From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 04:25:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1F3E33 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB06FB46 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.12.8] (cpe-108-184-156-247.socal.res.rr.com [108.184.156.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2O4M8xq061978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Client Authentication Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:22:07 -0700 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:25:32 -0000 I am not sure this is the best place to ask this, but I didn't see any = other maillists that seemed more appropriate. Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to = try passwords looking for one that works. When they do find one, we get = inundated by spam sent through that account throughout the world. The = situation is such that most of our users are older and their computer is = a hand-me-down so they can talk to their grandchildren. Passwords are a = great inconvenience for them and create numerous problems with = remembering them even when they are simple. Unfortunately, most of them = are quite easy to guess. Telling users to use more appropriate passwords is a complete waste of = my time. Its never going to make any changes as they probably would not = remember any other password (or where they wrote down the password). = This situation requires a technical solution. I have been investigating the use of client authentication through SSL. = DoD uses this approach by having the certificates on an ID card and a = card reader on each computer. We don't have the money to use that = approach no could we every get our users to spring for that. I was = hoping to figure out a way to put the certificate on a flash drive or CD = that the user would carry. The approach we use has to also work for = iPads, smart phones etc that do not have an interface for a card reader. At this time, I have successfully configured a test for openssl client = authentication using a client certificate. There are a few issues = remaining. DoD uses a p12 format for their certificates. Many browsers = support that format. It encrypts the certificate and private key so = they are not easily obtained from the smart card. Openssl's s_client = uses pem certificates and the key has to be included in the certificate = file. While that is easily transported on CD or flash drive, the = private key is in the clear on the device. Thats not really viable. S_client works properly without a certificate when the certificate check = in the server is set to not fail if a certificate is not provided. This = is needed because we will never get all our users to use this approach = at home. They will still want to use passwords. Since the certificate = request is made before the connection information is available, there is = no easy way to request it only when needed. I have only been able to = test with the Safari browser and it does not handle the no certificate = case properly. I believe it is dropping the connection when the user = does not select a certificate. I still have to test the other browsers. There is an interesting aspect of openssl that the certificate it uses = for normal SSL authentication is not used for client authentication. = There are another completely different set of calls that have to be made = to set the certificate/key for use in validating the client = certificates. Much of this is only documented in existing code. With Safari you have to import the client's certificate into the = keychain. Then it works fine. Unfortunately, it doesn't go away when = you are done with it. Unlike the smart card which, when removed, = removes the certificate, the Safari certificate can continue to be used = by anyone afterwards. Hence, its not all that useful for = authentication. One approach I have heard about, but not investigated = yet is to place the keychain on the removable device. That would make = it go away. However, that approach would not work with any other = browser or mail program. Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, -- Doug= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 04:51:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD518EE for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-x232.google.com (mail-vb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFE3CFB for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ft2so3374242vbb.9 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gprDqx6KQoKPfxBH6C8s3+Hbj6pFwrNpPZclYanLTMo=; b=jpdTEG3lfEcxXMfxpZYswylljig0DMxdVUQKyPtLaqdcEqdTNO6BWkhT+dIAiOVWk3 JG+c06S48LkFDKFf3LUji7UxzbcMfRvTsWaR4MxNtJjoA/P57hE3eBQZQvyGrdqSSEJD 8ppdf0Uycoa5Xz3HZH1rz89YQlCOu9k40jpBVLR6veKNdj3KI+WSGdjCvlV8wAOYTq1z jtGwyUS9T8m0l/5TXagb13dSYzIUrFje0VpmOi0LJwa9L1cPV0iALv1+LdYKH2Y7t7Cb 9xhTAlsIEpg2gnLizcO5PgcPNqBqi+8hFh0grHfzSI+OB8RO1LoUBLzzPp5k9mue/44B ZS3Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.140.18 with SMTP id g18mr9709127vcu.54.1364100713392; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.132.203 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:51:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:51:54 -0000 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: > I am not sure this is the best place to ask this, but I didn't see any > other maillists that seemed more appropriate. > > Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try > passwords looking for one that works. When they do find one, we get > inundated by spam sent through that account throughout the world. The > situation is such that most of our users are older and their computer is a > hand-me-down so they can talk to their grandchildren. Passwords are a > great inconvenience for them and create numerous problems with remembering > them even when they are simple. Unfortunately, most of them are quite easy > to guess. > > Telling users to use more appropriate passwords is a complete waste of my > time. Its never going to make any changes as they probably would not > remember any other password (or where they wrote down the password). This > situation requires a technical solution. > > I have been investigating the use of client authentication through SSL. > DoD uses this approach by having the certificates on an ID card and a card > reader on each computer. We don't have the money to use that approach no > could we every get our users to spring for that. I was hoping to figure > out a way to put the certificate on a flash drive or CD that the user would > carry. The approach we use has to also work for iPads, smart phones etc > that do not have an interface for a card reader. > > At this time, I have successfully configured a test for openssl client > authentication using a client certificate. There are a few issues > remaining. DoD uses a p12 format for their certificates. Many browsers > support that format. It encrypts the certificate and private key so they > are not easily obtained from the smart card. Openssl's s_client uses pem > certificates and the key has to be included in the certificate file. While > that is easily transported on CD or flash drive, the private key is in the > clear on the device. Thats not really viable. > > S_client works properly without a certificate when the certificate check > in the server is set to not fail if a certificate is not provided. This is > needed because we will never get all our users to use this approach at > home. They will still want to use passwords. Since the certificate > request is made before the connection information is available, there is no > easy way to request it only when needed. I have only been able to test > with the Safari browser and it does not handle the no certificate case > properly. I believe it is dropping the connection when the user does not > select a certificate. I still have to test the other browsers. > > There is an interesting aspect of openssl that the certificate it uses for > normal SSL authentication is not used for client authentication. There are > another completely different set of calls that have to be made to set the > certificate/key for use in validating the client certificates. Much of > this is only documented in existing code. > > With Safari you have to import the client's certificate into the keychain. > Then it works fine. Unfortunately, it doesn't go away when you are done > with it. Unlike the smart card which, when removed, removes the > certificate, the Safari certificate can continue to be used by anyone > afterwards. Hence, its not all that useful for authentication. One > approach I have heard about, but not investigated yet is to place the > keychain on the removable device. That would make it go away. However, > that approach would not work with any other browser or mail program. > > Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, > > -- Doug > Using Static IP in the client side , and checking Static IP of the user may be a possibility : In that way , any message from another IP will not be accepted . If this is possible for your systems , it may be checked for usability . One difficulty is that each user should obtain a Static IP and can not connect to his/her ISP from another IP . Good side is that nobody can connect to ISP of the user from another IP : It supplies hardware security ( we are assuming that the user computer is not captured ) .. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 05:16:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E97139 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE45E71 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.12.8] (cpe-108-184-156-247.socal.res.rr.com [108.184.156.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2O5Gcet063190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:16:37 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> References: To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:16:39 -0000 On 23 March 2013, at 21:51, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk = wrote: >=20 > Using Static IP in the client side , and checking Static IP of the = user may be a possibility : > In that way , any message from another IP will not be accepted . >=20 > If this is possible for your systems , it may be checked for usability = . >=20 > One difficulty is that each user should obtain a Static IP and can not = connect to his/her ISP from another IP . >=20 > Good side is that nobody can connect to ISP of the user from another = IP : It supplies hardware security ( we are assuming that the user = computer is not captured ) .. That is an interesting idea, but unfortunately our users tend to travel = a lot and need to be able to access mail from anywhere. Also, static = IPs can get quite expensive from some ISPs. Our users are pretty much = on fixed incomes and any expense is a hardship for them. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 06:06:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331EDF8B for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0A329C for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id kw10so4149518vcb.28 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DXzqSpCebdHo9X1iZ/unP13/NBo5VqbltQgAZuc7RMM=; b=NmbfnH7I/fRgnSpQxwzhWKl0lV399fXYy/DuwVUdysrDPxJa//P4UctwIHgnGC2XaM GKn0EzGqvzCFeXXAvvrF9CIzYr+trd3iAtBNHoEzy0qx+EAqh6douaiaDKmw2gOs+lyt QLJBju/o8WcDCoGJOTfDUe+/Xbb6Y48N63fm6uKNIftHsPU/cQhzJWp41rVBbBlMPk3L HVW+bnrli/5IVYm1ARgc1BslEGLJmaFHFsNGOmAr4BJhz8lvNVB/bmB+/8kDTuttOscA dpIy/3j74jUP75pnl81whKJL6sbU0uF5d/VphBNfs6riMqA+83LS6PiyqotEJmQ3x2uj TEzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.249.105 with SMTP id yt9mr5205256vdc.86.1364104754346; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.132.203 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:59:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> References: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:06:45 -0000 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 23 March 2013, at 21:51, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > wrote: > > > > > Using Static IP in the client side , and checking Static IP of the user > may be a possibility : > > In that way , any message from another IP will not be accepted . > > > > If this is possible for your systems , it may be checked for usability . > > > > One difficulty is that each user should obtain a Static IP and can not > connect to his/her ISP from another IP . > > > > Good side is that nobody can connect to ISP of the user from another IP > : It supplies hardware security ( we are assuming that the user computer is > not captured ) .. > > That is an interesting idea, but unfortunately our users tend to travel a > lot and need to be able to access mail from anywhere. Also, static IPs can > get quite expensive from some ISPs. Our users are pretty much on fixed > incomes and any expense is a hardship for them. > > -- Doug > > The following steps may be another idea : Assume that you supply to your users a small login program prepared for them specifically ( since you are using SSH ) : Compile that program for each user with a special identifier for him/her and ship this program to your user and require that the login will be performed by this program . This program will send a very long code to your system with user password which is only known to you and to your user . Since external users will not know this code , they will not be able to login into their accounts by using only password . This will also easily identify fake login trials : It is very obvious that to estimate a very long code will require a large number of tries : If code fails , it means that login trial is from a fake user . If password fails , it may be allowed a fixed number of trials ( The banks are allowing only TWO failed passwords , on third , a new attempt can be made after 24 hours , in Turkey ) . This program may also additionally send computer signature to your system which is previously send to you on subscription computed by a program prepared by you . If the user changes / or uses a different computer , he/she should supply a signature of the computer . Here , important point is that , always you should verify that you are communicating the real user , not a faked user in behalf of the real user . For the stolen program/codes , prepare a new program and ship to the user . Another idea may be the following : Assume the user computer is NOT captured by a criminal bandit . On subscription , send to the user a square bar code printed on a card like credit card having a very long code specifically prepared for the user . On login , the user will show this card to the camera of the computer and will be transmitted to your system . In your system , it will be decoded , and it will be used to identify the user with his/her password . If this application is used , it may not be necessary to send the users a special login program prepared for each of them . Thank you very much . Mehmet ERol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:04:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A1DB10 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f47.google.com (mail-qe0-f47.google.com [209.85.128.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903DB194 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id w7so1659571qeb.20 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=HX2poqgQBZT+9Wm8puOh4oKS/TnQU7jXBecAAX/l89k=; b=KwamYwHxLcCb4GjzhKkdzSb+gJq9KMZb07xqDAWbFENZGnAgn+umwgkasXQUMWumyc uaWOExPJw9LokuhgFoBb8sCZgsh5PloDJI96Cdgep3qMSrlV3hMI/899ePMAKmq0yUdy lQNYwPI9pO8p4u3ipkPLsMaEGlyIfej76ISz1q3b8CzzcfR5DkZm7i0lhRGv+pfQqHKU Ix7Sa3h5uapR2m4TezBFGEHSIKR5F4yMfGZTCxc39N9gBGQsXobqqVlnkUNx+lMdDGtw zHaEn4mW4jA6Z4AWYfv1LWaz15q04jHE8JFa14Ezd5aabDkQ0Pl8kTmQnupSNZZyVkQ6 dZzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.117.7 with SMTP id ka7mr2684788qeb.38.1364112238254; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.132.98 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:03:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yiGMoFDvzkBuTI69MxVctJh4rp8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: CeDeROM To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:04:04 -0000 Why don't you just use PKI for authentication (you can generate your own certificates)? You can easily upload keys/certificated to client machines (PC, Android, Apple, ...). That should work :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:06:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A2BC23 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x231.google.com (mail-qc0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EDA1CE for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u28so1831251qcs.8 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=f/CfFropba0tgqc1ASEfde/mhKHajbfc79s8Jfu3fvU=; b=J7n/JkIewCFW4K88r40xtvXMwe+C2e1ZW3hIMKBwcRPNt8o2y84P1kELaRrj0FzN0B vUnfoUhbL1ZnZwLUaeiTyADp67L37hyQ5KKNYHNpI/lN6OeQ4CdzkhzIVuBNwmCTT8pO t6OEngDe71uM7iRoilF39/Thak4SbtKrTzXFm5ek8ac1pFcdunZU8J70zMpfwcZ/StZT 9+ufWqdWYk3ppLHUr5SmHwljQFNJMbtPk1JMW4+K3dXF+9gafmc5jHPeREeFqAQSmxCW VqJrGZy2RisFux1IkN4pszZvU9lBUSJpghM8v47J42dTrGMRTdQnKRa1DjymA26ay2Ey up0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.78.212 with SMTP id m20mr1103923qck.94.1364112387827; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.132.98 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:06:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:06:27 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9nicWazZ_0tbDCFEiQ0W7MOpN9k Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: CeDeROM To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:06:28 -0000 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM, CeDeROM wrote: > Why don't you just use PKI for authentication (you can generate your > own certificates)? You can easily upload keys/certificated to client > machines (PC, Android, Apple, ...). That should work :-) You can additionally encrypt keys/vertificates with a easy to remember short PIN or password for increased security. I have seen this working with Aladdin eToken maybe there is a pure software solution :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:10:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087C2DD0 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x232.google.com (mail-bk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A58623F for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id jg9so2376864bkc.9 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:10:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yQRR3TivELHeE5j/gZWES4AFgK5FUpuFg8xcWLLAB5A=; b=dSBQD0W/MXkTHjrJBAdLMqvv6JiC0XwipGQHwRz2abOBVQaTGApZJk6xbFYxaLpNxg Nzexc8sY/TpHxAhTK3oVnYFb7PH80PU4mrsO/1LlARb/0a8dUgB5DuFpcojCVqcowbZ9 d+tDb/TmdhWIZRVRbRar4zufLfHWaHHfNwLj6cgGCXutOA0ErVzoW7gkCkljlM2VOMyn c8SUKjKx70IUdLj0ny78SG2sECKwXzqmDRX6pSgysV0iFLZ+IwYHJJCRdwNP4ltd9x0M FVKyIlS4qzo518HSqn5faKocX7iXu5yXrhu6+JvdCyAmsI82b3RlfLVdmG2eiDyOw6vf kz/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.188.81 with SMTP id cz17mr3570617bkb.91.1364112608680; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:10:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:10:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Waitman Gobble To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:10:10 -0000 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: > > Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try > passwords looking for one that works. When they do find one, we get > inundated by spam sent through that account throughout the world. The > situation is such that most of our users are older and their computer is a > hand-me-down so they can talk to their grandchildren. Passwords are a > great inconvenience for them and create numerous problems with remembering > them even when they are simple. Unfortunately, most of them are quite easy > to guess. > > You might consider disabling external smtp auth service and using ssh tunnel to server to connect to mail. Also provide web based convenience service. It might be interesting to encrypt mail to the user's cloud service that operates in a gpg zone. I think this operation could be mostly transparent to the user, so kids and granpamas can use it without concern. -- Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:16:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5938100B for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06402DF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2O8GYum066496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:16:33 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <85D3DEE2-3E4E-4B68-87B0-6B946F15581C@lafn.org> References: To: CeDeROM X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:16:37 -0000 On 24 March 2013, at 01:03, CeDeROM wrote: > Why don't you just use PKI for authentication (you can generate your > own certificates)? You can easily upload keys/certificated to client > machines (PC, Android, Apple, ...). That should work :-) >=20 Thats exactly what I have been testing. Its easy in concept, but there = are issues in the details. Once the certificate is loaded in a Mac and = the password entered, its available for anyone to use thereafter. You = actually have to remove the certificate from the keychain to disable it. = Not a great approach for shared computers. Most users will not know = how to remove it properly. I don't know about PCs yet though. In = addition there are possible issues with mail clients. I have not tried = them yet. It all depends if they can handle p12 format certificates. = Pem format certificates must have the private key in plain format which = renders them completely insecure. Then there still is the issue about Safari (at least) not handling the = no certificate case properly. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:21:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B001183 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FDF36A for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2O8LDOd066567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:21:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15F2FFE1-C05D-4663-BCD6-58A893CA1C24@lafn.org> References: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:21:14 -0000 On 23 March 2013, at 22:59, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk = wrote: > The following steps may be another idea : >=20 > Assume that you supply to your users a small login program prepared = for them specifically ( since you are using SSH ) : >=20 > Compile that program for each user with a special identifier for = him/her and ship this program to your user and require that the login = will be performed by this program . This program will send a very long = code to your system with user password which is only known to you and to = your user . Since external users will not know this code , they will = not be able to login into their accounts by using only password . >=20 > This will also easily identify fake login trials : It is very obvious = that to estimate a very long code will require a large number of tries : = If code fails , it means that login trial is from a fake user . > If password fails , it may be allowed a fixed number of trials ( The = banks are allowing only TWO failed passwords , on third , a new attempt = can be made after 24 hours , in Turkey ) . >=20 > This program may also additionally send computer signature to your = system which is previously send to you on subscription computed by a = program prepared by you . >=20 > If the user changes / or uses a different computer , he/she should = supply a signature of the computer . =20 >=20 > Here , important point is that , always you should verify that you are = communicating the real user , not a faked user in behalf of the real = user . >=20 > For the stolen program/codes , prepare a new program and ship to the = user . Thats an interesting approach but becomes difficult to use when = traveling as you have no idea what computer you will be able to use = today until you get to it. Then you might have only a few minutes = access to it before moving on. >=20 > Another idea may be the following : >=20 > Assume the user computer is NOT captured by a criminal bandit . >=20 > On subscription , send to the user a square bar code printed on a card = like credit card having a very long code specifically prepared for the = user . > On login , the user will show this card to the camera of the computer = and will be transmitted to your system . In your system , it will be = decoded , and it will be used to identify the user with his/her password = . >=20 > If this application is used , it may not be necessary to send the = users a special login program prepared for each of them . >=20 This idea shows a lot of promise. I have to figure out how to tie it = into mail, web etc. There is libqrencode for creating the QR images. I = am downloading it now. =20 -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:22:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A8D124B for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C615386 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A021E3CAE3; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:22:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2O8Mm9K003090; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:22:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:22:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Client Authentication Message-Id: <20130324092248.76809163.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <85D3DEE2-3E4E-4B68-87B0-6B946F15581C@lafn.org> References: <85D3DEE2-3E4E-4B68-87B0-6B946F15581C@lafn.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:22:49 -0000 On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:16:33 -0700, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 24 March 2013, at 01:03, CeDeROM wrote: > > > Why don't you just use PKI for authentication (you can generate your > > own certificates)? You can easily upload keys/certificated to client > > machines (PC, Android, Apple, ...). That should work :-) > > > > Thats exactly what I have been testing. Its easy in concept, but > there are issues in the details. Once the certificate is loaded > in a Mac and the password entered, its available for anyone to use > thereafter. You actually have to remove the certificate from the > keychain to disable it. Not a great approach for shared computers. Wouldn't there be a possibility to combine key _and_ password? The key shouldn't have to be removed, but it should only work with a password (which again is kept individual to each user). The process has to be made "more uncomfortable" to be secure, i. e., the password should _not_ be stored, instead it _has_ to be entered every time the secure connection is to be used. If a different user gets his hands on a running session (in terms of user-separation or profiles on a particular machine), he won't be able to do anything with mail as he does not know the password, and the password will not be automatically provided for the sake of being "less complicated". I don't know your particular end user machine settings, so this is just a broad suggestion. Many things in this idea depend on what software the client systems use, and how this software actually deals with security-related settings and procedures. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:25:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0FA1358 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091A03FB for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2O8PFHC066652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:25:13 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <21ECABE0-0946-469F-8A6C-08194571A8D9@lafn.org> References: To: Waitman Gobble X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:25:16 -0000 On 24 March 2013, at 01:10, Waitman Gobble wrote: >=20 >=20 > You might consider disabling external smtp auth service and using ssh = tunnel to server to connect to mail. Also provide web based convenience = service.=20 I am not convinced that a ssh tunnel is going to be easy for my users. = We do provide a web based mail client, but I wouldn't describe it as = convenient. I find it a pain in the neck, but so many users requested = it that we provide it. It is password authenticated but so slow it will = never be attacked with password guessing. >=20 > It might be interesting to encrypt mail to the user's cloud service = that operates in a gpg zone. I think this operation could be mostly = transparent to the user, so kids and granpamas can use it without = concern. This one I don't understand. Can you provide pointers to this type of = service?= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:31:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F064B14F3 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77E8652 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id nd7so2967147qeb.10 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:31:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rnO+FBerrXvgwVEqoht9VjWiMyfvy9D+8v5anwuekUo=; b=Tgri7hzafygynwDaywj0C9+rtbOM32DF6NCws+5zhrTsJvOv2Ed1RBpdzhYeOa6Rt4 5ULqW8/Ew0DWAUEFTXBanhRx1LGk57sts/uP9U2KCCebF/ZghJEf7/bpoycqoeD7+kxu SdlGWe7LybvYMzfQxidrM1r0eRoFrrqIm2a/T/f/evYjTIzerErcQnkNgHfDkdG2/tL1 czGznn/zOw5wsMCphkeWZoL6NTpg0QApO07XIFhcgmarK5Hng4Ga3O5UOYRAJst6Cq3/ dF2KNDYK7ojJCS06DQ3yWnbkl5q2f1NXlMWMg5biUhc7hMqFQqCAlm25vsseUXm/+Auo UKlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.34.140 with SMTP id z12mr2812277qei.10.1364113870922; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.132.98 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:31:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130324092248.76809163.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <85D3DEE2-3E4E-4B68-87B0-6B946F15581C@lafn.org> <20130324092248.76809163.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:31:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: l1jtf8V6DfEh6aYN4Le1nAxONds Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: CeDeROM To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:31:18 -0000 Certificate + Password/PIN should be okay. You can maybe create a policy for the target system to enable a screensaver to block the screen after short period that will force user to enter his/hers password..? I know in theory all seems easy :-) :-) Good luck! :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:33:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9939515E6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B296695 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r2O8XC2Y066784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20130324092248.76809163.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:33:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <99C3507E-A7C5-4DC0-AB75-26D649CE8C97@lafn.org> References: <85D3DEE2-3E4E-4B68-87B0-6B946F15581C@lafn.org> <20130324092248.76809163.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:33:17 -0000 On 24 March 2013, at 01:22, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > Wouldn't there be a possibility to combine key _and_ password? > The key shouldn't have to be removed, but it should only work > with a password (which again is kept individual to each user). > The process has to be made "more uncomfortable" to be secure, > i. e., the password should _not_ be stored, instead it _has_ > to be entered every time the secure connection is to be used. > If a different user gets his hands on a running session (in > terms of user-separation or profiles on a particular machine), > he won't be able to do anything with mail as he does not know > the password, and the password will not be automatically > provided for the sake of being "less complicated". >=20 > I don't know your particular end user machine settings, so this > is just a broad suggestion. Many things in this idea depend on > what software the client systems use, and how this software > actually deals with security-related settings and procedures. The p12 format certificate includes the key and both are encrypted. = This seems like the best distribution format. =46rom what I have read = most browsers can handle this distribution format since it is used in = smart cards. However, on Safari, at least, when you import the = certificate you have to enter the encryption key for the certificate and = key. Then those are stored in the keychain (without any additional = reference to that encryption key). They than can be used by anyone on = that machine. It kind of defeats all the effort for security up to that = point. DoD addresses this issue by somehow making the certificate not be = imported into the keychain, but retained on the smart card only. = Pulling the card from the reader eliminates any future use of it. Thats = what I would like to achieve. -- Doug= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 08:48:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0602194F for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:48:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-x231.google.com (mail-ia0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737A27FD for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f177.google.com with SMTP id w33so1614348iag.36 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:48:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=o+NX5p43cpyKyABdLlTchKNJhkLoJ7tFHJHYuGLkxc0=; b=1APXY2dfCtGFOsa5q8kesIYyJkR70vQbRykIQ2GBL2rYRcagUHYifrKq4xAsQUEuIQ iXNue3ITIVJpdYkXWdT2Wpxl5tR9NA6yhdOqIYkKnYYw9ISI9eaRVaoKlmiAGqpfCCp7 YN54feZoWeuO+ZX8zCZ4ce6OV0GpfSzRUgvIkrgmLPcebmnWoAp2Okkj//aO/w7Zn1CA 6ZLsMwRFRzKTohzjUAYsp/AYU+SypKyLePRbD0hI2DD9kqFJJfb3vFDH9Curl60QKUpD r45PcCAb2w8Vd5ZzlkmXFXtm+P0DNnKFppnX+QRB3IwNwT5o0VVjzrINViMZ/woE2/Lh bwgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.92.4 with SMTP id ci4mr4939073igb.95.1364114916146; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.107.162 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:48:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <15F2FFE1-C05D-4663-BCD6-58A893CA1C24@lafn.org> References: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> <15F2FFE1-C05D-4663-BCD6-58A893CA1C24@lafn.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:48:36 -0000 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 23 March 2013, at 22:59, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > wrote: > > > The following steps may be another idea : > > > > Assume that you supply to your users a small login program prepared for > them specifically ( since you are using SSH ) : > > > > Compile that program for each user with a special identifier for him/her > and ship this program to your user and require that the login will be > performed by this program . This program will send a very long code to > your system with user password which is only known to you and to your user > . Since external users will not know this code , they will not be able to > login into their accounts by using only password . > > > > This will also easily identify fake login trials : It is very obvious > that to estimate a very long code will require a large number of tries : If > code fails , it means that login trial is from a fake user . > > If password fails , it may be allowed a fixed number of trials ( The > banks are allowing only TWO failed passwords , on third , a new attempt can > be made after 24 hours , in Turkey ) . > > > > This program may also additionally send computer signature to your > system which is previously send to you on subscription computed by a > program prepared by you . > > > > If the user changes / or uses a different computer , he/she should > supply a signature of the computer . > > > > Here , important point is that , always you should verify that you are > communicating the real user , not a faked user in behalf of the real user . > > > > For the stolen program/codes , prepare a new program and ship to the > user . > > Thats an interesting approach but becomes difficult to use when traveling > as you have no idea what computer you will be able to use today until you > get to it. Then you might have only a few minutes access to it before > moving on. > > > > > Another idea may be the following : > > > > Assume the user computer is NOT captured by a criminal bandit . > > > > On subscription , send to the user a square bar code printed on a card > like credit card having a very long code specifically prepared for the user > . > > On login , the user will show this card to the camera of the computer > and will be transmitted to your system . In your system , it will be > decoded , and it will be used to identify the user with his/her password . > > > > If this application is used , it may not be necessary to send the users > a special login program prepared for each of them . > > > > This idea shows a lot of promise. I have to figure out how to tie it into > mail, web etc. There is libqrencode for creating the QR images. I am > downloading it now. > > -- Doug > > A single method may not be so much useful for ALL the users . You may design a part for mostly static users . For traveling persons , by using relevant information in your system , you may use a approximate solution : QR code , password , computer signature : If two of them is correct , and in user profile there is an information that the user travels frequently , you may assume his/her login is correct . Another point may be that the user inform your system that he will travel between dates ( if foreing countries are involved , he may specify them ) . By using such information , it may be possible to identify users correctly as much as possible . This requires a good user profile definition in your system , and temporary exception which these exceptions should ALWAYS be obtained from fully verified login to prevent fake changes . As an example of bank robbery : A criminal , applying to a user GSM company instead of another "person to be robbed" by saying that "My GSM device has been stolen . Please cancel it . Give a new GSM chip and number ." After getting the new GSM number , the criminal is applying to bank for request "Change my GSM number ." instead of another "person to be robbed" . During money transfer of "person to be robbed" , the bank is sending a GSM message to the person , but diverted to criminal to get authorization . Person is giving authorization . As a result : Money is stolen . Rest is not important . The real person should go to court to prove that his/her money is stolen : Such a trial is taking almost five years . This means that security measures / steps should be designed with extremely carefully . All over the world , there a large millions of personal computers captured by criminals and are used for crime performance with the responsibility being on the real owner of the computer . For your users , some of them may obtain or have static IP numbers . Therefore , it is not necessary completely discard such an alternative . By using most secure method which can be implemented for the suitable users to least secure methods have been implemented persons with difficulty may be applied . For least secure methods , some statistical measures may be implemented : For example , average daily number of logins , average number of messages , a white list of target addresses , etc. If some of these measures violated , the case may be inspected for possible security breaches . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 10:01:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CD623B6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFEB15C for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF673884FF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:01:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from W500.Go2France.com [72.48.240.99] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AEEF83B0246; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:01:19 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:01:09 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Client Authentication In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <201303241101935.SM01804@W500.Go2France.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:01:31 -0000 At 11:22 PM 3/23/2013, you wrote: >I am not sure this is the best place to ask this, but I didn't see any other maillists that seemed more appropriate. > >Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try passwords looking for one that works. brute force attacks are easily blocked with pf's connection rate-limiting. Because our mail users are not world travellers, we use PF to block sending IPs by country. Any IP that TCP connects x times in y minutes to your mail server gets blocked for z hours. Cracked passwords on our mail users seem to be stolen by infections or phished rather than obtained by brute force. Our sender rate-limiting has three levels Our outbound server (postfix + postfwd) has per-sender rate limiting, which has totally stopped the really high volume password cracks. We have 3 levels of rate limiting. 1. 2000 msgs limit for every sender. We chose 2000 by identifying a handful of legit habitual senders of up to 1500 msgs, who are whitelisted from rate-limiting for the following levels. 2. 700 msgs limit for senders who habitually send up to 500 msgs, who are whitelisted from the following limit. 3 50 msgs limit for all senders who are not whitelisted above. Rate limiting causes the msgs to be held, not discarded or rejected, with an alert msg to the mail admin, who then inspects the held msgs for releasing or deleting. All the cert and PIN stuff appears to be theoretical suggestions not based on experience, since while effective, it would be a practical nightmare of training and maintenance. Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 10:20:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1B628DF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42721E2 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.local (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F18C1C0841 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:11:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <514ED170.2090004@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:12:00 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:20:55 -0000 On 24/03/2013 05:22, Doug Hardie wrote: > Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try passwords looking for one that works. Have you investigated to identify where these attacks originate from? Even if the IP is not fixed, they often belong to ranges assigned to a particular country or even a particular ISP. AFAIK best practice is to use port 25 for relaying mail between the servers, hence your server should only allow incomming mail on this port. This does not require authentication. Users should connect to port 587 on your server to send mail. This ofcourse requires authentication. If your users are not mobile, then you can simply block port 587 for external connections. Even if you have mobile users you can likely make some safe assumptions about where they will connect from, for example only national connections. > The situation is such that most of our users are older and their computer is a hand-me-down so they can talk to their grandchildren. Passwords are a great inconvenience for them and create numerous problems with remembering them even when they are simple. So, I assume that each user has a PC or laptop for personal use only? Do you need mail passwords to be the same as computer or network passwords? If not then help your users choose a strong mail password and enter it in the mail client's password manager. Writing down a password can actually be a better solution than bad passwords. If people have a private PC at home, it may even be acceptable to stick a post-it to the screen. Consider implementing a password policy that is enforced by technical means, requireing regular change and strength test before a new password is accepted. You may get heaps of user complaints with this though. But I think that users aversion for good passwords is that they have no idea of how to pick one that is easy to remember yet hard to guess, and that they may have to authenticate many times with many different passwords throughout the day. > This situation requires a technical solution. > I have been investigating the use of client authentication through SSL. With certificates you will likely encounter user problems as with passwords: You can install the certificates in the users keychain, with or without password protection or protected by the system password. This may actually be OK if that requires physical access to the user's computer. Or you can use some card reader as you mention, but if users have problem managing a piece of paper with a password, how will they do with a card? You will have to deal with lost cards in stead of forgotten passwords. From the description of your users I don't think this is a solution. In either case, whenever a certificate expire you will have to update it and help install the new certificate, and it becomes a hazle if the users gets a new computer. > Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, I think, given user's abilities the best option is use port 587 for authenticated outgoing SMTP with STARTTLS and a server side certificate. Restrict external access to port 587. Use mail client's password manager to store mail password and help users choose a strong password which will only be used once. Or, you can make away with the mail client and offer a web interface. Then mail can only be relayed for connections from localhost. BR, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 12:03:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ECB15FF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:03:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaltheat@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F5F7FC for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:03:04 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=hXWtTMsFsTk4rtl5DR15LRhYpephxgJLRu7klXAYg/Bd19yWccmmjJ7w9PeZcV9fK/vqn28OImsS OpUtdx5ozsk0UwfG9st7FV5BQpfpO7rtct1a/epfX4nyOFdxGf1h Received: from sol (90-148-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de [86.103.148.90]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1364126583715293.1410713252553; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:02:55 +0100 From: kaltheat@googlemail.com To: Mark Felder Subject: Re: snd_hda and front headphones jack Message-ID: <20130324120255.GA2988@sol> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: kaltheat@zoho.com X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:03:05 -0000 On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:55:49AM -0500, Mark Felder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I seem to be having problems getting my front headphones jack to work. > I've read the snd_hda man page and perhaps I'm doing this wrong, but > here's my setup: > > ... > > If I am looking at this right I believe I need to set nid25 to as=1 which > matches the nid31 Speaker and probably also set seq=15. However, this > doesn't seem to be working. Am I overlooking something obvious? > > > Thanks > Hi, in my setup I disabled all pins referring to "Unknown" and I disabled pins I don't need by setting as=0 without having any issues. I put Headphones and Speaker in same association (anything between 0 and 15, not 0, not 15), then I gave Headphones seq=15 and Speaker seq=14. As mentioned in manpage seq=15 for headphones will duplicate first pin in association, that would be Speaker. If I remember correctly online reconfiguring of device using dev.hdaa.*.reconfig sysctl-variable produced in some cases different devices than rebooting system with same changes of default configuration in device.hints. Regards, kaltheat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 13:22:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9189869D for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaltheat@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80930A79 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:22:10 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=KOh1cf3H2kJfrXWBlucLCxAi4/3m2Rj4gTDi8xPM2u9ZaqO0UA+mhXGMqEdBTOOiOAafss30Tzpn mUE4vez5fs9bGknNQ1orNhYJXR3HK8JX3Qbijv6XKnxfDdkEHr6B Received: from sol (90-148-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de [86.103.148.90]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1364131329395272.1746692671603; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:22:04 +0100 From: kaltheat@googlemail.com To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel microcode update Message-ID: <20130324132204.GB2988@sol> References: <20130319220625.GB5368@sol> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130319220625.GB5368@sol> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: kaltheat@zoho.com X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:22:10 -0000 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:06:25PM +0100, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering how to update microcode of an Intel CPU and came across > cpucontrol and sysutils/devcpu-data . But last mentioned port is not up-to-date > anymore. I searched Intel's webpages for microcode updates and found archives > for Linux containing one single microcode.dat file. Could someone tell me if > that file is compatible with FreeBSD? As devcpu-data installs .fw files it > might be proper to convert/compile microcode.dat in some way. How? > > Regards, > kaltheat > Just for the records: Question was answered [1]here. 1. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-March/042248.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 13:27:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3C27C1 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A95A99 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD72E33C1D; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 5479C39841; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:27:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> (Doug Hardie's message of "Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:16:37 -0700") Message-ID: <44d2upylli.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:27:20 -0000 Doug Hardie writes: > That is an interesting idea, but unfortunately our users tend to > travel a lot and need to be able to access mail from anywhere. Also, > static IPs can get quite expensive from some ISPs. Our users are > pretty much on fixed incomes and any expense is a hardship for them. I've been thinking about setting up certificates for pretty much the same reason, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. My standing impression is that the setup is mostly specific to the mail server, which in my case is currently dovecot. Regardless of what else you do, there are some defensive things you could do to take some of the pressure off. They won't be a solution, but they might make your life easier while you work on a solution. Port knocking would make it harder for the attackers to get through to try passwords, and it's fairly easy to install on any particular type of client. With the variety of clients you have to deal with, the cumulative effort may be overwhelming, but it's at least worth a thought. Another thing to try would be temporarily blocking any IP address that tries several different user names in a short period of time. Again, these kinds of things won't solve your problem, but they may reduce the intensity of the attack. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 13:30:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A389397A for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: from lena.kiev.ua (lena.kiev.ua [82.146.52.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73567AC4 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:30:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lena.kiev.ua; s=3; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=rIsAWwRhcKdpfPeV32kV+h+OdKGrqJvrCxm3vt9QTfI=; b=TGUQcxR2X7e6ZkahN+viwbDmXP+SFyTPZ9TlzRiqFDDiIJBHaH9FoP2fy+UvTJS5ezzCeCvnttbD3/D6J6C08GnROgqdhCRdYnrHowx8Ri9j1WuTHxxw2+T8eq4XIIueb7XOqW+fG3aXFKgeh77rk18Za5X+yNapGZ3lWCmOIaE=; Received: from ip-384c.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua ([94.244.56.76] helo=bedside.lena.kiev.ua) by lena.kiev.ua with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UJl04-0005fE-GX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:30:17 +0200 Received: from bedside.lena.kiev.ua (localhost.lena.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2ODU5Dq001916 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:30:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: (from lena@localhost) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.6/8.14.5/Submit) id r2ODU5qE001915 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:30:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:30:05 +0200 From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication Message-ID: <20130324133005.GA913@lena.kiev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:30:19 -0000 Doug Hardie wrote: > my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try > passwords looking for one that works. When they do find one, > we get inundated by spam sent through that account throughout the world. How such spam is injected into your mail relay - via SMTP? > most of our users are older and their computer is a hand-me-down > so they can talk to their grandchildren. > our users tend to travel a lot and need to be able to access mail > from anywhere. I bet that most of your users use Windows, many are clueless. So, many will click a link in a letter from a known sender if the letter contains nothing more than a link and the sender's correct signature, possibly with a correct sender name or a few very generic words added in Subject or body. Links in such spam lead to drive-by exploit kits such as Blackhole which silently (without user consent) install password-stealing trojans such as ZeuS or SpyEye in user's Windows. These trojans also are stealing FTP passwords (many webmasters use Windows too), it's how the felons make pages they link to (on legitimate websites), so content-filtering of such spam fails. Stolen yahoo, AOL, MSN webmail passwords are used for sending such spam via the webmail interface (with correct hostname, SPF, DKIM) to addresses harvested from the user's webmail interface's address book and Sent and Inbox folders. Also, some of your users will yield to phishing. Strong (long, complicate, unique) passwords are stolen with Windows trojans and phishing as easily as weak ones. You can block brute-force password guessing, but you cannot prevent password stealing by Windows trojans and phishing. Unfortunately, you cannot force your users to use FreeBSD or some other free operating system instead of Windows. But travelling users do need to send mail via SMTP. Passwords are stolen along with username, relay hostname and port. Second factor authentication for SMTP is more difficult in practice than for HTTP. So, you need to block _using_ stolen passwords by spammers. My implementation is for Exim (instead of Postfix or sendmail): https://github.com/Exim/exim/wiki/BlockCracking It also blocks brute-force password guessing via SMTP, but that's a side benefit. Lena From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 13:42:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BF0D58 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (smtprelay05.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD8FB1D for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [84.44.209.129] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay05.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1UJl9B-0002f5-GF; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:39:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:37:24 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: Stephan Schindel Subject: Re: Attaching GELI device on boot Message-ID: <20130324143724.61268ca2@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <514D98BF.7090202@tp1.rub.de> References: <514D98BF.7090202@tp1.rub.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/MQdrupzwj385m4N4SLKpiTU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:42:58 -0000 --Sig_/MQdrupzwj385m4N4SLKpiTU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephan Schindel wrote: > i've got a problem attaching a geli device on boot. My setup: >=20 > ada0 and ada1 full geli setup (no partition schemes). ZFS on both. ada0 > is my root device. I can boot into the system there is no problem with > it. But now I want to attach ada1 on boot as well using a single > keyfile. My rc.conf looks like this: >=20 > ... > geli_autodetach=3D"NO" > geli_devices=3D"ada1" > geli_ada1_flags=3D"-p -k /root/ada1.key" > ... >=20 > The problem is that geli does not want to attach the device at first. It > claims about (missing?) metadata and inappropriate file format (I dont > know where geli logs this). It tries to attach the device 3 times which > is the default option with no success. Are you sure that "It" is the geli rc script and not the kernel itself which could happen if the BOOT flag was set on ada1. You can increase the geli log level with kern.geom.eli.debug. For details see "man geli". > BUT once the system is booted up and I can login, I can manually start >=20 > /etc/rc.d/geli onestart >=20 > and it will successfully attach the device. Does this result in the "Configuring Disk Encryption for ..." message? > So configuration seems to be > fine, only the order the services started seems to be wrong (e.g. devd > is being started AFTER geli tries to attach the device, why??) devd is supposed to be started between geli and geli2: fk@r500 ~ $rcorder /etc/rc.d/* | egrep devd\|geli /etc/rc.d/geli /etc/rc.d/devd /etc/rc.d/geli2 > Also there is a problem with sabnzbd which is being started before the > network is set-up, which is wrong as well. That seems to be an unrelated problem so probably it belongs in a different thread. I don't use sabnzbd and thus have no opinion on this. Fabian --Sig_/MQdrupzwj385m4N4SLKpiTU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlFPAZkACgkQBYqIVf93VJ1UqACeO05887w2ZN3pOqPBhVCQwr7d QhwAoJJo0oTGRhE8fF4BeUedhkAikj81 =109Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/MQdrupzwj385m4N4SLKpiTU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 14:14:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830605AA for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ukaszg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8E2CD6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 7so3011641qeb.0 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bO9bffBNGNnr01poQuRGqFn1pO5Y8PdTtxsZ8GPdmKQ=; b=NsRDDHTKBp53um8WixGAhpBvUGEUHqWCF0leccvh8fvcocz2kXc30KMecbCxwzE+3N v1fnvDhHXbjcJ6+vHtFVSGQbfiLYcYNQ1P5qTudH03sckOjQ/6ulo5DjT2j+JPExPhwC ZafoFFlAcB2DP45F+MMoXESAFimwavCFKn5jufDIw7d/kmQHyHgMoac8LD/O+ZPkKfiT tSA98PwF1soItq72ZUHsGDDJZjK4t6oXsMs7bb3E6o9qooVApVKPe7Vm/i+yPL/dn3dU 77HrWwWfEuRI0H5MBkknK6lDQzern2TLJ7GVxTOmyM67aveAzzAySXmu6JXj0KGi8yl1 lBgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.14.102 with SMTP id o6mr3104394qec.5.1364134469025; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.127.38 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: can not use intel GPU, no /dev/dri/card0 From: uki To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:36 -0000 Hi, I'm getting the folowing error when I try to start X using intel drivers: [ 8669.844] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [ 8669.844] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card su= pport [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or directory [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or directory) [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or directory) [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: Open failed I assume I overlooked something while configuring the system (I dual boot stable and release, this is on stable, release works fine). Please help. my make.conf has: WITH_NEW_XORG=3D"YES" WITH_KMS=3D"YES" my kernconf: device agp device dpms options X86BIOS device drm device i915drm device radeondrm Cheers, =C5=81ukasz Gruner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 14:44:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255D2E07 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FB2DE1 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:44:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=XoPIC7/jGOUkXcLhI0weM+wfQXUiZUnStm+j5eV/Kuk=; b=NvFcCwtMBBB4bHNB71awki06ZKUtX6nuoWa2RQI97tdVREth0u/jxTStFk38vCRyCHcNtSd/blUMYgiWqiwh3RDxElD4VOVK2e6uD6ePSM2UvB24lU4vAoi8ILpfAUfVV7xHbVP4bXZrRw2qamFd/A0uw03qmikeGJJAScV9AWk=; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=54761 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UJlpt-003k4s-MG; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:23:50 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:23:45 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: uki Subject: Re: can not use intel GPU, no /dev/dri/card0 Message-ID: <20130324212345.300ed438@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:44:23 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:28 +0000 uki wrote: > Hi, > > I'm getting the folowing error when I try to start X using intel > drivers: > > [ 8669.844] (II) > Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [ 8669.844] > (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support > [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 [ 8669.844] > Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or > directory [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for > file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory > [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or > directory) [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for > file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory > [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or > directory) [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: Open failed > > I assume I overlooked something while configuring the system (I dual > boot stable and release, this is on stable, release works fine). > Please help. > > my make.conf has: > WITH_NEW_XORG="YES" > WITH_KMS="YES" > > my kernconf: > device agp > device dpms > options X86BIOS > > device drm > device i915drm > device radeondrm > you should not need the last line. Delete it and see what happens. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 16:14:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFAED8 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1592A6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6 (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2OGEZj9012632; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:14:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:01:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Client Authentication In-Reply-To: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> Message-ID: References: <8680FAB3-4943-4F91-935B-E11511C3FD4E@lafn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20130324 #9781581, check: 20130324 clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:44 -0000 On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 23 March 2013, at 21:51, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >> >> Using Static IP in the client side , and checking Static IP of the user >> may be a possibility : In that way , any message from another IP will >> not be accepted . >> >> If this is possible for your systems , it may be checked for usability >> . >> >> One difficulty is that each user should obtain a Static IP and can not >> connect to his/her ISP from another IP . >> >> Good side is that nobody can connect to ISP of the user from another IP >> : It supplies hardware security ( we are assuming that the user >> computer is not captured ) .. > > That is an interesting idea, but unfortunately our users tend to travel > a lot and need to be able to access mail from anywhere. Also, static > IPs can get quite expensive from some ISPs. Our users are pretty much > on fixed incomes and any expense is a hardship for them. Can you filter outgoing mail with Spamassassin? How about refusing to relay mail from addresses in a good DNSBL? Do you rate-limit outgoing mail? Can you just refuse to relay mail from other continents, using a geolocation service? daniel feenberg > > -- Doug > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 16:35:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82795784 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sts@tp1.rub.de) Received: from mx4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.64.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA03D3EC for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:35:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Queued: (qmail 1339 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2013 16:28:53 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 1292 invoked by uid 109); 24 Mar 2013 16:28:53 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 134.147.240.78 by mx4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 103) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.37/4.83. 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Processed in 0.053727 secs); 24 Mar 2013 16:28:53 -0000 Received: from neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.240.78) by mx4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 16:28:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (ip-178-201-62-251.unitymediagroup.de [178.201.62.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2OGSp9r016256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:28:51 +0100 Message-ID: <514F2A77.2060801@tp1.rub.de> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:31:51 +0100 From: Stephan Schindel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130321 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Attaching GELI device on boot References: <514D98BF.7090202@tp1.rub.de> <20130324143724.61268ca2@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20130324143724.61268ca2@fabiankeil.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:35:36 -0000 Thank you for your answer. > Are you sure that "It" is the geli rc script and not the kernel > itself which could happen if the BOOT flag was set on ada1. I tried (un)setting the BOOT flag. With boot flag no key files are defined in loader.conf, which is fine: ada1 at ata5 bus 0 scbus5 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ATA-7 SATA 2.x device ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: 476940MB (976773168 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada1: Previously was known as ad10 GEOM_ELI: Found no key files in loader.conf for ada1. Unsetting the BOOT flag does not work either. > Does this result in the "Configuring Disk Encryption for ..." message? Yes. Three times (default amount of tries). Stephan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 16:50:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0567AE28 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x234.google.com (mail-bk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B66661 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id it16so124563bkc.25 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7qQkZLc0GHcVz5IK7hK+Vm0WcXWLqz9IuJQ36TlyLBM=; b=BWdonpJxIY19qFTrsj5pkZFTPLNAvTcbJpNHRs+UqRzb8vOKKGZZ4SJgBUKx9N0U3l SvGW1YneJEfS8IxajghogHvgy0iqimnggbHiWhn4NOGwe4WQXJiiRb0GRVt9KRdCRBLu +kSNlaBZQ/r3T+7yVnJs5uSZDLVteT6SWS34rCDfqLxtkJOFyS/undcramkuziBdzSXq mRatkPxWtKgDQynyMFhPjZ06/i13bauxAudVt+S/6ltscqdAcAK1MdauRJQezrRhvBcg dQXDuwcQXzzh9L+bwVefOBgG7U3Ph6B81hy0qryA7uWes5/KiOY7Q9TKSkPA/muE8JzI 1yng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.188.81 with SMTP id cz17mr4068360bkb.91.1364143815586; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <21ECABE0-0946-469F-8A6C-08194571A8D9@lafn.org> References: <21ECABE0-0946-469F-8A6C-08194571A8D9@lafn.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:50:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Client Authentication From: Waitman Gobble To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:50:17 -0000 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 24 March 2013, at 01:10, Waitman Gobble wrote: > > > > > > > You might consider disabling external smtp auth service and using ssh > tunnel to server to connect to mail. Also provide web based convenience > service. > > I am not convinced that a ssh tunnel is going to be easy for my users. We > do provide a web based mail client, but I wouldn't describe it as > convenient. I find it a pain in the neck, but so many users requested it > that we provide it. It is password authenticated but so slow it will never > be attacked with password guessing. > One idea is to run a different server process on 25 which does not do SMTP AUTH,, then run SMTP AUTH on 465 or 587. I don't really see a reason to advertise SMTP AUTH on 25, for some reason all mail servers seem to do AUTH on all ports or none. Maybe there is a way to configure SMTP AUTH only on certain ports, one way I can think of is to run two processes with two configs. If some people are specifically attacking your service this may not be optimal, but if it's script kiddies scanning servers on port 25 this might discourage them. Another thought is to modify the SMTP server to allow one or two failed attempts then lock the account. IRL people set up their password into their email program and don't type it in all the time, or in the case of web mail they make their browser remember it. There isn't a good reason I can think of to allow 100 failed SMTP AUTH attempts. This concept would have to be tweaked a bit to balance customer service demand. You could also use the age of the account to determine the number of failed attempts, newer accounts might get 10 failed attempts, for example. Or you could disable SMTP auth altogether and make a little program that sets up a tunnel. Here's an ssh library that's BSD licensed http://www.libssh2.org/examples/tcpip-forward.html I think you can decide how much user intervention is needed for port forwarding. IT could be something like the user has to have the service installed on their machine, or it's a 'click for email' type thing. A little program that sets up the tunnel behind the scenes. It takes a day or two of front end programming but might be a good solution that works on unix/mac/linux/ms machines. You can have your SMTP AUTH service listening only on localhost. Handheld devices might become a challenge. > > > > > It might be interesting to encrypt mail to the user's cloud service that > operates in a gpg zone. I think this operation could be mostly transparent > to the user, so kids and granpamas can use it without concern. > > This one I don't understand. Can you provide pointers to this type of > service? Sorry I don't have any pointers, it was an idea last night. The concept is that users have 'cloud' accounts, email is encrypted to their account, perhaps (off the top of my head) in a fashion similar to the way friendica works.(it's not working with cloud systems, but it encrypts information to individual users, this could be analyzed for ideas for a cloud based system). This kind of solution might take a week of programming to set up, so it's more work on the front end. If you have some archival requirement or need to parse/key or otherwise analyze messages, in that scenario you would have to copy the message I think. -- Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 16:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55323E8 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: from lena.kiev.ua (lena.kiev.ua [82.146.52.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AC26CD for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:59:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lena.kiev.ua; s=3; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=HnM0RXDr1olA9E1jXK85LYeFhzi1SVBVXJXZCQoSLBA=; b=g5xEEFsPdW9JW0yYnMpKCVSIHASVSkaTqmjQKY4LfKNuhq0qbNXOahs/XWLCajZim+15l5dyc0vnMHQijpBkCEVkBDvBJDkOTQNA6nwzQ0+CamlWdaolS/0ortj1X1Y5ANJLVhqcvH9/5wOV9hq/TnDPGpc2xWM0HO7/P6wrRLw=; Received: from ip-384c.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua ([94.244.56.76] helo=bedside.lena.kiev.ua) by lena.kiev.ua with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UJoGJ-000Jtc-9P for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:59:16 +0200 Received: from bedside.lena.kiev.ua (localhost.lena.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2OGx9Zt003651 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:59:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: (from lena@localhost) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.6/8.14.5/Submit) id r2OGx9P7003650 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:59:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:59:09 +0200 From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication Message-ID: <20130324165909.GC913@lena.kiev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:59:16 -0000 > How about refusing to > relay mail from addresses in a good DNSBL? Bad idea. Legitimate users connecting from dynamic IP-addresses is normal. DNSBLs list a dynamic IP-address permanently or for long time after a zombied Windows spewed spam from it. Some DNSBLs warn about that explicitly, for example: http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ | Caution: Because ZEN includes the XBL and PBL lists, do not use ZEN | on smarthosts or SMTP AUTH outbound servers for your own customers | (or you risk blocking your own customers). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 17:04:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C550C for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B249770E for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gamma.local (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 684231C0841 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:04:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <514F322B.2010106@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:04:43 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_N=F8rgaard?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <21ECABE0-0946-469F-8A6C-08194571A8D9@lafn.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:04:47 -0000 On 24/03/2013 17:50, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Doug Hardie wrote: > > One idea is to run a different server process on 25 which does not do SMTP > AUTH,, then run SMTP AUTH on 465 or 587. I don't really see a reason to > advertise SMTP AUTH on 25, for some reason all mail servers seem to do AUTH > on all ports or none. Maybe there is a way to configure SMTP AUTH only on > certain ports, one way I can think of is to run two processes with two > configs. Port 25 should be open for external connections and allow only local delivery. 