From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 00:40:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65D16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8098C43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.175.30]) by bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:40:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.150.204.246] X-Originating-Email: [dead_line@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dead_line@hotmail.com From: "Marwan Sultan" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D8F9C0:01C6D471] Subject: failed to enable memory mapping! (help please) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:40:07 -0000 Hello Everyone, during my 6.1 installation, I'm getting this error. atapci1: port 0x20c8-0x20cf, 0x20ec-0x20ef,0x20c0- 0x20c7,0x20e8-0x20eb,0x20a0-0x20af irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! Google didnot help much, So anyhelp please? Motherboard is intel945 and sata Hard drive, The problem is the box is shutting down sometimes.. as a sudden shuttin down.. The box really has no abnormal hardwares, only Rams, harddrive and the motherboard. Also only running Freeradius, chillispot, MySql 4.1, apache2. acting as NAT and hotspot login. Any help about this problem please? Where to get the logs for this shutting down, i cannot see any errors messages or dmesg logs. 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 00:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C124C16A412 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5183843D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:59:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1413A291AFE; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:57 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83330-05; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD2F290C74; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 630DE34D50; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:58 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8DC33CC9; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:58 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:58:58 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Jonathan Horne In-Reply-To: <200609091722.13035.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Message-ID: <20060909215837.H1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> <200609091722.13035.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:59:00 -0000 'k, what port is this in? :( I just searched all the kde ones I know about, and can't find it ... On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Saturday 09 September 2006 16:32, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? >> >> Thx in advance ... >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ > > im a kde user, so kaggregator works for me (which it also integrates into > kontact). when i happen to anywhere else, i just use the "customized" google > page, and just insert all the feeds i want to keep up with. > > hth, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584C216A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351B043D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:04:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.84]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5C00H71QWLRY40@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J5C00C0SQWLEAK0@pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hexahedron.daemonology.net ([24.82.18.31]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0J5C00LK5QWK2IF0@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11332 invoked from network); Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:02:36 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:02:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:02:36 -0700 From: Colin Percival In-reply-to: <20060909215837.H1031@ganymede.hub.org> To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-id: <4503642C.80309@freebsd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> <200609091722.13035.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <20060909215837.H1031@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060416) Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:04:51 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > 'k, what port is this in? :( I just searched all the kde ones I know > about, and can't find it ... I think Jonathan probably meant akregator, which is part of kdepim. Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC1516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC1543D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from [192.168.1.247] (219-90-251-46.ip.adam.com.au [219.90.251.46]) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B05954 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:46:03 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:46:03 +0930 From: David Lloyd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:16:04 -0000 Hi There, I partitioned my PC Compatible machine like this: /dev/hda1 - Normal partition /dev/hda2 - Normal partition /dev/hda3 - ~100 gigabyte logical partition There's no sectors left to make another normal partition. From what I can gather in the documentation, a FreeBSD slice (in this case one made for/by FreeBSD 6.1) needs to be in a normal partition. I've read the relevant parts of: the handbook, The Complete FreeBSD and I have also seen what the FreeBSD 6.1 installer would attempt to do. All of my reading seems to state that FreeBSD requires a "normal" partition to make its slice(s) in. That said, I seem to have a few options: 1. Somehow rearrange my partitions so that I can get a normal partition - GNU Parted would work except it doesn't seem to like XFS partitions 2. Reinstall my primary operating system (which happens to be Debian SID) and partition the disk such that I -can- put FreeBSD in an appropriate partition 3. Run FreeBSD under something like VMWare My other alternative would be to take a great leap and use FreeBSD exclusively and work out how to migrate my "home" data to FreeBSD. Therefore, my questions would be: 1. Is there a way (other than using VMWare) to get FreeBSD onto a partition inside the large logical partition I have? 2. If not, does anyone know of any free (as in beer) tools that would be able to move Linux partitions about with XFS filesystems? - I don't think GNU Parted likes XFS filesystems 3. Would VMWare be a solution to my dilemma? 4. Is there an option that I haven't considered [apart from panickin!]? DSL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A0F16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys12.mail.msu.edu (sys12.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E32F43D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:36:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys12.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GMEF4-0004bx-PT; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:36:14 -0400 References: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> From: "Jerold McAllister" To: David Lloyd Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:36:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:36:17 -0000 David Lloyd writes: > > Hi There, > > I partitioned my PC Compatible machine like this: > > /dev/hda1 - Normal partition > /dev/hda2 - Normal partition > /dev/hda3 - ~100 gigabyte logical partition > > There's no sectors left to make another normal partition. > > From what I can gather in the documentation, a FreeBSD slice (in this > case one made for/by FreeBSD 6.1) needs to be in a normal partition. > I've read the relevant parts of: the handbook, The Complete FreeBSD and > I have also seen what the FreeBSD 6.1 installer would attempt to do. > > All of my reading seems to state that FreeBSD requires a "normal" > partition to make its slice(s) in. > > That said, I seem to have a few options: > > 1. Somehow rearrange my partitions so that I can get a normal partition > - GNU Parted would work except it doesn't seem to like XFS partitions > > 2. Reinstall my primary operating system (which happens to be Debian > SID) and partition the disk such that I -can- put FreeBSD in an > appropriate partition > > 3. Run FreeBSD under something like VMWare > > My other alternative would be to take a great leap and use FreeBSD > exclusively and work out how to migrate my "home" data to FreeBSD. > > Therefore, my questions would be: > > 1. Is there a way (other than using VMWare) to get FreeBSD onto a > partition inside the large logical partition I have? > > 2. If not, does anyone know of any free (as in beer) tools that would be > able to move Linux partitions about with XFS filesystems? > - I don't think GNU Parted likes XFS filesystems > > 3. Would VMWare be a solution to my dilemma? > > 4. Is there an option that I haven't considered [apart from panickin!]? > > DSL Generally, FreeBSD needs a primary slice to boot and run. I assume what you are calling 'normal partition' is what is called a primary slice. My suggestion is to shrink that 'logical partition' and make a 4th slice that is primary and put FreeBSd there, unless one of those other 'normal partitions' are are not needed. Then, just use the installer to delete what is in the slice and create it with a FreeBSD slice and go from there. Alternately you can add a disk. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 01:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560CF16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from cyclone.mail.adnap.net.au (cyclone.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACFF43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:43:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: from [192.168.1.247] (219-90-251-46.ip.adam.com.au [219.90.251.46]) by cyclone.mail.adnap.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA2F98B45; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:13:19 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <45036DB8.9000201@adam.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:13:20 +0930 From: David Lloyd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerold McAllister References: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:43:21 -0000 Jerry, > Generally, FreeBSD needs a primary slice to boot and run. > I assume what you are calling 'normal partition' is what is > called a primary slice. Thanks - I had a mental blank as to what to call primary slices :) > My suggestion is to shrink that 'logical partition' and make > a 4th slice that is primary and put FreeBSd there, unless one of > those other 'normal partitions' are are not needed. Then, just use > the installer to delete what is in the slice and create it with > a FreeBSD slice and go from there. Alternately you can add > a disk. I think that's what I'll attempt to do (i.e. shrink the logical partition). DSL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 02:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913CC16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from sys17.mail.msu.edu (sys17.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5103443D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:06:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@msu.edu) Received: from jerrymc by sys17.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1GMEih-0002Nj-DU; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:06:51 -0400 References: <45036753.7060705@adam.com.au> <45036DB8.9000201@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <45036DB8.9000201@adam.com.au> From: "Jerold McAllister" To: David Lloyd Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:06:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Slices on a PC Compatible Logical Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:06:52 -0000 David Lloyd writes: > > Jerry, > >> Generally, FreeBSD needs a primary slice to boot and run. >> I assume what you are calling 'normal partition' is what is >> called a primary slice. > > Thanks - I had a mental blank as to what to call primary slices :) > >> My suggestion is to shrink that 'logical partition' and make >> a 4th slice that is primary and put FreeBSd there, unless one of >> those other 'normal partitions' are are not needed. Then, just use >> the installer to delete what is in the slice and create it with >> a FreeBSD slice and go from there. Alternately you can add >> a disk. > > I think that's what I'll attempt to do (i.e. shrink the logical > partition). I have had pretty good luck with Partition Magic for that sort of thing but I have never mucked with so called logical partitions. Also, PM is not free. I got mine at Best Buy, I think. ////jerry > > DSL > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 02:43:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6282C16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB93F43D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:43:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SnfiNCS2kOTvgB58abPBM9Rv4O85hTHF/Q/g9CucclY/kzHyvjnTpY4+Z6Bj5dJw; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMFHa-0006u9-Rl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <089001c6d482$d1531d80$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:42:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b5711209d56e1ad2b46a575584265ba928caf27dead17e0afdcfc8e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:43:01 -0000 From: "stheg olloydson" > > On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 -0000 ihilt wrote: > >>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote: >> >>> >> Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or > LBA mode, >>> >> where are these parameters stored? >> >>> They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard > algorithm >>> published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the > data for >>> all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives. >> >>Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it? >> >>Ian Graeme Hilt > > Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee > of the InterNational Committee for Information Technology > Standards (INCITS), formerly the Accredited Standards Committee > X3, Information Technology. Its standards are published by ANSI. > The one you are looking for is ANSI INCITS 397-2005 AT > Attachment - 7 with Packet Interface. You can download a pdf > from techstreet.com for $30.00US. Just search for 397-2005. > You can also get a free copy of a working draft of a standard > withdrawn in 2002, X3.298-1996, from t13.org. While the > information you are looking is unlikely to have changed between > 1996 and 2005, you are in a better position to weigh the benefit > to your project of saving $30.00US versus using possibly > horribly wrong information. (It is a _working draft_ from 1996, > after all.) It's probably cheaper to read the code for the GNU BIOS project or for things like fdisk. It should be present in both places. {^_-} From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 02:53:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B50E16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBC943D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:53:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C9dOWcIEOqxoG1eL6DOxF1oN3U8vVFX/eBS3xUPKThbSDetsps41dH4BL4hzsEQn; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.130.69] (helo=Wednesday) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GMFRj-0004iS-IO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:53:23 -0400 Message-ID: <089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> From: "jdow" To: References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:53:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b5711209d56e1ad2b46a57527a4cb3411c1fd880c76740db0cb89d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.130.69 Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:53:33 -0000 From: "stheg olloydson" > On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 -0000 ihilt wrote: > >>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote: >> >>> >> Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or > LBA mode, >>> >> where are these parameters stored? >> >>> They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard > algorithm >>> published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the > data for >>> all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives. >> >>Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it? >> >>Ian Graeme Hilt > > Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee And my idle curiosity would like to know why Ian is interested in such an antiquated topic? There is a size limit beyond which CHS simply does not work. The setting of CHS is in practice utterly arbitrary. For (many/most?) USB ram disk plugins the T13 standard does not apply due to internal ram layout. And so forth. (Certainly on the Amiga this CHS nonsense made no practical difference except on floppy disks or ST-506 based disk drives. And in playing with recovering a blown block zero on an Windows machine (more than once) I learned that CHS is utterly arbitrary on Windows. It is arbitrary with USB ram disk modulo the ram disk's internal layout and spares setup. And since large disks for which CHS runs out of size abound I imagine there is not a place in the 'n'x world where CHS matters. So I am suspecting historical curiosity if anything else. As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) {O.O} Joanne From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 03:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795F316A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.lenzi@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53F743D55 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:08:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from henry.lenzi@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1156309wxd for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:08:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=E8hzMF4bWCrxZ113RekY7B5Iv0RET1pKaamTbqtc2crp4yGrZNMeBJvNB/KbJnphrM+1rn9sz9HkhaDwskx3tj7EwHGkIbeY0r7ZgVN+TFXti4QCONYus+nmy0cTIhupLR/uGrQan4uG+kN+C34LbafD9VULOCg9RuP6nW40fO8= Received: by 10.70.69.11 with SMTP id r11mr3768096wxa; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.95.9 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 20:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c81f0609092008h48336ebbq9efef35c089d9c1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:08:47 -0300 From: "Henry Lenzi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Can you have both KOI-R and ISO8859-15? