From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 08:21:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A3616A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:21:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27C743D41 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:21:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBA8LcYs015006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:21:38 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id iBA8LcbA015004 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:21:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:21:38 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: FreeBSD Mailing list Message-ID: <20041210082138.GF32126@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Linux kernel on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:21:39 -0000 I recently ran across an intresting project, Debian GNU/FreeBSD, a FreeBSD kernel running with the standard userland from the GNU Project. This surprised me as it almost seems like the exact opposite of what I'd want. Now this does give me an idea, what about making Linux/FreeBSD, the Linux kernel with the userland from FreeBSD. Ideally, I'd just like to run a straight FreeBSD system, but I can't seem to get rid of my Linux partition, and it's mainly because of features/drivers that linux has, but freebsd does not. For example, I recently ran across the problem that my realtek 10/100 nic is not supported under the freebsd kernel, but it is very supported under linux for some time now. My intel sound card is also not supported, neither is my webcam nor my sony clie, all of which is supported under linux. Also, I've found the Netfilter firewall in Linux to be, IMHO, a little better designed than ipfilter or ipfw in freebsd, and it definetely has more features than those two freebsd firewalls. Now I'm not trying to slam freebsd, but I do think that linux has better driver support, if for no other reason than that it has more developers that use linux. I do believe that freebsd has had a much better firewall than linux's former firewalls, and I have yet to look at pf to see how it compares. I also think that the quality of the freebsd source code is also higher overall, but the linux kernel seems to work well enough and, for a desktop, I find it much nice for hardware support, but I still prefer freebsd userland to the bloated gnu userland. I hate distro's that decide bash is the best choice for writing all the system startup scripts in when I'm trying to run linux on a system with minimal ram, or even with plenty of ram. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C