465 is STMPS and should be configured as 25 but with SSL, this is really only useful if you have a certificate issued by a trusted CA as other servers will otherwise reject your certificate as untrusted. Port 587 is for message submission, see RFC 2476, you can configure it with TLS (serverside) and it should only advertise STARTTLS. Here you can create your own CA as you control all clients who are authorized to connect and can install the CA certificate. A simpler setup though is to have yor MTA listen on both port 25 and 587 and announce all services required for local delivery plus STARTTLS. Then require TLS for authentication. I understood you use dovecut as MDA? which is your MTA? With postfix the above is pretty simple to set up. BR, Erik -- M: +34 666 334 818 T: +34 915 211 157 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 17:36:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32183513 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ukaszg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-f52.google.com (mail-qe0-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE8A886 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id jy17so1312144qeb.39 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VGbmrv/rNwjSwld0mANqmA/Qv3cIhBeir6uPCDzbUCE=; b=IK2Baad/y9HOaPm8PDh5djbXC4C29XuYeZ5ys9sBA0S276lQwnrzJ+tD6CA5tXwfw8 +Je+49dDh3ygdmYIwaL114uL4xb6DGaLkbK17VLd8kE33rLyVQU5YMUCCrAC+7JSr0Uo qLczdxOsH0mEVGO0RiEwgF2kjoPoGp0GGwBuONzfZA2LE6O4LuOK5oNqfr+SG+VhIuz/ FR4YUfAsB6Noqpmjznty2MnuLxsurh/wU4wdJ6TOHqPDn/+oCa3cUd1qr7TxZmfFFVtE MNCWnYnNv911/XpMHzJT3FG6/8HnbtOVXLurkGFVDuYmIF3SblPq91NUczTVoHBuBlwh Wtkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.206.5 with SMTP id fs5mr2329628qab.96.1364146248357; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.127.38 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130324212345.300ed438@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20130324212345.300ed438@X220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:30:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: can not use intel GPU, no /dev/dri/card0 From: uki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:36:37 -0000 That was not it (tried), the reason was my kernconf was wrong (didn't yet figure out the details), because the GENERIC works flawlessly. Cheers, =C5=81ukasz Gruner 2013/3/24 Erich Dollansky : > Hi, > > On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:28 +0000 > uki wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm getting the folowing error when I try to start X using intel >> drivers: >> >> [ 8669.844] (II) >> Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [ 8669.844] >> (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support >> [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 [ 8669.844] >> Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or >> directory [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for >> file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory >> [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or >> directory) [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for >> file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory >> [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or >> directory) [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: Open failed >> >> I assume I overlooked something while configuring the system (I dual >> boot stable and release, this is on stable, release works fine). >> Please help. >> >> my make.conf has: >> WITH_NEW_XORG=3D"YES" >> WITH_KMS=3D"YES" >> >> my kernconf: >> device agp >> device dpms >> options X86BIOS >> >> device drm >> device i915drm >> device radeondrm >> > you should not need the last line. Delete it and see what happens. > > Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 17:39:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD366A5 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sts@tp1.rub.de) Received: from mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.64.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75B568B8 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:39:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Queued: (qmail 788 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2013 17:38:58 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 741 invoked by uid 109); 24 Mar 2013 17:38:58 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 134.147.240.78 by mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 103) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.37/4.83. Clear:RC:1(134.147.240.78):. Processed in 0.046691 secs); 24 Mar 2013 17:38:58 -0000 Received: from neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.240.78) by mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 17:38:58 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (ip-178-201-62-251.unitymediagroup.de [178.201.62.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2OHcvH5019136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:38:57 +0100 Message-ID: <514F3AE5.4040601@tp1.rub.de> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:41:57 +0100 From: Stephan Schindel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130321 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Attaching GELI device on boot References: <514D98BF.7090202@tp1.rub.de> <20130324143724.61268ca2@fabiankeil.de> <514F2A77.2060801@tp1.rub.de> In-Reply-To: <514F2A77.2060801@tp1.rub.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:39:06 -0000 This is the output at boot time: Configuring Disk Encryption for ada1. geli: Cannot read metadata from ada1: Inappropriate file type or format. Attach failed; attempt 1 of 3. ... And the "Configuring..." part is from /etc/rc.d/geli. One the system is ready the same attempt works fine: root@freebsd:/home/sts # /etc/rc.d/geli start Configuring Disk Encryption for ada1. root@freebsd:/home/sts # geli list | grep ada | grep Geom Geom name: ada0.eli Geom name: ada1.eli From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 24 19:19:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF9A581 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sts@tp1.rub.de) Received: from mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.64.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F35B9FA5 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Queued: (qmail 20529 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2013 19:12:23 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 20435 invoked by uid 108); 24 Mar 2013 19:12:21 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 134.147.240.78 by mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 102) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.37/4.83. 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Processed in 0.05274 secs); 24 Mar 2013 19:12:21 -0000 Received: from neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.240.78) by mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 19:12:21 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (ip-178-201-62-251.unitymediagroup.de [178.201.62.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by neo.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2OJCJMU022952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <514F50C8.1000605@tp1.rub.de> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:15:20 +0100 From: Stephan Schindel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130321 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Attaching GELI device on boot References: <514D98BF.7090202@tp1.rub.de> <20130324143724.61268ca2@fabiankeil.de> <514F2A77.2060801@tp1.rub.de> <514F3AE5.4040601@tp1.rub.de> In-Reply-To: <514F3AE5.4040601@tp1.rub.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:19:13 -0000 OK I found the issue: I reinitialized the provider, same problem. Then I put a partition scheme (BSD) on it.... here it works fine. My guess is this is not intended and might be a bug. Geli should work fine for the "whole" disk (no scheme at all). It works fine for the root device, but fails when trying to attach another device on bootup. But I do not see the reason for it :-/. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s9sm744465veb.5.2013.03.24.13.06.45 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZYqPc1M4wz2CG5T for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:06:43 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Client Authentication Message-ID: <20130324160643.459a19c5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130324165909.GC913@lena.kiev> References: <20130324165909.GC913@lena.kiev> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkFFQCWWDqYBPn7TatSdS0sZ+2b6S9jSvAwharjjFhj2Hhqb6/0QUQ1q3abbcZTp3FIkmVk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:06:53 -0000 On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:59:09 +0200 Lena@lena.kiev.ua articulated: > Bad idea. Legitimate users connecting from dynamic IP-addresses is > normal. I disagree. There is no legitimate reason a user cannot use a bonafide ISP to send mail. I block dynamic ISPs by default. I have found that 99% of it is just SPAM or some asshole attempting to relay thorough my system. If a user cannot afford to get a STATIC IP, then I cannot afford to waste my time with them. Just my 2¢. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 01:00:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B9EFA9 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D604CE90 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:00:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=EHfGrg2Uh4vGCMbJ+7Gii6y0eEB/GNLd2bvtN4P0Cys=; b=aavf1psG8KIVrue/D5a8xpO3bHwjPUcoAHiBuL/4GBWoSlp1vAOEz1pjIG1cJMyRZtq8LoShlB7AcXmjycVo/2LLXLMxldg/isTUiKj0PAm5SjaJ2Rv7CbqzSe9vIm3ri6Ot+eMcfNQbsXUw9QD3JhfCNFmkG8AV+UUmTYxK4GY=; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=17745 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UJvlc-002tk2-9G; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:00:00 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: uki Subject: Re: can not use intel GPU, no /dev/dri/card0 Message-ID: <20130325080000.2ea51723@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20130324212345.300ed438@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:00:06 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:30:48 +0000 uki wrote: > That was not it (tried), the reason was my kernconf was wrong (didn't > yet figure out the details), because the GENERIC works flawlessly. I have an i7 and use no drm in the kernel. Just load the modules when you need them. Erich >=20 > Cheers, > =C5=81ukasz Gruner >=20 >=20 > 2013/3/24 Erich Dollansky : > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:14:28 +0000 > > uki wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm getting the folowing error when I try to start X using intel > >> drivers: > >> > >> [ 8669.844] (II) > >> Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so > >> [ 8669.844] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no > >> multi-card support [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: node name > >> is /dev/dri/card0 [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for > >> file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or directory [ 8669.844] Failed to > >> change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or > >> directory [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such > >> file or directory) [ 8669.844] Failed to change owner or group for > >> file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or directory > >> [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or > >> directory) [ 8669.844] drmOpenDevice: Open failed > >> > >> I assume I overlooked something while configuring the system (I > >> dual boot stable and release, this is on stable, release works > >> fine). Please help. > >> > >> my make.conf has: > >> WITH_NEW_XORG=3D"YES" > >> WITH_KMS=3D"YES" > >> > >> my kernconf: > >> device agp > >> device dpms > >> options X86BIOS > >> > >> device drm > >> device i915drm > >> device radeondrm > >> > > you should not need the last line. Delete it and see what happens. > > > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 05:04:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D6EE1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: from lena.kiev.ua (lena.kiev.ua [82.146.52.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B66C9F0 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:04:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lena.kiev.ua; s=3; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=bb1AIzAtgxOGwR3JImwRcBM2Kgepn/AEodF85vsE8is=; b=A7hJDXOxnTR5MuTLfgv0igOYIzfeHewXyBAXnWj4yWOznkbha82hx+wFRG7hrKyIrG5mkRnwFX4sTNx2wHAP4tZBOqHXVjE5WSj9i9mM8wPTv9xM38GEEVMeF/5Pa3LwOFeMHqFwfMxpIZNFVqtNtu2GdDdsKmbm/QdjpEShXdw=; Received: from ip-384c.rusanovka-net.kiev.ua ([94.244.56.76] helo=bedside.lena.kiev.ua) by lena.kiev.ua with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UJzZf-000LDb-Go for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:04:01 +0200 Received: from bedside.lena.kiev.ua (localhost.lena.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2P53shb001292 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:03:54 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Received: (from lena@localhost) by bedside.lena.kiev.ua (8.14.6/8.14.5/Submit) id r2P53s9C001291 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:03:54 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Lena@lena.kiev.ua) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:03:54 +0200 From: Lena@lena.kiev.ua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication Message-ID: <20130325050354.GA1228@lena.kiev> References: <20130324165909.GC913@lena.kiev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130324165909.GC913@lena.kiev> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:04:03 -0000 Jerry wrote: > > > How about refusing to > > > relay mail from addresses in a good DNSBL? > > > > Bad idea. Legitimate users connecting from dynamic IP-addresses is normal. > > I disagree. There is no legitimate reason a user cannot use a bonafide > ISP to send mail. The talk is about RELAYING mail sent with authentication when legitimate users travel and connect from another ISP. When you send mail from a mobile, should your relay (you use Gmail) block you because you connected from a dynamic IP-address? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 06:56:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B09A623 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E71CF11 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD0A5E50F for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:56:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id AUtFxmhzaGtq for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:56:18 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (unknown [195.216.53.111]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF085E503 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:56:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <514FF510.5020605@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:56:16 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130309 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Crash when trying to rsync to external NTFS-formatted HD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:56:28 -0000 Hello list. I'm trying the following on my 9.1-RELEASE #0 system: Mounting the external HD ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt/backup/ And doing rsync -av /home/les /mnt/backup/BSD_backup/ I get "Building incremental file list" for about one minute then my system freezes and reboots. I'm aware that NTFS might be the culprit. I have chosen it for convenience and the possibility to move my data to machines without FreeBSD. Manually copying of files one by one works. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 08:16:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5F9C5E for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8F95FE for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id c10so4427205wiw.8 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PWM989jMnsdoovW09arSrtdbxsBJkTBl5re0ohiO8NQ=; b=gv+/oDsQXvF89Am70XHZRKTbH6ZS00GsZ2umXikAjlWl2IhIaGs1IFiK0hs/SjGwd5 s6+JMV/tm6S4N/0gsTtLF2hUpszkJip1XGtT/S9m7oeba8db/g/bvQuxKA/cWbC3UY4X d076keREUdfq2oV0TDLe8bjy0CYidj+YmzgOuGPEaVFOQRwm8+IWhlfIlwu8Z6UgvGnO vLaj9NZmQQ2dQ0IevIU/Sh8qMb9lmWJHI4CnO1NANFrTWXD1sr/c48p77KZlqBpdU6/s ZcmV05EPMZWHQW1fBUJSffFXC65w2hOUkQ82LMtuUJ3Gh2nIg7Jghr8GU2MuL9DoTFrK qhOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.92.97 with SMTP id cl1mr23835109wib.19.1364199373587; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.60.147 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:16:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:16:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: snd_hda and front headphones jack From: David Demelier To: Mark Felder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:16:14 -0000 Try something like : In /boot/device.hints hint.hdaa.4.nid31.config="as=1 seq=0" # or seq=1 if does not work hint.hdaa.4.nid25.config="as=1 seq=15" Also don't forget to add hw.snd.default_unit=4 in your /etc/sysctl.conf Regards, 2013/3/12 Mark Felder : > Hi guys, > > I seem to be having problems getting my front headphones jack to work. I've > read the snd_hda man page and perhaps I'm doing this wrong, but here's my > setup: > > > dev.hdaa.4.%desc: Conexant CX20641 Audio Function Group > dev.hdaa.0.nid5_original: 0x18560010 as=1 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=Jack > ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0 > dev.hdaa.1.nid5_original: 0x18560010 as=1 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=Jack > ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0 > dev.hdaa.2.nid5_original: 0x18560010 as=1 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=Jack > ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0 > dev.hdaa.3.nid5_original: 0x18560010 as=1 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=Jack > ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0 > dev.hdaa.4.nid24_original: 0x40f001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Other conn=None > ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1 > dev.hdaa.4.nid25_original: 0x02214040 as=4 seq=0 device=Headphones conn=Jack > ctype=1/8 loc=Front color=Green misc=0 > dev.hdaa.4.nid26_original: 0x02a19020 as=2 seq=0 device=Mic conn=Jack > ctype=1/8 loc=Front color=Pink misc=0 > dev.hdaa.4.nid27_original: 0x01a1903e as=3 seq=14 device=Mic conn=Jack > ctype=1/8 loc=Rear color=Pink misc=0 > dev.hdaa.4.nid28_original: 0x01014010 as=1 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=Jack > ctype=1/8 loc=Rear color=Green misc=0 > dev.hdaa.4.nid29_original: 0x01813030 as=3 seq=0 device=Line-in conn=Jack > ctype=1/8 loc=Rear color=Blue misc=0 > dev.hdaa.4.nid30_original: 0x40f001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Other conn=None > ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1 > dev.hdaa.4.nid31_original: 0x9217011f as=1 seq=15 device=Speaker conn=Fixed > ctype=Analog loc=0x12 color=Unknown misc=1 > dev.hdaa.4.nid32_original: 0x40f001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Other conn=None > ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1 > dev.hdaa.4.nid33_original: 0x40f001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Other conn=None > ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1 > dev.hdaa.4.nid38_original: 0x40f001ff as=15 seq=15 device=Other conn=None > ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1 > > > If I am looking at this right I believe I need to set nid25 to as=1 which > matches the nid31 Speaker and probably also set seq=15. However, this > doesn't seem to be working. Am I overlooking something obvious? > > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 09:46:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09EE7C7 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8341EAAD for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id rl6so945504pac.30 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:46:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hnxYmoDypXKXTfZ4+uyVXJ1WPJIWoEpQCP+EUJNBt0c=; b=Lsidr7NIRgwKCXFxQQNwPS9Z9cbR+u2aq0xDc/qfxXefaV6uV7X+zeI/sIA3ysSdHN 1pRerz+Tm8Re+y2YtMAFC+NUlubYVYE14lDbFTZeDEovtI+0f0iOFDm0Jes7ahZ7Za4Y 6CMN2f3oOXhFTZSciRUfNy/gQT+6ylyST+6dMInrKbQj/9R7gd/7RYKx8ZtIt17YUUQH OvWItbT/ZssMToJx2J5F0fiN25zYpnBVVcLx/9iPUc3fJ0TppSzVh8ldANUczBf2jtsX NxVxCun0yAiu9npaGN7zkfnGb887oICgQ8PKNU6681w6Zxjn1xMMDFuJLFmo3fJdlY4P jxHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.162.229 with SMTP id yd5mr9052550pab.4.1364204453019; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.52.233 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:40:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: stupid portmaster question From: Aryeh Friedman To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:46:24 -0000 How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure this will change soon) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 09:57:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2295A8B for ; 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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.60.147 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:57:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:57:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: stupid portmaster question From: David Demelier To: Aryeh Friedman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:57:05 -0000 Just use -x switch portmaster -ad -x libreoffice 2013/3/25 Aryeh Friedman : > How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are > broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure this > will change soon) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 10:00:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E7BC09 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A84BFA for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:00:34 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABEfUFGkD30E/2dsb2JhbAANN8VhghWDGAEBAQQBAQE1FiAKEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBFQEJJg4FAgQBAQEBGQSHf68GiViJD41ogTcWgyoDlCmDXYRMjiRtgQU Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [192.168.0.50]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 25 Mar 2013 11:00:27 +0100 Message-ID: <5150203A.2080102@ulb.ac.be> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:00:26 +0100 From: Julien Cigar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130322 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stupid portmaster question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:00:34 -0000 On 03/25/2013 10:40, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are > broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure this > will change soon) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -x libreoffice -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 10:24:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A612527 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE23DAB for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D995E519 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:24:00 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id o+eS-wy89oY9 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:24:00 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (unknown [195.216.53.111]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095C05E512 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:23:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <515025BE.9030904@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:23:58 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130309 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: stupid portmaster question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:24:01 -0000 2013-03-25 10:40, Aryeh Friedman skrev: > How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are > broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure this > will change soon) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Create the file +IGNOREME for all ports you want to ignore ;-) Example Touch /var/db/pkg/libreoffice-4.0.1_1/+IGNOREME /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 11:09:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F1F7CF for ; 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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2552E3 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from irix.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.39] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UK5KD-0003ff-Dw; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:29 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UK5KD-0002PK-86; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:25 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2PBCPnc065510; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:25 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2PBCOj9065509; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:24 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:24 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201303251112.r2PBCOj9065509@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: aryeh.friedman@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stupid portmaster question In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.0 X-Spam-Level: -- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:12:36 -0000 How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure this will change soon) -x avoid building or updating ports that match this pattern. Can be specified more than once. If a port is not already installed the exclude pattern will be run against the directory name from /usr/ports. Is that what you are looking for? Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 11:14:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ABCC7C for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neko@takino.org) Received: from takino.org (mygate.battleship-potemkin.com [46.4.160.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2740312 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by takino.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 966D6B91E; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:06:17 +0400 (MSK) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:06:17 +0400 From: Mikhail Krutov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Intel Centrion Wireless N-2230 status? Message-ID: <20130325110617.GA63698@takino.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:14:15 -0000 Hello! Recently I've bought a laptop which has Intel Centrino N-2230 wireless card in it. Currently it runs Linux, however I'd like to be able to have WiFi available for FreeBSD (wifi is almost the only thing that stops me from installing bsd) Is any work ongoing for that chip? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 13:53:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9542C7 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629F5F57 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A4C33C1E; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 6811E39829; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Aryeh Friedman Subject: Re: stupid portmaster question References: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:53:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Aryeh Friedman's message of "Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:40:52 -0400") Message-ID: <44y5dbbn7n.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:53:13 -0000 Aryeh Friedman writes: > How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are > broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure this > will change soon) Your direct question was already answered, but note that libreoffice is not broken overall, just with certain options that probably won't affect its operation for you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 16:01:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69E75D1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFABC1D for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C9C33C1E; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 7F20639829; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Crash when trying to rsync to external NTFS-formatted HD References: <514FF510.5020605@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:01:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <514FF510.5020605@eskk.nu> (Leslie Jensen's message of "Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:56:16 +0100") Message-ID: <44k3ovbhaa.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:01:08 -0000 Leslie Jensen writes: > I'm trying the following on my 9.1-RELEASE #0 system: > > Mounting the external HD > ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt/backup/ > > And doing > rsync -av /home/les /mnt/backup/BSD_backup/ > > > I get "Building incremental file list" for about one minute then my > system freezes and reboots. > > I'm aware that NTFS might be the culprit. I have chosen it for > convenience and the possibility to move my data to machines without > FreeBSD. > > Manually copying of files one by one works. Yes, it definitely sounds like fuse is corrupting something in the kernel. Could be tricky to debug, and forcing a kernel dump would be the first step. The traditional most-portable way of moving files is to tar(1) onto a raw device rather than having any filesystem at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 16:52:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98E2689 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6611FB for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n12so6604759oag.27 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:52:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uOOvIqqWNtMozI4XDw/5TKLVFGcDcBtYdao5oEJMIMM=; b=IMh3V2F+m5Kg1bxz6uo9uvWejuT5H1EFryq1+pFVX81M73sgo9MKljni0Bc25zloK0 3j7OqB7d504Xfg5haLWzgXKt4z1x5IJMNskfGNNsjSJF8Jtod3bI7TuQOEotEvK7SCWW OyfjglmSlaKe1qsqTXaY8SSZIfrmKrdLD4NsC9d0NrUiPN0jg3qzdOVa+/oZ5ohhm7u6 bAtG6Ic87l4QwOlmSMHUnhwk4hUt4tozGHILtxtMHpiyd3nKLvTjuDObLxKkHqcFTbk3 k/xW3h/hPD+Hjx37qxntVYaLG3tHVgYm09P//Bb19vpuE14nR8QoKIysASMCboQqnA9N aqQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.172.84 with SMTP id ba20mr11624972oec.10.1364230322784; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.174.67 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:52:03 -0000 Dear folks, As following /usr/port/UPDATING, I ran into a bit of trouble. System is hosed and I cannot update any ports. I tried to follow advice here: 20130316: AFFECTS: users of converters/libiconv and devel/gettext AUTHOR: bapt@FreeBSD.org libiconv now handles the lib/charset.alias file instead of devel/gettext. If you are using pkgng 'and' upgrading from source with portupgrade or portmaster, first delete gettext, upgrade libiconv, then reinstall gettext. # pkg delete -f devel/gettext # portmaster converters/libiconv devel/gettext or # pkg delete -f devel/gettext # portupgrade converters/libiconv devel/gettext but I get error(s) in gettext. I see that there is a small problem with gettext: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177176 How can I get around it, I made errors by deleting devel/gmake, and devel/glib20 and I tried to reinstall these, I did a make deinstall reinstall to see if I could bypass the error, but update(s) always fail with gettext. Any ideas/suggestions to fix this problem? Thanks in Advance, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 17:55:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9399E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x235.google.com (mail-bk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837F5734 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id e19so921704bku.40 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KfisNYNNAz/rsNgF3nJNNspL3swdnSkvB9T5RcfkTog=; b=HaAmI6SAL1Jk89E/KURbnDG/h8MPAgeYTzAHqFXEHsc+AKW3IuYZ8UAJ3b5yhnW3vB MFp9kM9gn9agfIeHhTW5Qdsl5syp2cQEb2Y73bjw+z7jXKiWd/UYfeG2j9bejtblcBjN rFcs1ecAveZgkxuSbO2M2U9H+LRt4Wj6iDww5l3LvvYR1z04N/kH3/jnR9sGvHh6CX7h ET26jDhvQd+rk8BnqeGGsKxTYsBG/V9/9oN1ngpvVHBKhQUCAdwkmu7s4tpNL69DzNyj RZ9f80PjeuoTzu0SBtj5rhavgEatYLRyLqX8KoAkO77HYmWmdZCl0hj5HEEAjuHPy3h1 hC5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.205.96.69 with SMTP id cf5mr6033302bkc.132.1364234116601; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <44k3ovbhaa.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <514FF510.5020605@eskk.nu> <44k3ovbhaa.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Crash when trying to rsync to external NTFS-formatted HD From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Leslie Jensen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:55:18 -0000 Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA On Mar 25, 2013 9:01 AM, "Lowell Gilbert" < freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> wrote: > > Leslie Jensen writes: > > > I'm trying the following on my 9.1-RELEASE #0 system: > > > > Mounting the external HD > > ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt/backup/ > > > > And doing > > rsync -av /home/les /mnt/backup/BSD_backup/ > > > > > > I get "Building incremental file list" for about one minute then my > > system freezes and reboots. > > > > I'm aware that NTFS might be the culprit. I have chosen it for > > convenience and the possibility to move my data to machines without > > FreeBSD. > > > > Manually copying of files one by one works. > > Yes, it definitely sounds like fuse is corrupting something in the > kernel. Could be tricky to debug, and forcing a kernel dump would be the > first step. > > The traditional most-portable way of moving files is to tar(1) onto a > raw device rather than having any filesystem at all. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have noticed this behavior with rsync and fuse mounted ntfs drives, hooking the drive up to an ms machine and doing a chkdisk type of operation may solve it for you, however i recommend using ufs formatted usb drives, it will ease headaches :) Waitman Gobble San Jose California From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 18:38:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EFF160 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716CE95B for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKCII-00053a-Bn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:38:54 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:38:54 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:38:54 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: stupid portmaster question Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <44y5dbbn7n.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:38:38 -0000 On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:53:00 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Aryeh Friedman writes: > >> How do I tell portmaster -ad to ignore certain ports because they are >> broken such as editors/libreoffice is currently marked as (I am sure >> this will change soon) > > Your direct question was already answered, but note that libreoffice is > not broken overall, just with certain options that probably won't affect > its operation for you. To amplify, the (main?) culprit is MERGELIBS. OP: If you are trying to upgrade, just do a 'make config' first and uncheck the option. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 19:34:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79ED208 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89981CC0 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id dn14so6433741obc.32 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2mW0pyhZ4iQT/hhZAlHtZKSdRcNJ9KCa77/hUe/O2+0=; b=Vk/X7VFseu8Xv2hXbLqAr2yXOFPY0gk2ZIHw3TqfRXK0jrYoegmn6nRW6hHsjP4JZq jq0H0mOzgfjdN5rRMzxsjIpEGnWZ1twGa3AvDOqMz9/o3Vnf8KgXnlvulvN5h9qirtnj G96v6s6dy7uBsu4XdvnMPutYEle3+MDSyF0m5KjpTxyvJDwUqHs4yVsW2aGoateJuVu8 pzGvNDfB9nFB4mmIBcldH54/W4/S4fnW9Cv/CzNVGy9b+s0aQ47Yutbi11ZZ5tyf2UL2 yRHwBEnhCyk3IRTRH+IWTqCrUyMWZVyWG3E4aMWbXFTjGYKkhStIrLsHf3A4DdSz+uAq g9cQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.56.198 with SMTP id c6mr806249obq.73.1364240088094; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.174.67 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:34:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:34:48 -0000 Dear folks, On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > As following /usr/port/UPDATING, I ran into a bit of trouble. System > is hosed and I cannot update any ports. I tried to follow advice > here: > > 20130316: > AFFECTS: users of converters/libiconv and devel/gettext > AUTHOR: bapt@FreeBSD.org > > libiconv now handles the lib/charset.alias file instead of devel/gettext. > If you are using pkgng 'and' upgrading from source with portupgrade or > portmaster, first delete gettext, upgrade libiconv, then reinstall gettext. > > # pkg delete -f devel/gettext > # portmaster converters/libiconv devel/gettext > or > # pkg delete -f devel/gettext > # portupgrade converters/libiconv devel/gettext > > but I get error(s) in gettext. I see that there is a small problem > with gettext: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177176 > > How can I get around it, I made errors by deleting devel/gmake, and > devel/glib20 and I tried to reinstall these, I did a make deinstall > reinstall to see if I could bypass the error, but update(s) always > fail with gettext. Any ideas/suggestions to fix this problem? > > Thanks in Advance, > > > Antonio In case if anyone is wondering which error I am encountering: It is the following: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2013-February/081576.html http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38558 devel/glib20 fails to build also with error: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177069 I have tried to follow the instructions included in /usr/ports/UPDATING but I have not succeeded in this machine. I am thinking of moving it to 8.4-BETA1 release and then reworking the ports or deleting them and restarting in case of not having replies I have gotten myself out of trouble before but it can take days to get the machine back in working order :( Best Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 21:06:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1F93C4 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allan@physics.umn.edu) Received: from mail.physics.umn.edu (smtp.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1B012C for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from spa-sysadm-01.spa.umn.edu ([134.84.199.8]) by mail.physics.umn.edu with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UKELV-0005UK-1S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <5150B88C.4050501@physics.