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Date:      Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:29:08 -0700
From:      Doug <Doug@gorean.org>
To:        Young <young@richardson.apana.org.au>
Cc:        Jeff Baker <Jeff.Baker@ACADHOTLINE.net.au>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: adopt a newbie program - Thanks
Message-ID:  <37C84694.82C20A4B@gorean.org>
References:  <01d601bef0fe$08ad7f20$857e03cb@jdy>

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Young wrote:

> I agree in principle, but not in practice .... the experts regard so much
> stuff that causes
> newbies untold grief as too trivial to even mention.  I'm not suggesting it
> any way that its intentional, but there are countless things that an
> experienced unix user takes for granted assuming EVERONE knows basic stuff
> as well as they (the experts) do.

	What you say is absolutely true. Experienced users who worked hard to
obtain a basic facility with unix have an expectation that someone who
wants to learn the system will put a little effort into learning it
themselves. The problem is that there isn't any one place to start. Every
bit of knowledge assumes some other bits of knowledge, and there really
aren't any alternatives to just slogging through it till it starts making
sense. 
 
> A common issue here is the MAN's & HOWTO's .... which may well be a valuable
> reference
> tool if one knows a bit, but to a newbie looking for a simple command its
> totally frustrating having to wade through a list of 345, 347,237  switches
> (of which maybe 2 apply in 99% of instances) and maybe 443 lines to find the
> ONE you need.

	How is the man page supposed to know what switch you want to use? Unix
rewards those who get in there and dig, it does not reward people who want
to be spoon fed. Also, the neat thing about FreeBSD is that if you don't
like the documentation, you are ENCOURAGED to submit changes. Personally
I've worked pretty hard to improve what I can, and although I think I'm
better at faking it than some of the "higher level" programmers I don't
have a new user perspective anymore. 

	The short version is, if you don't like what you see, work to change it.
But please don't expect the entire Unix world to change just because you
happened to step into it. 

Doug


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