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:08:48 -0000 Hi -- I guess I am falling in a strange intersection...I need to be able to read/work with Russian and Latin-1 on my system. Russian filenames are just gibberish right now... Is there a way to have both? Or is this a problem that'll only get solved with Unicode? More and more we need to use foreign languages these days for our work... TIA, Henry Lenzi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 03:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278116A494 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:27:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC6B43D5F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:27:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.66.115]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060910032719.NOQ10083.mta9.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:27:19 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2848B616; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:27:29 -0400 From: Parv To: Joel Adamson Message-ID: <20060910032729.GA5048@holestein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Joel Adamson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060909024946.92342.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060909024946.92342.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Window Manager Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:27:21 -0000 in message <20060909024946.92342.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com>, wrote Joel Adamson thusly... > > I am switching over my desktop system to FreeBSD ... want to > choose a nice window manager. One of the more annoying things I > want to get away from in Microsoft Windows is focus-shifting: I'll > be typing along in one place, then a webpage will finish loading, > the window focus shifts, I keep typing and execute a bunch of > commands in the new window ... > In general I'd prefer a window manager that avoids these sorts of > things (i.e., only does what I ask it to). In FVWM (under /usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm2-devel), you can set the window raising & moving, focus changing, & pointer moving poiclies to achieve what you want. You can even set it per window (based on its resource or title). You should install fvwm-themes too (in /usr/ports/x11-themes/fvwm-themes) if you don't want to directly edit the configuration files. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 03:49:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D31916A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org (arbitor.digitalfreaks.org [216.151.95.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B77343D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:49:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalfreaks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0FD1817C; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.digitalfreaks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digitalfreaks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39902-04; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (c-67-163-203-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [67.163.203.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digitalfreaks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E0E1817B; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian A. Seklecki" To: ke han In-Reply-To: <09335E9A-54BA-4D94-A1F4-AB05D51C37DA@redstarling.com> References: <1150043830.3540.116.camel@compulsion> <20060907124923.J88388@arbitor.digitalfreaks.org> <09335E9A-54BA-4D94-A1F4-AB05D51C37DA@redstarling.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1157860179.4207.114.camel@compulsion> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6-5.1.100mdk Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:49:39 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wmoran@collaborativefusion.com Subject: Re: PERC 5/E SAS RAID in Dell PowerEdge 1950/2950 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:49:44 -0000 On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 20:07, ke han wrote: > On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:49 AM, Brian A. Seklecki wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Brian A. Seklecki wrote: > > > >> All: > >> > >> Does anyone have details about the new PERC 5/E SAS RAID > >> controller Dell > >> is (or will soon be) shipping in the 1950/2950? > >> > > > > For the record, this is mfi(4). > > Have you done an install of FreeBSD 6.1 on a 1950/2950? Does the > install kernel automatically recognize RAID arrays you have setup It finds the RAID controller fine. However, we're very concerned about the lack of a management CLI like ports/sysutils/megarc. It's the DRAC5 virtual USB keyboard that requires you sacrifice your moral integrity to obtain. A small price to pay, considering the client requires ActiveX and Java. Also I had some problems with if_bce.c < rev1.7. Media state confusion. ~BAS > with the PERC 5 bios? IOW, do I have to manually load some updated > module outside of the default 6.1 install and config? > > thanks, ke han > > > > > Yay! > > > > ~BAS > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 05:52:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948B916A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5832943D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GMIFA-000No4-ME for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:52:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1B346830-A705-4E92-8532-0256A64838BB@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:52:36 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: bge0: PHY read timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:37 -0000 I have a machine that is acting up. It was doing this a couple weeks ago and I replaced the motherboard thinking that maybe the physical ethernet port was going bad (connector or chip). The new motherboard is starting to act up the same way after a week or two of running fine and I am wondering if something else might be the issue. After the uname I list the stuff from the syslog before it goes off the net and my auto rebooter power strip thinks it has crashed and forces a reboot (which I have now turned off so I can go in and look more next time it happens). This did not happen for the last week or two and all of a sudden happened about 5 times today... # uname -a FreeBSD whitwell.shire.net 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #1: Fri May 19 01:50:39 MDT 2006 chad@mlg3.shire.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ WHITWELL i386 # Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell last message repeated 3 times Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: link state changed to DOWN Sep 9 20:49:04 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out What does this message mean? PHY read timed out? I did a google on it but the issues were various other things. Could this be a bad cable? Thanks Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 05:55:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E82A16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DDF43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:55:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GMII2-000ONu-SM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:55:35 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1B346830-A705-4E92-8532-0256A64838BB@shire.net> References: <1B346830-A705-4E92-8532-0256A64838BB@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7512DAB5-695E-4D9B-90AD-BBAA34D9BAFF@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:55:34 -0600 To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: bge0: PHY read timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:55:35 -0000 On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > I have a machine that is acting up. It was doing this a couple > weeks ago and I replaced the motherboard thinking that maybe the > physical ethernet port was going bad (connector or chip). The new > motherboard is starting to act up the same way after a week or two > of running fine and I am wondering if something else might be the > issue. I forgot to mention that the MB at issue is the Tyan S2850 single opteron MB. This particular server had its MB replaced a week or two ago for the same sort of issue on bge1 that got progressively worse and I eventually turned it off in the BIOS. Then a while later it started seeming to freeze up with this same issue as listed below and I replaced the MB, which is starting to show the same issue. I have a few other servers with the same MB and they have never had any issues. Chad > > After the uname I list the stuff from the syslog before it goes off > the net and my auto rebooter power strip thinks it has crashed and > forces a reboot (which I have now turned off so I can go in and > look more next time it happens). This did not happen for the last > week or two and all of a sudden happened about 5 times today... > > # uname -a > FreeBSD whitwell.shire.net 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #1: Fri > May 19 01:50:39 MDT 2006 chad@mlg3.shire.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/ > sys/WHITWELL i386 > # > > > Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out > Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell last message repeated 3 times > Sep 9 20:49:02 whitwell kernel: bge0: link state changed to DOWN > Sep 9 20:49:04 whitwell kernel: bge0: PHY read timed out > > What does this message mean? PHY read timed out? I did a google > on it but the issues were various other things. > > Could this be a bad cable? > > Thanks > Chad > > > --- > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC > Your Web App and Email hosting provider > chad at shire.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 07:11:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F97716A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@havoc.unixathome.org) Received: from havoc.unixathome.org (havoc.unixathome.org [66.154.98.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC07D43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:11:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@havoc.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22E256476 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:11:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from havoc.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (havoc.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J6SMB8Uiirck for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D00A456470; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20060910071003.D00A456470@havoc.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2006-08-20 - 2006-09-09 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:11:23 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 4-Sep : Monitor your 3Ware battery backup unit (BBU) Why not monitor your battery? http://freebsddiary.org/3ware-netsaint-plugin-addenda.php?2 28-Aug : 3Ware - Manage your RAID arrays via http Nothing like a little graphical interaction to get the bytes flowing http://freebsddiary.org/dual-opteron-3ware-web.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 07:22:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2818216A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD34843D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:22:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1489045pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:22:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=P/qTJ0eGCWzrluSu2bsZivAqvjxN5iZ3Rzxx52q75J8Rhyjo8iMMqjNJ/G+FoSaPChGZNfMOkbuSTRJNufrs1VfaRR09yGqnyavI0rifdSgc8H4HsmG+l7j6HFchPFcPmFQU0jFWS9Sg0GoUpu+r5z5rEYcvBP5964k8QQl5AX4= Received: by 10.64.28.18 with SMTP id b18mr4252463qbb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609100022o5ea4831cwa7ecd29e7461fe99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:52:40 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:22:42 -0000 I get the message "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p" while building the xfe X11 file manager. A google did not give any ideas. Need help. Thanks, Vishy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 08:22:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3917016A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404AB43D5A for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:22:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1505038pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=G1Ms3lD7tnGxvpmvmbpAJpfdMkSo4HKMVxBxuWvhiDeKo8KethPXdlmSGihgzDmH8Zrqu8Kk1BXxy2pudmve7e1VgQeKWF1agjqaCXas+sO+eXBkAdYutW8eZUVrKUy0zzwxdUDDKZFj3eCQsAcsocBauGqSom8qQQvcLU3jum8= Received: by 10.65.84.4 with SMTP id m4mr3949391qbl; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609100122w387d4ebet6e68a07391ae4eff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:52:12 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Integrating kernel modules into the kernel while building the kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:22:14 -0000 I have a bunch of kernel modules I load from loader.conf. Eg: snd_emu10k1, acpi, ndis and many others. I am thinking of custom building the kernel. Could anyone guide me into integrating these kernel modules into the kernel, so that i dont have to load these options into loader.conf? Using 6.1 on i386. Thanks, Vishy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 10:11:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDA016A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan.Johansen@cc.uit.no) Received: from mux1.uit.no (mux1.uit.no [129.242.4.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA1543D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:11:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Johan.Johansen@cc.uit.no) Received: from flode.cc.uit.no (flode.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.250]) by mux1.uit.no (8.13.8/8.13.6/Mux) with ESMTP id k8AABjhB023808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tausa.cc.uit.no (tausa.cc.uit.no [129.242.6.78]) by flode.cc.uit.no (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8AABkR6058966; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@cc.uit.no) Received: from tausa.cc.uit.no (localhost.cc.uit.no [127.0.0.1]) by tausa.cc.uit.no (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8AABiCA010204; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from johan@tausa.cc.uit.no) Message-Id: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:11:44 +0200 From: Johan Johansen X-Virus-Scanned: : ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 129.242.4.252 Cc: johan.johansen@cc.uit.no Subject: atapicam trouble X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:11:48 -0000 I run 6.1-STABLE-200607 on my brand new box with Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2 x 2,40 GHz cpu (beautiful piece of machinery) I can use my dvd-devices with atapicd, but atapicam do not work. kldload atapicam causes an interrupt storm, I guess. I tried to take out atapicd from the kernel after reading http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/73675 In fact, I removed ataraid atapifd atapist too, without any luck. Here is output from top -S a few seconds after kldload atapicam last pid: 600; load averages: 0.24, 0.24, 0.11 up 0+00:02:36 11:27:53 88 processes: 5 running, 64 sleeping, 19 waiting CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 43.8% interrupt, 56.2% idle Mem: 22M Active, 9604K Inact, 28M Wired, 15M Buf, 1943M Free Swap: 4070M Total, 4070M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 1 2:03 99.26% idle: cpu1 12 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 0 1:54 62.26% idle: cpu0 22 root 1 -64 -183 0K 8K CPU0 0 0:09 36.41% irq16: uhci0+ 31 root 1 -68 -187 0K 8K WAIT 1 0:01 0.00% irq19: re0 uhci3++ Could anyone point me in a direction too solve this, please? mvh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 09:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDC716A416 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohab@technat.org) Received: from server.scribbytech.net (server.scribbytech.net [208.110.69.