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:50:20 -0500 From: Graham Allan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mrmachenry.spa.umn.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_05, TW_KB,TW_QL,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Subject: 8.3 hanging on boot, Dell 1950 with mfi and qlogic HBA X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:06:26 -0000 I feel sure I'm missing something pretty obvious here but I can't figure out what. I have a Dell 1950 which I just installed 8.3 (amd64) onto. It has an internal OS drive on mfi (Dell PERC) and a qlogic QLE2462 for external SAN connection. Problem is, the machine hangs on boot if the SAN fiber is connected. It boots up fine if disconnected, then I can reconnect the fiber and mount the SAN drives. When booting with fiber connected, it hangs after these messages: kbd3 at ukbd1 kbd3: ukbd1, generic (0), config:0x0, flags:0x3d0000 ums1: on usbus1 ums1: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 uhub5: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered (which just look like normal device probes) then if I reboot with the fiber disconnected, the next lines are: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a start_init: trying /sbin/init Verbose boot doesn't seem to give any additional clues. I feel convinced it's failing to find or mount the root filesystem - I've certainly seen this in the past where an add-in HBA like this usurps the internal OS drive, fixable by hard-wiring the bus order in /boot/device.hints. That's what I thought of first here, but mfi doesn't use CAM (I guess), and the OS drive /dev/mfid0 isn't changing its device name... and of course I'm not getting any root mount errors either. Is there part of the boot mechanism I'm missing? Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 25 22:28:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB65F7EC for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from mail36.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail36.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8BB6D2 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) by mail36.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2PMSF6w011257 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:28:17 +1100 Message-ID: <5150CF6F.7000208@clari.net.au> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:27:59 +1100 From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote IP to script over inetd References: <5150305F.6000205@starnet.cz> In-Reply-To: <5150305F.6000205@starnet.cz> X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=F68P7ddN c=1 sm=1 a=rXgAR6YtUHgA:10 a=K4cG_XPOuO0A:10 a=ejE0-8HIAAAA:8 a=6thBVdW0UjkA:10 a=_IEhM8lNAAAA:8 a=M43qwlrjJFAj9w5XkFwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W4OOWvR-U-AA:10 a=uynsnZRTUGo7Akql4a8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=IMxBQ11oVIghpswc:21 a=+rVrtY7z3DVyADW7HUk29Q==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:28:25 -0000 Hi Radek, On 25/03/2013 10:09 PM, Radek Krejc(a wrote: > #!/bin/sh > echo $REMOTEHOST getpeername() info is not available in Bourne shell directly. You need to use perl or C or .... So you can do something like this: ---------------------- #!/usr/bin/perl # Example code from http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/getpeername.html use Socket; $hersockaddr = getpeername(SOCK); ($port, $iaddr) = sockaddr_in($hersockaddr); $herhostname = gethostbyaddr($iaddr, AF_INET); $herstraddr = inet_ntoa($iaddr); # $herstraddr is of form "12.34.56.78" # Now you know the remote IP address, do what we want to do # eg run a shell script and put IP into $1 $cmd = "/root/redirects.sh $herstraddr"; exec($cmd); ---------------------- PS, if you are just sending an HTTP redirect or similar, you don't need to run the script as root. Cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 00:12:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF68942 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C89B02 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKHVV-0002xz-C0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:12:53 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.84.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:12:53 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:12:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:12:14 -0400 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:12:33 -0000 Antonio Olivares wrote: [snip] >> As following /usr/port/UPDATING, I ran into a bit of trouble. System >> is hosed and I cannot update any ports. I tried to follow advice >> here: >> >> 20130316: >> AFFECTS: users of converters/libiconv and devel/gettext >> AUTHOR: bapt@FreeBSD.org >> >> libiconv now handles the lib/charset.alias file instead of >> devel/gettext. If you are using pkgng 'and' upgrading from source with >> portupgrade or portmaster, first delete gettext, upgrade libiconv, then >> reinstall gettext. >> >> # pkg delete -f devel/gettext >> # portmaster converters/libiconv devel/gettext >> or >> # pkg delete -f devel/gettext >> # portupgrade converters/libiconv devel/gettext [snip] > > I have tried to follow the instructions included in > /usr/ports/UPDATING but I have not succeeded in this machine. I am > thinking of moving it to 8.4-BETA1 release and then reworking the > ports or deleting them and restarting in case of not having replies I > have gotten myself out of trouble before but it can take days to get > the machine back in working order :( > Not exactly an answer here, in terms of recovery, but more along the lines of trying to figure out how it happened. Did you previously convert this machine to pkgng? The reason I ask is the instructions in UPDATING _only_ apply if you did so. If you did not, then you did not need to pay any attention to that section in UPDATING. I have not yet investigated the changeover to pkgng. I recently just did a portupgrade -a without doing as UPDATING suggested and had no difficulty with either port. So if you have not converted to pkgng then there is/was a misunderstanding in the reading of UPDATING. If you did convert to pkgng then you are in new territory I have not seen yet, and the point is moot. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 01:24:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996918C8 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30796E47 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 26 Mar 2013 11:54:01 +1030 Message-ID: <5150F8AF.5090403@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:53:59 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Ballantine , FreeBSD-questions Subject: Re: security/heimdal generates openssl conflict [was - Re: Installing openssl from ports] References: <514C49FD.90700@ShaneWare.Biz> <514D6AFE.1030708@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:24:04 -0000 On 26/03/2013 00:42, Jim Ballantine wrote: > Hi > > I had removed the port, but it was reinstalled as a dependency of > other ports. I have WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes in /etc/make.conf, and > after I do a pkg delete -f heimdal openssl installs fine, but when I > try to install heimdal from ports (with DISABLE_CONFLICTS= > openssl-1.0.1_8 in the Makefile) the installs ends with: > > Stop in /usr/ports/security/heimdal. > > So I must be doing something wrong, but what?? > Your not doing anything wrong, that's why I cc'd the last email to the heimdal maintainer. I might look at making a patch to fix it today and submit a PR as it appears the maintainer didn't respond to a previous PR From what I see heimdal includes the openssl man pages in it's list of files it installs, the new pkg system is picking up the same files installed by openssl and heimdal and preventing the conflict, while the old install system overlooked it. Either the man pages list is incorrect or heimdal installs a duplicate copy of the openssl man pages - maybe this could be disabled if openssl from ports is used. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 04:13:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3A6185 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com (mail-pb0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAC3797 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id uo1so674430pbc.19 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:13:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RsyREKFLzT16gFAH+NenhFhK+4udQxUCmcwBSm6QyUY=; b=tYUUSmAc1/5DNbhh1/ZWZdIVG3fW69bBPX4m7almMPOFMLKZ2DbNf2xX2a++xPwNNX DcUzbp6zgNTwZkphUN0ggHbn4kxGSQD5xZ/HQzMItSjI2VboSE42OAwgOyQf2SWKj/sd uYtWaf38CoYP8SkeIqShrCncNBrisYT60/D0D8jspO2YlP+EToSq9xZAumfEm2nIY3VH 9qnB1JBBySwQQ+uxm0whKvVFBNwx2wyvblZlAr1GUQ3BMncyMx2D8q+WDfoEX1deCXLJ IOalRuljl5j9A2/aIMdh+5gWdDkhsaFr72TJIRXZtfG28IyP3pCCSZpcev8OIoxDOtZN 87YA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.254.35 with SMTP id af3mr21018607pbd.176.1364271217990; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.82.106 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:13:38 -0000 On 25 March 2013 20:12, Michael Powell wrote: > Antonio Olivares wrote: > > [snip] >>> As following /usr/port/UPDATING, I ran into a bit of trouble. System >>> is hosed and I cannot update any ports. I tried to follow advice >>> here: >>> >>> 20130316: >>> AFFECTS: users of converters/libiconv and devel/gettext >>> AUTHOR: bapt@FreeBSD.org >>> >>> libiconv now handles the lib/charset.alias file instead of >>> devel/gettext. If you are using pkgng 'and' upgrading from source with >>> portupgrade or portmaster, first delete gettext, upgrade libiconv, then >>> reinstall gettext. >>> >>> # pkg delete -f devel/gettext >>> # portmaster converters/libiconv devel/gettext >>> or >>> # pkg delete -f devel/gettext >>> # portupgrade converters/libiconv devel/gettext > [snip] >> >> I have tried to follow the instructions included in >> /usr/ports/UPDATING but I have not succeeded in this machine. I am >> thinking of moving it to 8.4-BETA1 release and then reworking the >> ports or deleting them and restarting in case of not having replies I >> have gotten myself out of trouble before but it can take days to get >> the machine back in working order :( >> > > Not exactly an answer here, in terms of recovery, but more along the lines > of trying to figure out how it happened. > > Did you previously convert this machine to pkgng? The reason I ask is the > instructions in UPDATING _only_ apply if you did so. If you did not, then > you did not need to pay any attention to that section in UPDATING. > > I have not yet investigated the changeover to pkgng. I recently just did a > portupgrade -a without doing as UPDATING suggested and had no difficulty with > either port. > > So if you have not converted to pkgng then there is/was a misunderstanding > in the reading of UPDATING. If you did convert to pkgng then you are in new > territory I have not seen yet, and the point is moot. > Having switched to pkgng & failing in my duty to carefully read /usr/ports/UPDATING before rather blindly running portmaster -a I ran into this problem (to a smaller extent, at least). I ran the suggested pkg delete -f gettext, which instantly hosed sudo. (Why sudo has NLS on by default is beyond me. Why sudo isn't a static binary is another issue entirely.) However, su still worked & I the "portmaster" stage ran without difficulty. In a pre-pkgng world (& without portmaster) I would run "pkg_delete -f gettext && cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv && make deinstall reinstall && cd ../../devel/gettext && make install" as root. Or some variation on that, perhaps involving -C (I've become addicted to abusing make -C ;) &/or a "clean" being added to the make arguments. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 04:16:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB2C254 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A827BD for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 4so2840940pdd.15 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bYPByTqM0C1vjomRmAnCLn5UGMzInsapTkBiPkYfDic=; b=C5anx1ucfdlKL77wG6oK1vCfUur44S4X81NlfePXvgQ7+fFuTB60zZs/7bnu865muz Rsoe1eOSjou7lcFF3w+kI18LUSQveal+IOH5cFaHawfBGM9D3jz9f1QVi8yDC3NezK5d 1u2oW0jIQVzM6u2EBTbXsKc+MaDE7C7rcsHTLKigQF6ufwBGRdXVhwTkl6BjE2F35efK 9aNo/N+IMNdk8CcZmAVH6VGxdznNahcCMYZb0BreQ811+XXOOLZuLSdgz3x8mDm+hBva eMxh0Gxl4nkromt09mSRZn6AwJq7Suf5vgmYYMCCYYXqF1B06tVAbcA8a/SEYPl2UK52 CIwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.254.35 with SMTP id af3mr21027915pbd.176.1364271361741; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.82.106 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:16:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Antonio Olivares Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:16:08 -0000 On 25 March 2013 12:52, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > As following /usr/port/UPDATING, I ran into a bit of trouble. System > is hosed and I cannot update any ports. I tried to follow advice > here: > > 20130316: > AFFECTS: users of converters/libiconv and devel/gettext > AUTHOR: bapt@FreeBSD.org > > libiconv now handles the lib/charset.alias file instead of devel/gettext. > If you are using pkgng 'and' upgrading from source with portupgrade or > portmaster, first delete gettext, upgrade libiconv, then reinstall gettext. > > # pkg delete -f devel/gettext > # portmaster converters/libiconv devel/gettext > or > # pkg delete -f devel/gettext > # portupgrade converters/libiconv devel/gettext > > but I get error(s) in gettext. I see that there is a small problem > with gettext: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177176 > > How can I get around it, I made errors by deleting devel/gmake, and > devel/glib20 and I tried to reinstall these, I did a make deinstall > reinstall to see if I could bypass the error, but update(s) always > fail with gettext. Any ideas/suggestions to fix this problem? > As bapt@ hints: try rebuilding binutils without NLS. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 08:28:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B06458 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB6A79C for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fo13so13107592lab.38 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:28:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/tBUTDvGi2kvDEUh5O5FzeI5C7FdveVcVxS1LKfVZMA=; b=sM/lN4I1JFObGHFRIjN75/6VkGkZPdu/pAircfm9Q3MDRQ+sz2z7FhLSqBeahQMmDB OYnswOfFosHXVj1koPm/1ZZwXEswkC4jGa1V8NSpuSWjbVr7fPJiOe44fNiZpv96Zm83 AQYXnSyeCeV9z2V0MFt4AVt62ms7lf4j6yfNm+QF5j6QBTKRxLJYKV4sH7ZHFRvdrQ26 Ckpbnxzq1FnY7IxZfgMQCGmusNZ3IGF65jY7iwRmXDPDjVhbwkkIY1WU7RYi1vhrDMW2 ofrfaS4thCMDK4Lr50otAXsKd5QoSpqpNDANq2wPFOwOV5LaKFk0B6a9fJ5hL2YidzmK GW5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.40.36 with SMTP id u4mr7649820lbk.36.1364286533931; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.65.174 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:28:53 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: budsz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:28:55 -0000 Hi folks, I want ask about error in `dmesg` output "remove Bump sched buckets to 64 (was 0)" in FreeBSD 8.3 STABLE version. Where's the code lines should be remove (safety)? Thank You -- budsz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 11:53:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6142D8F3 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331086F1 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so7555541oag.32 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=B73Kk28aSYyZU/szu0LDJiJq3GBXtz1+Uz+tGScHXYo=; b=pBRjXwrNxTrjn8oPzZMpGqFoL9yFC8JYHUpU49WjQlx0zgVYalJDuPYdvP7W2B6TYO 6I/nmuFfhozdLiPoRqNBuAenVT4Wj6C4I1CduC1JW3ycIUh2esVplHpBf7r1nTMK5qI8 1yu5Zj+dx0oLmQU7TQmsbZNYZu383LIJa+85uHNslEGTB6VeVj9wdFWmbz3q3YbnVs8x nZ6JvrXK8Y+kUKAEmL2wpee7HX79S6nptkX+mjDpFGUOR7+c6r8FY0v84Sl79XnCIsGg kPdZLlHVTdSSXQFfNGfkKFVliMB5kfn/YjZ2+BnW+CJi41V3feH1zd7QN3PUNIIQmlx6 bwjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.169.212 with SMTP id ag20mr13082282oec.102.1364298791294; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.174.67 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed From: Antonio Olivares To: "illoai@gmail.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:53:12 -0000 Dear Sir, > > As bapt@ hints: try rebuilding binutils without NLS. > > -- > -- I have binutils installed without NLS. I ran make deinstall reinstall inside /usr/ports/devel/binutils/ and it deinstalls and it fails to reinstall because it depends on gettext :( Now I guess I am really in trouble. I am not using pkgng just ports. On three machines I am successfull, two 9.1-RELEASE-p1 and one 8.3-RELEASE, but this 9.1-RELEASE box I could not build some ports, I tried deinstall/reinstall options, and now I guess I am in a major problem, unless gettext starts to build soon, I uninstalled glib20, and tried reinstall it fails with gettext. There is a new version out, but it has not made it to ports :( I'll hang in there for a little while longer, but if it comes down to deleting and reinstalling all ports, I may do just that. Best Regards && Thanks for the suggestions and advice provided. Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 13:00:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29521F0A for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5E5B8B for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fs12so13380202lab.39 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=sMRmZ2oOHglBkQR0V7oTOBGetPkJTuCPslbexC3Op04=; b=enhwzNnOA+fEYrV66//rengSGQzgLLe1w8ScCE3bwqOMxPf1glztOGISaKO6IO1ckR WZ8QeZrSs5Y+1AjMLjS1BxMkQccUCG0QfN3M2BVZ8VJko+KY3sZU0Qt3ToeBhBrUwl7p q+NN0MyxWkiDCGfFuIdxVyezsY5HoOw7+iQRZPMthKU8D7NBAhr17nh5frmxH2S6w6B1 vu9Mt9eYYUNoaPw1nnvC6iB1Bi11bL33dzGngIUOXC1A8EtZMlW41HopYMgE24rGuWpQ fDvtLpCEl87ZzR0lzToz1o1hBiEQioPe0N5BzikmXmlEVFNaVcQw4QDiOxy1wWzp3YYr ykVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.243 with SMTP id bb19mr6340635lab.12.1364302810627; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.8.40 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.188.191] Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:00:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Status of Xen/Dom0 on FreeBSD? From: "C. P. Ghost" To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlMY4nP8NXEkplZECuViXi25V2P85++7ixZ/YI7xDRQKUb8Vzp1hY6NQU5qeIGoljG0lagR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:00:12 -0000 Hello, I'm wondering if there's been some progress on the Xen/Dom0 front recently. The Wiki https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen still doesn't show any improvements in this area, but it may also be outdated (?). Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 14:25:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE07162C for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:25:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from EDMUND.C.OBLITEY@saic.com) Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com (mclmx2.mail.saic.com [149.8.64.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66226FE3 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc04p-em-sbg03.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-428030 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:10:47 -0400 X-AuditID: 9508406a-b7ef96d000000ba1-12-5151ac67a95c Received: from 0015-its-exbh03.us.saic.com (mcl-sixl-nat.saic.com [149.8.64.21]) by dc04p-em-sbg03.saic.com (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id F1.E9.02977.76CA1515; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0015-its-exmb13.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.5]) by 0015-its-exbh03.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:10:47 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: software support Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:10:46 -0400 Message-Id: <50A24799DF969E4B960A48EC973F643607B3B72E@0015-its-exmb13.us.saic.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: software support Thread-Index: Ac4qK7Y3KDUKmMt7QxenU7pdDI35wg== From: "Oblitey, Edmund" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2013 14:10:47.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6AFFBF0:01CE2A2B] X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpgkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZyuEgqpu+JjDQ4MRFfYuXXzexODB6zPg0 nyWAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY+fqO4wFjUIVN6fNZmpgfM7fxcjJISFgIrFs/X8WCFtM4sK9 9WxdjFwcQgKXGSUWP7zHDOEsZpRYe2A+K0SVnsSyxVPAOpgFtCSOXGpiBLF5BQQlTs58AhUP l/iw5xhYXFhAUuLlp7/sIDaLgKpEz/a3zBD1QRKtSz4wQ8wUlFg0ew8zzBX/dj1kA7FFBOQk 9l89yQph60n87Z0LNJ+Dg03AWGLWTBuIsLLE2jVHwcqFBNQklt96wAgxJlhiXesm9gmMwrOQ XDoLyaWzkFwKYetJrF8/B8rWlli28DUzhK0r8e5vGzOy+AJG9lWM4inJBiYFuqm5usVJ6QbG esWJmcl6yfm5mxgh8ZK1g/HqEvNDjAIcjEo8vCkRAYFCrIllxZW5hxglOJiVRHhrFgYGCvGm JFZWpRblxxeV5qQWH2KU5mBREued/E46UEggPbEkNTs1tSC1CCbLxMEp1cBova407l1cRANf wxTFV39X7ZiQ/MWVe3LOLFl+FrUX3woPTq4Mey6balLTWDUn+qGwla/8ITseo3QG980TV569 sCg2scDUXGTy26LKzawH66RS9uysXF4QdPdD4PYZN01WXAm1lVG7enHV5w9Gx4K/nPl37dCx 6GlLOXeKf4iU87I6r+TS0HlaiaU4I9FQi7moOBEAfCVs5pMCAAA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:25:59 -0000 I am trying to install FreeBSD on a E7520/6300ESB chipset. Program freezes during probing devices. It always restart when it gets to the atkbd0. Want to know if u can help me on it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 14:52:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E574F34D for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:52:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FD0218 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rufus.webfusion.com (mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2QEqUb5018719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:52:37 GMT (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2QEqUb5018719 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2QEqUb5018719; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31] claimed to be rufus.webfusion.com Message-ID: <5151B62D.5080308@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:52:29 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130312 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Oblitey, Edmund" Subject: Re: software support References: <50A24799DF969E4B960A48EC973F643607B3B72E@0015-its-exmb13.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <50A24799DF969E4B960A48EC973F643607B3B72E@0015-its-exmb13.us.saic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:52:43 -0000 On 26/03/2013 14:10, Oblitey, Edmund wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD on a E7520/6300ESB chipset. Program > freezes during probing devices. It always restart when it gets to the > atkbd0. Want to know if u can help me on it. Sounds like there's something on-board that either isn't supported or that doesn't get the right driver bound to it. Or that might possibly be defective. What version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Can you definitely run other OSes without problems on this same hardware? Can you try disconnecting as many non-essential peripherals as possible and see if that allows FreeBSD to boot? Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 16:10:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00060529 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDB2871 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2013 02:40:07 +1030 Message-ID: <5151C85D.4050702@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:40:05 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "C. P. Ghost" Subject: Re: Status of Xen/Dom0 on FreeBSD? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:10:09 -0000 On 26/03/2013 23:30, C. P. Ghost wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering if there's been some progress on the Xen/Dom0 > front recently. The Wiki > https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen > still doesn't show any improvements in this area, but it may > also be outdated (?). Not sure about any Xen/Dom0 work but I get the impression that bhyve is the focus of freebsd development in that area. https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 16:21:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D21A01 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9101794A for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2013 02:51:16 +1030 Message-ID: <5151CAFB.8040509@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:51:15 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Ballantine , FreeBSD-questions Subject: Re: security/heimdal generates openssl conflict [was - Re: Installing openssl from ports] References: <514C49FD.90700@ShaneWare.Biz> <514D6AFE.1030708@ShaneWare.Biz> <5150F8AF.5090403@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <5150F8AF.5090403@ShaneWare.Biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:21:18 -0000 On 26/03/2013 11:53, Shane Ambler wrote: > Either the man pages list is incorrect or heimdal installs a > duplicate copy of the openssl man pages - maybe this could be > disabled if openssl from ports is used. For reference - heimdal includes source for libhcrypto which it uses if openssl is not present. While it doesn't install libhcrypto it still installs the man pages which conflicts with the openssl port man pages. I have submitted a patch to fix this - http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177397 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 17:23:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7121844 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joji@eskimo.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC1CCCD for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shellx.eskimo.com (root@shellx.eskimo.com [204.122.16.5]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2QHIAE8009811; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:18:10 -0700 Received: from shellx.eskimo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shellx.eskimo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2QHIDZH020896; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:18:13 -0700 Received: (from joji@localhost) by shellx.eskimo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id r2QHICCc020895; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:18:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:18:12 -0700 From: Joseph Olatt To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Client Authentication Message-ID: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-12-10) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:23:47 -0000 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 09:22:07PM -0700, Doug Hardie wrote: > I am not sure this is the best place to ask this, but I didn't see any other maillists that seemed more appropriate. > > Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try passwords looking for one that works. When they do find one, we get inundated by spam sent through that account throughout the world. The situation is such that most of our users are older and their computer is a hand-me-down so they can talk to their grandchildren. Passwords are a great inconvenience for them and create numerous problems with remembering them even when they are simple. Unfortunately, most of them are quite easy to guess. > > Telling users to use more appropriate passwords is a complete waste of my time. Its never going to make any changes as they probably would not remember any other password (or where they wrote down the password). This situation requires a technical solution. > > I have been investigating the use of client authentication through SSL. DoD uses this approach by having the certificates on an ID card and a card reader on each computer. We don't have the money to use that approach no could we every get our users to spring for that. I was hoping to figure out a way to put the certificate on a flash drive or CD that the user would carry. The approach we use has to also work for iPads, smart phones etc that do not have an interface for a card reader. > > At this time, I have successfully configured a test for openssl client authentication using a client certificate. There are a few issues remaining. DoD uses a p12 format for their certificates. Many browsers support that format. It encrypts the certificate and private key so they are not easily obtained from the smart card. Openssl's s_client uses pem certificates and the key has to be included in the certificate file. While that is easily transported on CD or flash drive, the private key is in the clear on the device. Thats not really viable. > > S_client works properly without a certificate when the certificate check in the server is set to not fail if a certificate is not provided. This is needed because we will never get all our users to use this approach at home. They will still want to use passwords. Since the certificate request is made before the connection information is available, there is no easy way to request it only when needed. I have only been able to test with the Safari browser and it does not handle the no certificate case properly. I believe it is dropping the connection when the user does not select a certificate. I still have to test the other browsers. > > There is an interesting aspect of openssl that the certificate it uses for normal SSL authentication is not used for client authentication. There are another completely different set of calls that have to be made to set the certificate/key for use in validating the client certificates. Much of this is only documented in existing code. > > With Safari you have to import the client's certificate into the keychain. Then it works fine. Unfortunately, it doesn't go away when you are done with it. Unlike the smart card which, when removed, removes the certificate, the Safari certificate can continue to be used by anyone afterwards. Hence, its not all that useful for authentication. One approach I have heard about, but not investigated yet is to place the keychain on the removable device. That would make it go away. However, that approach would not work with any other browser or mail program. > > Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, > > -- Doug A little while back I wrote a system to do a simple Two Factor Authentication and dynamic manipulation of PF (Packet Filter) Tables. I created it to prevent brute-force attacks on the servers that I have exposed on the Internet. Users would carry around a flash drive that has an HTML file containing a "message" that is signed by your server (Alternatively, the HTML file can be saved/placed of frequently used devices). When users double-click that file, that message is verfified and the user is then prompted for his/her password. If the password is correct, then access from the user's IP is allowed to your server. The system is released as FOSS and is available at: http://taferno.sourceforge.net More info may be found at: http://taferno.com I don't know if it will work for you. But, you can try if you'd like. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 17:46:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D85911C for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE00EFD for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id er20so13928815lab.4 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=79YtBFPetAXvWdvzWnGUFBPC0akJLGdCXkzJp+M7kLM=; b=EZ8pP2t3MZ1PTaKiFpzOztDHhppyl/3pD8cNYHMcpXbJyX9840i8bB1smPd69m73dc pezgv7EpCFnA/SEM5zlyaCSjifxYeR8H95eGHHIZ3wPbBwufkLJDr5RJ0okUwsUTAIbf D1hIDzdRy8ZLX3aF9GWt357O9sXOJKRTqbgHByMFtfLLHcPuu9s+jHN3XbTwxOmcerrO s2WA2r+1gcDcuXj4YvBhwkWEGTnZ0U49/4xMs7w9SjCvA950Lyyuk8Kcyc3mDMLIn5+I KVq10SlYPyTRbBPqWMenC3VnIQLJevqHI6yPMiOwZ2TDmiqp5/yh1aDtxTPt+d2xwdy4 tzEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.8.9 with SMTP id n9mr8622797lba.71.1364320017668; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.8.40 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.188.191] In-Reply-To: <5151C85D.4050702@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <5151C85D.4050702@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:46:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Status of Xen/Dom0 on FreeBSD? From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Shane Ambler X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkpszA3a26eEbdYYx7LRrDg8qabcfSWBoJ1qeaOIPLbJum4hExBNo9vM531P2cXzXFBNkBk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:46:59 -0000 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 26/03/2013 23:30, C. P. Ghost wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm wondering if there's been some progress on the Xen/Dom0 >> front recently. The Wiki >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/**FreeBSD/Xen >> still doesn't show any improvements in this area, but it may >> also be outdated (?). >> > > Not sure about any Xen/Dom0 work but I get the impression that bhyve is > the focus of freebsd development in that area. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve > > Interesting! Thanks for the hint. However, that's not what I'm looking for. I'm interested in running a type-1 Hypervisor with FreeBSD as the host (as in Xen/Dom0) and all kinds of DomU clients (FreeBSD, Linux, Windows, etc.). The host machine will be a server with at least 90 GB RAM (later up to 512 GB) and plenty of SAS/SATA drives. Since I'm considering running ZFS on those drives at the host level, and serving the clients on top of that, FreeBSD as Xen/Dom0 seems like a good idea... if it was already available. However, I'm not sure yet if ZFS would be advisable for this scenario or if it would kill performance. If not, I wouldn't mind running Xen/Dom0 with some lightweight Linux distro as host, and FreeBSD as DomU. It wouldn't be as nice as a native FreeBSD setup, but it's better than nothing. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 19:13:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC56FEC for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6B17D4 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKZJU-0002EA-TD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:40 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:40 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:40 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Still a problem with 'pkg check -Ba' Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 77 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:26 -0000 I hope Matthew Seaman sees this: All the files are of course present and correct in /usr/local/lib/ virtualbox # pkg check -Ba pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxAutostart - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxAutostart - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxBalloonCtrl - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxBalloonCtrl - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxDDU.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxDDU.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxOGLhostcrutil.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxREM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxVMM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/bin/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxAutostart - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxAutostart - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxBalloonCtrl - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxBalloonCtrl - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/ VBoxExtPackHelperApp - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxDDU.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxDDU.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxOGLhostcrutil.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxREM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxVMM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxTestOGL - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - shared library VBoxRT.so not found # From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 19:19:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B1D1B1 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:19:11 -0000 On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:04 +0000, Walter Hurry wrote: > I hope Matthew Seaman sees this: > > All the files are of course present and correct in /usr/local/lib/ > virtualbox Should have mentioned: This is pkg-1.0.9_2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 21:36:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC9654B for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ADB1E4 for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Still a problem with 'pkg check -Ba' References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2IOIEGGTBPSOVWTCOVUNM" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:36:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2IOIEGGTBPSOVWTCOVUNM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/03/2013 19:18, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:04 +0000, Walter Hurry wrote: >=20 >> I hope Matthew Seaman sees this: >> >> All the files are of course present and correct in /usr/local/lib/ >> virtualbox >=20 > >=20 > Should have mentioned: This is pkg-1.0.9_2 I see it. There haven't been any changes to the shlib code in pkg-1.0.x -- however, things have been improved in pkg-1.1. Still not perfect thou= gh: worm:...matthew/src/pkgng:# pkg check -B virtualbox-ose pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxAutostart - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxAutostart - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxBalloonCtrl - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxBalloonCtrl - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxExtPackHelperApp - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxDDU.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxDDU.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxRT.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - shared library VBoxRT.so not found Still working on it... Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk ------enig2IOIEGGTBPSOVWTCOVUNM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFSFNUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzN2QCeIS/qkh6ODPyUr3TjcywdbhUy 2B4AnjyhYn7hufrHKJP4LJGmPOQqzzMi =bHEk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2IOIEGGTBPSOVWTCOVUNM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 21:57:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEBBDB5 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from fallbackmx08.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB0339C for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by fallbackmx08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2QLv5KO011621 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:57:06 +1100 Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2QLuvQq015667 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:56:59 +1100 Message-ID: <51521995.5080203@clari.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:56:37 +1100 From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> In-Reply-To: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=C62xUnz+ c=1 sm=1 a=rXgAR6YtUHgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ejE0-8HIAAAA:8 a=A9Znw9LtFpAA:10 a=pJ5tzdSAau_WYwAIyjkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=TwJpsSjOaUdsDrgp:21 a=9k4frR42rj5mP9lE:21 a=+rVrtY7z3DVyADW7HUk29Q==:117 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:57:14 -0000 On 27/03/2013 4:18 AM, Joseph Olatt wrote: >> Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, >> > >> >-- Doug > A little while back I wrote a system to do a simple Two Factor > Authentication and dynamic manipulation of PF (Packet Filter) Tables. I > created it to prevent brute-force attacks on the servers that I have > exposed on the Internet. I'm happy to share a program I wrote which slows down the brute force attackers. It simply counts the SYN packets from a given IP and limits the rate per minute by dropping the packet if they are coming too fast. Uses ipfw divert sockets, so would work if you prefer ipfw over pf. If you have a known set of OK IP addresses, you can allow them in ipfw rules before the packets get passed through ratelimit. ratelimit usage: -p maximum packet size (default: 16384 bytes) -d divert port number (default: 1) -r rate at which 50% of packets are dropped (default: 4) -f rate at which 100% of packets are dropped (default: 8) -l number of seconds to sleep between syslog() calls (default: 30) -z path path of pidfile (default: /var/run/ratelimit.pid) -h this message Have you looked at simply using a non-standard port? Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 26 22:02:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EF3147 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC16F603 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2QM2rPw025503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:02:53 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2QM2rPw025503 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1364335373; bh=CUtgXpjsAK8Uj2qSkABwnw/9q7r6I/fOqRNE2e0iSEE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Tue,=2026=20Mar=202013=2022:02:53=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Still=20a=20problem=20with=20'pkg =20check=20-Ba'|References:=20=20=20<515214CD.6030507@infracaninophile.co.uk >|In-Reply-To:=20<515214CD.6030507@infracaninophile.co.uk>; b=fX+G+HJcPwsTUleXuyGAEZp7iRYautcyjrS3ljnqrDBHWWyzghP2QgoK3tlifz1X/ Rq5ghLqMcjWNCzkjj67GGkZ13NFHs2ECpTGnmp0KN4343a7jgpLPg6uvAAUH3dV/cE /3TfE3l6cdhLuWpgQZn56V/1CZkNdW595MTidz5I= Message-ID: <51521B0D.3050204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:02:53 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still a problem with 'pkg check -Ba' References: <515214CD.6030507@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <515214CD.6030507@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2QFRQSXKXCHVCDMLTNUQI" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:02:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2QFRQSXKXCHVCDMLTNUQI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/03/2013 21:36, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 26/03/2013 19:18, Walter Hurry wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:13:04 +0000, Walter Hurry wrote: >> >>> I hope Matthew Seaman sees this: >>> >>> All the files are of course present and correct in /usr/local/lib/ >>> virtualbox >> >> >> >> Should have mentioned: This is pkg-1.0.9_2 >=20 > I see it. There haven't been any changes to the shlib code in pkg-1.0.= x > -- however, things have been improved in pkg-1.1. Still not perfect th= ough: >=20 > worm:...matthew/src/pkgng:# pkg check -B virtualbox-ose > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxAutostart - > shared library VBoxRT.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxAutostart - > shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxBalloonCtrl -= > shared library VBoxRT.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxBalloonCtrl -= > shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) > /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxExtPackHelperApp - shared library > VBoxRT.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - > shared library VBoxDDU.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - > shared library VBoxRT.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage - > shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared > library VBoxDDU.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared > library VBoxRT.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC - shared > library VBoxXPCOM.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - > shared library VBoxXPCOM.so not found > pkg: (virtualbox-ose-4.2.6) /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD - > shared library VBoxRT.so not found >=20 > Still working on it... Actually, fixed that problem and just pushed the commit to master... worm:...matthew/src/pkgng:# pkg check -vB virtualbox-ose Reanalyzing files for shlibs: virtualbox-ose worm:...matthew/src/pkgng:# pkg info -B virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-4.2.6: libxml2.so.5 libvncserver.so.0 libssl.so.8 libpng15.so.15 libiconv.so.3 libcurl.so.6 libcrypto.so.8 VBoxXPCOM.so VBoxVMM.so VBoxRT.so VBoxREM.so VBoxDDU.so VBoxDD2.so Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk ------enig2QFRQSXKXCHVCDMLTNUQI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFSGw0ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzjVwCaA/99fVsANsidNvIctISyhbRX 4UUAn3scfmd6mfzYcgYyOgodJUKkMPQn =6SYp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2QFRQSXKXCHVCDMLTNUQI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 00:08:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA11F96 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F78B28 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [178.3.55.96] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1UKdRR-00021v-4P; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:38:09 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Daniel O'Callaghan" Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> <51521995.5080203@clari.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:37:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51521995.5080203@clari.net.au> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.14 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.6/16908/Tue Mar 26 21:21:59 2013) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:08:24 -0000 On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:56:37 +0100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On 27/03/2013 4:18 AM, Joseph Olatt wrote: >>> Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, >>> > >>> >-- Doug >> A little while back I wrote a system to do a simple Two Factor >> Authentication and dynamic manipulation of PF (Packet Filter) Tables. I >> created it to prevent brute-force attacks on the servers that I have >> exposed on the Internet. > I'm happy to share a program I wrote which slows down the brute force > attackers. > It simply counts the SYN packets from a given IP and limits the rate per > minute by dropping the packet if they are coming too fast. > > Uses ipfw divert sockets, so would work if you prefer ipfw over pf. Me Me Me! ...ahem. I do prefer IPFW over PF and would very much like to try it out, so please do share. Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 00:38:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A319D4E for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:38:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850341C1 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2R0c4XA015342 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:38:04 +1100 Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2R0buCX023531 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:37:57 +1100 Message-ID: <51523F50.3040205@clari.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:37:36 +1100 From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> <51521995.5080203@clari.net.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=F68P7ddN c=1 sm=1 a=rXgAR6YtUHgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ejE0-8HIAAAA:8 a=A9Znw9LtFpAA:10 a=03M6G5plXHdVPKMoUrMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=+rVrtY7z3DVyADW7HUk29Q==:117 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:38:13 -0000 On 27/03/2013 10:37 AM, Michael Ross wrote: >> I'm happy to share a program I wrote which slows down the brute force >> attackers. >> It simply counts the SYN packets from a given IP and limits the rate >> per minute by dropping the packet if they are coming too fast. >> >> Uses ipfw divert sockets, so would work if you prefer ipfw over pf. > > Me Me Me! ...ahem. > I do prefer IPFW over PF and would very much like to try it out, > so please do share. OK, here 'tis https://secure.clari.net.au/ratelimit2.tgz Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 01:59:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FAECE9 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:59:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9F16AD for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [178.3.55.96] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1UKfdy-0004ia-Vi; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:59:15 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Daniel O'Callaghan" Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> <51521995.5080203@clari.net.au> <51523F50.3040205@clari.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51523F50.3040205@clari.net.au> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.14 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.6/16909/Tue Mar 26 23:44:40 2013) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:59:17 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:37:36 +0100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On 27/03/2013 10:37 AM, Michael Ross wrote: >>> I'm happy to share a program I wrote which slows down the brute force >>> attackers. >>> It simply counts the SYN packets from a given IP and limits the rate >>> per minute by dropping the packet if they are coming too fast. >>> >>> Uses ipfw divert sockets, so would work if you prefer ipfw over pf. >> >> Me Me Me! ...ahem. >> I do prefer IPFW over PF and would very much like to try it out, >> so please do share. > OK, here 'tis > > https://secure.clari.net.au/ratelimit2.tgz > > Danny Thanks! I'd like to be able to change the time window: http://gurder.ross.cx/misc/ratelimit.patch Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 02:29:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3615F238 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from fallbackmx08.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67117B7 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.194]) by fallbackmx08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2R2TrIW019736 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:29:54 +1100 Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) by mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2R2Tfkf001425; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:29:43 +1100 Message-ID: <51525980.1020008@clari.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:29:20 +1100 From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Ross Subject: Re: Client Authentication References: <20130326171812.GA20118@shellx.eskimo.com> <51521995.5080203@clari.net.au> <51523F50.3040205@clari.net.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=S7iBW/QP c=1 sm=1 a=rXgAR6YtUHgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ejE0-8HIAAAA:8 a=A9Znw9LtFpAA:10 a=QIrji121AAAA:8 a=GBf7lf8_IgMkCMPKuXUA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=+rVrtY7z3DVyADW7HUk29Q==:117 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:29:56 -0000 On 27/03/2013 12:59 PM, Michael Ross wrote: > I'd like to be able to change the time window: > > http://gurder.ross.cx/misc/ratelimit.patch Neat. Thanks for that. Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 09:01:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1740CA9F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F54200 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id r2R9108O044408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id r2R910li044407 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA01423; Wed, 27 Mar 13 01:57:58 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:57:48 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: line lengths in /etc/hosts Message-Id: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:01:02 -0000 Is there a limit on line length in FreeBSD's /etc/hosts? I'm not finding any mention of such a limit in hosts(5), but characters beyond the first 660 or so seem to be ignored. To answer the inevitable followup "why would anyone need such a long line in /etc/hosts": With this line in /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts: files dns I can easily suppress access to unwanted web sites by adding names to the localhost line in /etc/hosts, like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain bad1.com bad2.com ... My version of that line has gotten rather long :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 09:06:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21FCC6F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1352B1 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA403CA14; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:06:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2R96dfY002040; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:06:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:06:39 +0100 From: Polytropon To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Re: line lengths in /etc/hosts Message-Id: <20130327100639.bcdaf9cc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:06:40 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:57:48 -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > I can easily suppress access to unwanted web sites by adding > names to the localhost line in /etc/hosts, like this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain bad1.com bad2.com ... > > My version of that line has gotten rather long :) Without actually havint tested this, but have you considered using the \ continuation character (linebreak escape) to avoid the problem? Also I think there's not a generic limit to the /etc/hosts file itself, but maybe to the input buffers of the programs that read this file... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 09:09:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A24DB6 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD60B324 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.9.150.193] (unknown [95.169.240.181]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11F3B1C0841; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:09:36 +0100 (CET) References: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: =?utf-8?Q?Erik_N=C3=B8rgaard?= Subject: Re: line lengths in /etc/hosts Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:09:29 +0100 To: Perry Hutchison Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:09:44 -0000 On 27 Mar 2013, at 09:57, perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > Is there a limit on line length in FreeBSD's /etc/hosts? > > I'm not finding any mention of such a limit in hosts(5), but > characters beyond the first 660 or so seem to be ignored. > > To answer the inevitable followup "why would anyone need such > a long line in /etc/hosts": > > With this line in /etc/nsswitch.conf > > hosts: files dns > > I can easily suppress access to unwanted web sites by adding > names to the localhost line in /etc/hosts, like this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain bad1.com bad2.com ... > > My version of that line has gotten rather long :) AFAIK you can have multiple lines. BR From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 09:31:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB06496 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D613760 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=1Ls4+FnAxVzXhlu3AeYg2V/KL95ts8kXDLNaUJiI2R4=; b=gEYxi2omR6r+PEUJ87fvKOPG7DClMpTgQ7f9ZtoQ79qTonQFqodzBN+Gyrx01gjT7mMR8prFQJnNPAXOBr3OacS1eEYsndH1mxCuPs8E5xcTofXC+oLCk1yjZdpsokcBzXFZnb4E4AabcGcnpwDdnqoEN3Lg6htjEuWpJu3NslU=; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=33479 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmhZ-0049C6-Bi; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 03:31:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:31:20 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Erik =?UTF-8?B?TsO4cmdhYXJk?= Subject: Re: line lengths in /etc/hosts Message-ID: <20130327163120.6877eeee@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Perry Hutchison , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:31:34 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:09:29 +0100 Erik N=C3=B8rgaard wrote: > On 27 Mar 2013, at 09:57, perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) > wrote: >=20 > > Is there a limit on line length in FreeBSD's /etc/hosts? > >=20 > > I'm not finding any mention of such a limit in hosts(5), but > > characters beyond the first 660 or so seem to be ignored. > >=20 > > To answer the inevitable followup "why would anyone need such > > a long line in /etc/hosts": > >=20 > > With this line in /etc/nsswitch.conf > >=20 > > hosts: files dns > >=20 > > I can easily suppress access to unwanted web sites by adding > > names to the localhost line in /etc/hosts, like this: > >=20 > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain bad1.com bad2.com ... > >=20 > > My version of that line has gotten rather long :) >=20 > AFAIK you can have multiple lines.=20 >=20 yes, I have hundreds or even thousands of lines and never ran into any problems. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 09:49:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C15BE4 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FF0900 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [188.174.202.74] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKmz1-0001fl-LV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:49:27 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2R9nQfZ002919 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:49:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id r2R9nPm1002918 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:49:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:49:25 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: OT: The future of USENET? Message-ID: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r214444 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 188.174.202.74 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:49:37 -0000 Hello, This is a bit OT, but maybe some of you FreeBSD folks are as well affected like me and/or have any answer or comments... In the past I've used a lot the so called newsgroups, even running my own inn news server for our company and nn as the newsreader. I liked to post there technical (and other) questions and answers, or I've google'ed for solutions. Nowadays there is a big silence :-( Where have all the people gone? Is USENET coming to its end? matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 10:50:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFD43C2 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85F0CE55 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84116 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2013 10:49:57 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2013 10:49:57 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5152CED5.20005@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:49:57 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? References: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> In-Reply-To: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:50:04 -0000 >Is USENET coming to its end? Yes, for better or worse. It's been a slow downward spiral since the late 90's. I can't speak for other countries, but in the US the majority of ISPs started dropping access as a cost cutting measure since your average layman didn't really understand or use it. Younger generations in turn never knew it existed and ended up reinventing most of the functionality with web forums. Not helping matters is that, due to a couple isolated cases, the news media ignorantly view usenet as a haven for child porn and pirate movies, so there's increasing clamor to shut it down. There were a few 3rd party companies here and there that offered dedicated access, but most of them have closed up shop by this point due to social/political pressure. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 10:52:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E581506 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF68E84 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-88-89.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.88.89]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8383CDF6; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:52:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2RAqY18002305; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:52:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:52:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? Message-Id: <20130327115234.1ff721ae.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> References: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Matthias Apitz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:52:29 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:49:25 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Where have all the people gone? They're using wibbly wobbly web wonder services, unless they've been placed in a retirement castle. :-) > Is USENET coming to its end? I think it's just changing audiences. A common means of USENET today seems to be binary groups for sharing warez. There are few newsgroups considered "old-fashioned", "greybeard" and "elitist" grounds. The common means of communication probably has moved to other services, generic ones such as mailing lists, and more "service- oriented" ones like the many web-based platforms. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 10:55:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D054E7A0 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78A70EBF for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9556 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2013 10:55:47 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2013 10:55:47 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5152D033.2030501@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:55:47 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? References: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> <5152CED5.20005@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <5152CED5.20005@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:55:55 -0000 >Younger generations In my experience, few people under the age of 30 have used usenet, and no one under the age of 20 has even heard of it. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 11:35:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E184F4 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-we0-x236.google.com (mail-we0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F2618C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k14so4402588wer.27 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=sFDvZ59nA5Go1Cs8lRvAMUI5CKmxz5Nu0qZ43Mvd/1o=; b=AJMJXhwznIBBCDnaCBV7j7d+/jQ7NjRnGjBQ0JimDpHjZ0tmKEzX/a8U2XTwsHPc0o G2bKa7TDaYwnziaNtiMgYYk01WAKjIiDL2hUIcQxDQ0vWY30bUr9tfsvy7TQBKnyx8Qd IYp/XouoKceKrGeveneqDe1PuL4agcPzS4Jik5ebHOSSDtaK1Bpw78YeQdYbnaWAlJfb LO0mMjzPsHT5P/cKA5mKmal57WKNhIOVaGG0y4wz5e8Xv6BCDwRYAyR/OF2GmLsngoAO zbuzsgQ7kC4awzV+DCfMRqn9hWCjCxfwxCPLgakO64kvc2MuJ5hGcq4T4gfTVM0Ams8B Iu3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.181.40 with SMTP id dt8mr9054974wic.17.1364384153606; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.115.135 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:35:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5152D033.2030501@sneakertech.com> References: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> <5152CED5.20005@sneakertech.com> <5152D033.2030501@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? From: Alejandro Imass To: Quartz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl6jIP1S9SW9kw/7ZsP34GshCpEZ9D+qAffUGjVKvxbYSe9jBRjutFZd2GczhqbMk6kkiMs Cc: Matthias Apitz , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:35:54 -0000 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Quartz wrote: >> Younger generations > > > In my experience, few people under the age of 30 have used usenet, and no > one under the age of 20 has even heard of it. > It's interesting to see all the re-inventions that occur all the time. It's basically the same stuff, just re-invented for a wider audience, lowering the barrier of entry in some cases and in others just plain stupidity and ignorance. Many times these re-inventions happen without even prior knowledge of what exists and other times are "simplified" forks, or robbed ideas that wind up being the same or worse than their original counterparts. Examples are in all areas of technology, and in society in general. For example, chat and instant messaging have always been avail for IRC users since the late eighties but have been re-invented in the late nineties with a bunch of incompatible and overlapping IM protocols. Blogs and forums are also re-inventions of older and in many cases more robust and versatile technologies like USENET and mailing lists. In many cases what I find that is a shame is that these re-inventions don't build on top of mature technologies but rather start out as simple things and then evolve to overly complex things without any elegance and that (as stated above) wind up being even more complex and generally much less elegant than their older counterparts. A good example is Windows and perhaps most of MS technology in general, with a few counted exceptions. In some cases the prior art in known quite well, take for example PHP which was originally written in Perl, then forked to a new language for whatever reasons, and the evolves to be as complex or worse than Perl itself, and after all these years it's still not a full-fledged and decent programming language. In some cases, the evolutionary line is actually positive, take for example Ruby. Yet in this case, Perl has continued to evolve quite well, as Larry Wall well put it: "The camel has evolved to be relatively self-sufficient. (On the other hand, the camel has not evolved to smell good. Neither has Perl.)". One could go on forever with thousands of example, but it's all about evolution and you can only evaluate these things with time. Who knows, maybe USENET, IRC. etc. will continue to evolve and survive in niches, or someday make a great comeback when other options have run their course and have gone extinct. Best, -- Alejandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 11:45:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A7D835 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com (mail-la0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ABB22B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so15513592lab.15 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7DorcUAfQAWpyjlHYmJienQcw9uAYgXoi/Qev7C2ze4=; b=GyWaAA8DUQl2/l62h3/f3iAhx/cNTT2kCxCEf9j111A5c0hIL0PwiGcz3kWeTAd4RT S1rFxR+bFDBn8MqJTj8RdZuxCaq614yb/mIenK9j/eMkS92cttlctGQYjTNjUzw8fMWi X1rvFOmYLOmFMOFw8AoylwixWWnneqe8CI6sbtW7ydkdQaydj4KujDuROeT9T3uVaMtL +pw1Y4xqkbBbgS4AKL0eulbNORYRq/+dZWoDSt3bat6ZkxxwJLSSpgaEX7+rRCnxDla6 dGJqXFBBPjdC7BTjnlgQZsH9Iu/tE+kgRjxZfWUEo2z/SzPI+rTP/aRQXyqi4jpky58x DadQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.132.36 with SMTP id or4mr10242795lab.8.1364384755999; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.8.40 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.169.51] In-Reply-To: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> References: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:45:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Matthias Apitz X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnP10gcSy9vjyzFW3F/36hksTJeux6j3a5Pm1I7rMCISPoeEbxA37FeCkJ+mndBMLtI8E+b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:45:57 -0000 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > This is a bit OT, but maybe some of you FreeBSD folks are as well > affected like me and/or have any answer or comments... > > In the past I've used a lot the so called newsgroups, even running my own > inn > news server for our company and nn as the newsreader. I liked to post > there technical (and other) questions and answers, or I've google'ed for > solutions. > > Nowadays there is a big silence :-( > Where have all the people gone? Is USENET coming to its end? > Well, the public Usenet forums are dwindling, but still there, and some of them are still quite active. Usenet is also still doing well in closed communities which can afford to run a newsserver (e.g. some Universities). I wouldn't write off Usenet yet; neither as a technology nor as a real network. -cpghost. > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: > www.asciiribbon.org > E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail > WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments > phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 12:01:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A7A2DF for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@staticsafe.ca) Received: from uriel.asininetech.com (uriel.asininetech.com [IPv6:2607:5300:60:e3a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782FA375 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1d:96b::197] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1d:96b::197]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uriel.asininetech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E5811E04FC for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:00:56 -0400 (EDT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.0.1 uriel.asininetech.com E5811E04FC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=staticsafe.ca; s=2012; t=1364385657; bh=zwMCNRy/Bd3tmDVLvXAywS5L9GKXVtirGGy3Esh7X1U=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GlC654PkIhFfFg+vIW/Heo/x/1P9qzjUlL5Q7NSIVHAlP5Pxv4OZYkMJswzokyQnH jEatbMzCtRVMtPOb/envpDZGSZpWzJHWZYyuRcz8aVFiwj/Q+kNLIhs3z0yqXi/GS8 CgGihWCrhhCRb7d8WLBC4gIzWOnAMjPh+Ogum2Lc= Message-ID: <5152DF76.1020108@staticsafe.ca> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:00:54 -0400 From: staticsafe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? References: <20130327094925.GA2867@tinyCurrent> <5152CED5.20005@sneakertech.com> <5152D033.2030501@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <5152D033.2030501@sneakertech.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:01:04 -0000 On 3/27/2013 6:55, Quartz wrote: >> Younger generations > > In my experience, few people under the age of 30 have used usenet, and > no one under the age of 20 has even heard of it. > 19 year old usenet subscriber reporting in! I subscribe to ASR and c.p.t.ntp which are the only decent newsgroups that I have found, I've tried a few others but they seem to be dead and filled with spam. Anyone got any recommendations for newsgroups to subscribe to? :) -- staticsafe O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post - http://goo.gl/YrmAb Don't CC me! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. 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I'm trying to update devel/py-setuptools which has been replaced by devel/py-distribute. As mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING I did "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute devel/py-setuptools" since I'm using ports, but nothing happens. Output of "pkg_version -vIL=" : py27-setuptools-0.6c11_3 > succeeds index (index has 0.6.35) I already tried to fix the package registry using "pkgdb -F". I've been trying to fix this for days, but still can't find a solution. Any idea ? Thanks. 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I have the same problem. However, since everything is apparently working I just chose to ignore it. It probably should get corrected though. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 12:51:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0D5F2 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x230.google.com (mail-bk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93B790E for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f48.google.com with SMTP id jf3so1280933bkc.35 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hWCZ0eP4ttX1nV1ya2Ydjz3fZnV2Zq3WQCrRo3KQW24=; b=sJICLYe+LCb9L+xxEYprbaBsjeD2cHTd1/KDQ90zJsdEF4sJMri8AwddJyIymo6cq8 juZY7bTOZ9YIlRUan2RMBteBDttgMcr2dOF0CuomFuNqlxdsm7s//trnkTtnM+bWkwNe Htv617EzPq3c6+97XPBy00XAz9qTifVSt7nV+UR4JOve9NV6aN3Zt9y87sgQiM4Lu2MJ wIupYs2nQRp5cp5ftVG6rn4m4RHiXmEGtlhWpI0Q6kLMlxNmVAptYDklmE0s3nEBqElE AqGWOG5fUKW8U7rQGRDxw7jLCIWWjiUV/98PwJcoHiSW11ngVsKDr9x1wa+M2Nm8d2jn oEhw== X-Received: by 10.205.72.70 with SMTP id yn6mr10100065bkb.63.1364388661899; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([91.196.229.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gm14sm5187665bkc.7.2013.03.27.05.51.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:50:59 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loic Capdeville , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> In-Reply-To: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:51:03 -0000 2013-03-27 14:22, Loic Capdeville wrote: > Hi ! > > I'm trying to update devel/py-setuptools which has been replaced by > devel/py-distribute. > As mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING I did "portupgrade -fo > devel/py-distribute devel/py-setuptools" since I'm using ports, but > nothing happens. > > Output of "pkg_version -vIL=" : > py27-setuptools-0.6c11_3 > succeeds index (index has 0.6.35) > > I already tried to fix the package registry using "pkgdb -F". > > I've been trying to fix this for days, but still can't find a solution. > > Any idea ? Can you post contents of /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth* files? -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 13:00:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974924E6 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lolox-freebsd@lolox.net) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:17c5::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599349E0 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7077F34D; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:02:10 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lolox.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=lolox; t=1364389328; bh=DnXb5icQnTw328O/WhD4qgt9vpnhbhjoym5qBwXu9Ng=; b=KCApKyTPW7Lr qLNx2hwA6p+39octoHFZjsF3BRZEToEv2vbH6iwVTE8vKh5VfKl4rWPCZ1t7J6gz /MiLxUBuBNYbKa250+ON/+fUO0EWa/aNqvsPmLGHdZeZTJCacqbLC3XZ5XHAZv36 nFsbBdn3j6iW8KfxjZr2GU1ZmBJlym8= X-Virus-Scanned: Mailstorm at lolox.net Received: from altenberg.lolox.net ([127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (altenberg.lolox.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vpi46Vsyrj4j; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:02:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from orkher.lolox.net (ANancy-555-1-130-211.w92-161.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.161.202.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lolox@lolox.net) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA5C67F314; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:02:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:00:59 +0100 From: Loic Capdeville User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:00:43 -0000 On 27/03/2013 13:50, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 2013-03-27 14:22, Loic Capdeville wrote: >> Hi ! >> >> I'm trying to update devel/py-setuptools which has been replaced by >> devel/py-distribute. >> As mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING I did "portupgrade -fo >> devel/py-distribute devel/py-setuptools" since I'm using ports, but >> nothing happens. >> >> Output of "pkg_version -vIL=" : >> py27-setuptools-0.6c11_3 > succeeds index (index has 0.6.35) >> >> I already tried to fix the package registry using "pkgdb -F". >> >> I've been trying to fix this for days, but still can't find a solution. >> >> Any idea ? > > Can you post contents of > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth* files? > Thanks for your quick response. Here is what you requested: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 395 Mar 13 04:50 /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 215 Dec 30 15:04 /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 13:05:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C86D640 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lolox-freebsd@lolox.net) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:17c5::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDCCA4F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5082E7F34D; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:07:20 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lolox.