From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 00:04:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B5E106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE84D8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2462607vbm.13 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v1WhHPeV21ExvsriCvFkHZfrYRE1+T3yEEbDynfT0fo=; b=BsE4DgZofPjP9GJ2DuApsekylOxXkoW9KhmedyS3kvGMwVgeQ8DVkYUthK13qcWVZh HmK/DmtDpIKYNxLc7nyVXG9gTeImS2e2wv7/Uvk4oxtdo0rRPgp/sDw7zWdm7fvQIcBf kfKMCOCGMV/za+IvLAvJttfO3GgFLIqtfT9TabRyqTyiUlvPnJx77+nTTHZSVG4Gtvfk NyrchmX2VTxOXewg9AoSpZJuhAWYjGKCVRDbOjJVnDzoHB7whR+VlOST5TnK06GJe1Dd BK9MR3IgIcsEdxnWiB7r3uetne//oqMXTSaIwDS5AO06XbK/fW7dwLiW2p0Eg1/1Fyuo 19FQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.172.172 with SMTP id bd12mr1065183vdc.69.1333843481051; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 02:04:41 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 00:04:42 -0000 Hello! Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music primarily on FreeBSD? Thanks! 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none Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:33:52 -0700 From: Robert To: Jeff Tipton Message-ID: <20120407173352.375f3c58@dell64> In-Reply-To: <4F8063D5.6070907@mail.com> References: <4F7FDB1D.6020608@mail.com> <4F8063D5.6070907@mail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xfburn and k3b on FreeBSD9.0-RELEASE can't find LITE-ON DVDRW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 00:34:15 -0000 On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:57:09 +0300 Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 04/07/2012 09:13, Jeff Tipton wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I can't get any GUI tool working with my LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S > > (IDE) on 9.0-RELEASE (packages and ports tree are in sync from the > > release date). > > > > atapicam is compiled in GENERIC kernel now, so no need for this > > module. > > > > I recompiled cdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, and hal. > > > > cdrecord works after that (tried to blank some CDs and burn some > > ISOs). > > > > But xfburn crashes: > > (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, > > optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 > > > > (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, > > optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 > > ** Message: Using Thunar-VFS 1.2.0 > > ** Message: Using HAL > > xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate ioctl for > > device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate > > ioctl for device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: > > Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > > ** ERROR **: Device address does not lead to a burner > > '/dev/cd0' (ret=0). aborting... > > > > [1] Abort xfburn (core dumped) > > > > Exactly the same result when run as root. > > > > k3b starts but shows a warning message in a popup window: > > No optical drive found. > > K3b did not find any optical device in your system. > > Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for > > finding devices. > > > > Of course, HAL is running. > > > > brasero starts ok and doesn't complain at all; it just doesn't show > > any devices. > > > > camcontrol devlist output: > > > > at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > > (pass0,ada0) at scbus0 target 1 > > lun 0 (pass1,ada1) at scbus1 > > target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass2) > > > > This is what I tried to set to make it work: > > > > /etc/devfs.conf: > > # CDROM > > own cd0 root:operator > > perm cd0 0660 > > > > own pass2 root:operator > > perm pass2 0666 > > > > own xpt0 root:operator > > perm xpt0 0666 > > > > /etc/devfs.rules: > > [system=5] > > #CD/DVD > > add path 'cd*' mode 0666 group operator > > add path 'pass*' mode 0666 group operator > > add path 'xpt*' mode 0666 group operator > > > > /etc/rc.conf: > > devfs_system_ruleset="system" > > > > No CD-related entries in /etc/fstab. > > Added myself to the operator group. > > SUID flags: > > ll /usr/local/bin | grep cdr > > -rws--x--- 1 root operator 578088 Dec 3 02:30 cdrdao > > -rws--x--- 1 root operator 402768 Feb 22 15:33 cdrecord > > -rws--x--- 1 root operator 136428 Dec 3 10:08 cdrskin > > > > Permissions on /dev files: > > #ll /dev |grep cd > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 91 Apr 6 15:18 cd0 > > # ll /dev | grep pass > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 83 Apr 6 15:18 pass0 > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 6 15:18 pass1 > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 85 Apr 6 15:18 pass2 > > # ll /dev | grep xpt > > crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 68 Apr 6 15:18 xpt0 > > > > # sysctl hw.ata.atapi_dma > > hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 > > > > What could be wrong? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Some news. I found out that xfburn depends on libburn, so I > recompiled libburn, too. Now xfburn seems to work (could blank a > disk, write an ISO image, write files to a disk). > > As for k3b (which I would prefer), nothing changed. Only I found that > when I insert a disk before launching k3b, it finds the drive as > read-only. Now the popup window says: > No CD/DVD/BD writer found. > K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you > will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use > other K3b features such as audio track extraction, audio transcoding > or ISO9660 image creation. > > In Settings > Devices dialog, "Writers" are shown as "none", and > /dev/cd0 is under "Read-only Drives". There are blank squares against > "Vendor" and "Firmware", and "Error" against "Write Capabilities:". > For what it is worth, I had a similar problem with FreeBSD 9 back in the Beta days. IIRC I had to rebuild cdparanoia and then K3B and all was working again. YMMV Good Luck Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 01:38:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B0106567F for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D939E8FC1D for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhgm50 with SMTP id m50so1886482yhg.13 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :x-kmail-markup:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:x-gm-message-state; bh=+vcBFG0VgTVddsZp6m/0bJZEafFqa5UgEEJdZpnzIYg=; b=ikKZjd1Ij+dVia7V544E4s7cd4lQa6+z/p/1yZMtvcBs9V8KOxhFLMM6jCl3RniJ+5 FkqyFtifbHoFcXtEx+UFBTHHzndK1UmH2a468f6vn5aCExwwUBhV3k3V0o89ifeaxU6c BM1hridQVB9PaFRjb60kHmVNbzfmuK99oa/UgiqkTdwREl/2L8bNyNLINUPS1l49Ndxf uMHJHDI+XGjrR9ABhM+2X+2OyAuV7M/lgvWe4/xMl1ONdUBxx1NAcfHl1ljeG9I+nC5U HxLBxJMkRHtPtrCypIpUDRQa1hva9RChEeyYnjHR6XedJLYbwbh2u1d3vS+UI+52DGsj cQTw== Received: by 10.101.11.6 with SMTP id o6mr676999ani.47.1333849134013; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([177.41.11.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm47155765yhk.2.2012.04.07.18.38.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:39:02 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkt0iXDUf31wXqt2byRdOPr1N46drO+lz3aZTxZcAJl+8JI5VAt3KmKThQeATBr/rjy63xo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:38:55 -0000 On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: > Hello! > > Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music > primarily on FreeBSD? > > Thanks! > > Tony Man, that has been my dream for a good while! Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional sound boards. I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by gravity. I hope I don't blow up my desktop. I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 03:28:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B44106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E578FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 431955C22 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:42:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:28:52 -0000 On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music >> primarily on FreeBSD? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Tony > > Man, that has been my dream for a good while! > > Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And FBSD itself > has lots of issues with MIDI. > > Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional sound boards. > > I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is try to > port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I can manage to do > that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by gravity. > > I hope I don't blow up my desktop. > > I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. > I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a way to support it). We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. 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Sabatier" To: Mario Lobo Message-ID: <20120408002146.2ed24f3a@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:21:59 -0000 On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:39:02 -0300 Mario Lobo wrote: > On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music > > primarily on FreeBSD? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tony > > > Man, that has been my dream for a good while! > > Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And > FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. > > Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional > sound boards. > > I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is > try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I > can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by > gravity. > > I hope I don't blow up my desktop. > > I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. > And I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's eager to hear of any progress you may make with this most ambitious undertaking of yours. :-) Keep us posted, please? Conrad (who can't even get Rosegarden to run at all lately) :-( -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 05:31:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13182106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:31:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12368FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6265413iah.13 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CxFhdDyHfk6pDRd45KyczZW+SLLd2/qmqcbf1tw03oE=; b=q/eoH5ec4rNNnsgvuIZzIid35RPgKQ/6mxwdgRkopeDRCREgqgxdPQmAzSH/foIpwW g1AdeJqtMX6+yoL3XcnJbW/PD5PXMYSoCTgSyXvqYZXpzghHZtpSucyEdQozcAFnF+aS aiSuYxl9p8mv5Fb5sO+u1SPkZp/huq5qOpi+WJCrNEHk94/XyYR9OHLYazviNG73vL9G SclkA0Os2pnjHcCROk1YcAeHt8nHHM2ZQzCLuoHQeJPw/GpgQz5+BUihj8IfOxUVVxNd fdfO41mwJ0RLhwjZYXpaioqYlojWIXbdyhShAd0Le7BJ6u4S7TzdbautxHloGD71RfNP NhIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.167 with SMTP id gr7mr2104510igc.8.1333863090264; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.65.72 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:31:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:31:31 -0000 Dear folks, Has anyone seen the following message: GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1? This is the first time I see this error message when running ps2pdf on FreeBSD. Any pointers as to how to suppress these messages when invoking ps2pdf? Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 05:32:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CB91065674 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7257F8FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120408053240.JVOA18243.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net>; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:32:40 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.206]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id vHYf1i00K4T5sES02HYfQN; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:32:40 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4F8122F8.0018,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CRPD+Qc8oD39miT01U+idCnfgtTI0UgUfEDugnPCZ2w= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:17 a=ZaDg5-L3AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=bA2S0DTPQ3IFGVK6C7EA:9 a=CM9hKCVZNI0TaEdd3CkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q385Wd1V053853; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:32:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 00:32:36 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Da Rock Message-ID: <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:32:46 -0000 On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: > >> Hello! > >> > >> Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music > >> primarily on FreeBSD? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Tony > > > > Man, that has been my dream for a good while! > > > > Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And > > FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. > > > > Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional > > sound boards. > > > > I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which > > is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. > > If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my > > lap by gravity. > > > > I hope I don't blow up my desktop. > > > > I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. > > > I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the > wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use > FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a > way to support it). > > We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a > usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. > > The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for > midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in > the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app > like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. > > Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it > does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. > Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - > must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for > jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... Yes, Rosegarden is a very nice app; it's just too bad we can't get true MIDI working with it under FreeBSD. As an amateur (frustrated?) composer, I *really* like the notation editing. For several months now, I've been unable to use Rosegarden at all (under 10-CURRENT). It crashes very early on startup. Haven't been able to track this one down yet. Gosh, how I miss my early days with FreeBSD and my Soundblaster AWE64 with the special MIDI apps for it in the ports collection (back in the good ol' days when OSS was our soundsystem). > The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our > case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made > sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the > portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the > midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) > > The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - > if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through > jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. > > And dont forget lilypond for notation... :) I wish driver coding and such were more my area of expertise; I'd gladly lend a hand to any efforts to improve our MIDI support. Unfortunately, every time I've tried looking at any of the actual code for the sound subsystem, it's left me in a veritable mystified stupor. :-) And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. This is really my single, my one-and-only gripe with FreeBSD: MIDI! Used to have a nice setup that was working beautifully, pretty much comparable to what you might find under Windows or Mac. But the whole thing got yanked out and replaced with the newpcm stuff back in -- what year was it? -- sometime in the late 90s. Most unfortunate. I and a number of others protested at the time, that we were having functionality ripped out with no viable replacement in sight, and sadly, that's still pretty much the case. MIDI support in FreeBSD has never been the same since. :-( Oh well, I'll shut up now. Hate to come off as a whiner or something. