is relative, but oh well). Having all those lovely bells and whistles for the newbies (Anaconda, installing Xorg by default, etc, which inspires me of Ubuntu, Redhat and the like) is what dumbs down Unix for everyone, and in all cases no matter what you learn you need to a) consult documentation, b) read forums, c) use google for cripes sake. There is no excuse for not being able to use something unless the documentation is so incredibly difficult to find (which is not the case here), and you have a lot of people here who are willing to help you _if_ you ask the question nicely. That is my advice to you. -Garrett
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