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=lolox; t=1364389634; bh=x+MYLsiEv9TYQ7yzpKPNDVCv/nEGvWRD1dfiGuyVZ/Y=; b=UcPUEn5RmOIj PyIwgb+m3VS0kGM1J1P0ufGnmrwLueNZsizz/cNZSag9pNXsJlJYjbKAuiXHiIwg mQNdWDYOjsXH0agYf2UJeE39UxsO27LF8Qzgk5tCa5ZlhP1wbg1/Tbvwuxy0ljkb TUr+H+/Z0BH3Q0h3xausZM1di0gnklo= X-Virus-Scanned: Mailstorm at lolox.net Received: from altenberg.lolox.net ([127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (altenberg.lolox.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id IhtsU3LHEtjF; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:07:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from orkher.lolox.net (ANancy-555-1-130-211.w92-161.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.161.202.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lolox@lolox.net) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF1B57F314; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:07:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:06:04 +0100 From: Loic Capdeville User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> In-Reply-To: <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:05:55 -0000 On 27/03/2013 14:00, Loic Capdeville wrote: > On 27/03/2013 13:50, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >> 2013-03-27 14:22, Loic Capdeville wrote: >>> Hi ! >>> >>> I'm trying to update devel/py-setuptools which has been replaced by >>> devel/py-distribute. >>> As mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING I did "portupgrade -fo >>> devel/py-distribute devel/py-setuptools" since I'm using ports, but >>> nothing happens. >>> >>> Output of "pkg_version -vIL=" : >>> py27-setuptools-0.6c11_3 > succeeds index (index has >>> 0.6.35) >>> >>> I already tried to fix the package registry using "pkgdb -F". >>> >>> I've been trying to fix this for days, but still can't find a solution. >>> >>> Any idea ? >> >> Can you post contents of >> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth* files? >> > > Thanks for your quick response. > Here is what you requested: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 395 Mar 13 04:50 > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 215 Dec 30 15:04 > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ... and the files content: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth: import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) ./setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg ./Pygments-1.5-py2.7.egg ./Babel-0.9.6-py2.7.egg ./MarkupSafe-0.15-py2.7-freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-amd64.egg ./Jinja2-2.6-py2.7.egg ./Sphinx-1.1.3-py2.7.egg ./virtualenv-1.9.1-py2.7.egg import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = p+len(new) /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist: import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) ./setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = p+len(new) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 13:27:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F37C84 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x235.google.com (mail-bk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D41CB9 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id e19so1819444bku.12 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RZwPmEQ6d45qmkhqRWJk+0lo3wbzkf7ExmOmKJ2ipWY=; b=G3Z8P63g7258ypObbUxCJ6nmuIn3EC4ohU3KnsL3SCVPPgAcDUhJ1JPNkfrz/0lUaC UvEdH3uC1SND2WEO//LJ4hPGF8anqQyb3zib1Je8EwB3WfbebBPEuNGbcdLxOnrGf3l1 4gIrSU76d0+ToDREhKoEJkT+dbYfmb5R3Fyzy3zhdTWpAP6X0ET9iiE7dUvhQvAZk5NR 1h9VVhZsEjBdbVT/OubJ6bj0NnPqa0PLul97KSkMBs6kyuAa3yCGUlhbN3El4SFVd1d0 eaimYy9nqHjpo3kb5HiFagRsNs1Od6cKdqTXLa1/oY/NKFIVSPxqY1mveBA1RJvqjQm1 wRaQ== X-Received: by 10.204.146.141 with SMTP id h13mr9939797bkv.127.1364390832522; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([91.196.229.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cr6sm1628409bkb.2.2013.03.27.06.27.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:27:10 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loic Capdeville Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> In-Reply-To: <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:27:14 -0000 2013-03-27 15:06, Loic Capdeville wrote: > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth: > > import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) > ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg > ../Pygments-1.5-py2.7.egg > ../Babel-0.9.6-py2.7.egg > ../MarkupSafe-0.15-py2.7-freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-amd64.egg > ../Jinja2-2.6-py2.7.egg > ../Sphinx-1.1.3-py2.7.egg > ../virtualenv-1.9.1-py2.7.egg > import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; > p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = > p+len(new) > > > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist: > > import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) > ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg > import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; > p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = > p+len(new) Looks like py-distribute is not installed at all. what was the outcome of "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute devel/py-setuptools"? Can you try running that again? -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 13:29:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1265FD6D for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEACFCED for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a11so9868374iee.39 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PmNYrg70Q8O7ScBx/twrXH3mtjW7bjcCnsu8pj3AZcI=; b=Uj0Kw8v6IEwqXFVcPe9U+DSFZCRHqLjQ44VMROUII4EzYJnsrEmCn/naIX+bniHz1z hJQ3kjZXDfoEFE0yKpXQkXrsLWNwGB46mVWByn0Q0IxIEUXYdOld0QnXVLjTO2XI9NZn BOVBVcKjdZ58gvkTz0LOBErlWhJegbuVW1eWirTMmyIXpm6mXJvnnK/zBJ+1Pzj4MBFS j5iqaDvc8ACDWEJt/ZubHQPHaBHL+INk8qixeOca8TKzH5tGdFh26QZtWrFbx4a1fdXe xRGLCCWv0KB8H4LZCmO6Dl8k2ODYY4zoz5pJt/18MO+7LqYsyycGiHSny7kkRHsiSQhU 1GsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.136.67 with SMTP id s3mr11848850ict.31.1364390945511; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.65 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:29:05 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem From: Leonardo Santagostini To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:29:06 -0000 Hello all. I have a latitude e6400 with FreeBSD Release 9.1. And i can't get the USB modem working. I tried with umodem, u3g but no luck :( -- Dmesg root@:/root # dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243826: Tue Dec 4 06:55:39 UTC 2012 root@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz (2261.05-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x1067a Family = 6 Model = 17 Stepping = 10 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x408e3fd AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 1967104000 (1875 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 kqemu version 0x00010400 kqemu: KQEMU installed, max_locked_mem=980872kB. acpi0: on motherboard Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 Event timer "HPET3" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 440 acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 78f4d400 (3) failed cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71,0x72-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43,0x50-0x53 irq 2 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x930,0x934 on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 vgapci0: port 0xef70-0xef77 mem 0xf6c00000-0xf6ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0 agp0: on vgapci0 agp0: aperture size is 256M, detected 32764k stolen memory vgapci1: mem 0xf6b00000-0xf6bfffff at device 2.1 on pci0 pci0: at device 3.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0xef78-0xef7f,0xef68-0xef6b,0xef80-0xef87,0xef6c-0xef6f,0xef90-0xef9f irq 18 at device 3.2 on pci0 ata2: at channel 0 on atapci0 ata3: at channel 1 on atapci0 pci0: at device 3.3 (no driver attached) em0: port 0xefe0-0xefff mem 0xf6ae0000-0xf6afffff,0xf6adb000-0xf6adbfff irq 22 at device 25.0 on pci0 em0: Using an MSI interrupt em0: Ethernet address: 00:1e:c9:25:e8:07 uhci0: port 0x6f60-0x6f7f irq 20 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus0 on uhci0 uhci1: port 0x6f80-0x6f9f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus1 on uhci1 uhci2: port 0x6fa0-0x6fbf irq 22 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus2 on uhci2 ehci0: mem 0xfed1c400-0xfed1c7ff irq 22 at device 26.7 on pci0 usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3 on ehci0 hdac0: mem 0xf6adc000-0xf6adffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci11: on pcib1 pcib2: at device 28.1 on pci0 pci12: on pcib2 iwn0: mem 0xf69fe000-0xf69fffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci12 pcib3: at device 28.2 on pci0 pci13: on pcib3 uhci3: port 0x6f00-0x6f1f irq 20 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci3: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus4 on uhci3 uhci4: port 0x6f20-0x6f3f irq 21 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus5 on uhci4 uhci5: port 0x6f40-0x6f5f irq 22 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus6 on uhci5 ehci1: mem 0xfed1c000-0xfed1c3ff irq 20 at device 29.7 on pci0 usbus7: EHCI version 1.0 usbus7 on ehci1 pcib4: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib4 cbb0: irq 19 at device 1.0 on pci3 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xf68ff800-0xf68fffff irq 17 at device 1.1 on pci3 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 35:4f:c0:00:2e:29:4e:21 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 1 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 36:4f:c0:29:4e:21 fwe0: Ethernet address: 36:4f:c0:29:4e:21 fwip0: on firewire0 fwip0: Firewire address: 35:4f:c0:00:2e:29:4e:21 @ 0xfffe00000000, S400, maxrec 2048 dcons_crom0: on firewire0 dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x76db8000 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: BUS reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: node_id=0x00000000, SelfID Count=1, CYCLEMASTER mode pci3: at device 1.2 (no driver attached) pci3: at device 1.3 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0x6e70-0x6e77,0x6e78-0x6e7b,0x6e80-0x6e87,0x6e88-0x6e8b,0x6ea0-0x6eaf,0x6e90-0x6e9f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata4: at channel 0 on atapci1 ata5: at channel 1 on atapci1 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atapci2: port 0x6eb0-0x6eb7,0x6eb8-0x6ebb,0x6ec0-0x6ec7,0x6ec8-0x6ecb,0x6ee0-0x6eef,0xefa0-0xefaf irq 19 at device 31.5 on pci0 ata6: at channel 0 on atapci2 ata7: at channel 1 on atapci2 acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 battery1: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: port 0x100-0x107 on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64,0x62,0x66 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcf7ff,0xcf800-0xcffff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ata0: at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1: at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. ctl: CAM Target Layer loaded est0: on cpu0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 est1: on cpu1 p4tcc1: on cpu1 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0 cable IRM irm(0) (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 pcm0: at nid 13,10 and 11,14 on hdaa0 pcm1: at nid 15 and 24 on hdaa0 hdacc1: at cad 1 on hdac0 unknown: at nid 2 on hdacc1 (no driver attached) hdacc2: at cad 2 on hdac0 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc2 pcm2: at nid 3 on hdaa1 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus6: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus7: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub3: on usbus3 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub5: on usbus5 ugen6.1: at usbus6 uhub6: on usbus6 ugen7.1: at usbus7 uhub7: on usbus7 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered uhub7: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered ada0 at ata4 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA-8 SATA 2.x device ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: 114473MB (234441648 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad8 cd0 at ata5 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! Root mount waiting for: usbus3 Root mount waiting for: usbus3 ugen3.2: at usbus3 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p2 [rw]... ugen0.2: at usbus0 uhub8: on usbus0 ugen2.2: at usbus2 uhub8: 3 ports with 0 removable, self powered ugen0.3: at usbus0 ukbd0: on usbus0 kbd2 at ukbd0 ugen0.4: at usbus0 ums0: on usbus0 ums0: 3 buttons and [XY] coordinates ID=2 wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:21:6a:4b:da:1c wlan0: link state changed to UP ugen7.2: at usbus7 ugen7.2: at usbus7 (disconnected) ugen7.2: at usbus7 umodem0: on usbus7 umodem0: data interface 0, has no CM over data, has no break umodem1: on usbus7 umodem1: data interface 1, has no CM over data, has no break umodem2: on usbus7 umodem2: data interface 2, has no CM over data, has no break umass0: on usbus7 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 umass0:9:0:-1: Attached to scbus9 cd1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd1: 40.000MB/s transfers cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present umass1: on usbus7 umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 umass1:10:1:-1: Attached to scbus10 da0 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present -- usbconfig list output root@:/root # usbconfig list ugen0.1: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen1.1: at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen2.1: at usbus2, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen3.1: at usbus3, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen4.1: at usbus4, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen5.1: at usbus5, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen6.1: at usbus6, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen7.1: at usbus7, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen3.2: at usbus3, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=ON ugen0.2: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=SAVE ugen2.2: <5880 Broadcom Corp> at usbus2, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON ugen0.3: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON ugen0.4: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON ugen7.2: at usbus7, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=ON root@:/root # kldload ucom kldload: can't load ucom: File exists root@:/root # kldload u3g kldload: can't load u3g: File exists root@:/root # sysctl -a dev.u3g sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.u3g' root@:/root # anyone could give to me some clue. Thanks in advance. Saludos / Regards Leonardo Santagostini From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 13:32:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40138FEE for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lolox-freebsd@lolox.net) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:17c5::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CF2D68 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEAB7F34D; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:34:19 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lolox.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=lolox; t=1364391256; bh=xZpT72Ume8K47gzUd2dgDRgYcxkwtTsvdyUaugvexmw=; b=WwkKG1twaKrp YHTqeByOfvY83eyEDIVB3lPGIJWkvK3mVBrE61MElpKYYbQboyoh+5KxhP/Ph52S y6e3RBwz8Ph+sIsk2uA0nY0pxzGuZ5qLwttZyDCPsziqUgZ9akj7NdHDkYIUkTD/ a+BNaq4uNQG08o5EbsEuRO5fSYpF5tg= X-Virus-Scanned: Mailstorm at lolox.net Received: from altenberg.lolox.net ([127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (altenberg.lolox.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id B5Tiw-xvahzL; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:34:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from orkher.lolox.net (ANancy-555-1-130-211.w92-161.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.161.202.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lolox@lolox.net) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 816177F314; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:34:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:33:07 +0100 From: Loic Capdeville User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:32:52 -0000 On 27/03/2013 14:27, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 2013-03-27 15:06, Loic Capdeville wrote: >> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth: >> >> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >> ../Pygments-1.5-py2.7.egg >> ../Babel-0.9.6-py2.7.egg >> ../MarkupSafe-0.15-py2.7-freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-amd64.egg >> ../Jinja2-2.6-py2.7.egg >> ../Sphinx-1.1.3-py2.7.egg >> ../virtualenv-1.9.1-py2.7.egg >> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >> p+len(new) >> >> >> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist: >> >> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >> p+len(new) > > Looks like py-distribute is not installed at all. > > what was the outcome of "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute > devel/py-setuptools"? Can you try running that again? > It hasn't printed anything since the first time I tried to run it... and still print nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 14:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B935ED5 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C587FFD for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 15so1422633vea.1 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=drenet.info; s=google; h=x-received:content-type:to:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:user-agent; bh=evxz6b51ae6GWec8gqmD+WD8ADejZ2r2AxQ7KbhORdM=; b=B0nDnoDq3WYa/pfRe5dPwdQ7paGgaX/p/esZUil9lyAOojZ23lOXNF+LGN/PRGRTLG pezP2e+PY9kpKJvO+U66NVgAmOC1RWLzT2aZmQlSBn2TrLUtJuAkZyu/99QwOfjxOtxp AnZLtg6zi2qsJkEgzz4nVuFL5LhZLgUOf3D84= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:to:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:user-agent :x-gm-message-state; bh=evxz6b51ae6GWec8gqmD+WD8ADejZ2r2AxQ7KbhORdM=; b=Wegtgxq2fNYCkdAMa6PmpTBUFTPYTkW8BdEYU5h+FgoWn8FEBadaB1p8vpyduyIAUQ ShRRLgRFItR+32jH2S0jp/HNJryf9MvnegG2NHPqq4+ZFGCCR+cgizOagmPoDAjK54CX LXr5d/XUL3ojNHjOU3yfE/79BxdL5+AUN0ONTccRwM0MgHJtfvHexAyhU+ZsfgJipXgb WnFYWRXvpWWaMcVdciYjdEn+SMZnz276gZYNszMTW1KdCcK7BkWiMqOPZaVv59jb5Igb PK0EWcd1LpMUGebmQYfnLAUPzGdFIuKRnc11MFHQvXLs90GIgBftBOh4OMbY0h2A0wag Fc2g== X-Received: by 10.58.48.166 with SMTP id m6mr22882131ven.59.1364393118594; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sideswipe-dt.accesso.office ([75.112.170.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s9sm14182017veb.5.2013.03.27.07.05.17 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:05:15 -0400 Subject: icedtea plugin alongside linux-sun-jdk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andre Goree" Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.14 (FreeBSD) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnObTAYGZsipPgFSDmQ7xb/9Q0S1E8w0DAghq8So5Ob4y0aBB/Z/VpAL1kyQM74cF+et4/1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:05:19 -0000 I have linux-sun-jdk16 installed on my workstation at my workplace due to certain linux-based software that I need to be able to run. This works flawlessly, however I'm wondering what caveats I'll run into by now installing the icedtea web browser plugin, since it seems to depend on FreeBSD's openjdk. Is it possible to run these two alongside each other? -- Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 15:55:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7DC3B8 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8E198B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.1] ([173.88.202.176]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: <5153163C.5070809@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:54:36 -0400 From: Joe User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: /etc/sudoers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2013 15:54:51.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A9355E0:01CE2B03] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:55:55 -0000 I have been moving this file forward since about release 5.0. Today is tried the do a man sudoers and got no page found. The su man page does not reference it. Has the file been removed? Does it maybe belong to some port? Any ideas? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:00:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECAA4D2 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC049D2 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k13so643015wgh.17 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=a9U/8MCVgFA8D3wCeHm584wXooKMXo1xx9YaJbsLtGc=; b=kwoI7cTcxXIFN/kIRiP0bW5bI/O4G+50rFmvjnH8FX5tx6ZoYv3VfK9PqiUey670MI gNeDfAwQ1X/vVm4UIV2kTXi2wJfDcuj3PlFXqClhdzB20BEVhd60xtiNzVyxk98Q0pxU BVP8n1yqIg6Gv58EnF/c7+610VvjY+Q+BFDI+mXh1Hl+m0dJhNPpCpYPynTfiyi5ibmo RX6EOuZ009NCBhg80mAMSpxSdHHhNnNecPiOxJN2uOltcz13dP51zIeXrUDDsm6GTPuo huyJANeUStwhG0JIVjdndGsOJD39vI6Ykfh09ZHyd8A0m10TcSzabVWkBCITtgB9FG5A SwJA== X-Received: by 10.180.80.35 with SMTP id o3mr10824102wix.9.1364400006436; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot.paris.hi-media-techno.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dp5sm9442826wib.1.2013.03.27.09.00.02 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: /etc/sudoers From: Fleuriot Damien In-Reply-To: <5153163C.5070809@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:00:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5153163C.5070809@a1poweruser.com> To: Joe X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnjWpSVZ4lUiU2pDtkczOQTy/7PKPad1zA+tOZjvy7jP7/MyEL3RhkiEEMChacAuFANamUW Cc: FreeBSD questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:00:10 -0000 On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Joe wrote: > I have been moving this file forward since about release 5.0. > Today is tried the do a man sudoers and got no page found. > The su man page does not reference it. >=20 > Has the file been removed? > Does it maybe belong to some port? > Any ideas? >=20 > Thanks The file is actually /usr/loal/etc/sudoers and is tied to = /usr/ports/security/sudo Install sudo from there and you automagically get the man page. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:05:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFFE6B6 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85102A15 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C65433C58; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id C204B39829; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: budsz Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:05:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (budsz's message of "Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:28:53 +0700") Message-ID: <44txnw6d66.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:05:50 -0000 budsz writes: > I want ask about error in `dmesg` output "remove Bump sched buckets to > 64 (was 0)" > in FreeBSD 8.3 STABLE version. Where's the code lines should be remove (safety)? That message isn't in RELENG_9, so I can't give you details. It's probably resizing a dummynet queue, so it's likely to be in one of the c files in /usr/src/sys/netpfil/ipfw/. Removing the print statment is *probably* safe, but will leave you with less information if something actually goes wrong with allocating buckets the next time you add a new queue. Or you could update to something more recent, where that specific message isn't present at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:24:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2DAABA for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB4AAF0 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m17so7552144oag.26 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hcsfKE3mQUFAsxPyCxC8Jdit6F5eYIFMXPvU7gXTbMM=; b=AH0Hez2DJmQ6JEnkSQAZs0cv3EYA2wrvyET9J52IfkkaYD7y21l55ITqkiOgdscgkj HZM7zkH8eOk8FAY3QdEz0nUCmdVFdiqpNVVd+M7A6u62o+hh7Ham0hCYLJ+KC0MKmomp W+sKosUDuSLqqKAKoLJEXAbex4t2Kgs2Q4HfTb/uIYk2AS/lSQTF5bzYKE7xatfK5U6N p0zu1nMPhFra/enojg/HveyWg+B8VOJDMdwA9EnScbRwhO1I2v0YVK1xZMunI48Af2Re 4/1Yj1FZHipfqVtg0CyfmeTlgtYxaLeez5BLAAu9S+xCsjKPu9BawEsVgidSdHyVRuMk aHIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.172.84 with SMTP id ba20mr15198396oec.10.1364401455723; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.174.67 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:24:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: any 9.1-RELEASE-p1 to 10.0-CURRENT howtos? From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:24:16 -0000 Dear folks, On one of my machines I cannot get it to update ports, most fail with gettext. I tried some options like disabling Native Language Support in binutils, but it still fails. I deleted all the ports and am looking at starting from scratch again, but this time move to CLANG and build world and install world and not USE gcc and GNU anymore (on the machine which gettext fails). Is there a nice howto as to how to do this? How can it be done in easy steps and then try to track current? I am aware that I would be on my own if I track current, but I want to test many programs to see if they would build without GCC and with CLANG only and report back to the developers and let them know of issues. Thanks, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:30:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C69FCB0 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x22d.google.com (mail-bk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ED4B3F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j10so1169378bkw.32 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:30:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pf9DCu7d4CyrED77oGcvIjuwTlIaNWOKRCSWiTpx9Iw=; b=kqf+45WI4Tq0Iac4JeNnoyIgS+18etp7/ge+Qh9zfSFQAa9u9GwdXHs4cFjlmduWbR daNQqufF5moE7dYO2GfYAfCNtn6EJOpdViU8NLZxkB288veUypESjnE0vwsb//Xo6JvQ yMvHQcu3/5xZUIzKnCyHmTUGlkWiaSxo/+ztbxzVSEk5yPEg1Wxkt+i7T/8gRN2XmBUG KhftglbQmCsm3C6PV4uexCdyC+BsuJeagYjRarMc9GVNccsd6poWMUt09audPBcBViUF ZzOr8+qDJnaXjccoxQLq81146h6u59UWYCnnR9Mm9bKjkltCZniUjnL8XHHsAK+Q404B sQjA== X-Received: by 10.204.170.202 with SMTP id e10mr9985323bkz.41.1364401812023; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([91.196.229.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fy17sm5411998bkc.6.2013.03.27.09.30.10 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51531E91.7000306@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:30:09 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loic Capdeville Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> In-Reply-To: <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:30:13 -0000 2013-03-27 15:33, Loic Capdeville wrote: > On 27/03/2013 14:27, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >> 2013-03-27 15:06, Loic Capdeville wrote: >>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth: >>> >>> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >>> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >>> ../Pygments-1.5-py2.7.egg >>> ../Babel-0.9.6-py2.7.egg >>> ../MarkupSafe-0.15-py2.7-freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-amd64.egg >>> ../Jinja2-2.6-py2.7.egg >>> ../Sphinx-1.1.3-py2.7.egg >>> ../virtualenv-1.9.1-py2.7.egg >>> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >>> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >>> p+len(new) >>> >>> >>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist: >>> >>> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >>> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >>> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >>> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >>> p+len(new) >> >> Looks like py-distribute is not installed at all. >> >> what was the outcome of "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute >> devel/py-setuptools"? Can you try running that again? >> > > It hasn't printed anything since the first time I tried to run it... > and still print nothing. So here is a main problem. If it prints nothing it doesn't work. Do you have portupgrade or portmaster installed? Did it yield at least one line? Some errors? If it doesn't that's surely a sign that something is going wrong. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:31:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6DFD58 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x231.google.com (mail-la0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93801B5A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs13so16021463lab.36 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=MO0cjvEp3aDW8OAxwjWyasHjCJjUuqr6nf0+Zi6/EZw=; b=t/cKjw7/Ki/du0nADuqdLqqqXM9GCe8eCOuPCpgVWcyX4A0iY/nHbSY/Tu0sBUEma4 yFhtQsY34swZUulb3QX45IFGGkZ61pgWRc0qWiS+z4UysjTDKUW2lmZG50ZFI16nMvx/ mv8SYMr5El6wxNLwzGKiX/dxe6IDOmwJnv35DzJ7oLSf6Tek059OmY8t3CuaVI1Ion9h Z56XOlAHjX+cIyKJfheU+G5klC3dO0kzd7Fjq6ceryOVNYDoppNeFeLFnzH/UbF78Pxg s7wWJOpU8L+knePT3QLkvgK32gz/yNIxquSDKBtS8nPSmi/NbZKqIWopP5dYnthi92Sk y5Fw== X-Received: by 10.112.155.67 with SMTP id vu3mr6096030lbb.109.1364401906441; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.169 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:31:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:31:06 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem To: Leonardo Santagostini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:31:48 -0000 On 27 March 2013 16:29, Leonardo Santagostini wrote: > Hello all. > > I have a latitude e6400 with FreeBSD Release 9.1. And i can't get the USB > modem working. > > I tried with umodem, u3g but no luck :( > [snip] > ugen7.2: at usbus7 > ugen7.2: at usbus7 (disconnected) > ugen7.2: at usbus7 > umodem0: on usbus7 > umodem0: data interface 0, has no CM over data, has no break > umodem1: on usbus7 > umodem1: data interface 1, has no CM over data, has no break > umodem2: on usbus7 > umodem2: data interface 2, has no CM over data, has no break > umass0: on usbus7 > umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 > umass0:9:0:-1: Attached to scbus9 > cd1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 0 > cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd1: 40.000MB/s transfers > cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > umass1: on usbus7 > umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 > umass1:10:1:-1: Attached to scbus10 > da0 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > [snip] Huawei modem, as I can see. That should be easy. Connect to the modem through HyperTerminal or Putty on a different machine Issue the command: AT^U2DIAG=0 That should disable the virtual CD-ROM and FreeBSD will see the modem. Here are some commands you'll need to know about: Do you have a Windows PC near you? If you plug the device into it and the virtualCD pops up, then it means command was not successful. The fact that fake CD still shows means command did not succeed! AT^u2diag=0 (all off) AT^u2diag=1 (CD on, SD off) AT^u2diag=256 (CD off, SD is on) AT^u2diag=255 (all on - including SD Card) AT^u2diag=276 (Factory Reset) A+CLAC - Display all available commands. However it does not tell you how to use them And here is a working ppp.conf - but you need to change the *bolded* values to match your end of the environment:) u3g: set device */dev/cuaU0.0* set server /var/run/3g-internet "" 0177 set speed 921600 set timeout 0 set authname *saf* set authkey *data* set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sTIMEOUT 2 \ \"\" \ AT OK-AT-OK \ AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ AT+CMEE=2 OK-AT-OK \ AT+CSQ OK \ AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"*APN*\\\" OK \ ATD**99#* CONNECT" set crtscts on disable vjcomp disable acfcomp disable deflate disable deflate24 disable pred1 disable protocomp disable mppe disable ipv6cp disable lqr disable echo #nat enable yes enable dns resolv writable set dns 8.8.8.8 set ifaddr 10.1.0.2/0 10.1.0.1/0 255.255.255.255 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR # See ppp.link* Lemme know if you get stuck. Also, always give details about modem - manufacturer, model... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:37:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BD2E43 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lolox-freebsd@lolox.net) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:17c5::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D3BEC for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C52C7F41A; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:38:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lolox.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=lolox; t=1364402322; bh=9Z3S+w2y0f4qOWXCWH1hA9mJakZ9VD0EoOwdLHNBnMQ=; b=HPwO01Tt/iur JVF1QcSoTM9thReKpU4aDeqk67dqz2pYTbaxqoPlfFF9sw3e3d1MwrpQl/EIbQsF 8/IinVwDT6QGi+j01pnUT4/HjqQp/newXP99hRriA0haekzckp7HyGVNl/MW/Zpw VruRP/9Q3KMd1RcYR55mUSCrKDVPPS0= X-Virus-Scanned: Mailstorm at lolox.net Received: from altenberg.lolox.net ([127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (altenberg.lolox.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ez5E0lg08pfj; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:38:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from orkher.lolox.net (ANancy-555-1-130-211.w92-161.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.161.202.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lolox@lolox.net) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F8707F314; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:38:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5153204C.6080905@lolox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:37:32 +0100 From: Loic Capdeville User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> <51531E91.7000306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51531E91.7000306@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:37:18 -0000 On 27/03/2013 17:30, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 2013-03-27 15:33, Loic Capdeville wrote: >> On 27/03/2013 14:27, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >>> 2013-03-27 15:06, Loic Capdeville wrote: >>>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth: >>>> >>>> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >>>> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >>>> ../Pygments-1.5-py2.7.egg >>>> ../Babel-0.9.6-py2.7.egg >>>> ../MarkupSafe-0.15-py2.7-freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-amd64.egg >>>> ../Jinja2-2.6-py2.7.egg >>>> ../Sphinx-1.1.3-py2.7.egg >>>> ../virtualenv-1.9.1-py2.7.egg >>>> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >>>> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >>>> p+len(new) >>>> >>>> >>>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/easy-install.pth.dist: >>>> >>>> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >>>> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >>>> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >>>> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >>>> p+len(new) >>> >>> Looks like py-distribute is not installed at all. >>> >>> what was the outcome of "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute >>> devel/py-setuptools"? Can you try running that again? >>> >> >> It hasn't printed anything since the first time I tried to run it... >> and still print nothing. > > So here is a main problem. If it prints nothing it doesn't work. > > Do you have portupgrade or portmaster installed? Did it yield at least > one line? Some errors? If it doesn't that's surely a sign that something > is going wrong. > I use portupgrade regularly to upgrade my ports, and usually everything goes right. If fails only with that particular operation (or these portupgrade options) Do I have to install "devel/py-distribute" separately, or should the "portupgrade -fo" command do everything itself (uninstall py-setuptools and install py-distribute) ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:43:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0360C5AF for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x22c.google.com (mail-bk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::22c]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90269CEA for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id jk13so1195946bkc.31 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:43:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8NuiNCXlPDXOcWXkZHAA3SJ7zYoZXWVaOgfTXRniEMY=; b=k37dKl1tS/Z9Tz6ZmZUJZOx1ns81qO0guZ5bFOB/tynLw5h2ZJDSZCBWTcuXrpzMsh gIvoTY3Y5bupI7HqsnBALypmG3H2oOfY0qSTTLr1J5CdApPNVmj1tvFnlBYvTpYbSHxu wWa3RcY7C5XJoJ1eanRcykR2oYTXLKCG1zvl/bXMchyGKB5QUjvvt+2mg+KnExArMBPp xReywsB1FCjLgA26Y1kDNfVv8CXr8fG8DDqyzVc5ikHVjmzEYN5lPwo9++5crvy851ly 7N9qh2MMZu4ZMcMmGCqUfqsTXTpuBcgH2c0pd/FYVA99a/RKEihfdAagvjgR6hH3Ps/c 39Cg== X-Received: by 10.204.184.193 with SMTP id cl1mr10496428bkb.17.1364402610744; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([91.196.229.