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9300C43D5D for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:25:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mohab@technat.org) Received: from technat by server.scribbytech.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GMLZw-0001QV-V1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:17 +0930 Received: from 196.202.92.107 ([196.202.92.107]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user mohab@technat.org) by www.technat.org with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST) From: mohab@technat.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.scribbytech.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32046 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - technat.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:04 +0000 Subject: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:25:54 -0000 Hello sir I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal server. i am asking specificly about two questions: What is equal to "WGET"? And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:23:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D860416A501 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [202.89.146.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16CB43D67 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BF76656436; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:23:37 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:23:37 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: "Irc Maniac ." Message-ID: <20060910112337.GA78005@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <4a714a760609090047k3e83159fr9ea63f2220edb2eb@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4a714a760609090047k3e83159fr9ea63f2220edb2eb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I Get An Email Account? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:23:43 -0000 On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 02:47:05AM -0500, Irc Maniac . wrote: > Can you hook me up with @freebsd.org? Sure. All you need to do is to contribute to the FreeBSD project with either heaps of code or documentation. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wish your merit to be known, acknowledge that of other people" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:31:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F97F16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [202.89.146.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAA543D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:31:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDEDA56436; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:31:18 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:31:18 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: mohab@technat.org Message-ID: <20060910113118.GB78005@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:31:20 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:56:16PM +0930, mohab@technat.org wrote: > Hello sir > I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal > server. You should move to 6.1-RELEASE instead. > i am asking specificly about two questions: > What is equal to "WGET"? fetch(1) > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? gunzip(1) works fine here, what problems are you having? To unzip ZIPs, you need to install archivers/unzip. To unzip RARs, you need to install archivers/unrar. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When you don't know what you are doing, do it neatly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:35:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B36516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0414B43D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaj13@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3781DBA225; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [83.99.30.97] (helo=[10.0.0.11]) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1GMNZ4-0006Ya-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:33:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4503F809.40005@web.de> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:33:29 +0200 From: Jona Joachim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060730) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mohab@technat.org References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jaj13@web.de X-Sender: jaj13@web.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:35:04 -0000 mohab@technat.org wrote: > Hello sir > I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal > server. > i am asking specificly about two questions: > What is equal to "WGET"? fetch(1) comes with the base system. You can install wget, curl and other tools from the ports. > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? Using the archivers/unzip and archivers/unrar ports respectively. If you install archivers/file-roller you have a graphical tool that lets you handle archives in a very intuitive way. --jona From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:37:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A2916A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3EE43D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 14079 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 21:37:21 +1000 Received: from 203-214-156-133.perm.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.214.156.133) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 21:37:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:14 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: mohab@technat.org Message-ID: <20060910213714.2b341570@localhost> In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:37:22 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST) mohab@technat.org wrote: > What is equal to "WGET"? Welcome :) man fetch or simypl install wget from ports , ftp/wget ... in other words, cd /usr/ports/ftp/wget make install or use portinstall portinstall ftp/wget or pkg_add pkg_add -r wget > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? if you tell us what gunzip is or isn't doing we may be able to help you more. for zips, use the port archivers/unzip and for rar.... well.... you guessed yet, archivers/rar Good luck, B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "A Man that is good at excuses is usually good at nothing else" Benjamin Franklin I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 11:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D5116A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA4843D69 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:39:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 14227 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 21:39:53 +1000 Received: from 203-214-156-133.perm.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (203.214.156.133) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 21:39:53 +1000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:39:47 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060910213947.6a326016@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:39:55 -0000 On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:32:41 -0300 (ADT) "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? > I do my feeds as part of my email. I use Sylpheed-Claws and the sylpheed-claws-rssyl plugin B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 12:56:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE90816A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A7B43D5E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:56:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234813A86A for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-68-58-232-106.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D28B54A22 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GMOrQ-0007nt-00 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:56:31 -0400 From: stan To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 08:52:36 up 146 days, 9:55, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Subject: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:56:34 -0000 Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? On Linux you can enter a "1" and the status header provides a display for each processor. I think this is a lot more informative that the FreeBSD way of doing this. Or am I missing how to obtain the same information in FreeBSD? Perhaps some other tool? Or a different command to top? -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 13:18:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C6616A412 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from larse@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (216-110-13-10.static.twtelecom.net [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D6043D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from larse@larseighner.com) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 6C84D16B51D; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.79]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E788616B4ED; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1003 larse@larseighner.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:18:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: larse@goodwill.6dollardialup.com To: mohab@technat.org In-Reply-To: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> Message-ID: <20060910081329.E58450@tbbqjvyy.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <2225.196.202.92.107.1157880376.squirrel@www.technat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=6.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,OACYS_SINGLE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:18:26 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, mohab@technat.org wrote: > Hello sir > I am new to freeBSD and i am using "FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE" for my personal > server. > i am asking specificly about two questions: > What is equal to "WGET"? If you must have wget, you can install it from the ftp ports. Otherwise, consult "man fetch" for the native utilities. > And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? gzip/gunzip works fine, but for zip files and rar files you need the appropriate utilities from ports/archivers. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 13:29:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C1F16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6A743D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:29:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1593081pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ajfE5X/8VWeE0/FiTW/iVoA5xfMKPMdXGc4cNDfxF2r8lemlWEswDamjpvS8vAjbT99cvLb6mkn86mFXdpPhYVefSM+v7/R0akWA87HaQH22opSKJaH5A/QGti7IdJiRb2iYSLRt9Kc8fQbOay/X7/GnjsaFqSPQvE1hQyN0DnM= Received: by 10.35.69.11 with SMTP id w11mr6812641pyk; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.10 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:29:35 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 21729ccc856d7349 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:29:38 -0000 On 9/10/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? Google Reader is evil, but works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:01:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9D816A403; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from msoulier@digitaltorque.ca) Received: from mail.storm.ca (mail.storm.ca [209.87.239.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3F443D60; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msoulier@digitaltorque.ca) Received: from tigger.digitaltorque.ca (hs-216-106-102-70.storm.ca [216.106.102.70]) by mail.storm.ca (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8AF1js5011220; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tigger.digitaltorque.ca (Postfix, from userid 500) id 17BB211EE2F; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:01:40 -0400 From: "Michael P. Soulier" To: Andrew Pantyukhin Message-ID: <20060910150139.GY11663@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Pantyukhin , "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060909183200.H10669@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:48 -0000 --ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/09/06 Andrew Pantyukhin said: > Google Reader is evil, but works. Google Reader blows. Bloglines is much better. That said, I'd rather use Liferea on *nix. Mike --=20 Michael P. Soulier "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." --Albert Einstein --ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFBCjTKGqCc1vIvggRAp6qAKCdkHhr2V8mGa/x6smXLIklTwUm/gCgtzZI 9cKf8zCQZIm7Op2Ie19YcC4= =Iwyo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ScUgq5oMe+fJq4F1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:09:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6E016A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342DC43D6A for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:09:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GMQwG-0000n8-PV; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:09:47 +0100 Received: from cse-jg.cse.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.12.37]:60225) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1GMQwA-0000rF-LK; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:09:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:09:34 +0100 (BST) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: James Long In-Reply-To: <20060903173729.GA30869@ns.museum.rain.com> Message-ID: <20060910160830.L30289@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> References: <20060903173729.GA30869@ns.museum.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamassassin: mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man page bug in mv(1) ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:09:52 -0000 On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, James Long wrote: > The man page mv(1) states: > > "It is an error for either the source operand or the destination path > to specify a directory unless both do." > > > However: > > mv file /tmp/ > > works. Am I reading things wrong, or is the man page incorrect? The man page is correct, but a little misleading unless you read it carefully. The first two paragraphs of the description section define the term "destination path". -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Solution: (n) a watered-down version of something neat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:13:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2358416A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFBC43D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:13:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8AFDYsl032555 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:13:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:13:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Subject: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:13:37 -0000 anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives m= e=20 this error: [root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J=F6r= g=20 Schilling cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is probab= ly=20 rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction here? [root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 [root@athena ~]# uname -a =46reeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 13:= 08:08=20 CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0DA16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9CA43D77 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:16:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1623752pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=O2XxVWQM4VLFN3M6OiRAe2woJG2RhzEAyVtNryUe3/mXVDY18ghj4BxdcMHfclys1i6/AD28XyXgJgeV9Oh0w5HVpEja6cR7ihq8Vz5/IsB0bwMZJsE862dkAJJ5cZZnGCV9+R7oWjFPP/3pDhxtO/jgcFnQSXVuuec9fTnktoI= Received: by 10.35.97.17 with SMTP id z17mr6952152pyl; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.90.6 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:16:37 -0400 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Jonathan Horne" In-Reply-To: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 901b3680e5260bd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:16:49 -0000 On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne wrote: > > anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives > me > this error: > > [root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J= =F6rg > Schilling > cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. > cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. > cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. > > i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is > probably > rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction > here? > > [root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 > acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > [root@athena ~]# uname -a > FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 > 13:08:08 > CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 > > anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! Even though this isn't a gnome problem... check out http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q15 cheers, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:24:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617916A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from burk@sumail.ru) Received: from mxoa.su29.ru (mxoa.su29.ru [81.200.9.