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 05:46:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93E91065672 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5234B8FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Apr 2012 05:46:45 -0000 Received: from host117.apollo.lv (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [81.198.136.117] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 08 Apr 2012 01:46:45 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18fEUogqOIf5eP2i0rURQYntXezUoCA4neHvbyTDn UYT/bN1+iklgII Message-ID: <4F812640.40406@mail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:46:40 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F7FDB1D.6020608@mail.com> <4F8063D5.6070907@mail.com> <20120407173352.375f3c58@dell64> In-Reply-To: <20120407173352.375f3c58@dell64> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: xfburn and k3b on FreeBSD9.0-RELEASE can't find LITE-ON DVDRW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:46:52 -0000 On 04/08/2012 03:33, Robert wrote: > On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:57:09 +0300 > Jeff Tipton wrote: > >> On 04/07/2012 09:13, Jeff Tipton wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I can't get any GUI tool working with my LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S >>> (IDE) on 9.0-RELEASE (packages and ports tree are in sync from the >>> release date). >>> >>> atapicam is compiled in GENERIC kernel now, so no need for this >>> module. >>> >>> I recompiled cdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, and hal. >>> >>> cdrecord works after that (tried to blank some CDs and burn some >>> ISOs). >>> >>> But xfburn crashes: >>> (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, >>> optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 >>> >>> (process:6957): GLib-WARNING **: goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, >>> optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 >>> ** Message: Using Thunar-VFS 1.2.0 >>> ** Message: Using HAL >>> xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate ioctl for >>> device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: Inappropriate >>> ioctl for device xfburn: error sending CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl: >>> Inappropriate ioctl for device >>> >>> ** ERROR **: Device address does not lead to a burner >>> '/dev/cd0' (ret=0). aborting... >>> >>> [1] Abort xfburn (core dumped) >>> >>> Exactly the same result when run as root. >>> >>> k3b starts but shows a warning message in a popup window: >>> No optical drive found. >>> K3b did not find any optical device in your system. >>> Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for >>> finding devices. >>> >>> Of course, HAL is running. >>> >>> brasero starts ok and doesn't complain at all; it just doesn't show >>> any devices. >>> >>> camcontrol devlist output: >>> >>> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 >>> (pass0,ada0) at scbus0 target 1 >>> lun 0 (pass1,ada1) at scbus1 >>> target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass2) >>> >>> This is what I tried to set to make it work: >>> >>> /etc/devfs.conf: >>> # CDROM >>> own cd0 root:operator >>> perm cd0 0660 >>> >>> own pass2 root:operator >>> perm pass2 0666 >>> >>> own xpt0 root:operator >>> perm xpt0 0666 >>> >>> /etc/devfs.rules: >>> [system=5] >>> #CD/DVD >>> add path 'cd*' mode 0666 group operator >>> add path 'pass*' mode 0666 group operator >>> add path 'xpt*' mode 0666 group operator >>> >>> /etc/rc.conf: >>> devfs_system_ruleset="system" >>> >>> No CD-related entries in /etc/fstab. >>> Added myself to the operator group. >>> SUID flags: >>> ll /usr/local/bin | grep cdr >>> -rws--x--- 1 root operator 578088 Dec 3 02:30 cdrdao >>> -rws--x--- 1 root operator 402768 Feb 22 15:33 cdrecord >>> -rws--x--- 1 root operator 136428 Dec 3 10:08 cdrskin >>> >>> Permissions on /dev files: >>> #ll /dev |grep cd >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 91 Apr 6 15:18 cd0 >>> # ll /dev | grep pass >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 83 Apr 6 15:18 pass0 >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 6 15:18 pass1 >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 85 Apr 6 15:18 pass2 >>> # ll /dev | grep xpt >>> crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 68 Apr 6 15:18 xpt0 >>> >>> # sysctl hw.ata.atapi_dma >>> hw.ata.atapi_dma: 1 >>> >>> What could be wrong? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> Some news. I found out that xfburn depends on libburn, so I >> recompiled libburn, too. Now xfburn seems to work (could blank a >> disk, write an ISO image, write files to a disk). >> >> As for k3b (which I would prefer), nothing changed. Only I found that >> when I insert a disk before launching k3b, it finds the drive as >> read-only. Now the popup window says: >> No CD/DVD/BD writer found. >> K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you >> will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use >> other K3b features such as audio track extraction, audio transcoding >> or ISO9660 image creation. >> >> In Settings> Devices dialog, "Writers" are shown as "none", and >> /dev/cd0 is under "Read-only Drives". There are blank squares against >> "Vendor" and "Firmware", and "Error" against "Write Capabilities:". >> > For what it is worth, I had a similar problem with FreeBSD 9 back in > the Beta days. IIRC I had to rebuild cdparanoia and then K3B and all > was working again. > > YMMV > > Good Luck > > Robert Thank you, it works now! 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:10:42 -0000 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working > right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, > ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. That "should" only require replacing X11BASE with LOCALBASE in the 3 port files where it appears: timidity++/Makefile.interface (3 places) timidity++-motif/Makefile timidity++-xaw/pkg-plist (2 places) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:19:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C0E106578B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0D8FC17 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120408081923.XVZQ1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net>; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 04:19:23 -0400 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.83.206]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id vLKN1i0074T5sES02LKPiP; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 04:19:23 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F814A0B.0043,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=a5rW3OQRbFEdgKwo7xIr8Mdf8rAK9H2b+63LvJ58Ve0= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:17 a=GKysJfYJAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=NwxCcvBHz9yqPMzTeXcA:9 a=sSvrbya712sadIruPNsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=cRs4AX/51puMaUeRAuoQtw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q388JMS6053245; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:19:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:19:16 -0500 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20120408031916.62d7b010@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4f81a879.VxiEgEk4mW5r1GL7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> <4f81a879.VxiEgEk4mW5r1GL7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:19:33 -0000 On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:02:17 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote: > > > And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working > > right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, > > ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. > > That "should" only require replacing X11BASE with LOCALBASE > in the 3 port files where it appears: > > timidity++/Makefile.interface (3 places) > timidity++-motif/Makefile > timidity++-xaw/pkg-plist (2 places) Yes, I took a look at the port one day not too long ago, but ran into some unexpected difficulties with it, which I can't recall exactly at the moment. What I thought would be a simple search-and-replace thing turned out to have some surprises hidden away up in there. I'll have to take another shot at it, as my memory of what exactly the problem was is completely blank right now. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:41:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A35106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636F38FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38DF15C22 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 18:55:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F814F49.6070603@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:41:45 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201204072239.02765.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F8105F3.6060607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20120408003236.5d85721d@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Music production on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:41:46 -0000 On 04/08/12 15:32, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 > Da Rock wrote: > >> On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: >>> On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music >>>> primarily on FreeBSD? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Tony >>> Man, that has been my dream for a good while! >>> >>> Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And >>> FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. >>> >>> Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional >>> sound boards. >>> >>> I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which >>> is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. >>> If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my >>> lap by gravity. >>> >>> I hope I don't blow up my desktop. >>> >>> I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. >>> >> I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the >> wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use >> FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a >> way to support it). >> >> We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a >> usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. >> >> The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for >> midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in >> the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app >> like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. >> >> Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it >> does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. >> Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - >> must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for >> jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... > Yes, Rosegarden is a very nice app; it's just too bad we can't get true > MIDI working with it under FreeBSD. As an amateur (frustrated?) > composer, I *really* like the notation editing. I don't know about not having true midi, midi seems fine its just the software is (for some inexplicable reason) not supporting OSS anymore and chasing the horrid monster that is alsa. Even jack supports the freebsd midi using the daemon, but the software doesn't suport jack midi. Like I said: madness... > > For several months now, I've been unable to use Rosegarden at all > (under 10-CURRENT). It crashes very early on startup. Haven't been > able to track this one down yet. > > Gosh, how I miss my early days with FreeBSD and my Soundblaster AWE64 > with the special MIDI apps for it in the ports collection (back in the > good ol' days when OSS was our soundsystem). > >> The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our >> case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made >> sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the >> portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the >> midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) >> >> The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - >> if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through >> jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. >> >> And dont forget lilypond for notation... :) > I wish driver coding and such were more my area of expertise; I'd > gladly lend a hand to any efforts to improve our MIDI support. > Unfortunately, every time I've tried looking at any of the actual code > for the sound subsystem, it's left me in a veritable mystified > stupor. :-) > > And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The > Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal > of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. > > This is really my single, my one-and-only gripe with FreeBSD: MIDI! > Used to have a nice setup that was working beautifully, pretty much > comparable to what you might find under Windows or Mac. But the whole > thing got yanked out and replaced with the newpcm stuff back in -- what > year was it? -- sometime in the late 90s. Most unfortunate. I and a > number of others protested at the time, that we were having > functionality ripped out with no viable replacement in sight, and > sadly, that's still pretty much the case. MIDI support in FreeBSD has > never been the same since. :-( The replacement is there now, but everything else has moved on. > > Oh well, I'll shut up now. Hate to come off as a whiner or > something. :-) > No, I'd call it constructive criticism. Once my wife gets on my back about it I imagine I'll be driving it all forward again, so maybe there will be hope :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:53:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F52106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from airosovicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4838FC12 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so6236103obb.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fEAopIpvbPR42llDDPaz3WM838EF0OmV5+XjeEQw9cg=; b=P64w7BYVlq6GD2akt3yNUmxASwWjLqjr/Q95Xn5eLXQUQPf1PPJKK/KvST9F1pjxYK gvB5zV6vAdHzz+8oH2KOI1B4Zvr6TzDp5LQ/mcdxbmHeZYgwT92cI29P0GMPBBSo7CDj tq2kumsB/rIFultTvS8xsW1UzjSarVo8DhTWwL1ChHEvszL0iepxLUTKtE3OUdNLJXZg vwqdjxiQde80QjUmy3o0iGieTyml9uu2C7B3AsOHDmjdlwhtDJ/3LhRD9cxA7Uzg32YR tkRAU1JewL1/jN8SYM0hi00HmbIz9Xos5JUrOPr2E5Bwhc5FPvKphAS+Y0f1uS6206I1 +oPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.74.8 with SMTP id p8mr4848880obv.41.1333875235909; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.37.225 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:53:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?QWlyb3NvzrJpY3ogZmIu?= To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:53:56 -0000 Greetings all, It's my 1st time on any of the FreeBSD lists & I'm fairly new to FreeBSD to please bear with me.. So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. # cvsup.. Done.. # make buildworld.. Done.. # make buildkernel.. Done.. # make installkernel.. Done.. # reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to /dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD} I rebooted from the loader prompt with my old (GENERIC) kernel & came up with the following.. peggy# ls -l /dev/ad* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 79 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 82 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1a > > peggy# cat /etc/fstab > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad2s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > peggy# disklabel /dev/ad2s1a > # /dev/ad2s1a: > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 20044017 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28552 > c: 20044017 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, > don't edit > > peggy# fsck > ** /dev/ad2s1a (NO WRITE) > ** Last Mounted on / > ** Root file system > ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > 415735 files, 3148200 used, 1702923 free (40563 frags, 207795 blocks, 0.8% > fragmentation) > > peggy# kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 7 0xc0400000 bb5504 kernel > 2 1 0xc2e1a000 26000 linux.ko > I know there's many 'mount' problem discussions out there but I can't seem to find out how to overcome this problem.. Many thanx in advance for any assistance.. Regards, E. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:00:52 -0000 On 8 April 2012 09:53, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wrote: > Greetings all, > > It's my 1st time on any of the FreeBSD lists & I'm fairly new to FreeBSD = to > please bear with me.. > > So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single > user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. > > # cvsup.. Done.. > # make buildworld.. =C2=A0Done.. > # make buildkernel.. Done.. > # make installkernel.. Done.. > # reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to > /dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD} > > I rebooted from the loader prompt with my old (GENERIC) kernel & came up > with the following.. > > peggy# ls -l /dev/ad* >> crw-r----- =C2=A01 root =C2=A0operator =C2=A0 =C2=A00, =C2=A079 Apr =C2= =A08 08:47 /dev/ad2 >> crw-r----- =C2=A01 root =C2=A0operator =C2=A0 =C2=A00, =C2=A082 Apr =C2= =A08 08:47 /dev/ad2s1 >> crw-r----- =C2=A01 root =C2=A0operator =C2=A0 =C2=A00, =C2=A084 Apr =C2= =A08 08:47 /dev/ad2s1a >> >> peggy# cat /etc/fstab >> # Device =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mountpoint =C2=A0 =C2=A0FStype =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Options =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dump =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pass# >> /dev/ad2s1a =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ufs = =C2=A0 =C2=A0rw =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01 =C2=A0 =C2=A01 >> /dev/acd0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/cdrom =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0c= d9660 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ro,noauto =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 >> >> peggy# disklabel /dev/ad2s1a >> # /dev/ad2s1a: >> 8 partitions: >> # =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0size =C2=A0 offset =C2=A0 =C2=A0fstype =C2= =A0 [fsize bsize bps/cpg] >> =C2=A0 a: 20044017 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A04.2BSD =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 2048 16384 28552 >> =C2=A0 c: 20044017 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unused =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 # "ra= w" part, >> don't edit >> >> peggy# fsck >> ** /dev/ad2s1a (NO WRITE) >> ** Last Mounted on / >> ** Root file system >> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes >> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames >> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity >> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts >> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups >> 415735 files, 3148200 used, 1702923 free (40563 frags, 207795 blocks, 0.= 8% >> fragmentation) >> >> peggy# kldstat >> Id Refs Address =C2=A0 =C2=A0Size =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Name >> =C2=A01 =C2=A0 =C2=A07 0xc0400000 bb5504 =C2=A0 kernel >> =C2=A02 =C2=A0 =C2=A01 0xc2e1a000 26000 =C2=A0 =C2=A0linux.ko >> > > I know there's many 'mount' problem discussions out there but I can't see= m > to find out how to overcome this problem.. > > Many thanx in advance for any assistance.. > > Regards, > E. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" try specifying 'ufs:/dev/adas1a' at the kernel prompt or editing that into you fstab if you can. My devices changed and the 8-9 jump. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 09:54:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9429A1065670 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148C68FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q389sPnM032634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:54:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q389sPnM032634 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q389sPnM032634; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4F816046.1080503@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:54:14 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?IkFpcm9zb86yaWN6IGZiLiI=?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9130B0860E7834EB22F0FD36" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:54:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9130B0860E7834EB22F0FD36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wrote: > So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single= > user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. >=20 > # cvsup.. Done.. > # make buildworld.. Done.. > # make buildkernel.. Done.. > # make installkernel.. Done.. > # reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to > /dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD} >=20 As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode -- which is fine, but you'ld have to go through the same sort of rigmarole again to revert back to 8.1 should that be necesssary. The preferred method nowadays is to label the partitions. There are three options: glabel(8) -- generic labels for geom devices, which will appear in /dev/label/foo tunefs(8) -- specifically the -L option. For UFS, labels will appear as /dev/ufs/foo gpart(8) -- GPT partitioning has built-in label support. Devices appear as /dev/gpt/foo (Additionally partitions can be referred to by uuid for the tunefs and gpart labelling schemes, but that's not relevant here.) Quite why FreeBSD needs so many different labelling schemes escapes me. gpart(8) labelling is the default for new installs of 9.0. However, given you're upgrading from 8.1, then you will likely be using MBR + bsdlabel oldstyle partitioning, so probably tunefs(8) labelling would be the best choice to get you through the 8.1 -> 9.0 reboot. ie. Create the label: # tunefs -L ROOT /dev/as2s1a then edit /etc/fstab so the line for the root filesystem reads like so: /dev/ufs/ROOT / ufs rw 0 1 Repeat this for all the other UFS filesystems you have -- a good system is to label them according to their mountpoint (USR, VAR, HOME, LOCAL, and so forth.) This should work with both 8.1 and 9.0 kernels -- however, untested, so apply appropriate levels of caution. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:32:44 -0000 from Xavier : > I have: > casa# disktype /dev/da1 > --- /dev/da1 > Character device, size 3.771 GiB (4048551936 bytes) > FreeBSD boot loader (i386 boot2/BTX 1.02 at sector 2) > BSD disklabel (at sector 1), 8 partitions > Partition c: 2.145 GiB (2302711808 bytes, 4497484 sectors from 0) > Type 0 (Unused) > DOS/MBR partition map > Partition 1: 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 7438032 sectors from 63) > Type 0x83 (Linux) > Ext3 file system > UUID D1A7E6D6-3A34-4864-B6E8-C4DAA34AD776 (DCE, v4) > Last mounted at "/" > Volume size 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 929754 blocks of 4 KiB) > Partition 2: 227.5 MiB (238533120 bytes, 465885 sectors from 7438095) > Type 0x05 (Extended) > Partition 5: 227.5 MiB (238500864 bytes, 465822 sectors from 7438095+63) > Type 0x82 (Linux swap / Solaris) > Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian > Swap size 227.4 MiB (238489600 bytes, 58225 pages of 4 KiB) > I'm running from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE > I try: > casa# mount -t ext2fs /dev/da1a /mnt/JetFlash\ Transcend\ 4GB\ 1100/ > mount: /dev/da1a : Invalid argument > How can I mount it ? I'm confused between the BSD disklabel and DOS/MBR partition map. What does (running from Linux) fdisk -lu /dev/sdb (or whatever the Linux name for that disk is) show? How do you mount that Linux ext3fs partition in Linux? That knowledge might help me figure how to mount that partition from FreeBSD. I'm still not sure how or if FreeBSD supports ext3fs as opposed to ext2fs. I don't see the rationale for setting up an extended partition when you only use two partitions. The second (Linux swap) partition could be primary, and you would be well under the quota of four primary partitions. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 10:45:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2437106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1858FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr20 with SMTP id r20so1941180ghr.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:45:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u0GwcXrh1KcP7cBzQ9bSr3w2mF8gXcNMMwQud2++Jf8=; b=kNwkO+ZG+Ert/bWhcIC5wLeBs4R/nSeL8He+cU/fpn3yKQkIQjGInzuPItmtGpwV7X MnZubSXJqsPIPumswUhATnev4kR+motOHpDr9v2PgNr83Vak8GvLw2rskY2vswzxNEfO v6FwuZ/trJv6MgdaUzmWqvLMijDQh+9PLHlWf+s+S+85flJF2DHLtTd/JO4nAVo+Uawj ErNGAa6NHZpau3ntrNq+gTyH6bN5fPtuBvzeX82iYQvf2WdWZalN4wNaOnzT039hsgGG d/YfeLyOGe8GG7N6UyebkAia/xiL2fBvo0A3RDWX2vrS2isIiUME9RGa/NBhM2misvXp kHrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.197 with SMTP id u45mr2918502yhm.113.1333881915827; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.35.3 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 03:45:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:45:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Can FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE mount Ext3 file system ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:45:17 -0000 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 06:32:36AM -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote: Hi Thomas, > from Xavier : > > > I have: > > > casa# disktype /dev/da1 > > > --- /dev/da1 > > Character device, size 3.771 GiB (4048551936 bytes) > > FreeBSD boot loader (i386 boot2/BTX 1.02 at sector 2) > > BSD disklabel (at sector 1), 8 partitions > > Partition c: 2.145 GiB (2302711808 bytes, 4497484 sectors from 0) > > Type 0 (Unused) > > DOS/MBR partition map > > Partition 1: 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 7438032 sectors from 63) > > Type 0x83 (Linux) > > Ext3 file system > > UUID D1A7E6D6-3A34-4864-B6E8-C4DAA34AD776 (DCE, v4) > > Last mounted at "/" > > Volume size 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 929754 blocks of 4 KiB) > > Partition 2: 227.5 MiB (238533120 bytes, 465885 sectors from 7438095) > > Type 0x05 (Extended) > > Partition 5: 227.5 MiB (238500864 bytes, 465822 sectors from 7438095+63) > > Type 0x82 (Linux swap / Solaris) > > Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian > > Swap size 227.4 MiB (238489600 bytes, 58225 pages of 4 KiB) > > > I'm running from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE > > > I try: > > > casa# mount -t ext2fs /dev/da1a /mnt/JetFlash\ Transcend\ 4GB\ 1100/ > > mount: /dev/da1a : Invalid argument > > > How can I mount it ? > > I'm confused between the BSD disklabel and DOS/MBR partition map. > > What does (running from Linux) > > fdisk -lu /dev/sdb (or whatever the Linux name for that disk is) show? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'll run that command line from a GNU/Linux ( not from FreeBSD ) ? > > How do you mount that Linux ext3fs partition in Linux? That knowledge might help me figure how to mount that partition from FreeBSD. I don't probe it. /dev/da1 is a USB pen drive with GNU/Linux OS. Well, I wait to confirm that command ... Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 12:06:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFD7106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FC58FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2012 08:06:06 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BRO13638; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20353.32554.960087.215889@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:06:02 -0400 To: Antonio Olivares In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:06:13 -0000 Antonio Olivares writes: > Has anyone seen the following message: > > GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1? > > This is the first time I see this error message when running > ps2pdf on FreeBSD. Any pointers as to how to suppress these > messages when invoking ps2pdf? I have not seen this message. However, I note Freetype(2) recently had a minor version bump. Have you updated that port, and could this be the cause of this problem? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 12:40:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAAF106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613CD8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so1994070vcm.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z/4M7gaUSJcT3hAYvC9P56QxvNZk1O6pWuuWiPdN0HI=; b=mOwliuF05Med9IHhWsjL4xG9krRMvacLRVy5VE2sGzA4udq6ZOwsW/4TKjBgdRC682 TPsIDnniJFwImpdK3vmbQlMiEW+2bcxVWdAJLbg41K4k5f8dNIsdLQxyN/IopuUScN3T Jr4JwFKE4xJaslo2GQK2ClJpQOMoNWXFrqEUxLce2fRs8O0MvLs0NqSqftllYQIe4f/0 xcu3uKoqXAcLcrVOF5VFxOwT7r57AjjaNeyNSPWhqOxta5hu02P62h5qIXgd1LjOlBrq hdXCcobPlQvn7VzphrxBjTY/VsnQBwMfn83VHYzHdjoFhKUa/MEjxoThOATMwvMMxSBx gnxg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.152.205 with SMTP id h13mr2207333vcw.12.1333888812586; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:40:18 -0000 Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres Logos ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design . There is no natural flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helvetica. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 13:19:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF09106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C338FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q38DJ6Ii001044; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:19:09 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:18:22 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204082018.22045.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tony Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:19:23 -0000 Hi, not again. Erich On Sunday 08 April 2012 19:40:12 Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. > > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more > forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the > hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres > Logos > ) > > Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails > miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual > education in design . There is no natural > flow and the whole thing just > comes off as corny - > and this makes us all look bad. I also hear > PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for > stealing its design. > > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. > No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the > world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go > out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as > current now as it will be a hundred years from now. > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when > there's nothing left to take away." > > Tony > http://siegelgale.com/ > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 13:22:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C525A1065670 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FF08FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2646448vbm.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a/PFkjfdtp1zenMFCW9oTgMjdtKx83t+kuKRX+buyaM=; b=DQHymmW1DqtrtgLqAn+zEX1M9pfE9uxROzxEH2bR/hY8aUXCY1GbpvanSNukCAesoJ O+hqetsq1mmPCJwCM4Tp6DJDTKLXbF15gtCLy+G966MNoj7rtsn9poxStWAUq5ALCb6+ cU2NtQU5DnhRlLlYkHCPKGWebLFDn2EB0C20Hq7cTyxYlyG/QJlYOyXC5wtxn0v13nGe Zmh80NoWWbZJLFp7y79+Z1tmLVYdW/dXqobLJlFS2vEdcawnlS+G5lSc1x25y2UDiUSF NKz8zU+pvmOBcKqMMgvVQg0faxgzrRvnUTqkYeczBBUTZDPwKj2CsaPv05Oh+mUmceDo pvPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.70 with SMTP id k6mr1685817vdf.86.1333891367706; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:22:49 -0000 Hello! I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scene (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? Why is FreeBSD hosting only reserved for the upper class, while the rest of us have to "settle for Linux"? Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once regular people gets access to it. Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of the future. Just look at how well low-cost airlinesare doing. Thanks! Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 13:51:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A541106564A; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from airosovicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F978FC08; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so6415120obb.