From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 11 00:30:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD41816A4CE; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:30:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2out.barnet.com.au (mail2out.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19AA43D2F; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:30:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail2out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 27) id 22279707461; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:30:26 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <4230E6A2000106DDDD7808@BarNet> Received: from mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (mail2.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1D170745A; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:30:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (edwin-3.int.barnet.com.au [10.10.12.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C47707458; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:30:25 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9408861FE; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:30:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:30:23 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: David O'Brien Message-ID: <20050311003023.GH1118@k7.mavetju> References: <200503101905.j2AJ5B6R013928@repoman.freebsd.org> <42309B5B.7020201@FreeBSD.org> <20050310235755.GB58785@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050310235755.GB58785@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: ports-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/net/rdesktop pkg-plist X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:30:28 -0000 On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 03:57:55PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > Have we become so process oriented that we've become paralyzed?? No. But due to the size of the framework, the (in)compatibility issues between different make(1)s and the lack of knowledge of Makefiles, the commiting of changes to bsd.port.mk has become more structured. This means that there will be sometimes a longer delay before changes get commited, but it also means that unambigious failures get caught before systems break. I agree that lack of knowledge of Makefiles shouldn't be a reason to delay things, but that's the current situation and that isn't something which is resolved easily. > Actually, yes we have. It boggles my mind where being a Ports Committer > in 1995 under Satoshi has turned into. It boggles my mind that a comment > fix to bsd.port.mk has to be run thru an experimental build. Yet portmgr Mine too. But with the current status, if they feel more comfortable with it, then who am I to complain about it? (I will complain, but I also won't hold it against them) > can't address issues of port stealing? No portmgr replied to the thread > when elk hijacked the 'bash' port from me. Two wrongs don't make it right. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://weblog.barnet.com.au/edwin/