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB9643D64 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:24:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from burk@sumail.ru) Received: from [10.10.9.49] (helo=[192.168.1.11]) by mail.su29.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GMRAd-000NKs-Rh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:24:31 +0400 Message-ID: <45042E30.7030701@sumail.ru> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:24:32 +0400 From: gb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:24:34 -0000 Hi all, Got hold of an old IBM X21 Thinkpad. Anyone out there have any recommendations for a good kernel config or whatever to squeeze the most of this little fellow? Thanks George From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:57:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498A416A412 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A181843D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060910155706.TOPN7951.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:57:06 -0400 Received: from localhost ([68.230.186.138]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Lfwt1V00C2zbV0s0000000 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:56:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:57:05 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:07 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: 1) The people who created X weren't interested in feature Y. Since they were doing unpaid work, they created the features they were interested in. 2) The core code of X was written before the technological advance that made feature Y useful, and no one has needed feature Y badly enough to add it to X. 3) The creators of X didn't think of feature Y, and no one has gotten in touch with the maintainers to suggest it. 4) Only one or two people want feature Y, and the amount of work necessary to add it to X greatly exceeds the benefit of providing a feature for one or two people. Also, no one has contacted the maintainers of X to ask how much it would cost to change their minds about this. 5) No one wants feature Y badly enough to devote the necessary free time to learn the skills and do the work necessary to create it. Since it's not high on anyone's list of things to do in their spare time, everyone has chosen to wait until it moves to the top of someone else's list of things to do in their spare time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 15:57:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BAD16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.bikle@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C219543D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan.bikle@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1306173wxd for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mQOcBRWhifymPkNQtuoBPeTNhNzu2b/niNDFITHYCjJLSk71u+/rd5pxfRNIEjy5kegDFPeyeKAb/KtJ9wfb1IWIRLD+tK0n1SJCmRTTUC6iuSeMy0qwZrvDrVISDsugpcckOmh0Uk3tpnWKDPnvkBlNZND3p5O91nnNRXZmk0o= Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr1334079agb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.86.4 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74252ed10609100857l312bf1cfqf324d000704e2b62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:29 -0700 From: "Dan Bikle" To: "ruby-talk ML" , rubyonrails-talk@googlegroups.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <74252ed10609091048q40bdb8ble20c7e65130fef7b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89e058bd07bdb796dde816832ab7f08c@example.com> <74252ed10609091048q40bdb8ble20c7e65130fef7b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: [Rails] SaltedHashLoginGenerator no such file to load -- iconv X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:57:31 -0000 ok, I found the magic sauce. It's actually on my beastie box It's here: /usr/ports/converters/ruby-iconv If you are new to FreeBSD [ like me ], /usr/ports/ is loaded up with a bunch of software which you can install. Usually software I find there installs cleanly with a simple make make install So, I installed ruby-iconv and now require 'iconv' returns true rather than an exception. -Dan On 9/9/06, Dan Bikle wrote: > > Yep, > > I too have just bumped into this issue. > > I see it on a freebsd box: > > bash jake oracle /usr/local 12 $ uname -a > FreeBSD jake.host.com 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Tue Nov 1 > 05:56:17 CST 2005 northtron@jake.host.com > :/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/JAKE > i386 > bash jake oracle /usr/local 13 $ > > I compared my bsd box to my Mac: > > > bash jake oracle ~/o 24 $ find . -print|grep iconv > ./lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/iconvcharset.rb > bash jake oracle ~/o 25 $ which ruby > /home/oracle/o/bin/ruby > bash jake oracle ~/o 26 $ ruby -v > ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i386-freebsd5.3] > bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ > bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ > > bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ irb > irb(main):001:0> require 'iconv' > LoadError: no such file to load -- iconv > from (irb):1:in `require' > from (irb):1 > irb(main):002:0> > irb(main):003:0* quit > bash jake oracle ~/o 28 $ > > > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 1 $ find . -print|grep iconv > ./lib/ruby/1.8/doc/files/xsd/iconvcharset_rb.html > ./lib/ruby/1.8/powerpc-darwin8.7.0/iconv.bundle > ./lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/iconvcharset.rb > ./share/ri/1.8/system/Iconv/iconv-c.yaml > ./share/ri/1.8/system/Iconv/iconv-i.yaml > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 2 $ which ruby > /r/bin/ruby > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 3 $ ruby -v > ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [powerpc-darwin8.7.0] > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ irb > irb(main):001:0> require 'iconv' > require 'iconv' > => true > irb(main):002:0> quit > bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 5 $ > > It looks like my Mac has some kind of iconv special sauce on it. > I assume it was put there when I installed ruby. > > I'd like to find the said sauce for my freebsd beastie. > > -Dan > > > On 8/16/06, Elliott Blatt wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to use the SaltedHashLoginGenerator as documented on > > http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/SaltedHashLoginGenerator > > > > Ruby version: ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i386-openbsd3.9] > > > > I've the following commands: > > > > gem install salted_login_generator > > gem install localization_generator > > rails myapp > > cd myapp > > ruby script/generate salted_login User Localization > > > > All ran successfully. > > I then created the databases and schema, without incident. > > In theory, I should be able to hit my server: > > > > http://my.host.com:3000/user ..... > > > > Doing so, throws an error page in my face: > > +----------------------------------- > > + MissingSourceFile > > + > > + no such file to load -- iconv > > +------------------------------------ > > > > There are many posts out there conerning this missing dependency for > > windows, but none for *NIX. > > > > What is iconv and where is it missing from? ruby? rails? > > > > In either case, where do I get said file? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 16:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD47C16A5FA for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725AF43D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:55:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8AGtfAV080010; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:55:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:55:41 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Viswas Nair Message-ID: <20060910165539.GE30620@dan.emsphone.com> References: <73d604760609100122w387d4ebet6e68a07391ae4eff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <73d604760609100122w387d4ebet6e68a07391ae4eff@mail.gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrating kernel modules into the kernel while building the kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:55:43 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 10), Viswas Nair said: > I have a bunch of kernel modules I load from loader.conf. Eg: snd_emu10k1, > acpi, ndis and many others. > I am thinking of custom building the kernel. Could anyone guide me into > integrating these kernel modules into the kernel, so that i dont have to > load these options into loader.conf? Just add them as devices to your config file. Take a look at /sys/config/NOTES and /sys/i386/config/NOTES for the full list and any dependencies. device sound device snd_emu10k1 device acpi device ndis -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 17:35:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA1816A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from typhoon.he.net (typhoon.he.net [64.62.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2C1A43D49 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:35:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from liam ([71.141.72.46]) by typhoon.he.net for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:35:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill-Schoolcraft X-X-Sender: bill@liam To: Johan Johansen In-Reply-To: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> Message-ID: References: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> System-ID: [en] (SuSE-9.3 64-bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapicam trouble (me too) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:35:50 -0000 At Sun, 10 Sep 2006 it looks like Johan Johansen composed: > > I run 6.1-STABLE-200607 on my brand new box with > Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2 x 2,40 GHz cpu (beautiful piece of machinery) > > I can use my dvd-devices with atapicd, but atapicam do not work. > > kldload atapicam causes an interrupt storm, I guess. > I tried to take out atapicd from the kernel after reading > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/73675 > In fact, I removed ataraid atapifd atapist too, without any luck. > > Here is output from top -S a few seconds after kldload atapicam > > last pid: 600; load averages: 0.24, 0.24, 0.11 up > 0+00:02:36 11:27:53 > 88 processes: 5 running, 64 sleeping, 19 waiting > CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 43.8% interrupt, 56.2% idle > Mem: 22M Active, 9604K Inact, 28M Wired, 15M Buf, 1943M Free > Swap: 4070M Total, 4070M Free > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND > 11 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 1 2:03 99.26% idle: cpu1 > 12 root 1 171 52 0K 8K RUN 0 1:54 62.26% idle: cpu0 > 22 root 1 -64 -183 0K 8K CPU0 0 0:09 36.41% irq16: uhci0+ > 31 root 1 -68 -187 0K 8K WAIT 1 0:01 0.00% irq19: re0 > uhci3++ > > Could anyone point me in a direction too solve this, please? I was just messing with this with a very good PLEXTOR DVD-RW drive, tried to rebuild the kernel with only "device atapicam" and there was some issues, for some strange reason, the system wedged, then tried to read the drive's contents at boot time, and then I lost my X resolution upon booting back into KDE, I was there with only what amounted to 800x600 (actually something weirder than that) and could NOT restore my X session, tried to reconfigure X -- nada. The machine is triple booted with three different drives, X worked fine on the other variants -- I thought the integrated video_chip went bad, that was not the case, just 6.1 was bad, that was a bittersweet relief. When I did try to start X in the beginning the whole system wedged, could not understand why just adding the "device atapicam" line to a new kernel would do this, something got corrupted. I was getting "perfect" config files with "Xorg -configure" and no matter what, nothing now. Isn't 6.2 coming out soon? > > mvh > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Bill Schoolcraft <<<<*>>>> http://wiliweld.com <*> " If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 18:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEFE16A494 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryanfirst@sympatico.ca) Received: from BAYC1-PASMTP04.bayc1.hotmail.com (bayc1-pasmtp04.bayc1.hotmail.com [65.54.191.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF51043D66 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ryanfirst@sympatico.ca) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.229.16.14] X-Originating-Email: [ryanfirst@sympatico.ca] Received: from moreprivate ([64.229.16.14]) by BAYC1-PASMTP04.bayc1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c6d503$cec0d540$6401a8c0@moreprivate> From: "RJ" To: References: <20a8c0f30609051744r71f9f47ak831a418cb063f836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:06:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2006 18:00:25.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE026AE0:01C6D502] Subject: Re: easy patch management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:34 -0000 Suggestions from another rookie(me): I use the ports tree and portsnap, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/portsnap.html, and when it's time to update the following "one liner" works great for me: cd /boot/ ; cp -Rp kernel kernel.good ; cd /usr/src ; cvsup -gL2 /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile ; make -j4 buildworld ; make buildkernel ; make installkernel ; make installworld; mergermaster ; reboot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Bliss" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: easy patch management tools > Hi everyone, first let me say that I'm pretty new to bsd, so please forgive > the newbie questions; I've been using linux (redhat, suse, centos) for many > years, and so learning bsd was a bit of a learning curve, but not bad (I > almost never use gui's for administration); I was wondering if there are any > packagement tools for freebsd/pcbsd that offer simular functionality to > up2date or yum; I take care of installing and updating complete rpm based > systems using yum, and have not found a tool simular to yum for freebds (I'm > also trying to stay away from pbi's, since they are specific to pcbsd); I've > used the pkg_add, pkg_delete, portupgrade tools, but am just looking for an > easy way to ensure my entire bsd box is updated; Also, as I understand it, > bsd makes use of ports, by using tools such as cvsup, however I have never > had much success compiling my own software, as such much prefer to use > binary packages, which I understand that the freebsd authors provide; for > example, if I wanted to install pine, I would much rather install it by > running pkg_add -r pine ; I'm just looking for a simple way to update > currently installed binaries, simular to installing new binaries with > pkg_add ; thanks very much for your help with this. > > Aaron > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 18:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3B616A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29D1043EB9 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:11:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57825 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 18:11:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NneMWfNvjq3UcwtAguoOdtWla9DbctnY3UyU5vMYfASL0yGGfK8FTeXMPkGO5QCWAXOP3epR+0Kwm+gpmjBu6cDOo9ArKYf5L9gD5nV4cN6XUBk45CbJRrZi2IvSpI8vw/GwF0fo7WKyaEXs29wyzvTZPqtaqZsKXiM3pQKB3iY= ; Message-ID: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:11:36 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:16:21 -0000 FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 18:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BFF16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D6543D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CB69D850 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-27-125.