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Tv/dVUjHuwiP14PXK5MvRzVhthLXyvXIoZ5HQ9jsdpU=; b=dx2+0/Mrv1Cer9sZYrbsHZzAsxwkoTfOPIOEeMHtXTRbs/hw6sGoJX5fKCj4K5rOjp 20Q8lzF30sAtXt8m6bcCaBFbXLr6UbC797+Nl+GQG8HIjJ0j0C+Fe8GFGv6JRrEvDbFY F5CwjFqKcdmPEMNoPsxgitHp5AvdlZDr1fjH7rTIqfzTjJGaBn8GLxBxqr892Dj9MzCJ RUDWULWm1qbPgYo9R1FI6c7sCp7YuwJvjhp9K7xVOpSrmAtNylluLAYRuW7Q9AtQx7VK TL3uhsBQoc92cOSR6J6F7QULux2k/h+XCCQTYP/3U6jOhLjLtGeI7gp9GQshia5LjNHJ rS8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.74.8 with SMTP id p8mr5795147obv.41.1333893100125; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.37.225 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:51:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?QWlyb3NvzrJpY3ogZmIu?= To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Matthew Seaman Subject: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:51:41 -0000 Hi Matthew, Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wrote: > > So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 & now the system can't mount in single > > user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. > > As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to > the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. > It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 & ad2s1a do.. > One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the > loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode > Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. The preferred method nowadays is to label the partitions, so probably > tunefs(8) labelling would be the best choice to get you through > the 8.1 -> 9.0 reboot. ie. Create the label: > > # tunefs -L ROOT /dev/as2s1a > # man 8 tunefs: The tunefs can not be run on an active filesystem. To change an active filesystem it must be downgraded to read only or to unmounted.. [Which I've done with # mount -r -f..] # tunefs: /dev/ad2s1a: failed to write superblock.. I've updated the /etc/fstab with the ROOT label but I can't get the single-user mount nor the tunefs to work.. Regards, E. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:06:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5530D106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348D28FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=YhPGaPwRZlplFjNV0MOf4Vq7/0po/YhkD/lYNUNW/P8=; b=d1qrAyyx5py/478QAsa88j/ubWCZUcmRAe0s/Vd0QR3PDT48G8zE2Rd9AWJIaRNnu8nRY1fzAWeEFiux2NKdnHQVx+YBLANJuIm04HHFXt+k4EvfYobb8zpP0KJH7Ual+5Da79KxZlBkwroWgMaNTPs9zYs/F6okmfZoIWAjZds= Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.209.140]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4F819B4C.1030004@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:06:04 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2012 14:06:07.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE005860:01CD1590] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:06:12 -0000 Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. > Since you seem to know so much about web design WHY don't you create your version for review and maybe acceptance if the community likes it? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm53923847yhk.0.2012.04.08.07.30.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 07:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3VQcVn04H1z2CG5m for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:30:08 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120408103008.7fab29b4@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWSm3+ZPphsx0w66NEEdSpNMkRyNuzmSzaOkgS3S+Y8uM+qxhXiHcOF2QfJmYXADbwpqK2 Subject: Re: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:30:12 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200 Tony articulated: > Just look at how well low-cost airlines > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF724106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jwest@ezwind.net) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [209.145.140.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6628FC08 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from LENOVOD6B52A6B by ezwind.net (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id 35-md50000130159.msg for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:37:16 -0500 From: "Jay West" To: "'Tony'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01cd1595$17fd2970$47f77c50$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0VisZJg7wKNyx0QmufA6KAaqkW4wABU/pQ Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-Spam-Processed: gateway.ezwind.net, Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:37:16 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 71.14.76.230 X-Return-Path: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:37:24 -0000 Tony wrote... ------------------- I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scene (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? ------------------- One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) environments. The answer is: 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the right direction, but really not the answer. 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice features aren't available. If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a guest in XenServer hosting providers. J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:39:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF541065670; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A608FC08; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q38Ed4KZ007736; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q38Ed40c007733; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: =?ISO-8859-7?Q?Airoso=E2icz_fb=2E?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:39:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Matthew Seaman , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:39:10 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Airoso?icz fb. wrote: > It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from > ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original > post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 & ad2s1a do.. ada device numbering is relative, so the first drive found is always ada0. If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been removed from the custom kernel. > # man 8 tunefs: The tunefs can not be run on an active filesystem. > To change an active filesystem it must be downgraded to read only or > to unmounted.. [Which I've done with # mount -r -f..] > > # tunefs: /dev/ad2s1a: failed to write superblock.. > > I've updated the /etc/fstab with the ROOT label but I can't get the > single-user mount nor the tunefs to work.. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/labels.html shows a full example. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 14:42:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47D7106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jwest@ezwind.net) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [209.145.140.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD288FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from LENOVOD6B52A6B by ezwind.net (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id 42-md50000130140.msg for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:41:22 -0500 From: "Jay West" To: "'Adam Vande More'" References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0UbUer4HBtbFpyTgOKPLy1f4RuzwBJ/YuQ Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-Spam-Processed: gateway.ezwind.net, Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:41:22 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 71.14.76.230 X-Return-Path: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: 'mikel king' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Token Ring (really) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:42:00 -0000 Adam wrote... Otherwise, it's time to abandon steamships for airplanes. Sounds like you have a primed business opportunity just waiting to be exploited. ----------- Actually, this is for a historical re-creation project. Airplanes would be entirely inappropriate for a historical display, so steamships it is. Last I checked, there was no primed business opportunity in doing something for non-profits (museums, etc.) :) I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x. Probably above my skillset, but I'll have a looksee. J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 16:17:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E57106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935EB8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6716541iah.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:17:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eHvSga7Vd+9kDY7c7HcG8aKnaGG3up0fb+d2g2APvZs=; b=Jnj9jckmtXpjlymQGlBU6zS0yBbacBYi/dPAhSB7cjBEVPNm5AMAcgjZH6Jkar7Rtf VleHzz3wV9sHvEvfDMWNVVPMOSV8wuyyd4yxoQ3qiJJyqNchWEOhlQg5vXQE2SM+j3y+ a88H7V8E414rcr/mewxrzA+8trshSGLJSHLFpFdY6hW29OoYfnOyPh5HGM+d8uspcrok lx7rGoIPg6QkGR27drF6N2mEswfn892xiINAcemlUrH8Wy7XusdXI28OP1IRuEzFgT84 c3KIL9HKvKfLw/uh5qg4+YAPDPwGJg4tHDw5VvPJ1pQGGKDAYI7vE+mslwCGHzfzBnRn y2hw== Received: by 10.42.139.9 with SMTP id e9mr2448030icu.43.1333901864088; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id md6sm28233242igc.0.2012.04.08.09.17.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F81BA14.6030706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 11:17:24 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:17:44 -0000 On 4/8/2012 8:51 AM, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. > > On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: >>> So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0& now the system can't mount in single >>> user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. >> > > >> As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to >> the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. >> > > It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from > ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original > post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1& ad2s1a do.. > > >> One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the >> loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode >> > > Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. > When you get to the loader, escape to the loader prompt. Then type lsdev to see what the loader finds. You'll have to find which one looks right, and type that into the mount failed prompt. After it's done booting, check /dev to make sure it looks right and change your fstab. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 16:21:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2E6106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7178FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6719351iah.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Gz6+IhAG7r/IDgKCfh2upYnZVXLgWWtFHkdjIq3osg=; b=iHGN3uV8zyjgGYn8aVtvzUyzutufyj/dn59z2HN61Exdlp0IT3LwLx1dWq+SWItkY0 DQDmzBCQ2cKU3nnxUx6t0hJ/n/bnVc8p3xjP9WZICvuNcSxEAW1fTKV7dYNqPB6+KemI f5B4AqNXcqk/qcZj/DpMTqSEyA1OKVS7UWm07sTwtaRDI7agDeLmxwp/fCeDYuDFVgqB czxIwSg9yWOl2MDZ1bLyRBfCyIXj9YAMmw6+cPSc5i0ueM1IqAQnMEDA/q+7IOSEnM1J rzpYMFTSGiSXjTUGyXPu2L1W422ILSW4Xx/3dKSAUumcqQnfPjq9eihkRrfCVSdnzHwO /WUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.138 with SMTP id v10mr3031728igm.18.1333902069281; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.65.72 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20353.32554.960087.215889@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20353.32554.960087.215889@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:21:09 -0000 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Antonio Olivares writes: > >> =A0Has anyone seen the following message: >> >> =A0GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return= code =3D -1? >> >> =A0This is the first time I see this error message when running >> =A0ps2pdf on FreeBSD. =A0Any pointers as to how to suppress these >> =A0messages when invoking ps2pdf? > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I have not seen this message. =A0However, I note Freetype(= 2) > recently had a minor version bump. Have you updated that port, and > could this be the cause of this problem? > That is it. The update in ports cures this message :) Thanks for the information. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 17:16:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E217106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521B78FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa07 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q38Gui1b023569; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:51 -0500 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 1434n69ax7-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:16:51 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.101] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:16:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <037B3FEC-F9C0-434F-BB9A-C299D4BE45B5@fisglobal.com> References: To: Tony X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-08_06:2012-04-05, 2012-04-08, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:16:58 -0000 On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Tony wrote: > Hello! >=20 > As much as I love FreeBSD, [snip] > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. [snip] > Tony [snip] > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ It's like a punch-line almost. I admit to enjoying the "Helvetica Trailer" video linked-to above. I even admit to liking the proposed motto's. But I disagree with any sentiment that designcouncil.org.uk embodies the sa= me clean lines and well-thought-out design that is being encouraged here. M= ost egregious is the mishmash of serif with sans-serif and misaligned conte= nt areas. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 17:51:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C29106566B for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8355F8FC14 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so6791520iah.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ukvSKSZKm4kif46c/6wI7cEgWPVgZU5nENT15z03JAc=; b=DNEHMTWKnJk7crswSk2AZNIqdHCzULNqjJKFyNiwDm8ZDDMrH0JpNasrLYVb05nzSJ EOBOXCaBAgGs1o3PVKrDLcsTF7UgWCX75AGkqgsT9U0t42elpce2sORxtLWbBaYMrM/y hmb5B7JwePcpMZZ3Qh1SqD/os3wLHyJGFx2GK0hlBkdW7IEZMkv+NMMj+a2iqLCNbWoM qS0nswZheOnklS8+1jRrJ/PdhySiL1EmYKmyQc8XHHP4gAbQWlefTPWz8PKDwXTHeT3j 6rYTrFfjlxX4nrifTYn1cSNL6qYfmb7UgozPVVcTCYjEiKkTv2ATcwHUdky4EDbTsJxE JIlw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.138 with SMTP id v10mr3154374igm.18.1333907457610; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.65.72 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: icedtea-web with openjdk 7? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:51:03 -0000 Dear folks, I am seeing that java 7 is now available and there is an openjdk 7 port. I have a question. I just want to have java jre only. Is there a way to use openjdk 7 with FreeBSD? and configure icedtea-web to use it? It selects openjdk6 as its dependency when configuring the port. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 21:44:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB0A106564A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7D48FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wern13 with SMTP id n13so3037205wer.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uX0QjLr6B52hFG7ioOpDJI/XNhLqu9LMl3DGCkeHlR4=; b=rfdQ3gygyKHFbGteKAa3nkoSXT0dBCR4ibJw+xkG3/cN1KTbRlcWXSKFf/jYZ3147N CX2kaDtGwb/FfHkzn+p3ebWLU1Bx71xChNmlWItfdDIGJkpVVnVV5IZt92p5qABuadem hYrWyVJKyJ/V8p49F//HB6DR00UuO5fuH2kGVQ1pqaSahLEVa/DSm0onGqiCsgQzrzAa 9MA3abDdFI78e+1oRqXnHDJH0LxoOp1YmjmZSKOLPqYtfTvnq3LzhCkacVnjnoHKG7jX ojDRFNqacFVawy0HJk4jPK38VNt07az4y4A4NclwfkEISKltHteODokaNzDr5+RD8D/v 1YBA== Received: by 10.216.85.81 with SMTP id t59mr2998757wee.28.1333921490573; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd4sm40938801wib.6.2012.04.08.14.44.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:44:47 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:44:52 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 Tony wrote: > Tony > http://siegelgale.com/ The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page bangs-on about simplifying, and has a "fight bloat on your website" link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 23:04:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A99C1065670 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0AF8FC0C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Apr 2012 23:03:55 -0000 Received: from g229013113.