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge12sm5419142bkc.19.2013.03.27.09.43.29 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <515321B0.4020900@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:43:28 +0200 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loic Capdeville Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> <51531E91.7000306@gmail.com> <5153204C.6080905@lolox.net> In-Reply-To: <5153204C.6080905@lolox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:43:32 -0000 2013-03-27 18:37, Loic Capdeville wrote: >>>>> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >>>>> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >>>>> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >>>>> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >>>>> p+len(new) >>>> >>>> Looks like py-distribute is not installed at all. >>>> >>>> what was the outcome of "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute >>>> devel/py-setuptools"? Can you try running that again? >>>> >>> >>> It hasn't printed anything since the first time I tried to run it... >>> and still print nothing. >> >> So here is a main problem. If it prints nothing it doesn't work. >> >> Do you have portupgrade or portmaster installed? Did it yield at least >> one line? Some errors? If it doesn't that's surely a sign that something >> is going wrong. >> > I use portupgrade regularly to upgrade my ports, and usually everything > goes right. > If fails only with that particular operation (or these portupgrade options) > Do I have to install "devel/py-distribute" separately, or should the > "portupgrade -fo" command do everything itself (uninstall py-setuptools > and install py-distribute) ? This command should forcefully deintsall second package and replace it with first one. I'm not using portupgrade, I switched to portmaster long time ago so I can't help you with it. If you want to make the switch by hand I think you should: pkg_delete -f py27-setuptools-0.6c11_3 # now write down the whole list of dependent packages cd /usr/ports/devel/py-distribute ; make install clean portupgrade -f ..list of packages that require setuptools.. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 16:47:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD706A5 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62282D31 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.137] (helo=smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKtVJ-000238-Qr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:47:13 +0100 Received: from 5419839c.cm-5-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.131.156] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKtVJ-0007tX-I4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:47:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.13.35] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F50539856 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:46:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5153227F.6050405@boosten.org> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:46:55 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> <51531E91.7000306@gmail.com> <5153204C.6080905@lolox.net> In-Reply-To: <5153204C.6080905@lolox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 2013.0.2904 [2641/6206] X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: -0.4 X-Ziggo-spamreport: BAYES_00=-1.9, CM_META_TB_NOARR=0.5, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:47:21 -0000 On 27-3-2013 17:37, Loic Capdeville wrote: >> > I use portupgrade regularly to upgrade my ports, and usually everything > goes right. > If fails only with that particular operation (or these portupgrade options) > Do I have to install "devel/py-distribute" separately, or should the > "portupgrade -fo" command do everything itself (uninstall py-setuptools > and install py-distribute) ? I had some problems with this one as well. I eventually ended up by pkg_deleting -f the package, delete manually some file portinstall complaints about, and after that it worked. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ----- Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 2013.0.2904 / Virusdatabase: 2641/6206 - datum van uitgifte: 03/26/13 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 17:02:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9425ACAA for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CE5E2D for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKtkZ-0001pH-Ob for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:02:59 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:02:59 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:02:59 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: line lengths in /etc/hosts Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <5152b48c.U+MyuQ85COeWB4wW%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:02:39 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:57:48 -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > Is there a limit on line length in FreeBSD's /etc/hosts? > > I'm not finding any mention of such a limit in hosts(5), but characters > beyond the first 660 or so seem to be ignored. > > To answer the inevitable followup "why would anyone need such a long > line in /etc/hosts": > > With this line in /etc/nsswitch.conf > > hosts: files dns > > I can easily suppress access to unwanted web sites by adding names to > the localhost line in /etc/hosts, like this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain bad1.com bad2.com ... > > My version of that line has gotten rather long :) $ tail -20 /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 r1.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 simg.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 ss1.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 ss2.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 ss7.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 xads.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 yads.zedo.com 127.0.0.1 www.zedo.com #[Adware.RaxSearch] 127.0.0.1 c1.zxxds.net #[g1.panthercdn.com] 127.0.0.1 c7.zxxds.net # [Zero Lag][AS20093][67.201.0.0 - 67.201.63.255] 127.0.0.1 ads.namiflow.com 127.0.0.1 adunit.namiflow.com # [Zero Lag][AS20093][68.71.240.0 - 68.71.255.255] 127.0.0.1 rt.udmserve.net # [Zero Lag][AS20093][72.37.216.0 - 72.37.217.255] 127.0.0.1 www.stickylogic.com 127.0.0.1 www.winadiscount.com #[Dr.Web.Adware.Xbarre] 127.0.0.1 www.winaproduct.com # [end of entries generated by MVPS HOSTS] $ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 18:12:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0966FC25 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-x22e.google.com (mail-vb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7057273 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 11so755288vbe.19 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rok3WVQHDstefbQ5lhkKbGeDSvxMpnem/fEBHPs1NPc=; b=a8WD/PjC1oSQOG2IneNpG8Rpom4OisvRUOAoKPhPYMRTuLinXvaZTjwLavrwOjC1RM fDrGsP5fRV2rz5smo4Sb00VjasqkF/nGdePRKpLmK4rV7ftAk6uk5eDWAy1ZS6oR7e6M IcaWUYFEbdwD9qlvyF5xF2jWweICTfQupwHoXpE/dv5UA/d0Yw1YOgS3AF7HljXGgbnP a5EVxiPR0ztLjnpgDdICjabhV/NHh3P359QPPuvdsMqpsEkiijExUfp4kyrvPcrOZ4bo ofLLJWV4iT4879mch8HvaFwFTadiVgKV+1AEmT9iNbUVDoJixfiN0y/BGp0utI31WU1e 1Ojg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.214.231 with SMTP id od7mr24410928vec.44.1364407926812; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.7 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: OT: The future of USENET? From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:12:08 -0000 Usenet was great. 'Was' because it really isn't there anymore. Servers used to be widespread, you could use your ISP, your school, your work, and failing that plenty of free ones even if for the asking, even some public/open ones. Now there are very few, if any, free servers and likely none are public/open for obvious reasons. Post 2000 Web 2.0 and those eyeballs destroyed usenet. They are the idiot mass and they demanded to only see the world through their browser window. And when usenet died off, so did the long running text only archive servers, taking decades of human knowledge with them. Vanished. Just the same as web forums do when they vanish. Google's 'group' archive doesn't count, they're a corporation, they wrapped it in web 2.0, they don't care, it will die. The bandwidth cost, piracy and porn was just as damning as web 2.0. The former caused the formal ISP/school/work support to die. The latter stole the eyeballs. Back then you had to have brains to be on the net, now everyone is web 2.0, and they're satisfied with ridiculous web forums. Any brains today are all but forced to use them because the population is so slim anywhere else. Usenet has suffered its generational penalty. Usenet is still viable long term as a free/donation service, as is irc, if operators do not carry the binary groups. Its new hope lies with the opensource, hackerspace, anonymous, and related communities of all sorts. As a giant distributed mailing list, it's an awesome service that these communities really should look at more closely. Its future is up to you... will you run a server and list it as a communication method (even primary) for your project, or not? Will you donate a server to the public, or not? FreeBSD related... it would be really nice if someone would shim the FreeBSD forum to cause every post to be copied out to a set of FreeBSD mailing lists. So the efficient/interested among us could at least read, search and archive them without being forced to waste time with the web interface. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 20:09:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12D4700 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-x233.google.com (mail-ia0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96732D34 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x24so7613731iak.38 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:09:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=G8EMxofLeK2YfGwheAwo8toKI7WDDydYpOufUa9m3dg=; b=SqwgU+lgL4MiR21pH12JEap/KEA98T8HoDUAGHVe4zwuowPRBD4bKgc1DsbnqZNzM4 UtM8/rLzuqZpP3QoSXgT43s9K3Vz31yjTdK3Ns9vEt74OuCLDv47L8+U4t+HFCb6y6cx JLJ3wLBiQ/f/VsQKfLc/GwjR1E+8q83eOc3uAwwA/fJ/Jj79mMaOcH1zGmF5X18gv1qI 5L3xK5Gu5gq3Y6+Tv1p7CKtHXzE+BnGeBzaMSws+Q8ivYwhZ634cFC1M0HeMApZv4TgA 9JajC6+OsiXaH1Jw73+AHeSeGrdDjqf6ku3MvT0M2v9JRqfj3CNAZ8U8lOY2+Vnp8+qp TZSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.209.4 with SMTP id mi4mr5228326igc.40.1364414963044; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.65 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:09:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Odhiambo Washington Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:09:23 -0000 Hello Odhiambo . The 3G model is Huawei E173 with Movistar Argentina. Ive tried but i cant see in windows de USB port to have a serial link :( Saludos / Regards Leonardo Santagostini 2013/3/27 Odhiambo Washington > > On 27 March 2013 16:29, Leonardo Santagostini wrote: > >> Hello all. >> >> I have a latitude e6400 with FreeBSD Release 9.1. And i can't get the USB >> modem working. >> >> I tried with umodem, u3g but no luck :( >> > > [snip] > > >> ugen7.2: at usbus7 >> ugen7.2: at usbus7 (disconnected) >> ugen7.2: at usbus7 >> umodem0: on >> usbus7 >> umodem0: data interface 0, has no CM over data, has no break >> umodem1: on >> usbus7 >> umodem1: data interface 1, has no CM over data, has no break >> umodem2: on >> usbus7 >> umodem2: data interface 2, has no CM over data, has no break >> umass0: on usbus7 >> umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 >> umass0:9:0:-1: Attached to scbus9 >> cd1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 0 >> cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device >> cd1: 40.000MB/s transfers >> cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> umass1: on usbus7 >> umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 >> umass1:10:1:-1: Attached to scbus10 >> da0 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 >> da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device >> da0: 40.000MB/s transfers >> da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> > > > [snip] > > Huawei modem, as I can see. That should be easy. > > Connect to the modem through HyperTerminal or Putty on a different machine > Issue the command: AT^U2DIAG=0 > That should disable the virtual CD-ROM and FreeBSD will see the modem. > > Here are some commands you'll need to know about: > Do you have a Windows PC near you? If you plug the device into it and the > virtualCD pops up, then it means command was not successful. The fact that > fake CD still shows means command did not succeed! > > AT^u2diag=0 (all off) > AT^u2diag=1 (CD on, SD off) > AT^u2diag=256 (CD off, SD is on) > AT^u2diag=255 (all on - including SD Card) > AT^u2diag=276 (Factory Reset) > A+CLAC - Display all available commands. However it does not tell you how > to use them > > > > And here is a working ppp.conf - but you need to change the *bolded* values > to match your end of the environment:) > > u3g: > set device */dev/cuaU0.0* > set server /var/run/3g-internet "" 0177 > set speed 921600 > set timeout 0 > set authname *saf* > set authkey *data* > set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sTIMEOUT 2 \ > \"\" \ > AT OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CMEE=2 OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CSQ OK \ > AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"*APN*\\\" OK \ > ATD**99#* CONNECT" > set crtscts on > disable vjcomp > disable acfcomp > disable deflate > disable deflate24 > disable pred1 > disable protocomp > disable mppe > disable ipv6cp > disable lqr > disable echo > #nat enable yes > enable dns > resolv writable > set dns 8.8.8.8 > set ifaddr 10.1.0.2/0 10.1.0.1/0 255.255.255.255 0.0.0.0 > add default HISADDR # See ppp.link* > > > Lemme know if you get stuck. > > Also, always give details about modem - manufacturer, model... > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 20:18:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27406865 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDABD9B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id eb20so16489205lab.31 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=ryW+nAsTJOuYW3kdPPP0Z7PqDgkSXucUOr7Xru1T8Mc=; b=kCqFveWo+PsGKp2yNpBDRiQamAmA9T3qJFRK5O6Dy/8HKvtl6JEolO8M5mlKz8+gp2 qMaJF+PobXhawkGjlpzLeVzsQ4u/uJ0SyNFZkeo+S8l7zDzbs346hBolXNAyz5/s+1B5 dTiBTdKJbnbf6K4zC8Oo3Ydoelp0OYn6HFWa3D36u2ncdwyg0krvufrii06oibj7RpRL mdzLdIb44prqNnN32Y6wijvby6q4MQXbreLzvBqD3SEXzX6o1orF4QBnIGR2nZdyd4BQ fH5MwtameCQPU7A2pCUqw+A9PkFEi7HTH3qiD+f3UIOCi3jXQyKm+jkwIjVGb4uhLI8+ PLCA== X-Received: by 10.112.10.138 with SMTP id i10mr10977774lbb.24.1364415488827; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.169 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:17:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:17:28 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem To: Leonardo Santagostini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:18:11 -0000 On Windows, install the modem drivers and make it usable. Then connect to the port on which it is installed using putty or HyperTerminal. I am hoping you know how to do that. Then type the commands: at^u2diag=0 atz Disconnect modem and connect to FreeBSD. You will see the modem correctly identified and connected to a port. On Windows, when you go to Hardware->Device Manager, look at the Serial ports available. One of them MUST be the one the modem is using! On 27 March 2013 23:09, Leonardo Santagostini wrote: > Hello Odhiambo . > > The 3G model is Huawei E173 with Movistar Argentina. > > Ive tried but i cant see in windows de USB port to have a serial link :( > > Saludos / Regards > Leonardo Santagostini > > > > > > 2013/3/27 Odhiambo Washington > >> >> On 27 March 2013 16:29, Leonardo Santagostini wrote: >> >>> Hello all. >>> >>> I have a latitude e6400 with FreeBSD Release 9.1. And i can't get the USB >>> modem working. >>> >>> I tried with umodem, u3g but no luck :( >>> >> >> [snip] >> >> >>> ugen7.2: at usbus7 >>> ugen7.2: at usbus7 (disconnected) >>> ugen7.2: at usbus7 >>> umodem0: on >>> usbus7 >>> umodem0: data interface 0, has no CM over data, has no break >>> umodem1: on >>> usbus7 >>> umodem1: data interface 1, has no CM over data, has no break >>> umodem2: on >>> usbus7 >>> umodem2: data interface 2, has no CM over data, has no break >>> umass0: on >>> usbus7 >>> umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 >>> umass0:9:0:-1: Attached to scbus9 >>> cd1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 0 >>> cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device >>> cd1: 40.000MB/s transfers >>> cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >>> umass1: on >>> usbus7 >>> umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0000 >>> umass1:10:1:-1: Attached to scbus10 >>> da0 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 >>> da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device >>> da0: 40.000MB/s transfers >>> da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >>> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> Huawei modem, as I can see. That should be easy. >> >> Connect to the modem through HyperTerminal or Putty on a different machine >> Issue the command: AT^U2DIAG=0 >> That should disable the virtual CD-ROM and FreeBSD will see the modem. >> >> Here are some commands you'll need to know about: >> Do you have a Windows PC near you? If you plug the device into it and the >> virtualCD pops up, then it means command was not successful. The fact that >> fake CD still shows means command did not succeed! >> >> AT^u2diag=0 (all off) >> AT^u2diag=1 (CD on, SD off) >> AT^u2diag=256 (CD off, SD is on) >> AT^u2diag=255 (all on - including SD Card) >> AT^u2diag=276 (Factory Reset) >> A+CLAC - Display all available commands. However it does not tell you how >> to use them >> >> >> >> And here is a working ppp.conf - but you need to change the *bolded* values >> to match your end of the environment:) >> >> u3g: >> set device */dev/cuaU0.0* >> set server /var/run/3g-internet "" 0177 >> set speed 921600 >> set timeout 0 >> set authname *saf* >> set authkey *data* >> set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sTIMEOUT 2 \ >> \"\" \ >> AT OK-AT-OK \ >> AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ >> AT+CMEE=2 OK-AT-OK \ >> AT+CSQ OK \ >> AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"*APN*\\\" OK \ >> ATD**99#* CONNECT" >> set crtscts on >> disable vjcomp >> disable acfcomp >> disable deflate >> disable deflate24 >> disable pred1 >> disable protocomp >> disable mppe >> disable ipv6cp >> disable lqr >> disable echo >> #nat enable yes >> enable dns >> resolv writable >> set dns 8.8.8.8 >> set ifaddr 10.1.0.2/0 10.1.0.1/0 255.255.255.255 0.0.0.0 >> add default HISADDR # See ppp.link* >> >> >> Lemme know if you get stuck. >> >> Also, always give details about modem - manufacturer, model... >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> > > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 20:26:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32118B30 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7876E07 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKwvD-0006E3-8x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:26:11 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:26:11 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:26:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:26:02 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:06 -0400, grarpamp wrote: > Now there are very few, if any, free servers There are still free news servers available. My ISP bundles usenet, nevertheless I prefer the free one as it's faster and more reliable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 20:34:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD128F1C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9F2E9A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.139.191] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKx3e-0005yS-Cv; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:34:55 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2RKYnCA001438; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:34:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id r2RKYlkN001436; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:34:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:34:47 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Leonardo Santagostini Subject: Re: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem Message-ID: <20130327203446.GA1414@tiny.Sisis.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.139.191 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:34:58 -0000 El día Wednesday, March 27, 2013 a las 05:09:22PM -0300, Leonardo Santagostini escribió: > Hello Odhiambo . > > The 3G model is Huawei E173 with Movistar Argentina. > > Ive tried but i cant see in windows de USB port to have a serial link :( > > Saludos / Regards > Leonardo Santagostini Hi, Pls check if this E173 card is supported by the /sys/dev/usb/serial/u3g.c driver; figure out the vendorID and productID of this card and check if it is in the driver to attach to; I own an E220 and an E1750 Huawei card, both are just working fine without any tricks. matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - Never being an iSlave WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments, no HTML/RTF in E-mail phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 20:37:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C83FE8 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1A6EBF for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a11so10466360iee.39 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H7jfzES0cUBPNSQFXJgS5zmGEcU5+pYTsHMtSpFlsYU=; b=U5lSQcGYzuTMAl6w38siIBdso7ZpNfI1xJomq6Fzvfufs1INDu48hFp/YUQbDQN/HS GQ97QI3qD2yj8cROzeHSggrgWI39soZlY86grYIcjpK2mkenXqMKPoBjljxgfUP7+Ukd 1kbWU6BMYf/WT+EaD9RpSlvbTqgDpFBeTRtP72dbSHy7u7r3Ly4y6R/riBnoHxsd3RbO v86q+OiZVjHAQUARyIGRwEVQHAU8AiA5IdL9AdOvuOnmNZrQGl9tf25CWVkie6DniBm3 dO8/CMnGfqtjy1s59ZCz3em+AgepK9vu/5HrMy7vIYKuY6wIbAeHso43DhVo22Hebx4x Cf7A== X-Received: by 10.50.13.175 with SMTP id i15mr5513181igc.75.1364416666344; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (c-98-212-197-211.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm7713027igm.9.2013.03.27.13.37.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51535897.3000901@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:37:43 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:37:46 -0000 On 3/27/2013 3:25 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:06 -0400, grarpamp wrote: > >> Now there are very few, if any, free servers > > There are still free news servers available. My ISP bundles usenet, > nevertheless I prefer the free one as it's faster and more reliable. > The last ISP I knew had usenet complained about the bandwidth and storage required. They had a dedicated satellite instead of using their backbone, and only cached a couple days. All the porn and warez has the side affect of wiping out the cost benefit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 20:55:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FB8738 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B813F86 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C3E33C65; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 581F339829; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Antonio Olivares Subject: Re: any 9.1-RELEASE-p1 to 10.0-CURRENT howtos? References: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:55:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Antonio Olivares's message of "Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:24:15 -0500") Message-ID: <44mwto5zre.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:55:23 -0000 Antonio Olivares writes: > On one of my machines I cannot get it to update ports, most fail with > gettext. I tried some options like disabling Native Language Support > in binutils, but it still fails. I deleted all the ports and am > looking at starting from scratch again, but this time move to CLANG > and build world and install world and not USE gcc and GNU anymore (on > the machine which gettext fails). Is there a nice howto as to how to > do this? > How can it be done in easy steps and then try to track current? Current isn't necessary, although it often has slightly newer versions of the related tools. Clang will work fine on recent 9.x (I don't know when it was imported, so it may need something more recent than 9.1). Furthermore, it will support building the world and ports, as detailed in: https://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang > I am aware that I would be on my own if I track current, but I want to > test many programs to see if they would build without GCC and with > CLANG only and report back to the developers and let them know of > issues. You are not entirely on your own with current, but you are expected to more of the heavy lifting when a problem comes up that doesn't happen for other people. You actually have a number of choices that should work for you. You can run current, which probably won't be very difficult (but nobody's going to guarantee that). You can run RELENG_9 using clang as the default compiler. Or you could use a jail to build with clang when the host system builds with gcc. And I've most likely overlooked other possibilities. If you are really starting from scratch on a particular machine, then a clean install is worth considering; it guarantees that you're not bringing along the effects of mistakes made previously on the system. If the system is also needed stable for other purposes, then doing your experiments in a jail may be your easiest path (a jail may even be overkill; a chroot will handle it for some purposes). Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 21:19:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E915C129 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC104169 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1533AE43 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:19:44 -0000 I've never used any FreeBSD memstick image before, but now I have reason to do so. I'm reading the instructions for creating a bootable memstick that are located on this page: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html which include the following example of how to perform the copy: # dd if=FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=10240 conv=sync Question: Why exactly is "conv=sync" is there? Also, in practice what does it actually do? (I've used dd plenty in my lifetime, but never found any reason to use conv= at all. I always thought that it was... mostly... just an archaic leftover from the days when some big iron used EBCDIC that needed to get converted to ASCII or vise versa.) The dd man page describes the "sync" type of "conversion" thusly: "Pad every input block to the input buffer size. Spaces are used for pad bytes if a block oriented conversion value is specified, otherwise NUL bytes are used." Ummm... ok. WTF is a "block oriented conversion value"? How would I know if I had specified one? Question: Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there? Wouldn't the default of 512 do just as well? Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 21:20:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDE01FC for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDEF181 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.139.191] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKxlS-0000kC-1z; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:20:10 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2RLK7Bc001601; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:20:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id r2RLK6Ck001600; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:20:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:20:05 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Joshua Isom Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? Message-ID: <20130327212004.GA1571@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <51535897.3000901@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51535897.3000901@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.139.191 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:20:13 -0000 El día Wednesday, March 27, 2013 a las 03:37:43PM -0500, Joshua Isom escribió: > The last ISP I knew had usenet complained about the bandwidth and > storage required. They had a dedicated satellite instead of using their > backbone, and only cached a couple days. All the porn and warez has the > side affect of wiping out the cost benefit. I'm using since some years http://www.aioe.org/ which has no binary groups (i.e. no porn or warez) and a cache of 25 days. Just works. matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - Never being an iSlave WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments, no HTML/RTF in E-mail phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 21:41:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCAF1FB for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-x230.google.com (mail-ia0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB68E31E for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f176.google.com with SMTP id i1so7729128iaa.21 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:41:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qSNQ1Z9bP+7uhoxQFgfaXDoZCPD2yPflEcxnaQD4cAA=; b=msLYOqc8tjhMQ/cHCBpt8yUxoQGkd/OnZFmyN3gAPpJxGo10vzFmNv0N/ZvEYDBlFW KDQnqvG5bVfLskelOXNEfOCFjzZb6Yw7y+kT248w/YgVVfPjR7Y7wLRW4QFluDtmLvnU dhkNyt+/HFQFZTtajJVlGritE8V/3Hd08gph43Ka83jN72MiSUSGwfh28qx7eLlJt2vg X2fGwOtZKbdnl+euLcAgtzS3IK8Ndn8UDaxllAuf9Gzzev4BPgTOzxzYrtxwOf7zwiEm N/8SOmbxK2APGqySGVB9IuStHcQgcvpHuBGC3YuNHIEJNgy4rrxA+a/HzIT7aOMGIWs8 Rcww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.77.113 with SMTP id r17mr3244095igw.89.1364420464351; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.65 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:41:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130327203446.GA1414@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20130327203446.GA1414@tiny.Sisis.de> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:41:04 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:41:05 -0000 Hello Matthias, thanks for your response, Odhiambo was helping me with this modem with no luck. Tomorrow we will continuing trying to get this modem running. Thanks all, and thanks Odhiambo for all the support he is giving to get this piece working :) I really apreciate it !!! Saludos / Regards Leonardo Santagostini 2013/3/27 Matthias Apitz > El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, March 27, 2013 a las 05:09:22PM -0300, Leonardo > Santagostini escribi=C3=B3: > > > Hello Odhiambo . > > > > The 3G model is Huawei E173 with Movistar Argentina. > > > > Ive tried but i cant see in windows de USB port to have a serial link := ( > > > > Saludos / Regards > > Leonardo Santagostini > > Hi, > > Pls check if this E173 card is supported by the /sys/dev/usb/serial/u3g.c > driver; figure out the vendorID and productID of this card and check if > it is in the driver to attach to; I own an E220 and an E1750 Huawei card, > both are just working fine without any tricks. > > matthias > -- > Sent from my FreeBSD netbook > > Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like > Apple/Android > E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - Never being an iSlave > WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments, no HTML/RTF > in E-mail > phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 21:46:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090D02ED for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDA935A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [172.17.17.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2RLd8XC093364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:39:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2RLd8ph096208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:39:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2RLd89H096207; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:39:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:39:08 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive Message-ID: <20130327213908.GA5447@dan.emsphone.com> References: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.7 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (email2.allantgroup.com [172.17.19.78]); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:39:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on email2.allantgroup.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:46:21 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 27), Ronald F. Guilmette said: > I've never used any FreeBSD memstick image before, but now I have reason > to do so. > > I'm reading the instructions for creating a bootable memstick that are > located on this page: > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html > > which include the following example of how to perform the copy: > > # dd if=FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=10240 conv=sync > > Question: > > Why exactly is "conv=sync" is there? > > Question: > > Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there? Wouldn't the default of 512 > do just as well? It looks like someone just copied a dd commandline from somewhere else, maybe something to do with tar files (since tar defaults to a 10k blocksize when writing to tape). conv=sync isn't needed since the source file is already a multiple of the target device blocksize (512 bytes), and bs=64k would be much faster when writing to cheap flash devices like USB sticks since they don't have a write cache and individual writes are slowish. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 21:57:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127975AC for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from pigeon.clari.net.au (pigeon.clari.net.au [203.29.224.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1B95E8 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: danny@clari.net.au) by pigeon.clari.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B745DAC61C3 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:52:26 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <51536A01.6000005@clari.net.au> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:52:01 +1100 From: Daniel O'Callaghan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive References: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:57:44 -0000 On 28/03/2013 8:10 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Question: > > Why exactly is "conv=sync" is there? I found this on http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/dd.1.asp If you specified conv=sync and this input block is smaller than the specified input block size, dd pads it to the specified size with null bytes. When you also specify a block or unblock conversion, dd uses spaces instead of null bytes. So the last block of output gets padded with 0x00 at the end to fill the input block size (from bs=...) > Question: > > Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there? Wouldn't the default of 512 > do just as well? It would, but then you would have FILESIZE/512 reads and writes instead of FILESIZE/10240 reads and writes - 20 times more. The end result is the same, but the large bs makes the operation go faster. I routinely use bs=655360 simply because it is a big number divisible by 512, which I can easily remember. 512000 would do just as well, though... Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 22:40:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C9721C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58DC7D9 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKz18-0004tO-H7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:40:26 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:40:26 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:40:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <51535897.3000901@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:40:06 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:37:43 -0500, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 3/27/2013 3:25 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:06 -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> >>> Now there are very few, if any, free servers >> >> There are still free news servers available. My ISP bundles usenet, >> nevertheless I prefer the free one as it's faster and more reliable. >> >> > The last ISP I knew had usenet complained about the bandwidth and > storage required. They had a dedicated satellite instead of using their > backbone, and only cached a couple days. All the porn and warez has the > side affect of wiping out the cost benefit. I have no idea whether my usenet provider includes porn or warez groups, since I am interested in neither, so have not checked. All I know is that I use their service because it is free, reliable and fast. Actually, I read this list via the usenet group gmane.os.freebsd.questions, since I find that convenient. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 27 22:54:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9BD5DC for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9961879 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fs12so16713547lab.11 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=KJcS3n1n/tkS26G8Xjk3lram94Qyq9tWoqvW/IiMouM=; b=XrqwVcfwdCn7QdBydej+NVrS8oBU5tjolQcJ3NWIWPLpraazLRKuciJoGVncyNJumw /LXg9uHF7pLwkwyRL6dp3BLuJ0nYrEWPga2aObsyVurGsOoHKcn9Ou3IuExLLRYA94jA 1uNVkWGfGnAM23Tb5jGOed4ad7hdoNIxvAlH/UV2O++k5HJ0HBLQJiU3wab2thDZpUfD YbsvEr4712r/vh4PhFHxbhZZrTbooEpHy7hFyvxo/4T1onkfdDzbufrHMbLoBi2FgQFj Gg72SymNchpmXDmBnN2OZyGYxGKei5PKhbxnnySEiSAspjxfZeM5KOwZiL4F0wIbyKoG 0Aqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.69.75 with SMTP id c11mr11019836lbu.119.1364424838570; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.8.40 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.169.51] In-Reply-To: <51535897.3000901@gmail.com> References: <51535897.3000901@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:53:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Joshua Isom X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlHZE+LW67ApqNLMQHJXSzF9nkIlcV3WcvSTc09r5GYp33bI64PDCTFxMVTtCjdhlZuKHGp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:54:00 -0000 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 3/27/2013 3:25 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:06 -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> >> Now there are very few, if any, free servers >>> >> >> There are still free news servers available. My ISP bundles usenet, >> nevertheless I prefer the free one as it's faster and more reliable. >> >> > The last ISP I knew had usenet complained about the bandwidth and storage > required. If they carried alt.binaries.