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.27.125]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DB3D908E0 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:26:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: SnapShot Magic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:51 -0000 Hi: Last week I installed all the bits and pieces to do automatic snapshots, and allow regular users to retreive lost/corrupted data from hours, days, and weeks ago. It was all quite simple, and logical. Now that it has been running for several days I have a few questions. How can this be?: $ snapshot list /usr Filesystem User User% Snap Snap% Snapshot /usr 11399MB 37.1% 116MB 0.4% daily.0 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 136MB 0.4% daily.1 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 25MB 0.1% hourly.0 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 28MB 0.1% hourly.1 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 117MB 0.4% hourly.2 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 120MB 0.4% hourly.3 How can /usr:hourly.0 be 25MB, and /usr:hourly.3 be 120MB ??? What's even more mystifying is this: $ ls -al /usr/.snap total 558260 drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Sep 10 12:00 . drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 512 Aug 23 13:55 .. -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 daily.0 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:03 daily.1 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.0 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.1 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.2 -r-------- 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:03 hourly.3 /usr is a 33GB HW/Raid partition, how can it possibly hold 6 33GB snapshots??? If I mount each one of these, they all report to df that they are indeed 33BB file systems! How is this magic achieved? Is there a doc somewhere with an explaination? TIA Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2666116A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B471E43D53 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41485 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 19:02:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dG01qb/42LRWWgKfKBV+QcZMyDRhsnTHgDuObEsa33crf+0TxvVfjY3KL2b1FfhKFSzcbYCK5M0Y9X8nxTeJ27CbFjdgNG3RPgagPxGYURYd+7roMoUgf8sped7yPP0T2YBEcJw2xt2/Itc99/VMgLsWMtIhtlQ8FpxeNDA5Ka4= ; Message-ID: <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:02:09 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <001701c6d509$09392600$2101a8c0@local.werner.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Martin Werner Subject: RE: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:10 -0000 --- Martin Werner wrote: > Hi, > > thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords > (see > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. > clamav-freshclam.sh > > Maybe you might want to have a look into "man rc" or > "man rcorder" > > Cheers, > -Martin- > > > FreeBSD 6.1 > > > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > > particular order. > > > clamav-clamd > > clamav-freshclam > > clamsmtpd > > saslauthd > > dovecot > > postfix > > fetchmail > > > By default, they do not start in that order. I have > > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in > > the > > order specified above. > < > > The problem is that every time I update these > > programs > > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the > > changes I have made. This then requires me to > > recreate > > the modifications to force the start up order I > > require. > > > > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a > > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be > > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; > > however, I have not discovered it. Martin, I don't think that you understood what I meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one of those files is updated, the rc.d file is overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I was trying to find someway to circumvent that procedure. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C80F16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbronson@wixb.com) Received: from shadow.sixcompanies.com (shadow.sixcompanies.com [65.43.82.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F543D5F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jbronson@wixb.com) Received: from coors.sixcompanies.com (client-89.sixcompanies.com [10.43.82.89]) by shadow.sixcompanies.com (8.14.0.PreAlpha1/8.14.0.PreAlpha1) with ESMTP id k8AJ6KSU011285; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200609101906.k8AJ6KSU011285@shadow.sixcompanies.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.6 (Beta) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:06:20 -0500 To: White Hat From: "J.D. Bronson" In-Reply-To: <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001701c6d509$09392600$2101a8c0@local.werner.st> <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Martin Werner , FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: RE: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:23 -0000 At 02:02 PM 9/10/2006, White Hat wrote: >--- Martin Werner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords > > (see > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. > > clamav-freshclam.sh > > > > Maybe you might want to have a look into "man rc" or > > "man rcorder" > > > > Cheers, > > -Martin- > > > > > FreeBSD 6.1 > > > > > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > > > particular order. > > > > > clamav-clamd > > > clamav-freshclam > > > clamsmtpd > > > saslauthd > > > dovecot > > > postfix > > > fetchmail > > > > > By default, they do not start in that order. I >have > > > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in > > > the > > > order specified above. > > < > > > The problem is that every time I update these > > > programs > > > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys >the > > > changes I have made. This then requires me to > > > recreate > > > the modifications to force the start up order I > > > require. > > > > > > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a > > > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might >be > > > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; > > > however, I have not discovered it. > >Martin, I don't think that you understood what I >meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. > >I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and >REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one >of those files is updated, the rc.d file is >overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. >I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I >was trying to find someway to circumvent that >procedure. how about putting them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d and then using a numeric to start them 001file.sh 002file.sh or create a script with just one file.sh ? -JD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:11:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A216A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEEC43D78 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:11:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fysical@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1684289pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:10:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oqj9aI943ylizj+3VFVXUw0wJAxWDlDczrG4zBz9AlLK49YGzotzFhdRPPmYvUaedAU5+NAyH/cQrkRo77nc35bY6Zm0FZaMgA78rHIHezPSs8IGV9nrS1Onimv3FesKrZg/7OrXmFLZFVlDdDn6tCp1bpUxppkuAqMEjNH2MIk= Received: by 10.65.219.4 with SMTP id w4mr1031245qbq; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.124.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73d604760609101210g2a239e38nf07f13bca477fda8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:40:45 +0530 From: "Viswas Nair" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Sis 190 linux to BSD driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:11:20 -0000 I have a Asus K8S-MX system with has the SiS190 integrated ethernet driver. The ethernet does get detected in the OS and I notice that there is no native BSD driver. I tried project evil and make an ndis wrapper around the windows driver. However this does not work. I have found the linux source for this driver. Could anyone give tips on how to covert this linux driver to work with BSD or any other alternate suggestion? Thanks, Vishy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C016A4CE for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from admin.mwci.net (corp.yournetplus.com [162.42.148.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF28D43D73 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (account d.hill@yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214] verified) by admin.mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 44685670; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:30 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1405126802.20060910192630@yournetplus.com> To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001701c6d509$09392600$2101a8c0@local.werner.st> <20060910190209.41483.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Duane Hill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:08 -0000 On Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 7:02:09 PM, White confabulated: > --- Martin Werner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords >> (see >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. >> clamav-freshclam.sh >> >> Maybe you might want to have a look into "man rc" or >> "man rcorder" >> >> Cheers, >> -Martin- >> >> > FreeBSD 6.1 >> > >> > I need to keep several programs starting in a >> > particular order. >> >> > clamav-clamd >> > clamav-freshclam >> > clamsmtpd >> > saslauthd >> > dovecot >> > postfix >> > fetchmail >> >> > By default, they do not start in that order. I > have >> > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in >> > the >> > order specified above. >> < >> > The problem is that every time I update these >> > programs >> > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys > the >> > changes I have made. This then requires me to >> > recreate >> > the modifications to force the start up order I >> > require. >> > >> > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a >> > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might > be >> > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; >> > however, I have not discovered it. > Martin, I don't think that you understood what I > meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. > I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and > REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one > of those files is updated, the rc.d file is > overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. > I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I > was trying to find someway to circumvent that > procedure. J.D. Bronson took the words from my fingers. I have a server application that needs the 5.0 compatibility loaded running on our 6.0 server. Once compat5x was installed via the port, the startup script that was placed within /usr/local/etc/rc.d had '000.' prepended to its name to ensure it was loaded before anything. I.e. 000.compat5x.sh. I also had the same scenario with order in startup. That was rectified by setting up one script to start each of the items in order. -- "This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 19:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF84416A416 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from mail.attiksystem.ch (f29.attiksystem.ch [212.147.59.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E713C43D6E for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Received: from poweredge.attiksystem.ch (poweredge.attiksystem.ch [10.0.0.29]) by mail.attiksystem.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8AJahou065371; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:36:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from philippe.lang@attiksystem.ch) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:36:43 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6D521.338D67A0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Message-ID: <6C0CF58A187DA5479245E0830AF84F421D1182@poweredge.attiksystem.ch> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recommended remote management card for FreeBSD 6.X? thread-index: AcbRkZ3OMf7J9WFZQ7mEN1hxM6qS9gDfp6/Q From: "Philippe Lang" To: "Nicklas B. Westerlund" X-Spam-Score: -1.44 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 10.0.0.111 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Recommended remote management card for FreeBSD 6.X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6D521.338D67A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Philippe Lang skrev: >> Hi, >> >> What remote management card (like Drac, for example) would > you recommend for a FreeBSD 6.X Server? > > I guess you'll get as many replies as there are vendors here, > but my 2 cents worth of advice is to go with the HP iLO / > iLO2 - they work like a charm! 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Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28D6F43D5F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:40:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92139 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 19:40:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4m3hiAsNKFzlXD8eUjR3a8bJaYnoLAh/0Om31dM5hhu+l7zQTRpd1YWl48/8KqMaWmEVX/xzix+TSjUDpP3dY/sHcrZ5o38wqjNb+ZtxYtBSvrbffT2wfPEtM/ugoA66QBwhSc9pvgKGqYNhUYNS/XaG2Q0tDFoaRxKfGy/DC4Y= ; Message-ID: <20060910194056.92137.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:40:56 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <200609101906.k8AJ6KSU011285@shadow.sixcompanies.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: RE: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:40:57 -0000 --- "J.D. Bronson" wrote: > how about putting them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d > and then using a numeric to start them > > 001file.sh > 002file.sh > > or create a script with just one file.sh ? I had considered that approach. The problem is if the program is updated it will will write a new file to the rc.d directory. Since I sort of automate the updating of my system, if I was not vigilante in inspecting the rc.d directory, I could very well end up with two scripts starting the same program. I am not sure how that would work; however, I would assume it would not be a good thing. Furthermore, I am not sure if the numeric thing would really work unless I also modified the REQUIRE: and BEFORE: settings in the scripts(s). I was hoping that there would be a master config file that I could manipulate so that each script is started in a precise order irregardless of its name. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B1416A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FEC43D46 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:05:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMVYr-0007tH-PV; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:49 +0100 Received: from [82.41.35.166] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMVYr-0004ug-45; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4504701C.6090104@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:48 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060515 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob References: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SnapShot Magic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:05:52 -0000 Bob wrote: >/usr is a 33GB HW/Raid partition, how can it possibly hold 6 33GB >snapshots??? > >If I mount each one of these, they all report to df that they are indeed 33BB >file systems! > >How is this magic achieved? > >Is there a doc somewhere with an explaination? > > Snapshots only hold the originals of blocks that have changed, but still look like a complete file system when you mount them. From man mount: > Further details can be found in the file at > /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot. > > which should have a pointer to the original paper. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CF316A47B for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@ghar.dhoomketu.net.in) Received: from youtele.com (sendmail.iqara.net [203.187.192.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB7343D5C for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shantanoo@ghar.dhoomketu.net.in) Received: (qmail 21632 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 20:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ghar.dhoomketu.net.in) ([203.109.124.67]) (envelope-sender ) by youtele.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Sep 2006 20:30:03 -0000 Received: by ghar.dhoomketu.net.in (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F388C2853A; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:17:42 +0530 (IST) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:17:42 +0530 From: Shantanoo Mahajan To: michael johnson Message-ID: <20060910194742.GA1297@madhosh.dhoomketu.net.in> Mail-Followup-To: michael johnson , Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Hmmm... I dunno X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE i386 X-UPTIME: 11:53PM up 1:19, 0 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.13, 0.09 X-Mailer-Website: http://www.mutt.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 614C 591B D401 98ED 1EF1 8BCF 30A1 5685 07A6 AA4B User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:42 -0000 +++ michael johnson [freebsd] [10-09-06 11:16 -0400]: | On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne wrote: | > | >anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives | >me | >this error: | > | >[root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus | >Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J?rg | >Schilling | >cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. | >cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. | >cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. | > | >i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is | >probably | >rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction | >here? | > | >[root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 | >[root@athena ~]# uname -a | >FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 | >13:08:08 | >CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 | > | >anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! # kldload atapicam # chmod 666 /dev/pass0 /dev/xpt0 /dev/cd0 > k3b Is what I generally use and it works for me. After you run 'kldload..' check the dmesg output immediatly. You shoud be able to see some 'cd0' or 'cd*'. 