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO [192.168.178.28]) [92.229.13.113] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us008) with SMTP; 08 Apr 2012 19:03:55 -0400 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18NPgRYNukNSr+lju11bTwcTLZpw86d1ttPbI3nSi UXlMATQHIcJsrc Message-ID: <4F821954.1060302@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:03:48 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay West References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> In-Reply-To: <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: 'Adam Vande More' , 'mikel king' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Token Ring (really) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:04:03 -0000 On 4/8/2012 4:41 PM, Jay West wrote: > Adam wrote... > > Otherwise, it's time to abandon steamships for airplanes. Sounds like you > have a primed business opportunity just waiting to be exploited. > > ----------- > Actually, this is for a historical re-creation project. Airplanes would be > entirely inappropriate for a historical display, so steamships it is. Last I > checked, there was no primed business opportunity in doing something for > non-profits (museums, etc.) :) > > I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x > and get it running under 9x. Probably above my skillset, but I'll have a > looksee. > > J > Hi, You could try finding an "ethernet to token ring" translating bridge, though I am not aware of the budget will need - or if you'll find one anyways. Just a thought, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 23:49:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1995C106566C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC3A8FC15 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4287B5C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:02:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F8223FB.8070305@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:49:15 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F81BA14.6030706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F81BA14.6030706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:49:24 -0000 On 04/09/12 02:17, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 4/8/2012 8:51 AM, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: >> Hi Matthew, >> >> Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. >> >> On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: >>>> So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0& now the system can't mount in >>>> single >>>> user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. >>> >> >> >>> As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to >>> the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. >>> >> >> It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from >> ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original >> post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1& ad2s1a >> do.. >> >> >>> One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the >>> loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode >>> >> >> Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. >> > > When you get to the loader, escape to the loader prompt. Then type > lsdev to see what the loader finds. You'll have to find which one > looks right, and type that into the mount failed prompt. After it's > done booting, check /dev to make sure it looks right and change your > fstab. From a theoretical point of view (I'll have to consider this for my own needs in the near future) I'd say the labeling option mentioned by Warren would be better for the long term. It may seem a little complicated to setup but it will work just about anywhere. If you continue with devices as you are at the moment you run the risk of having this trouble every time something changes. My 2c. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 00:00:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDAC106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43EF8FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D743A5C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:14:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F82269C.2030701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:00:28 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:00:30 -0000 On 04/09/12 07:44, RW wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 > Tony wrote: > >> Tony >> http://siegelgale.com/ > The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. > > Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page > bangs-on about simplifying, and has a "fight bloat on your website" > link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. > > It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page > move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can > forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. > The FreeBSD site is accessible (as is legal required) and to the point. That is what matters. It provides all the information needed and communicates it exceedingly well. FreeBSD is a no nonsense get the job done without bloat OS: the site communicates that as well, and communication is not just about the words. My 2c. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 01:08:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DC6106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9798FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q390oSZn071636; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q390oS9R071635; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:50:28 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Jay West Message-ID: <20120409005028.GB71564@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000a01cd1595$17fd2970$47f77c50$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000a01cd1595$17fd2970$47f77c50$@net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: 'Tony' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:08:59 -0000 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 09:37:15AM -0500, Jay West wrote: > Tony wrote... > ------------------- > I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based > hosting providers in the modern web development > scene (Rackspace, > Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are > some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but > those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. > > Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? > ------------------- > > One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) > > I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have > to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's > fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) > environments. The answer is: > > 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the > running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the > right direction, but really not the answer. > 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without > it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting > environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice > features aren't available. > > If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a > guest in XenServer hosting providers. Well, guess you and Tony have some work to do then. I expect it will be more than a weekend project for you. ////jerry > > J > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 01:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7A106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828DF8FC0A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds12 with SMTP id ds12so3801390wgb.31 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W+ywC4sikLknQTMy4RVZ4EmVH2CFiwQa+1AjwZHhvn4=; b=gidXCXSutODHTXey9hWQr627Y4JLYhFCNIixwBL1F4eH8mpcRbDcXdDWTgA5N0/2OT 8XbzwHDT2OIc/7we3SrIf2TF3Ltrt6ArTUWzakijtj/wPKG9aomEfEiiHKEhqS0T/zM/ DBl+lcwXZ8Q9aLQiMjHys5JxlhgAo9Op0NE7cufQgn9XoJPHzB3OabMW70A3I61ofjMQ hvtUOI5jwGWdoSzrSNiVxMhpaun8IOP21nOwEHTuiqsnDS6Cp/PJ5A1pi9eMALoP2NOZ s+m2lVLTbXuvZ+pQScW0KbWdnxT5ryBIQJMHyLpwzq5YrpBcyduHKL2x6TpaGFsYo0ZJ oFkw== Received: by 10.180.95.37 with SMTP id dh5mr12320842wib.8.1333935242466; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff9sm26432429wib.2.2012.04.08.18.34.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:33:59 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120409023359.57387483@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20120408224447.692a9e2a@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:34:04 -0000 On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:25:54 +0200 Mikkel Bang wrote: > Den 23:44 8. april 2012 skrev RW > f=F8lgende: >=20 > > > > The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. > > > > Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page > > bangs-on about simplifying, and has a "fight bloat on your website" > > link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. > > > > It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page > > move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can > > forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. > > >=20 > I understand you're trying to stand up for FreeBSD,=20 You understand wrongly. I don't really care about the FreeBSD site. I genuinely think that Siegel+Gale have a substandard website. Take a look at the Royal Academy and Design Council sites he linked - it's not in the same league. > but what you're > saying makes little sense. Siegel+Gale is one of the world's most > respected design agencies. And like, who are you?=20 So what are you saying? - I'm automatically wrong (irrespective of the facts) because they're respected design agency and I'm a nobody - You didn't understand what I wrote.=20 - you disagree with a specific point that you're not bothering to mention >Haters gonna hate. I'm not a hater. I'm at most a mocker. In particular I find it amusing that their own website fails to follow the vision that they advocate for other peoples. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 04:04:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E3E106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 04:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eam1edward@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317278FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 04:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so7066640obb.13 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OjMDyp3HWodqlNpyQB+lT/IPses8cI9iA4Hi6UcLxRM=; b=SdLz5LSlhByWQEcTbEeyW6JrMC6tP//Vojb0yyfJDGlUPUvRPWAFw2lKCB7RZXv0qj jcSbHR2pLjp6a3Wol6QoTdwm5eheWGgswMwdr34anWOIGNlDIUkDw/BcA672cKOdVP0c +rTH4iC6IRT0fa76DNlcixK9LoFItPrWle9HmkOUZR8eKlzPSYECa1H2Qw9Fals3fuOK XaklJbLZ6Jcso5Clf/hoVb32ZVSV4wS5pA7D8adpE8viNxzp/f4LGnpe49qe6kYmKuCh Sp6pnXbTD7db7uhwTv7zgHBt5HopFbEV52wnoLyOeUpvbe40rBx09v3rq1tePdjIZD2z pH6g== Received: by 10.60.27.170 with SMTP id u10mr8059934oeg.50.1333944248802; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([174.134.109.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id om2sm15111181obc.6.2012.04.08.21.04.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F8260DD.5040204@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:09:01 -0700 From: Edward M User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:04:09 -0000 On 04/08/2012 05:40 AM, Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. > > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more > forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the > hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres > Logos > ) > > Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails > miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual > education in design. There is no natural > flow and the whole thing just > comes off as corny - > and this makes us all look bad. I also hear > PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for > stealing its design. > > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. > No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the > world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go > out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as > current now as it will be a hundred years from now. > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when > there's nothing left to take away." > > Tony > http://siegelgale.com/ > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Now your are starting to sound like a troll. get lost From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 05:53:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E581065672 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 05:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D7D8FC0A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 05:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-101-40.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.101.40]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE45C24720; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:52:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q395quaG002051; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:52:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:52:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tony Message-Id: <20120409075256.577df938.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 05:53:05 -0000 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200, Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. What's wrong with it? It's very accessible (especially for blind users) and it presents the availabe information in a structured way. Sure, it does not use many of today's "modern" extensions to get simple things done, as it uses _simple_ things to get them done (e. g. a href= for a link istead of "Flash"), but that's not a problem in my opinion. The pages load fast, they display well in all four major browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera), and it even renders properly in browsers with limited abilities (lynx, links, w3m, dillo). Your next point: Corporate identity. I sadly fail to see where FreeBSD can be seen as a corporation. It's rather a community, having some core installations, but it's not a company that has to maintain a specific "design" across all its products. However, FreeBSD's projects are consistent regarding naming and logos. > Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. In your opinion, what would you consider a good example to imitiate, or at least to consider as a source of inspiration? I don't say design couldn't be improved - but what are _your_ opinions in how it should be done? Can you be more specific? > A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. Hmmm... I always thought exactly that is what the "landing page" of the FreeBSD project already is. You're describing the status quo. > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more > forced than well thought out. That may be due to the reason that those are different project which are somewhat independent. The home page is a different thing than the documentation (different maintainers, different projects), and the wiki, as well as other sources, are "associated projects" not governed by the the "core team" of the FreeBSD project. > First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) [...] Despite you say the opposite, it's not. :-) > [...] that might look cool > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the > hell *is* that thing anyway"? It's a logo, nothing more, nothing less. There are many logos in the corporate world that raise the question of "What _is_ this?!", and even in some cases, it cannot be answered because it's _nothing_ (except a graphical exercise). See the logo in that way, and see the mascot. Both of them are not satanic. They have horns, the mascot has a tail. A bull also has horns and a tail. Is it satanic therefore? Would you refuse to eat a steak because it might be satanic as well? > (ref: Tres > Logos > ) This reference cannot be reviewed for free, so I sadly have to discard it. If you could be more specific on the FreeBSD case, please _be_ more specific. > Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails > miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual > education in design . No, the design caters the _content_. That is the purpose of design aiming at the designated target audience. > There is no natural > flow and the whole thing just > comes off as corny - > and this makes us all look bad. I also hear > PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for > stealing its design. Let's watch the result of the lawsuit then. :-) > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. I don't think you can consider a font being the center of a web design. What if that font isn't even installed? What if a blind user accesses the page? Even though I like the Helvetica font, I believe it's not enough, and even not possible to "design around" a font. Or am I misunderstanding your intention? > No devil logo, [...] There already is no devil logo. > [...] no bells and whistles, [...] Fully agreed, and already present. > "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when > there's nothing left to take away." Very good. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 06:01:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E093A106566B for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDEB8FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-101-40.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.101.40]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B401E2B3; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q396157e002086; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:01:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:01:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tony Message-Id: <20120409080105.002d0aaf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 06:01:07 -0000 Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeat >>>NO<<< means to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running. That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion. On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote: > Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once > regular people gets access to it. FreeBSD has no "market share", if you apply the term correctly, as it is not part of "the market". > Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of > the future. I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of "cloud computing" prices are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future. "Unlimited data" is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance. > Just look at how well low-cost > airlinesare > doing. Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel. Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited. If you consider such things "on the long run", you will surely have to admit that a short-time strategy ("being cheap right now") does not pay. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 06:10:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC466106566C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EF668FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1951 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2012 06:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2012 06:10:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=rG8SHTeN2lHCUYuWw2m+hfHVq3vQN+lG95m+lQ+XkIA=; b=ZKaT4v0E7D+0x7CG0d240m1izDvZoYaBrH8NmRni2uLX7zN0MMMCK68AqXlfot5d8CTadhqZ5C+zE83ZI8GVpns8u9+Dc5A/ybAs7N42kOR0cxMobrQIOhBJtbfO5v1f; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SH7oI-0002eH-K1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:10:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:10:41 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120409061041.GA19613@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <037B3FEC-F9C0-434F-BB9A-C299D4BE45B5@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <037B3FEC-F9C0-434F-BB9A-C299D4BE45B5@fisglobal.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 06:10:43 -0000 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 10:16:49AM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: > On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Tony wrote: > > > > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ > > It's like a punch-line almost. > > I admit to enjoying the "Helvetica Trailer" video linked-to above. > > I even admit to liking the proposed motto's. > > But I disagree with any sentiment that designcouncil.org.uk embodies > the same clean lines and well-thought-out design that is being > encouraged here. Most egregious is the mishmash of serif with > sans-serif and misaligned content areas. I thought maybe you were just being snarky here, but then I took a look at the site. I actually had a minimal "education" in design, once upon a time, and the first thing I think when I see the Design Council site is "Was that thing designed by children?" It is nothing like what Tony suggests would be a good approach to the design of the FreeBSD site, which is actually a good recommendation for the design he suggests for the FreeBSD site. Gawd, it's comically bad for something called the "Design Council", unless you take the name as an ironic reference to the idea that design by committee is a horrible idea. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 07:08:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7B5106566B for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:08:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9D68FC16 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF3835C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F828B07.9000706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:08:55 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120409080105.002d0aaf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120409080105.002d0aaf.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD losing market share? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:08:58 -0000 On 04/09/12 16:01, Polytropon wrote: > Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the > purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented > company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can > hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure > its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model > where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD > as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he > likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned > into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different > company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an > embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that > company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeat>>>NO<<< means > to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running. > That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that > you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion. > > > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote: >> Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once >> regular people gets access to it. > FreeBSD has no "market share", if you apply the term correctly, > as it is not part of "the market". And regular people already can access it. They can use it freely as much as they like and get free help to boot (though I hope they reciprocate in kind in some way). Unlike certain OS you have to actually pay for to use and pay to get help, such as a certain popular OS which supposedly has 90% market share and gives all a headache... ;) Community is a so much nicer term for this phenomena. > > >> Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of >> the future. > I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of "cloud computing" prices > are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency > is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this > approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future. > "Unlimited data" is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear > in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance. > > > >> Just look at how well low-cost >> airlinesare >> doing. > Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel. > Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited. > If you consider such things "on the long run", you will surely have > to admit that a short-time strategy ("being cheap right now") does > not pay. > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 07:10:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7431B106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA9A8FC1E for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q397AhoA021079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q397AhvQ021078; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA18160; Mon, 9 Apr 12 00:05:31 PDT Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:04:27 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: jwest@ezwind.net Message-Id: <4f82ec6b.0EU1Qc3X9OJZStzI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> In-Reply-To: <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: amvandemore@gmail.com, mikel.king@olivent.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Token Ring (really) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:10:51 -0000 "Jay West" wrote: > this is for a historical re-creation project ... > > I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank > the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x. Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the historical era being re-created? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 10:14:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C302A106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466408FC18 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so4167006bkc.13 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:14:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pX9GBnh56SbCfIcZ1GTMpjzWzB9GDgSp8p+b4DeyVKg=; b=h81Uvy45bek3rxxeVHCKZnGBt7Faf16OS3C94eeazXpVLhAoCxvYo76Vc7PxSjCSNB ys2UNlNm4YOU/eX5pWgAthTVQ+guGhvm9pwJb2ix1NR8lWoifC1hI3W8JGgs98RcTaEX rILgluF1awvh27juSKz23Pf0pvxuuCG2dFOuX5sW1WnvSL/Gcc8phsyKucoTDDlG081H o+lPuMXQW0Lr36jPhsV5KT17Hzspld78gHMHhhhPb4RPHW6If8NkXd1o3FXkKT4GLlOK SFcq9F4Kin0PaD6/G9h+NGy6wT67x5Y/p4JcTJyhX4pfGKuy7znHWFMM2/VdkAPxGAvO o/AQ== Received: by 10.204.152.27 with SMTP id e27mr2781848bkw.55.1333966447317; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from green.tandem.local (25-191-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net. [95.132.191.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z17sm29047223bkw.12.2012.04.09.03.14.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F82B66B.1030608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:14:03 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aleksandr Miroslav References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how often to update ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:14:08 -0000 Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: > How often do you folks update your ports/packages. I was manging two > servers for years for my personal web/email, and I've rarely gone for > more than 3 months with any single package being not up to date, > usually about once a month I would update all my ports. > > > Recently, in the past few months or so, I've added several more > servers, I currently have around 10 servers that I'm managing, and > because of changes in my work schedule, it has become somewhat quite > tedious to do this (keep ports updated as frequently, I mean). > >> From what I've gleaned from this list and other BSD mailing lists that > I'm on, is that some people don't update their port-installed packages > nearly as frequently (security patches/updates aside). Some people go > for months/years without doing so. > > So I'm curious, how often do you keep your ports update, and what are > the reasons for doing so? I update my desktops daily. The process is streamlined and doesn't need an eye on it. I'm updating servers weekly or so. This means I have smaller blob of updates and almost never face large updates that broke everything. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 10:49:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35411065673 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4BC8FC0A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [109.85.58.25] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1SHC5A-0006k2-RI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:44:25 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:34:55 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120409123455.15444b24@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20120409075256.577df938.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120409075256.577df938.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/rCTlEa2keP+fo5ySTFaEZ1Q"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:49:46 -0000 --Sig_/rCTlEa2keP+fo5ySTFaEZ1Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200, Tony wrote: > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corpora= te > > identity. >=20 > What's wrong with it? It's very accessible (especially for > blind users) and it presents the availabe information in a > structured way. Sure, it does not use many of today's "modern" > extensions to get simple things done, as it uses _simple_ things > to get them done (e. g. a href=3D for a link istead of "Flash"), > but that's not a problem in my opinion. The pages load fast, > they display well in all four major browsers (Firefox, Chrome, > Safari, Opera), and it even renders properly in browsers with > limited abilities (lynx, links, w3m, dillo). Actually the site does not "display well" in all four major browsers in general: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D91539 It might work with your browser configuration but it fails with others. And while it might (or might not) be accessible for blind users, visually impaired users run into problems if they increase the browser's default font size. Fabian --Sig_/rCTlEa2keP+fo5ySTFaEZ1Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk+Cu1IACgkQBYqIVf93VJ1EhACfaIayDFkLImSPxdY9y9RRvnR+ 3PIAn2TilTa/hT+RSBWzp4IyJOCRud1N =KEFR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/rCTlEa2keP+fo5ySTFaEZ1Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 10:55:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46755106566B for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestions@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BDA8FC16 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so2114884ggn.13 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:55:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4nOMkZn3dgxP/pJ+z/Ot/EsisRMc7hhm7ByQnAFaU40=; b=FCEP8bu1zq9IFWRfcKw8DLGLdbHMK2IGnCNaf6wT4rr2OC6SaXfdWgcBMPwA3KPmxX 7+VL9d/jkDKvfyFF2+7gUhHAb5hLgarKr1+U71Ko5lyg6T8QPPg4sGoWvyVWRLKNA6vd IwPPaN+2v6qECUNTtcbySfvIAdS4VDg32PdOK9I3GjaqF0dAvOydczNmh074Yffx2+06 ZzmZz/X8r+JRypQzZ1JcmIAwKrHHIq1DU92NA6sMSzBDddvcbWuP3v+y728QHCjxjv5l eB2L0kxcvrsV2apWJIunzCAL8ImGLu+LzugejRdxVlMCMUsgnJlXSnLPlquGHPigE9vW 4Dpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.79.8 with SMTP id h8mr5459423yhe.79.1333968906251; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.35.3 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 03:55:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> References: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:55:06 +0200 Message-ID: From: Xavier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: problem with Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:55:07 -0000 On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 12:38:45PM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: Hi Bernt, > Hello list. > > When I try to start X I'm getting this error > > X.Org X Server 1.7.7 > Release Date: 2010-05-04 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 > Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD > 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 > root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM > > Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 9 12:30:37 2012 Please, can you paste ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thsi file to ie. pastebin.com and share the URL ? For better help. Thanks, see you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 11:03:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D2B106566B for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333058FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0F805C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:17:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F82C20F.9070904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:03:43 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problem with Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:03:47 -0000 On 04/09/12 20:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Hello list. > > When I try to start X I'm getting this error Yep. This one will be fun... :) > > X.Org X Server 1.7.7 > Release Date: 2010-05-04 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 > Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD > 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 > root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM > > Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 9 12:30:37 2012 > (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) > (EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data > object. > (EE) Failed to load module "fbdevhw" (invalid module, 0) > Setting master > The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 > symbols > > Ignoring extra symbols > Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server > xinit: connection to X server lost > > waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master First some questions: 1. Does the machine lock up when you run X? 2. Do you know what video card you're using? 