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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 06:54:49 +0200 References: <21BE83BC-0667-44F7-83E4-1664A2BC6017@icloud.com> To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21BE83BC-0667-44F7-83E4-1664A2BC6017@icloud.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F7Nnf6Ht8z3Qk2 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [13.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.114.156.67:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_CSS(4.00)[46.114.156.67:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[46.114.156.67:received]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from:127.0.2.255]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.839]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 05:00:39 -0000 > Am 27.03.2021 um 18:26 schrieb Andrew Mitchell via freebsd-arm = : >=20 > Any good alternative to Raspberry for Arm64?=20 the simple answer is : no=20 - The longer answer is : RPI4 is the only cheap board offering 8GB RAM (for an unbeatable price), RK3399 has a 4GB RAM-limit ( don=E2=80=99t misunderstand the Rock Pi = N10/ 8GB , because 4GB are reserved for the NPU). If you think something doesn=E2=80=99t meet your needs with the RPI4 , = you can be nearly sure=20 that other cheap boards also don=E2=80=99t for FreeBSD ( I own some = others). One limitation on the 4B is the missing PCIe- slot, which is (1x lane) = available on the CM4- I/O-board, but for the cost of the loss of USB 3.0 on the I/O-board. - The `professional` answer is : of course , starting @~$500-$700(without accessories like RAM etc.) you can buy aarch64-dev-boards which completely outperform the RPI4=20 in performance and connectivity ;-) - =E2=80=A6and last but not least=E2=80=A6 - the most interesting answer is : > Am 27.03.2021 um 18:26 schrieb Andrew Mitchell via freebsd-arm = : > =E2=80=A6.smoothly =E2=80=A6. :-) for aarch64 :=20 if you really want to be SMOOTHLY HAPPY :-)=20 : .. buy an Apple M1 machine=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.. and wait what u-boot, "vm-ware" and BSD-OSes will have=20 to offer (I have "heard "something of that ) =E2=80=A6.. - Regards K.