'dmesg | grep ^cd' Shantanoo -- Ignore everybody. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374F516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 863BE43D72 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:34:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 64895 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 20:34:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=vXUpRl9EnxhGa8oq/4gtbWkyp+QLqmRFP09mIQq7Fts1NzU1nQsJmg4x7uRkouN3TxG0zBs/LT/l3kk8l5rWDwQJ+paoxCpRMoQ6A+psfGjAJeOT57DS+Efp1WcDG2z9HrNWlTRQpzBzy+/4QNYD+8y0XSUlc7P9Z7XyL5Drxb8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.238.68.187 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 20:34:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:36:33 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060910203633.GA4512@powerfull.bsd> References: <20a8c0f30609051744r71f9f47ak831a418cb063f836@mail.gmail.com> <002701c6d503$cec0d540$6401a8c0@moreprivate> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002701c6d503$cec0d540$6401a8c0@moreprivate> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: easy patch management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:34:56 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 02:06:14PM -0400, RJ wrote: > Suggestions from another rookie(me): > > I use the ports tree and portsnap, > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/portsnap.html, and > when it's time to update the following "one liner" works great for me: > > cd /boot/ ; cp -Rp kernel kernel.good ; cd /usr/src ; cvsup -gL2 > /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile ; make -j4 buildworld ; make > buildkernel ; make installkernel ; make installworld; mergermaster ; reboot > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Bliss" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:44 PM > Subject: easy patch management tools > > > > Hi everyone, first let me say that I'm pretty new to bsd, so please > forgive > > the newbie questions; I've been using linux (redhat, suse, centos) for > many > > years, and so learning bsd was a bit of a learning curve, but not bad (I > > almost never use gui's for administration); I was wondering if there are > any > > packagement tools for freebsd/pcbsd that offer simular functionality to > > up2date or yum; I take care of installing and updating complete rpm based > > systems using yum, and have not found a tool simular to yum for freebds > (I'm > > also trying to stay away from pbi's, since they are specific to pcbsd); > I've > > used the pkg_add, pkg_delete, portupgrade tools, but am just looking for > an > > easy way to ensure my entire bsd box is updated; Also, as I understand it, > > bsd makes use of ports, by using tools such as cvsup, however I have never > > had much success compiling my own software, as such much prefer to use > > binary packages, which I understand that the freebsd authors provide; for > > example, if I wanted to install pine, I would much rather install it by > > running pkg_add -r pine ; I'm just looking for a simple way to update > > currently installed binaries, simular to installing new binaries with > > pkg_add ; thanks very much for your help with this. > > > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ I perfer to use portsnap with portupgrade. Others use portsnap with portmanager. Yet others will suggest portsnap with portmaster. I am not very familiar with portmaster, but I have used the other two to upgrade my system. Read the man pages for information on installing packages. -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 20:40:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D640916A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4400643D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:40:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 86972 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 20:40:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=Of5fOXKkopSI7TMkuIHHl/DOh7n1vDNKSPChhoTsxiMhh6iWlmPSwBYNWgILuzLoX4CJ36wN399o5h8SkF9TksX2h5hexM/nKqvZQS2lS9xTKzG0xM/lgMTbV6/en7wizyH0dR4c6NU/bgVKOTnTyfng2fZDtEvgXLGIyBsQ5Ts= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net@70.238.68.187 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 20:40:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:41:49 -0500 From: ajm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060910204149.GB4512@powerfull.bsd> References: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910181136.57823.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:40:10 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:11:36AM -0700, White Hat wrote: > FreeBSD 6.1 > > I need to keep several programs starting in a > particular order. > > clamav-clamd > clamav-freshclam > clamsmtpd > saslauthd > dovecot > postfix > fetchmail > > By default, they do not start in that order. I have > modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the > order specified above. > > The problem is that every time I update these programs > the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the > changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate > the modifications to force the start up order I > require. > > Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a > simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be > something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; > however, I have not discovered it. > > -- > > White Hat > pigskin_referee@yahoo.com > It is my understanding the files get called in alphabetical order. Look in your /usr/local/etc/rc.d directory. I had a small problem with squid and dansguardian not being call in order. Renaming one of them solved my problem. I hope this help... -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C112C16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rww@safllc.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565A643D55 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rww@safllc.com) Received: from DELL8400 (ool-182cb6b4.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.182.180]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J5E00FABBOLM100@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:29:11 -0400 From: Bob Walker To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcbVH2my8HNkAT8kSe2yaklKETc/NQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:16 -0000 Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1010916A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from zeus.dfwlp.com (zeus.dfwlp.com [208.11.134.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACCD43D5D for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by zeus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8ALavdQ041211; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:36:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: michael johnson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:36:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200609101013.34332.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <20060910194742.GA1297@madhosh.dhoomketu.net.in> In-Reply-To: <20060910194742.GA1297@madhosh.dhoomketu.net.in> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101636.57592.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on zeus.dfwlp.com Cc: Subject: Re: cdrecord not working the way expected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:37:05 -0000 On Sunday 10 September 2006 14:47, Shantanoo Mahajan wrote: > +++ michael johnson [freebsd] [10-09-06 11:16 -0400]: > | On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne wrote: > | >anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option > | > gives me > | >this error: > | > > | >[root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus > | >Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 > | > J?rg Schilling > | >cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. > | >cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. > | >cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. > | > > | >i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is > | >probably > | >rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction > | >here? > | > > | >[root@athena ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 > | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > | >acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA40 > | >[root@athena ~]# uname -a > | >FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 > | >13:08:08 > | >CDT 2006 root@athena.dfwlp.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 > | > > | >anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! > > # kldload atapicam > # chmod 666 /dev/pass0 /dev/xpt0 /dev/cd0 > > > k3b > > Is what I generally use and it works for me. After you run 'kldload..' > check the dmesg output immediatly. You shoud be able to see some 'cd0' > or 'cd*'. 'dmesg | grep ^cd' > > > Shantanoo thank you! that was it!! [root@athena ~]# kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 15 0xc0400000 6b5a90 kernel 2 2 0xc0ab6000 1adb8 linux.ko 3 1 0xc0ad1000 5f60 snd_ich.ko 4 2 0xc0ad7000 22b88 sound.ko 5 1 0xc0afa000 59e80 acpi.ko 6 1 0xc0b54000 4a3710 nvidia.ko 7 1 0xc86f5000 4000 atapicam.ko (dmesg...) 0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present [root@athena ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J=F6r= g=20 Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'LITE-ON ' 'COMBO SOHC-4832K' 'OQKB' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:46:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCF516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3E8643D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:46:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29471 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 21:46:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UokNRKhG6NOUMM+stlc08dRJAjK713rS/yw+9ghD98qRVzln/7kfG27iOFAo7geZmZD35XSHY0un9L5gU/GVsVzpIGqlNsudlD7ZOvk1mbj9USjwRTGpI8cVjmGvpLA3c596Mq3eip9NYoEd2C9Xx/mC8xu/TxLzsIoU03PT7A0= ; Message-ID: <20060910214613.29469.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:46:13 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <1405126802.20060910192630@yournetplus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:46:14 -0000 --- Duane Hill wrote: [...] > I also had the same scenario with order in startup. > That was rectified > by setting up one script to start each of the items > in order. I am assuming that you removed the scripts that you called from the rc.d directory. What transpired when you updated a program? Assuming it created a file in rc.d, you then had to manually remove it correct? I am thinking that I could create a script that would check to see if a file existed in rc.d that I had chosen to start manually and if so it would then delete or move the file. However, I would have to ensure that, that script started prior to any other script. It really should not be this difficult. A master file dictating the start order of every script in rc.d would be a cool idea. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 21:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C02F16A417 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rylwin@houston.rr.com) Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B96B43D4C for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rylwin@houston.rr.com) Received: from [128.252.48.91] (48rts91.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.48.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k8ALugdE018190 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:56:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45048A1E.1060207@houston.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:56:46 -0500 From: Ryan Winograd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Torrentflux, PHP, and Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:55 -0000 Hi all, I have a strange problem here. I just installed torrentflux on my freebsd6.1 box and it was working great for a few minutes. Then, for some reason i can't figure out, i was no longer able to view index.php. Other php files were parsed by the server just fine, but for some reason when i tried to access index.php I either got actual php code or a blank file. Let me reiterate that the other php pages for just fine...so I am a little confused. Any advice? Ideas on what could be causing this? Thanks in advance, ryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:04:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB3716A415 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D743D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DCD9D847; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-68-58-232-106.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B24AB54A21; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GMXPI-00033j-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:04:04 -0400 From: stan To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 17:49:48 up 146 days, 18:52, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.09, 0.04 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Cc: Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:15 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source > code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying > for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work > to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the > concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number > of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE85116A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-142-072.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.142.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE0243D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (2.chicago.erensfamily.com [64.81.227.169] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8AM4TNJ026691; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20060910165959.021d4858@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:06:20 -0500 To: Bob Walker , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:04:54 -0000 You are correct that FreeBSD is closer with roots to UNIX. You would have done better to post here first and get some pointers on installation. The basic install is usually easy on supported hardware. X and and GUI like gnome, kde, etc are NOT part of the OS. Unlike other OS's there is no GUI tied to FreeBSD. So most X window managers will work. But you should have done a little more research on X and whether your hardware is supported. A couple of the best parts of FreeBSD is the rich ports collection, support for even running the OS on "dated" hardware, and the flexibility of the OS. -Derek At 04:29 PM 9/10/2006, Bob Walker wrote: >Hi, > > > >I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the >decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux >system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to >transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I >downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially >favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" Unix, >and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both >the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > > >In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on >an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, >S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but >could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at >best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history >of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf >file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or >Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And >DesktopBSD was even worse. > > > >I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd >then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized >all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. >Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. >Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never >achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) >among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple >requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). >FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I >think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, > >Bob Walker >Surveys & Forecasts, LLC >2323 North Street >Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 >T +1.203.255.0505 >F +1.203.549.0635 >M +1.203.685.8860 >www.safllc.com > >.................................................................... >NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the >person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential >and privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination >or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the >intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, >immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email >and all other documents included with it. Thank you. > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F0D16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from admin.mwci.net (corp.yournetplus.com [162.42.148.