3. What is the output of pciconf -lv, dmesg? 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? Finally, can you change the driver setting in the xorg.conf.new to vesa and run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it works then? Good luck! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 11:54:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00B7106566C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5918F8FC1D for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Apr 2012 07:54:34 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BKW20984; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:54:32 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Apr 2012 07:54:32 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20354.52727.340223.760020@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:54:31 -0400 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4f82ec6b.0EU1Qc3X9OJZStzI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> <4f82ec6b.0EU1Qc3X9OJZStzI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, amvandemore@gmail.com, jwest@ezwind.net, mikel.king@olivent.com Subject: Re: Token Ring (really) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:54:37 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com writes: > Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal > easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to > the historical era being re-created? And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 11:57:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4BE106566C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4895A8FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A0D45C22 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:10:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F82CE99.2060005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:57:13 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> <4F82C20F.9070904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F82CA46.7000700@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F82CA46.7000700@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problem with Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:57:15 -0000 On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-04-09 13:03, Da Rock skrev: >> On 04/09/12 20:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> Hello list. >>> >>> When I try to start X I'm getting this error >> >> Yep. This one will be fun... :) >>> >>> X.Org X Server 1.7.7 >>> Release Date: 2010-05-04 >>> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 >>> Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 >>> Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD >>> 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 >>> root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >>> Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM >>> >>> Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 >>> Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org >>> to make sure that you have the latest version. >>> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, >>> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, >>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. >>> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 9 12:30:37 2012 >>> (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) >>> (EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data >>> object. >>> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdevhw" (invalid module, 0) >>> Setting master >>> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: >>>> Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 >>> symbols >>>> Ignoring extra symbols >>> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server >>> xinit: connection to X server lost >>> >>> waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master >> >> First some questions: >> >> 1. Does the machine lock up when you run X? > > No It doesn't but no picture. > >> 2. Do you know what video card you're using? > > Intel 845 > >> 3. What is the output of pciconf -lv, dmesg? > > pciconf -lv > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x25608086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = 'DRAM Controller / Host-Hub I/F Bridge > (82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE)' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x25628086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE Integrated Graphics Device' > class = display > subclass = VGA > uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24c28086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI > Controller *1' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24c48086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI > Controller *2' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24cd8086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI > Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > pcib1@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x244e8086 > rev=0x81 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub > Interface to PCI Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24c08086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-ISA > atapci0@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24cb8086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA/100 EIDE Controller' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > pcm0@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x00ad0e11 chip=0x24c58086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = 'Realtek AC97 Audio (82801DBM SoundMAXController > (ICH4-M B0 step))' > class = multimedia > subclass = audio > fxp0@pci0:5:8:0: class=0x020000 card=0x00120e11 chip=0x103b8086 > rev=0x81 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) PRO/100 VM Network > Connection' > class = network > subclass = ethernet > >> 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? > > No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL. Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that is the only way. As a last chance perhaps run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new -retro and see if it does happen to work; this shows up the old test pattern so that you can see that X is actually running instead of a black screen. > >> Finally, can you change the driver setting in the xorg.conf.new to vesa >> and run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it works then? > > Well, starting X from remote it seems to catch on. > > Hmmm....Only as root. Well I'll try to rebuild it without SUID. > > This is from remote AND root > > X.Org X Server 1.7.7 > Release Date: 2010-05-04 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 > Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD > 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 > root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM > > Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 9 13:27:32 2012 > (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) > (EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data > object. > (EE) Failed to load module "fbdevhw" (invalid module, 0) > Setting master > > ^Cxinit: connection to X server lost > > waiting for X server to shut down xterm: fatal IO error 35 (Resource > temporarily unavailable) or KillClient on X server ":0" > xterm: fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) or > KillClient on X server ":0" > XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Unknown error: 0) on X server ":0" > after 576 requests (576 known processed) with 0 events remaining. > xterm: fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) or > KillClient on X server ":0" > Dropping master > > xinit: unexpected signal 2 > > > >> Good luck! > > I'll need it thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 13:42:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9421065693 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jwest@ezwind.net) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [209.145.140.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D678FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from LENOVOD6B52A6B by ezwind.net (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id 25-md50000130208.msg for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:42:23 -0500 From: "Jay West" To: "'Robert Huff'" , References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> <4f82ec6b.0EU1Qc3X9OJZStzI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20354.52727.340223.760020@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20354.52727.340223.760020@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001601cd1656$97de28d0$c79a7a70$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0WR5txzo7DeJQvQViidjJZs7W6lQACjebA Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-Spam-Processed: gateway.ezwind.net, Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:42:23 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 66.128.111.62 X-Return-Path: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: amvandemore@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, mikel.king@olivent.com Subject: RE: Token Ring (really- and why) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:42:27 -0000 It was written.... ------------------- > Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal > easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the > historical era being re-created? And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since? ------------------- Not in this case on the former, and the latter - agreed. The real historical part and focus of the exhibit isn't the FreeBSD machine. It's a dual bay HP2000 Timeshare BASIC machine. It has been restored to pristine cosmetic and electrical running condition (2000/Access) and that's the focus of the exhibit. One neat feature of the HP2000, even though it was a dedicated basic interpreter environment, it had the ability to submit jobs to HASP/MVS. MVS could run the code and direct output back to files on the HP2000, output to devices on that system, etc. It's a really neat add-on feature of the display/project to include and demonstrate that functionality. Given that a full blown VM/360 system isn't in the picture, we've used Hercules. One issue is cobbling together some hardware glue to deal with the interface between the HP and the "IBM", basically emulating a sync modem and 2780 device on the Hercules side. That is mostly within my skillset. The other issue is that there needs to also be some terminal interaction on the "IBM" side, so we have a 3174 establishment controller with some 3179 terms and a 3290 gas plasma 4-session display. The 3174 attaches to the host (Hercules) via token ring. I had this all working perfectly with FreeBSD 7x, but when upgrading FreeBSD we lost token ring support. I could stay on an older version of FreeBSD, but then I am stuck with pretty old versions of Hercules (there are problems with newer versions of Hercules compiling under older versions of FreeBSD, some needed features are lacking in older versions of Hercules, etc.). So now you have the gory details as to "why". Yes, there are a few other possible ways to "skin this cat", but I have researched them all and found various issues both subjective and objective with going those alternate routes, hence my desire for native TR support. So back to the topic at hand. I pulled the oltr code from 7x svn and dropped it onto an 8x machine I had available for testing, added the requisites to sys/conf/files.i386, and make buildkernel attempts to fly. It appears the main reason that oltr was dropped at release 8 was that it had IFF_NEEDSGIANT which has been deprecated for MP Safe. Additionally, some of the functions in cpufunc.h (outbv and inbv) are no longer present in the exact same form. Outbv and inbv I can probably easily adjust, but I'm out of my league in the "ins & outs" of removing the need for giant locks. I figured it wouldn't be as simple as just moving the code :) I'll beat my head against it as time permits, thanks for any input. Best, J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 14:02:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8E9106566B for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C1D8FC14 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3220D5C22 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F82EBF7.1050702@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:02:31 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000301cd1412$b39c1550$1ad43ff0$@net> <000801cd141b$01c9fe60$055dfb20$@net> <000001cd1465$f8d56740$ea8035c0$@net> <000b01cd1595$a8c55ef0$fa501cd0$@net> <4f82ec6b.0EU1Qc3X9OJZStzI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20354.52727.340223.760020@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <001601cd1656$97de28d0$c79a7a70$@net> In-Reply-To: <001601cd1656$97de28d0$c79a7a70$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Token Ring (really- and why) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:02:34 -0000 On 04/09/12 23:42, Jay West wrote: > It was written.... > ------------------- >> Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal >> easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the >> historical era being re-created? > And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since? > ------------------- > > Not in this case on the former, and the latter - agreed. > > The real historical part and focus of the exhibit isn't the FreeBSD machine. > It's a dual bay HP2000 Timeshare BASIC machine. It has been restored to > pristine cosmetic and electrical running condition (2000/Access) and that's > the focus of the exhibit. > > One neat feature of the HP2000, even though it was a dedicated basic > interpreter environment, it had the ability to submit jobs to HASP/MVS. MVS > could run the code and direct output back to files on the HP2000, output to > devices on that system, etc. It's a really neat add-on feature of the > display/project to include and demonstrate that functionality. Given that a > full blown VM/360 system isn't in the picture, we've used Hercules. One > issue is cobbling together some hardware glue to deal with the interface > between the HP and the "IBM", basically emulating a sync modem and 2780 > device on the Hercules side. That is mostly within my skillset. The other > issue is that there needs to also be some terminal interaction on the "IBM" > side, so we have a 3174 establishment controller with some 3179 terms and a > 3290 gas plasma 4-session display. The 3174 attaches to the host (Hercules) > via token ring. I had this all working perfectly with FreeBSD 7x, but when > upgrading FreeBSD we lost token ring support. I could stay on an older > version of FreeBSD, but then I am stuck with pretty old versions of Hercules > (there are problems with newer versions of Hercules compiling under older > versions of FreeBSD, some needed features are lacking in older versions of > Hercules, etc.). So now you have the gory details as to "why". Yes, there > are a few other possible ways to "skin this cat", but I have researched them > all and found various issues both subjective and objective with going those > alternate routes, hence my desire for native TR support. > > So back to the topic at hand. I pulled the oltr code from 7x svn and dropped > it onto an 8x machine I had available for testing, added the requisites to > sys/conf/files.i386, and make buildkernel attempts to fly. It appears the > main reason that oltr was dropped at release 8 was that it had > IFF_NEEDSGIANT which has been deprecated for MP Safe. Additionally, some of > the functions in cpufunc.h (outbv and inbv) are no longer present in the > exact same form. Outbv and inbv I can probably easily adjust, but I'm out of > my league in the "ins& outs" of removing the need for giant locks. I > figured it wouldn't be as simple as just moving the code :) I'll beat my > head against it as time permits, thanks for any input. I've been following this thread with a kind of bizarre fascination (or more accurately perhaps it should be the fascination of the bizarre?). Perhaps you should put those questions to the hackers@ list? Or even net@? Where is this exhibit? Is there somewhere I can follow your progress with this interesting diorama? I'd be fascinated to see this in operation :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 14:36:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A1E106566C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4519A8FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q39EaeQF012807; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q39EaeKK012804; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:36:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <4F82CE99.2060005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: References: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> <4F82C20F.9070904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F82CA46.7000700@bananmonarki.se> <4F82CE99.2060005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:36:42 -0000 On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Da Rock wrote: > On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? >> >> No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL. > > Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last > option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that is > the only way. Xorg autoconfigures itself. If HAL is used, it is only used for input devices, mouse and keyboard. Intel 845G should work with the x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 14:44:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D667106566C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E72B8FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7F4E5C22 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:57:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F82F5B8.1000407@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:44:08 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F82BC35.6070504@bananmonarki.se> <4F82C20F.9070904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F82CA46.7000700@bananmonarki.se> <4F82CE99.2060005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problem with Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:44:10 -0000 On 04/10/12 00:36, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Da Rock wrote: > >> On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>>> 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? >>> >>> No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL. >> >> Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the >> last option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa >> and that is the only way. > > Xorg autoconfigures itself. If HAL is used, it is only used for input > devices, mouse and keyboard. > > Intel 845G should work with the x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver. Should, but not always. At least vesa will get it going for the moment until a permanent solution arrives. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 15:08:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6BF106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718BD8FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q39F5l8M073930; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:05:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q39F5lqV073929; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:05:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:05:47 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Tony Message-ID: <20120409150547.GA73820@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:08:23 -0000 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote: > Hello! > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look > at over and over without getting annoyed. > Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking for information. It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop. > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more > forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the > hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres > Logos Don't see anything useful there. As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is anything better? > ) > > Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails > miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual > education in design . There is no natural > flow and the whole thing just > comes off as corny - > and this makes us all look bad. I also hear > PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for > stealing its design. The FreeBSD site heirarchy of information leading to further information is a bit ragged in places, but show us something better. The Royal Academy front page is not too bad of a website home page, but isn't really appropriate to FreeBSD. FreeBSD is a serious working project, not some bling bling sales site. > > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on > Helvetica. > No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the > world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go > out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as > current now as it will be a hundred years from now. There was nothing there. The site didn't work. > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when > there's nothing left to take away." I looked at the URLs that you include and saw nothing that made any sense relative to FreeBSD. The socalled 'design council' page made one of the cardinal errors in web page design by making it a fixed width beyond the browser window's size. It subverts browser reflow. I hate that. It abuses the whole sysem and makes it hard for people so hav a desktop layout the way they want/need. eg, it trashes the page. So, come up with some actually good design before you next barf all over the list. Then, maybe someone will incorporate some of the worthwhile ideas. ////jerry > > Tony > http://siegelgale.com/ > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 15:51:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658D0106566B; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from airosovicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCBC8FC16; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so7879124obb.13 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:51:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=LUpNmSH4M5DwbkDdGl8AqqkRcFdZ1EVFJtdmiVuaidE=; b=pztK2p+tfzYbLl8zfT/o9mG0JC9Up2HPOVo9JpfOlzdEgiVjh6GlWt7vU8IoFeo24C THQxFnIUAtj0z+KXl1z9qaGefal1UO1qzQ7ZY75LsuDtopMxVQUzos8rKKItzpfJp7+s zKvTVx6YyXczd8aJ0SUgBjc4eBTfiYrq+/4LswDOpl8H9aJ3JBkepVecQZP4Xwa68Jwt StzMKJojcV6dRG3o+NwDlWqoqwZoaQ3vpUTyabQuB1c1gHrTn5yGzrp8bVW8t/Zv49s0 O9CIrHXeJ+UAMCG/UewoUu3xf2MoHG5j4wSTPgSp+PhYmMmclracu2L731KjEU95XRN4 QeGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.139.42 with SMTP id qv10mr11068079obb.71.1333986662472; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.37.225 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:51:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?QWlyb3NvzrJpY3ogZmIu?= To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , Matthew Seaman , Da Rock Subject: 9.0 - Mount to root.. Sorted.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:51:03 -0000 Hi all, As Warren Block mentioned: If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been > removed from the custom kernel. > So I've checked my custom kernel config (based on GENERIC) & indeed made some changes to the [S]ATA disk section after which I rebuilt & installed the kernel again.. The difference now with previous was that I *was* able to boot in single-user mode, mount, label my disk with tunefs, update my /etc/fstab accordingly & managed to install the world as a final step to my upgrade.. Problem solved, many thanx for all the assistance.. Regards, E. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 16:02:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF9F106564A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:02:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550D88FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaaf13 with SMTP id f13so1188526eaa.13 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=pgq9/xwtXzLJsPrT1dgvuWSY4izuEPVjJet7x3IywxU=; b=FgFv16rMUUf1D2I7pYQtKj1aIlfn8u0wqSB2qQAm4JuQyQO/iOJhUZXBom5RplAZVV 72xQhYtAYk/qyZlyMSNCcGS0u6pUwjLANt1Te6t0A1y5Gw7TDQN56Qwxd1Rko+2gshNI D35GZNSQ7E4kTKgVcaAZ78GeDMc8Du9hNXhtw42fxCeWoeJ+7KF6IACp3GqewAFZWs7R 5hT4xFy30aKHurwXpGnnE/IrQKVhQxpf9Oq7nwJtsnc7nGQ0tiuACLHAplPObIAinUL8 6/e/Gk90ZvPhv+kMAhcjphK681bNNiSOO/cvAwqpyOO9Nh2/ZjZHbgzZ2KS9mQW33xmH drXQ== Received: by 10.213.26.69 with SMTP id d5mr479673ebc.61.1333987330226; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.15.9 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:01:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:01:29 +0300 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?QWlyb3NvzrJpY3ogZmIu?= Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=0015174bdceaf3f9db04bd412077 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0 - Mount to root.. Sorted.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:02:11 -0000 --0015174bdceaf3f9db04bd412077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 18:51, Airoso=CE=B2icz fb. wr= ote: > Hi all, > > As Warren Block mentioned: > > If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been >> removed from the custom kernel. >> > > So I've checked my custom kernel config (based on GENERIC) & indeed made > some changes to the [S]ATA disk section after which I rebuilt & installed > the kernel again.. The difference now with previous was that I *was* able > to boot in single-user mode, mount, label my disk with tunefs, update my > /etc/fstab accordingly & managed to install the world as a final step to = my > upgrade.. > > Problem solved, many thanx for all the assistance.. > > Regards, > E. > Good to know, but next time you shouldn't go overboard with customizing the kernel configuration file:-) --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --0015174bdceaf3f9db04bd412077-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 16:07:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F75106566B for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (cruwe.de [188.40.164.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6148FC12 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruwe.de (unknown [127.0.0.4]) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394FC14F85 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cruwe.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1B18B14F84; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:07:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.cruwe.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from dijkstra.cruwe.de (p57BDE038.dip.t-dialin.net [87.189.224.56]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4013914F82 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:07:30 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: Message-ID: <20120409180730.08dfe9bb@dijkstra.cruwe.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on mail.cruwe.de using ClamSMTP Subject: zpool creation on geli failed with FreeBSD-9.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:07:35 -0000 I was trying to install FreeBSD 9.0 using a geli encrypted disk and ZFS on my ThinkPad R500 this weekend. I failed. Having sucessfully initialized the geli part and having attached the provider, my attempt to create a zpool on the geli section thus $> zpool create ntank /dev/ada0p2.eli failed with the message Cannot create 'ntank': invalid argument for this pool operation. I could not convince the system to create the zpool on the geli part, so I gave up and created the zpool on the unencrypted partition instead to have a working machine for the week. I would, however, like to have my data on an encrypted partition though. Has anyone witnessed and resolved this issue or does anyone have other ideas? Thanks for your help, cheers, -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2h From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 16:55:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E1A1065672 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abletony84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606D18FC14 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so3402335vbm.13 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:55:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fooSRBW50FLfwYHfF6RWeKuFW/SYubF6ILg1cd2nDHo=; b=PkB9IIUII13IAIy6BFv7fBM89M5mfXeV8H+xGXX123hCKFKYQWrt+g59neaFGgr+Cs QeE4YGKY4ERMO/0K4a/c0k5KP+hQBs33eONPldwKbzqu5FHG8/dKTUuOntiFpa4NuNwB kPHTq2Yk2gYygq+0HGC8rR+EMOpB9b8O+6jR6ebp3eMIxmvEfIFA9eyaBB44/hG2Im7W aLsmv+aQMkL5hE5hd2Iw+nvgcw8+NVEgg6INfVqW1sNVdzSvH/T4paSdSkyiDMPd1BZx XwwB9n244eKJvo4ypKVAHCF9hnLq7C8TCfM+BxJRvdpJ/tnrFQXGVcLcJl3QhE0sBzho fiXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.140.196 with SMTP id j4mr4333564vcu.22.1333990507883; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.66 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:55:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120409150547.GA73820@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20120409150547.GA73820@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:55:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tony To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:55:14 -0000 Hi all! Thanks everyone for all the feedback - it has been most helpful! Just to clarify, Siegel+Gale and the UK Design Council are just the places where I work. I should have taken them out of my signature to avoid confusion, my bad. I will start work on a major Rails-basedredesign for FreeBSD. I really liked Mikkel's suggestion of going back to the old designand take it from there, so that's what I will be doing. It might take a couple of months though. Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate > > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have > a > > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of > any > > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to > > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can > look > > at over and over without getting annoyed. > > > > Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the > FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is > supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking > for information. It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop. > > > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more > > forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic > 3D-lookalike > > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look > cool > > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the > > hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres > > Logos< > http://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332777820&sr=8-1 > > > > Don't see anything useful there. > As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is > anything better? > > > ) > > > > Then you have a surrounding layout tr