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D7843D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d.hill@yournetplus.com) Received: from duane.dbq.yournetplus.com (account d.hill@yournetplus.com [65.124.230.214] verified) by admin.mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 44718588; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:38 +0000 From: Duane Hill X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1726681987.20060910220738@yournetplus.com> To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20060910214613.29469.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1405126802.20060910192630@yournetplus.com> <20060910214613.29469.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Duane Hill List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:13 -0000 On Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 9:46:13 PM, White confabulated: > --- Duane Hill wrote: > [...] > >> I also had the same scenario with order in startup. >> That was rectified >> by setting up one script to start each of the items >> in order. > I am assuming that you removed the scripts that you > called from the rc.d directory. What transpired when > you updated a program? Assuming it created a file in > rc.d, you then had to manually remove it correct? No. I believe I used the startup script for sa-spamd as a starting point. I'm sure others could be used as a starting point as well. I'm still in the learning process. That way I could remove the ones from the rc.conf that I wanted to start in order and use the 'force' option when loading them from the custom startup script. So, as an example, if you do not have a 'spamd="YES"' in the rc.conf and you attempt to start spamd from the console, it will not start. That is because of the sa-spamd startup script. If you attempt to start spamd from the console and supply 'force start', it will start. Therefore, in my startup script I left it out of the rc.conf and used the 'force start' in my custom startup script. > I am thinking that I could create a script that would > check to see if a file existed in rc.d that I had > chosen to start manually and if so it would then > delete or move the file. However, I would have to > ensure that, that script started prior to any other > script. > It really should not be this difficult. A master file > dictating the start order of every script in rc.d > would be a cool idea. -- "This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 22:20:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFA116A4AB for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1037A43D7B for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50894 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 22:20:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dSM49ciRESRlB4fDxoRh35wV6zVvUsPgjzqxQ54xnGdVC+uJxb2GWXP/xirL6O8x+NjweqXDpo+vLEdi2mRiRxaTOZgRSDY7GxHoQuZqL/cbHSOa8pZPshyjE6Mbz0GKojSA3603kuyaGCITO+bBzvl7/FCWpsdorFu2jWOu2hE= ; Message-ID: <20060910222042.50892.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:20:42 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: <1726681987.20060910220738@yournetplus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Making startup order static X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:46 -0000 --- Duane Hill wrote: [...] > No. I believe I used the startup script for > sa-spamd as a starting > point. I'm sure others could be used as a starting > point as well. I'm > still in the learning process. That way I could > remove the ones from > the rc.conf that I wanted to start in order and use > the 'force' option > when loading them from the custom startup script. > > So, as an example, if you do not have a > 'spamd="YES"' in the rc.conf > and you attempt to start spamd from the console, > it will not start. > That is because of the sa-spamd startup script. > If you attempt to > start spamd from the console and supply 'force > start', it will start. > Therefore, in my startup script I left it out of > the rc.conf and used > the 'force start' in my custom startup script. I can see how that could work. It is still a hack, but better than nothing. If I cannot come up with anything else, I will give that a try. [...] -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 23:00:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD07616A40F for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2118A43D45 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:00:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so1742107pye for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jNX2KRM+Y/fc8zeKsYILMgwBRez3agt0yAasrFqVg0AF8/tpc7pcfQM+DrqNsssHirLyxyYPEjALdOeIvEElPnALTF4lElkDEd+Ku03w7zbKjg3mWACytUimVOqATeahJEtnuwofcffTUBya7Q3CUte8Uzn+v9pAv46JmxMxRvI= Received: by 10.35.18.3 with SMTP id v3mr7622735pyi; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.44.12 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <340a29540609101600w5530255cvb5bb010c050ed052@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:00:34 -0600 From: "Andrew Falanga" To: freebsd-questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Windows "emulator" in amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:00:35 -0000 What package will work to run Windoze programs in FreeBSD/amd64? I don't usually worry about, but my Father switched to FreeBSD/amd64 (which is what I run) and he can't seem to find one. I first steered him toward vmware3, which I found in the ports. But it refused to install because of being the 64-bit OS. So, I tried to install wine, also from ports, and was told the same thing. I went to the wine web site and thought I remembered seeing something about using wine on amd64. So, what windows emulator can be run in amd64? Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 10 23:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D5716A403 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihilt@bluebottle.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD91B43D53 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:10:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ihilt@bluebottle.com) Received: from cpe-71-72-171-167.woh.res.rr.com (cpe-71-72-171-167.woh.res.rr.com [71.72.171.167]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8ANAW2w023986; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Graeme Hilt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:08:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20060909201151.30355.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> In-Reply-To: <089801c6d484$4812a1b0$0225a8c0@Wednesday> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609101908.25757.ihilt@bluebottle.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: jdow Subject: Re: Origin of hard drive parameters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:10:37 -0000 On Saturday 09 September 2006 10:53 pm, jdow wrote: > From: "stheg olloydson" > > > On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 -0000 ihilt wrote: > >>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote: > >>> >> Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or > > > > LBA mode, > > > >>> >> where are these parameters stored? > >>> > >>> They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard > > > > algorithm > > > >>> published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the > > > > data for > > > >>> all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives. > >> > >>Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it? > >> > >>Ian Graeme Hilt > > > > Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee > > And my idle curiosity would like to know why Ian is interested in > such an antiquated topic? There is a size limit beyond which CHS > simply does not work. The setting of CHS is in practice utterly > arbitrary. For (many/most?) USB ram disk plugins the T13 standard > does not apply due to internal ram layout. And so forth. > > (Certainly on the Amiga this CHS nonsense made no practical > difference except on floppy disks or ST-506 based disk drives. And > in playing with recovering a blown block zero on an Windows machine > (more than once) I learned that CHS is utterly arbitrary on Windows. > It is arbitrary with USB ram disk modulo the ram disk's internal > layout and spares setup. And since large disks for which CHS runs > out of size abound I imagine there is not a place in the 'n'x world > where CHS matters. So I am suspecting historical curiosity if > anything else. May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject of discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned that CHS, as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To be specific, drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive capacity. The reason I am interested in this topic is partially because of my "idle curiosity". I'm the type of person interested in the challenge of answering questions. The questions, "How does the BIOS automatically detect correct values for hard disks?" and, "Where is this information stored?" have been stuck in my head for at least 6 months. No amount of searching the web provided me with satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed to answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Mainly because I have found useful answers to other questions here. The other part of my reason is that one of my coworkers thought this information was stored on the platters of the hard drive. I thought differently but I could not _prove_ it. > As for storing it - read block zero of the disk. > Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write > to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff > and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk > manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote > more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was > toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely > hopes THAT defect is gone these days.) > > {O.O} Joanne Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into one: When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, from where is this information returned? -- ~ Ian Graeme Hilt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 00:58:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A796516A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AAE43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:58:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id k8B0vqXp057029; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:57:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:57:52 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060911005752.GF30620@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:58:01 -0000 In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > well reasoned technical answers. > > The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason > for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the > information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an > apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, > but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 01:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E7A16A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEF343D6D for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:22:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 23470 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 11:22:30 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 11:22:30 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:22:26 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Andrew Falanga" Message-ID: <20060911112226.3b561dcb@localhost> In-Reply-To: <340a29540609101600w5530255cvb5bb010c050ed052@mail.gmail.com> References: <340a29540609101600w5530255cvb5bb010c050ed052@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Windows "emulator" in amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:22:32 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:00:34 -0600 "Andrew Falanga" wrote: > What package will work to run Windoze programs in FreeBSD/amd64? I don't > usually worry about, but my > Father switched to FreeBSD/amd64 (which is what I run) and he can't seem to > find one. I first steered him toward vmware3, which I found in the ports. for vmware3 you'll still need a vmware for linux commercial license to use it. > But it refused to install because of being the 64-bit OS. So, I tried to > install wine, also from ports, and was told the same thing. I went to the > wine web site and thought I remembered seeing something about using wine on > amd64. So, what windows emulator can be run in amd64? have you tried qemu ? I particularly feel it's not worth the effort installing windows inside a vm like qemu..it's just feels soooo slow (because it is :) ... wine seems to me a better way to go, but i didnt know about the 64-bit issue. good luck, _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Law of Conservation of Perversity: we can't make something simpler without making something else more complex I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 01:34:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62A216A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3679E43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EA59DA2A; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-68-58-232-106.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DA7D908E0; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GMagk-0004Oc-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:34:18 -0400 From: stan To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20060911013418.GA16861@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Nelson , Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> <20060911005752.GF30620@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060911005752.GF30620@dan.emsphone.com> X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 21:32:23 up 146 days, 22:35, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Cc: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:20 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 07:57:52PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > > well reasoned technical answers. > > > > The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason > > for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the > > information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an > > apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, > > but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. > > FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. > Thanks you. That's the answer I was looking for. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 01:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB59D16A47C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0074943D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 24062 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 11:34:34 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 11:34:34 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:34:29 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060911113429.7e521d20@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060909051603.S981@ganymede.hub.org> References: <4501DE34.25561.1AFD75D6@dan.langille.org> <45022E30.4020905@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909001340.G981@ganymede.hub.org> <45027123.8000004@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909045857.C981@ganymede.hub.org> <4502760C.70102@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20060909051603.S981@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:34:35 -0000 On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:34:48 -0300 (ADT) "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > For those that are accusing bsdstats of being a "pissing match" ... I'm > personally tired of watching Linux get all the support when, IMHO, the > *BSDs are the better system ... the point of bsdstats is to show ppl that > do not support the *BSDs (native Flash plugin anyone?) that their is a > market they are missing out on ... well, if you put it like that, it makes more. ATI-X drivers is something that definitely interest me ;) _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Ninety percent of the time things turn out worse than you thought they would. The other ten percent of the time you had no right to expect that much." Augustine I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 02:14:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE38716A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225AF43D58 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rjhjr@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060911021424.EVEE18847.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:14:24 -0400 Received: from localhost ([68.230.186.138]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id LqE91V0032zbV0s0000000 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:14:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:14:23 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20060911021423.GA51888@kongemord.krig.net> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , Free BSD Questions list References: <20060910125631.GA29818@teddy.fas.com> <20060910155704.GA49622@kongemord.krig.net> <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060910220404.GB11266@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Top behavior differences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:26 -0000 On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:04:04PM -0400, stan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: > > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor > > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? > > > > Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source > > code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying > > for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work > > to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the > > concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number > > of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. > > > > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: > > > -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- > > Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got > well reasoned technical answers. They did if they asked for technical answers. What you actually asked, if you'll read your own e-mail, is why FBSD doesn't display the information the way Linux does. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 02:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3E916A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB6F43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 8287 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 02:20:41 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Sep 2006 02:20:41 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 9D75D2842A; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:40 -0400 (EDT) To: "Marwan Sultan" References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:20:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Marwan Sultan's message of "Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:22:49 +0000") Message-ID: <44ejujm9dz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.1 shutting down. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:42 -0000 "Marwan Sultan" writes: > Hello everyone, > > I'm On FreeBSD 6.1R, the box is intel945 extra Dlink NIC > P4.3 1G DDR2, 160GB sata. > > running Freeradius, chillispot, MySql 4.1, apache2. > acting as NAT and hotspot login. > > there is two diffrent servers with the same specifications. > > Its was working fine starting from day 1 to day 5 uptime. > and the other box from day 1 to 3, > with almost 30 users as hotspot login. > > On day 5, it had a sudden shutdown, some users called me reported > there is no internet > when i checked the server i discovered the box is off power. > > The second box after 3 days had the same problem. > > when i started the power, for both...again it start to work in a goodway. > > I was shocked.. checked messages, dmesg, and almost everything I > couldnot find any clue > in logs.. so > question 1, How would i check what happened for this power shutting down? Did the filesystems come up clean? That would be a hint that the kernel shut down on purpose. [I wouldn't expect it, since you said there were no hints in the logs, but it's worth checking. Next step is probably to set up a serial console and see if anything useful is showing up there when the shutdown occurs. Also try to get and track any information about system temperature, voltage, and so on; these kinds of phantom powerdowns are usually power trouble in my experience. > 2) > in my dmesg and since i was settingup the box, the following error > was always coming and on > single line > > atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! I can't find that message in the -STABLE sources. Admittedly, it was a very quick search, but are you sure you copied it exactly? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 02:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C896816A40F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@visi.com) Received: from cenn.mc.mpls.visi.com (cenn.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7B543D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:29:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gordon@visi.com) Received: from neit.visi.com (neit.visi.com [208.42.75.4]) by cenn.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038F8289; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by neit.visi.com (Postfix, from userid 15013) id AA17521B2D; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:32 -0500 From: Gordon Pedersen To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20060911022932.GA24983@visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: gordon@visi.com Subject: Fail update ruby from 1.8.2 to 1.8.5 (libruby18-static.a version issue) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gordon Pedersen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:29:33 -0000 Hi, I need help overcoming an obstacle updating ruby 1.8.2 to 1.8.5. I run FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE for i386 installed Sep 18 2005. I just updated the ports tree like this: # cvsup # make fetchindex # portsdb -Uu "pkgdb -F" shows only a couple issue, and they are not ruby-applicable: "stale origin" for acroread, plus some linux-atk related stale dependencies. I fail to build ruby as both static and non-static with same error message: # cd /usr/ports/lang/ruby18 or /usr/ports/lang/ruby18_static # make The make fails on this line with accompanying error message. cc main.o libruby18-static.a -lcrypt -lm -pthread -o miniruby -0 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -fPIC -DRUBY_EXPORT -rdynamic /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/i386-freebsd5/rbconfig.rb:7: ruby lib version (1.8.2) doesn't match executable version (1.8.5) (RuntimeError) ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/work/ruby-1.8.5. I notice that libruby18-static.a exists in 2 places: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1240338 Sep 30 2005 /usr/local/lib/libruby18-static -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1265402 Sep 10 21:11 /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/work/ruby-1.8.5/libruby18-static.a Seems like somehow I could use the latter newer version but I don't know how to configure for this when using "make" in the ports. Or maybe there is a better way. Couldn't find applicable suggestions using google or the search feature for this mailing list. Am not sure of good way to update ruby, any help so I understand how to manage this and potential other critical components like perl is appreciated. Thanks for suggestions. -- Gordon Pedersen gordon@visi.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 03:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B490D16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6885F43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:43:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@tania.servebbs.org) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F028D9D8A0 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-71-247-53-141.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.247.53.141]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44919D908E1 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Organization: TamaraB To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:43:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200609101426.52892.bob@tania.servebbs.org> <4504701C.6090104@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4504701C.6090104@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609102343.06905.bob@tania.servebbs.org> Subject: Re: SnapShot Magic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:43:04 -0000 On Sunday 10 September 2006 16:05, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > From man mount: > > Further details can be found in the file at > > /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot. Thanks Alex! While we are on the subject, is there an easy way of determining when a particular snapshot was created? The rotation of snapshots obscures their creation date, and "snapshot list" doesn't give a clue. TIA Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 03:44:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D35516A412 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B73F43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:44:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1488336wxd for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SGhd45TvYVh3XrmgGJ6z2dF3INjVwNbfaSB7rtwoeMSrjMqJ5DPfqiCLKL/pqspfEGXREpavK5hTM/e2uKtGXDLO5oFXnXk4e48baUJ0nhW2gVj7WGRphUxVDVjQd7krJuFw6GCHLbYTHnMXPSeIbG5TCGIzgJgc8IAGgO822Vw= Received: by 10.90.65.11 with SMTP id n11mr1403847aga; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.56.6 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0609102044k27a84659ye4e892cc6097fff9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:44:01 -0700 From: "Josh Carroll" Sender: josh.carroll@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d79fc9236cf144e Cc: Johan Johansen , Bill-Schoolcraft Subject: Re: atapicam trouble (me too) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:44:03 -0000 Neither disabling atapicam nor atapicd works on my Core2Duo system. I don't know whether it's related to the new IDE controllers (JMicron 363 and Intel ICH8) or a similar problem to what you're reporting. The best I can do is about 3MB/s with atapicd and DMA disabled and also with atapicam. Both have problems reading files from a DVD, I end up getting READ_BIG errors from the kernel. Sure would like to be able to use this DVD drive in FreeBSD! :) Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 04:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CE816A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kruptos@mlinux.org) Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7778043D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:32:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kruptos@mlinux.org) Received: from fnord.quux.edu (21.39.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com [65.33.39.21]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8B4WC26016852; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:32:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Brunelle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:32:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> In-Reply-To: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609110032.11994.kruptos@mlinux.org> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Bob Walker Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:32:15 -0000 > In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts > on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard > drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, > but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy > at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory > history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the > /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics > card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 > display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. The Handbook is excellent at walking through much of the setup. Although, in cases similar to yours I always recommend starting with the article designed for people new to both FreeBSD and Unix. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users/index.html This gets you started on all the basics you'll need to know to get everything else under control and is short enough that you don't feel compelled to jump around and possibly miss stuff. It doesn't cover X setup but gets you comfortable working in the command line which is what you're going to need to be proficient at until you have X configured. X is usually fairly easy to setup but you need to know how to move around. > Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. > Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never > achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) > among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple > requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). > FreeBSD has an awful "out of the box" experience. It's too bad, because I > think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, FreeBSD has an excellent out of the box experience, for the majority of people who use it. The best out of the box experience (for most BSD users) is a base system which is configured to be used well enough to set it up for whatever use you intend for it. Even moving to it completely new, it's not bad if you take the time to learn it. Moving to a different OS isn't something you should take lightly. There's a reason people are encouraged to read all the documentation they can before starting. With that said, the installation does require administrative ability. But since it's your machine, you will eventually need that. Huge learning curve right at the front but it's very gentle after that. My step-mother (who can't manage to understand why programs people send her don't run -- yes they're windows viruses -- and only knows her web-browser because it's the globe icon) manages to use FreeBSD without issue. She absolutely loves it and does everything you listed as simple requirements and more. But I set it up for her because she wasn't up for the learning curve. If you're of modest-technical ability and have a desire to learn the OS, it's not very difficult to overcome that curve. But the curve does exist. Anyway, when you're stuck, posting specific questions about your problems here (or trying google) is usually a lot more productive than giving up and sending an email about how it doesn't work to the help list. -Kevin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 04:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CBD16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AFE43D49 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:38:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BBF290408 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91982-05 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0D3290405 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 8AE5933DF1; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B9E33C4F for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:38:23 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911013751.S1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: bsdnews or daemonnews ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:38:26 -0000 does anyone know what's going on with those? trying to access both all night and nadda ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 05:03:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ECE16A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3882043D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:03:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1507633wxd for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uVjmyGffrQVnyMTjtKVVunZqP0Hf3DDcM7d1MqAC7BfS29W6WUO5uuGGLHYyL+JRZDv3jrWNSCSWs4/6rc4WwxEzfxsR8nZrbJfLSiwsjZbpZEt9a2L4IJPFOzZlvCIg6g81JNzb4p37AWysKKyxCYAkEy5G7RCmrWz7MJendZg= Received: by 10.90.100.6 with SMTP id x6mr1416748agb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.20 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:03:06 -0400 From: "David Stanford" To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060911013751.S1031@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060911013751.S1031@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bsdnews or daemonnews ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:03:07 -0000 I've forwarded this to Chris Coleman and Mikel King who run the site... On 9/11/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > does anyone know what's going on with those? trying to access both all > night and nadda ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org > ) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- [root@fbsd ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 05:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A119316A403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from typhoon.he.net (typhoon.he.net [64.62.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A54A43D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:26:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@wiliweld.com) Received: from liam ([71.141.72.46]) by typhoon.he.net for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:26:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill-Schoolcraft X-X-Sender: bill@liam To: Josh Carroll In-Reply-To: <8cb6106e0609102044k27a84659ye4e892cc6097fff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200609101011.k8AABiCA010204@tausa.cc.uit.no> <8cb6106e0609102044k27a84659ye4e892cc6097fff9@mail.gmail.com> System-ID: [en] (SuSE-9.3 64-bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Johan Johansen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapicam trouble () X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precede