*, then yes: it was a legitimate concern. To carry those groups requires enormous bandwidth, and bandwidth costs money, a lot of money. Storage isn't really an issue though.., even with smallish retention periods of 60 days or so. That's what commercial Usenet providers a la Giganews are for: they have some very big pipes and the necessary storage infrastructure for many-years retention, and can pay for all this through their subscribers fees. I see no problems that regular ISPs dropped Usenet as part of their standard offering, as long as alternatives such as those Usenet providers are available for a couple of bucks per month to those who need them. > They had a dedicated satellite instead of using their backbone, and only > cached a couple days. All the porn and warez has the side affect of wiping > out the cost benefit. > -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 01:55:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F6282C for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C36ACF8B for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21054 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2013 01:55:10 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2013 01:55:10 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5153A2FD.8020804@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:55:09 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive References: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <6148.1364418621@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:55:17 -0000 > Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there? Wouldn't the default of 512 > do just as well? Modern systems can read and write far more than 512 bytes per operation. Sticking with 512 would work perfectly fine, but you'd be imposing an unnecessary bottleneck and the copy would be a lot slower overall. Whether 10K is optimal or not depends on the exact hardware you're messing with (it looks pretty low to me, I'd suggest more like 1M). ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 06:28:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17CB93E for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:28:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F1AAE6 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5ru-0006l4-1k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:59:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5rq-000DJr-Ds for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:59:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:59:16 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? Message-Id: <20130328055916.d80acbbc06db0c4f2761bcfd@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:28:14 -0000 On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:06 -0400 grarpamp wrote: > Usenet was great. 'Was' because it really isn't there anymore. > Servers used to be widespread, you could use your ISP, your school, > your work, and failing that plenty of free ones even if for the > asking, even some public/open ones. Now there are very few, if any, > free servers and likely none are public/open for obvious reason There are several free public USENET text servers (no binary groups), granted it's nothing like the days when every ISP ran one but there are still several about (eternal-september.com is one of the biggest). There are also a few low cost paid servers (individual.net stands out here). There is also a thriving business in paid for USENET binary service. > Post 2000 Web 2.0 and those eyeballs destroyed usenet. They are the > idiot mass and they demanded to only see the world through their > browser window. And when usenet died off, so did the long running > text only archive servers, taking decades of human knowledge with > them. Vanished. Just the same as web forums do when they vanish. > Google's 'group' archive doesn't count, they're a corporation, they > wrapped it in web 2.0, they don't care, it will die. USENET is not dead, and the Google archive is all that remains of the only large archive that ever existed deja-news. Granted it is a sad and almost useless remnant. > The bandwidth cost, piracy and porn was just as damning as web 2.0. > The former caused the formal ISP/school/work support to die. > The latter stole the eyeballs. Bandwidth piracy and porn problems are all in the binary groups which is why the remaining free USENET services are text only. What has stolen eyeballs from a lot of groups is the trolls and troll bots where some idiot has decided to make a group unusable. > Back then you had to have brains to be on the net, now everyone is > web 2.0, and they're satisfied with ridiculous web forums. Any > brains today are all but forced to use them because the population > is so slim anywhere else. Usenet has suffered its generational > penalty. Actually the web forums are no help in that respect because they've caused what was once a concentrated audience to fragment over a hundred web forums. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 06:45:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549924C2 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ACEEA8 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14803AE43; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Quartz Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive In-Reply-To: <5153A2FD.8020804@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: <14008.1364453112@server1.tristatelogic.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:45:18 -0000 In message <5153A2FD.8020804@sneakertech.com>, you wrote: > >> Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there? Wouldn't the default of 512 >> do just as well? > >Modern systems can read and write far more than 512 bytes per operation. >Sticking with 512 would work perfectly fine, but you'd be imposing an >unnecessary bottleneck and the copy would be a lot slower overall. >Whether 10K is optimal or not depends on the exact hardware you're >messing with (it looks pretty low to me, I'd suggest more like 1M). I agree. And 10 kibibytes is probably quite a bit less than optimal. I have filed the following PR: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431 Thank you for your reply. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 08:27:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69547ED3 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C6667B for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10859 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2013 08:27:43 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2013 08:27:43 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5153FEFF.4090305@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:27:43 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive References: <14008.1364453112@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <14008.1364453112@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:27:51 -0000 > I have filed the following PR: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431 Er, don't take my word for law: I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea for most systems, I'm not even sure if it's optimal for mine. I did a single test with three random values at different orders of magnitude and picked the fastest. I do think that 10k is probably way under the right value, but someone should do proper testing on a variety of hardware before changing all the docs. As for the conv=sync option, I'm not convinced it's necessary either way. I've dd'd zillions of images to various media over the years and have never specified a conv parameter and I've never had problems. I don't think modern systems really care what the end is padded with (provided nothing is corrupt of course). Someone with more experience would need to chime in on this. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 08:49:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7CF4F0 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from eris.bzerk.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:980:18dd:1:192:168:179:45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272B7DA for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eris.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eris.bzerk.org (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2S8mvoS065748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:48:58 GMT (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by eris.bzerk.org (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2S8mvT8065747; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:48:57 GMT (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) X-Authentication-Warning: eris.bzerk.org: bulk set sender to mail25@bzerk.org using -f Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:48:57 +0000 From: Ruben de Groot To: Antonio Olivares Subject: Re: gettext problem in FreeBSD 8.3 system hosed Message-ID: <20130328084857.GA65666@eris.bzerk.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AUTHD_RELAY, DEAR_SOMETHING autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eris.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (eris.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "illoai@gmail.com" , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:49:03 -0000 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 06:53:11AM -0500, Antonio Olivares typed: > Dear Sir, > > > > > As bapt@ hints: try rebuilding binutils without NLS. > > > > -- > > -- > > I have binutils installed without NLS. I ran make deinstall reinstall > inside /usr/ports/devel/binutils/ and it deinstalls and it fails to > reinstall because it depends on gettext :( Now I guess I am really in > trouble. Don't do make deinstall reinstall! Run make deinstall, than make config, disable the NLS option and then run make install. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 09:12:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95D5AA4 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A226292E for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UL8t7-0008L9-21 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:12:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UL8t3-000EPj-Nl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:12:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:12:45 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive Message-Id: <20130328091245.c5eecadea50b45f92e8363db@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5153FEFF.4090305@sneakertech.com> References: <14008.1364453112@server1.tristatelogic.com> <5153FEFF.4090305@sneakertech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:12:47 -0000 On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:27:43 -0400 Quartz wrote: > > > I have filed the following PR: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431 > > Er, don't take my word for law: I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea > for most systems, I'm not even sure if it's optimal for mine. I did a > single test with three random values at different orders of magnitude > and picked the fastest. I do think that 10k is probably way under the > right value, but someone should do proper testing on a variety of > hardware before changing all the docs. The 1M will work fine, it's way bigger than any physical write. In theory the performance should max out when the block size matches the maximum physical write size of the controller (often 64K), but that assumes zero read latency on the data feed so in practice larger block sizes help, but except for things like tape they don't help much once you pass the device/controller max write block size. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 10:32:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16089971 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6A7CCA for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BB43AEB5; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Quartz Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive In-Reply-To: <5153FEFF.4090305@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <19222.1364466721@server1.tristatelogic.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:32:06 -0000 In message <5153FEFF.4090305@sneakertech.com>, you wrote: > >> I have filed the following PR: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431 > >Er, don't take my word for law: I didn't. I won't. >I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea Any size which is an exact multiple of the physical block size for the target device should provide performance which is as good as it gets. I googled around and read various comments. Some of these kinds of devices have a physical block size of 64KiB. Some have 128KiB. Some have 256KiB. Some have 1MiB. For all of these devices, seting blocksize to 1MiB will provide optimal performance with at worst only a _relatively_ tiny waste of space. >As for the conv=sync option, I'm not convinced it's necessary either >way. Neither am I, but I would rather have it there, than not and take chances. It won't hurt anything, and it appears that it _may_ perhaps help. >I don't think modern systems really care what the end is padded with That wasn't my concern. My concern is that I personally do not know what the officially defined semantics are in cases where dd is asked to copy data in a specific input block size _and_ the actual data available from the input device doesn't perfectly fill up that last block. It is possible, I would guess, that dd may notice the EOF occuring before it has filled up an entire input buffer, and then just quit at that point, _without_ writing the partial last block to the output device. It seems to me that conv=sync is cheap insurance against this possibility. I have always been a belt and suspenders kind of guy. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 10:53:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7729EC11; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DEBD82; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (cpc15-sgyl30-2-0-cust460.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com [82.39.117.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2SAkMW6047086; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:46:22 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <51541F7D.7080807@ifdnrg.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:46:21 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Subject: gettext-0.18.1.1_1 fails to build under jail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:53:20 -0000 this port upgrades fine on the host system but not under a jail.. FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec 4 09:23:10 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 config.status: executing depfiles commands sed: 2: " s/^include inclu ...": unterminated substitute pattern sed: 1: "s/$(DEPDIR)/.deps .deps/g ": unescaped newline inside substitute pattern ./localename.c: In function '_nl_locale_name_thread_unsafe': ./localename.c:2607: error: 'locale_t' undeclared (first use in this function) ./localename.c:2607: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ./localename.c:2607: error: for each function it appears in.) ./localename.c:2607: error: expected ';' before 'thread_locale' ./localename.c:2608: error: 'thread_locale' undeclared (first use in this function) ./localename.c:2608: error: 'LC_GLOBAL_LOCALE' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1/gettext-runtime/intl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1/gettext-runtime. *** Error code 1 Stop in /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1/gettext-runtime. *** Error code 1 Stop in /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- High Specification Dedicated Servers from £100.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 12:30:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8DD80D for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lolox-freebsd@lolox.net) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:17c5::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3B3351 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from altenberg.lolox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7AC7F5AF; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:31:51 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lolox.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=lolox; t=1364473908; bh=YokwrTP65/aGTwQs0lzz6aYAfPEXUc9rO/zr96VJ7tU=; b=VZLcYROGv84M GJ8uQnGWW6bfXlHhS8rSPyAHyTQiOsO6Hji2d35kDjNtl9L8g3YZ8fRKjrG/nwzV k+GpDOLItXsFGQMH/aN/8rLD8E4U3btPrNcUjvbMgzrk2wgzXbby1e7BPiyAdPlW 41Py7bQG/nyQ9KEqFb7+7zk8pyXTjfc= X-Virus-Scanned: Mailstorm at lolox.net Received: from altenberg.lolox.net ([127.0.0.1]) by altenberg.lolox.net (altenberg.lolox.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id SUvQsnS8Fnby; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:31:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from orkher.lolox.net (ANancy-555-1-130-211.w92-161.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.161.202.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lolox@lolox.net) by altenberg.lolox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D5787F52E; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:31:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <515437ED.7030204@lolox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:30:37 +0100 From: Loic Capdeville User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Upgrade devel/py-setuptools References: <5152E47B.6080904@lolox.net> <5152EB33.4010009@gmail.com> <5152ED8B.8080408@lolox.net> <5152EEBC.20805@lolox.net> <5152F3AE.3010604@gmail.com> <5152F513.3040205@lolox.net> <51531E91.7000306@gmail.com> <5153204C.6080905@lolox.net> <515321B0.4020900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <515321B0.4020900@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:30:29 -0000 On 27/03/2013 17:43, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 2013-03-27 18:37, Loic Capdeville wrote: >>>>>> import sys; sys.__plen = len(sys.path) >>>>>> ../setuptools-0.6c11-py2.7.egg >>>>>> import sys; new=sys.path[sys.__plen:]; del sys.path[sys.__plen:]; >>>>>> p=getattr(sys,'__egginsert',0); sys.path[p:p]=new; sys.__egginsert = >>>>>> p+len(new) >>>>> >>>>> Looks like py-distribute is not installed at all. >>>>> >>>>> what was the outcome of "portupgrade -fo devel/py-distribute >>>>> devel/py-setuptools"? Can you try running that again? >>>>> >>>> >>>> It hasn't printed anything since the first time I tried to run it... >>>> and still print nothing. >>> >>> So here is a main problem. If it prints nothing it doesn't work. >>> >>> Do you have portupgrade or portmaster installed? Did it yield at least >>> one line? Some errors? If it doesn't that's surely a sign that something >>> is going wrong. >>> >> I use portupgrade regularly to upgrade my ports, and usually everything >> goes right. >> If fails only with that particular operation (or these portupgrade >> options) >> Do I have to install "devel/py-distribute" separately, or should the >> "portupgrade -fo" command do everything itself (uninstall py-setuptools >> and install py-distribute) ? > > This command should forcefully deintsall second package and replace it > with first one. I'm not using portupgrade, I switched to portmaster long > time ago so I can't help you with it. > > If you want to make the switch by hand I think you should: > > pkg_delete -f py27-setuptools-0.6c11_3 > # now write down the whole list of dependent packages > > cd /usr/ports/devel/py-distribute ; make install clean > portupgrade -f ..list of packages that require setuptools.. > If finally did it by hand. Note: upgrading packages that require setuptools isn't necessary, since py-distribute is backward compatible with py-setuptools. Thanks for your help. Loic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 13:01:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CB314A for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2099B6C7 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2SCjkmd011743; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:45:49 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <51543B7A.4030300@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:45:46 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130309 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive References: <19222.1364466721@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <19222.1364466721@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:01:20 -0000 On 03/28/13 10:32, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <5153FEFF.4090305@sneakertech.com>, you wrote: > >> >>> I have filed the following PR: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431 >> >> Er, don't take my word for law: > > I didn't. I won't. > >> I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea > > Any size which is an exact multiple of the physical block size for > the target device should provide performance which is as good as > it gets. > > I googled around and read various comments. Some of these kinds > of devices have a physical block size of 64KiB. Some have 128KiB. > Some have 256KiB. Some have 1MiB. > > For all of these devices, seting blocksize to 1MiB will provide optimal > performance with at worst only a _relatively_ tiny waste of space. > >> As for the conv=sync option, I'm not convinced it's necessary either >> way. > > Neither am I, but I would rather have it there, than not and take > chances. > > It won't hurt anything, and it appears that it _may_ perhaps help. > >> I don't think modern systems really care what the end is padded with > > That wasn't my concern. My concern is that I personally do not know > what the officially defined semantics are in cases where dd is asked > to copy data in a specific input block size _and_ the actual data > available from the input device doesn't perfectly fill up that last > block. > > It is possible, I would guess, that dd may notice the EOF occuring > before it has filled up an entire input buffer, and then just quit > at that point, _without_ writing the partial last block to the > output device. It will attempt to write a short block. E.g. arthur@fileserver[2]> ls -l t.pdf -rw-rw-r-- 1 arthur arthur 233812 Feb 18 12:26 t.pdf arthur@fileserver[2]> dd if=t.pdf of=/dev/null bs=1k 228+1 records in 228+1 records out 233812 bytes transferred in 0.036731 secs (6365521 bytes/sec) Those +1 records are the final short block. > It seems to me that conv=sync is cheap insurance against this > possibility. It's used as an insurance against output devices which have a fixed (or in the case of tape, a minimum) block size. If the short block is not an exact integer multiple of the device block size then the final write will fail. conv=sync and a bs (or obs) that's a strict multiple of block size prevents the problem. That's exactly your use case. > I have always been a belt and suspenders kind of guy. Show me the experienced sysadmin who isn't. Invariably learnt the hard way. :-} From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 13:16:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FED0650 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrei693@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f45.google.com (mail-ee0-f45.google.com [74.125.83.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE42E75F for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f45.google.com with SMTP id b57so5000532eek.32 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WpUo9IxH/ZIv6jmR0Du166+ltufQOrdXNDiDRWmgQFE=; b=wXuclmPW5a6FnVKGFYjycOaWs7V9XO+TWtN5s5If+gOeMtIMXlRuiKN6Inpnv8oZpx EGKcN3mHmP8CoKbyuKFetO3mL0NxhFKjr2Y1x6cJsmRwW45az25ws90otImSR0JGPzJK auow7EaZqTvr7L4bYm0AJeQ2frMb9R1totJjPvU0kzap3xbTJjeYYs6ABMPhV/DFgC8i ytguSses7okxh/PVdl01SMpgRprBHbMuhwFukahsG59JWh+2uHcYor23PnwoA2mlNa8+ W/wX1djX++Qk+OhV+yQVVxpodggHObDjWhj9sqoJe0WLgjtK9n+66GdFpV0iqjpupX8U Fh0Q== X-Received: by 10.14.200.137 with SMTP id z9mr66485060een.20.1364476598435; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from op-and-nb.perfectworld.eu ([87.213.55.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r4sm37676974eeo.12.2013.03.28.06.16.37 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <515442B4.1070906@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:16:36 +0100 From: Andrei Brezan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130321 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: databases/mysql55 to databases/mariadb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:16:45 -0000 Hello list, Is there a make.conf option that I can use to replace mysql55-[server,client] with mariadb55-[server,client] or i need to use for example pkg set -o databases/mysql55-client:databases/mariadb55-client? What happens if I want to use one port with mysql dependency and another one with mariadb as dependency? This is just a theoretical question, I don't have such a requirement, yet. All this is on 9.1-RELEASE but I think applies to different versions too. Thank you, Andrei Brezan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 14:13:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B86BE7; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C252A87; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F638B143B; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:13:45 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.962 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.962 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.038, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HARfgRLM9jCn; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:13:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.30] (p54B0A55F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.176.165.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AB3D8B1420; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:13:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <51545031.8010104@executive-computing.de> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:14:09 +0100 From: Marco Steinbach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Macdonald Subject: Re: gettext-0.18.1.1_1 fails to build under jail References: <51541F7D.7080807@ifdnrg.com> In-Reply-To: <51541F7D.7080807@ifdnrg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:13:52 -0000 Paul Macdonald wrote on 28.03.2013 11:46: > > this port upgrades fine on the host system but not under a jail.. > > FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec 4 09:23:10 > UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > config.status: executing depfiles commands > sed: 2: " > s/^include > inclu ...": unterminated substitute pattern > sed: 1: "s/$(DEPDIR)/.deps > .deps/g > ": unescaped newline inside substitute pattern > > I've been getting this message, also. For quite a while, iirc, in jails and on hosts. > ./localename.c: In function '_nl_locale_name_thread_unsafe': > ./localename.c:2607: error: 'locale_t' undeclared (first use in this > function) > ./localename.c:2607: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > once > ./localename.c:2607: error: for each function it appears in.) > ./localename.c:2607: error: expected ';' before 'thread_locale' > ./localename.c:2608: error: 'thread_locale' undeclared (first use in > this function) > ./localename.c:2608: error: 'LC_GLOBAL_LOCALE' undeclared (first use in > this function) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in > /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1/gettext-runtime/intl. > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in > /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1/gettext-runtime. > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in > /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1/gettext-runtime. > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.18.1.1. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/gettext. > > I didn't run into this, but seeing, that you're also using ezjail, maybe this thread in the FreeBSD forums can provide hints: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38558 MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 16:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8D4E14 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F47D305 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id bn7so9305184ieb.37 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ah5F8+nETD0OQdAE4iGZM2MsSX7pW4ElZraA7kkRr1E=; b=BiDn/CSdJV0UryNqPz3FoYIiEv4zk4PCl9J7EBssCCcDPTgCbik+JGLyM4UtPAOzvN ooCsXhEmcHmqtk1SKRXZf37/cedNIfwnt9UoVhWkl14oW9KnS6NlYb7lqwX/JyQ+0MS7 KvvW4NuBTqStiSeruKqTK/+Y0/y5dERtpiS4LxKMA67gNElc1zpPoVItuTcjBP5w+Fx8 1YXVlRN5Uepab+dm5VzfStRyzsifyZWrga1xIww62GPWjOQ5xsuNLt6DknnUP5hQ/ZI5 4GH2VA+BVLnuEih+gHky+pgyHpP7kYhbIe60bTK/X6zemQtK+33TJFXtutzom4qsh+LI pf6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.77.113 with SMTP id r17mr5363587igw.89.1364488432873; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.65 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130327203446.GA1414@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20130327203446.GA1414@tiny.Sisis.de> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:33:52 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release 9.1 and 3G usb Modem From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:33:53 -0000 Well, after trying so many things with no luck, i will give a try on ubuntu= . I must say all the support that give to me Odhiambo was excellent. Thanks to all of you, thanks Odhiambo for all your effort. Lets see what happen. Saludos / Regards Leonardo Santagostini 2013/3/27 Matthias Apitz > El d=C3=ADa Wednesday, March 27, 2013 a las 05:09:22PM -0300, Leonardo > Santagostini escribi=C3=B3: > > > Hello Odhiambo . > > > > The 3G model is Huawei E173 with Movistar Argentina. > > > > Ive tried but i cant see in windows de USB port to have a serial link := ( > > > > Saludos / Regards > > Leonardo Santagostini > > Hi, > > Pls check if this E173 card is supported by the /sys/dev/usb/serial/u3g.c > driver; figure out the vendorID and productID of this card and check if > it is in the driver to attach to; I own an E220 and an E1750 Huawei card, > both are just working fine without any tricks. > > matthias > -- > Sent from my FreeBSD netbook > > Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like > Apple/Android > E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - Never being an iSlave > WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments, no HTML/RTF > in E-mail > phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 16:39:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFFFFDD for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:39:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ait.mlist@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA404344 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fq12so18165580lab.33 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:39:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :x-operating-system:user-agent; bh=KGPMuZnfu27VECPzsGy/N3gmYxY6t1r5iz12/yLJ0P8=; b=QaJFe2+pkmvGkdDYlqa5wlNaozHz8u7HrvwPcvtNiV+/7/mANQp/TpUr4RyUshBCm7 xB7J4+SzKo/juE+R0C1EwSeZ7H3ibIfw4KkruDULAKfL3M7gBzImNeq9yPnSo99ktLmp rc21fOSnTnbZB7J16gyBWZDF04K7mXvxCLPumwgOeUEMmlwnttLSo/ZXsYomAA16/wcw NQhxAmyIOW/q7iP6drZ5oEZOBXy3NYAF28CMC05aiCYnc02v/gi1/rGVM+g65vOJTPkM 7uZCcnFLBn5j3Eue7rnGIYqJvBGa/FiNrQfnlujkGc7ZcYYXjNqDv78BcUu2XdAQZpQJ RZiA== X-Received: by 10.112.82.164 with SMTP id j4mr12636297lby.112.1364488769575; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a3500l ([46.61.57.160]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l1sm10043030lbn.8.2013.03.28.09.39.26 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a3500l (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:39:25 +0400 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:39:25 +0400 From: Dmitry Sarkisov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: software support Message-ID: <20130328163925.GA2059@aperturescience.org> References: <50A24799DF969E4B960A48EC973F643607B3B72E@0015-its-exmb13.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A24799DF969E4B960A48EC973F643607B3B72E@0015-its-exmb13.us.saic.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "Oblitey, Edmund" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:39:31 -0000 On 26-03-2013, Tue [10:10:46], Oblitey, Edmund wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD on a E7520/6300ESB chipset. Program > freezes during probing devices. It always restart when it gets to the > atkbd0. Want to know if u can help me on it. > Sometimes it helps to disable ACPI support in the loader menu, and enable debugging. You could also try to reset your system's BIOS settings, if you know what you're doing of course. ;) -- Dmitry Sarkisov <-\ Powered by <-------------------o <-/ FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 18:06:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0545A6A6 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB89B6 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULHDX-0008BK-0t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:06:27 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.84.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:06:27 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:06:27 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: databases/mysql55 to databases/mariadb Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:36 -0400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <515442B4.1070906@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:06:08 -0000 Andrei Brezan wrote: > Hello list, > > Is there a make.conf option that I can use to replace > mysql55-[server,client] with mariadb55-[server,client] or i need to use > for example pkg set -o > databases/mysql55-client:databases/mariadb55-client? > > What happens if I want to use one port with mysql dependency and another > one with mariadb as dependency? This is just a theoretical question, I > don't have such a requirement, yet. > > All this is on 9.1-RELEASE but I think applies to different versions too. > Look at: /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.database.mk I only perused it briefly, but I think you want something such as MYSQL_VER=55m. The 'm', or 'p' suffix switches to either MariaDB or PostgreSQL if I understand correctly. At any rate, this is the file that controls this. If it doesn't work (possibly I've got it wrong), I'd suggest a PR to get it added in. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 21:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAD7DBA for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E9A36B for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.local [192.168.5.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2SKtUZb031901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:55:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:55:30 -0500 From: dweimer To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: FreeBSD on VMware ESXi with PCI Pass Through enabled Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:21:31 -0000 Just curious if anyone has any good recommendations of settings for running FreeBSD under VMware ESXi 5.1 with PCI(e) pass through enabled. I have been doing some initial testing with a new motherboard processor and RAM. That I am hoping to be able to run 3 Servers on. The intended virtual machines for the setup. 1.) A FreeBSD system to run Bacula, which will require PCI pass through for an eSATA drive dock so backups volumes can be Rotated. 2.) A FreeBSD system to host my web/email server, no pass through required. 3.) A FreeNAS box host SMB shares and iSCSI, will use a PCI pass through to allow direct access to 4 Hard drives, attached to a separate SATA controller. Current Hardware Information: eSATA Controller for backups: Koutech IO-PESA111 PCI Express SATA II (3.0Gb/s) - uses Silicon Image 3132 Chipset System Board: ASUS F2A85-M PRO FM2 AMD A85X (Hudson D4) CPU: AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) I still need to add an additional controller SATA controller for the FreeNAS VM, but so far testing with a new machine built for the Bacula install has only been consistently able to trigger a complete core dump and crash of the ESXi host machine, sometimes at boot of the VM with PCI pass through, sometimes not until a load has been applied to the external hard drive on the Pass through SATA controller. I have tried the following things to fix this that I have come across while searching for help. Added the following to /boot/loader.conf: hw.pci.enable_msi=0 hw.pci.enable_msix=0 Added the following to the Vmware Virtual Machine Configuration: pciPassthru0.msiEnabled = "FALSE" -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 22:03:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8094A4C for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbelyea5@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE5B77D for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so11358oag.4 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:03:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=41qTzCuZ2v4909wQk7r8SU9AVs2WkoSfGGrqTB+oC7I=; b=SC8bPDBgJ64aBia/Afr4pu/NDh59628SA31IpeI4bbQdjjOw8iEQPSGVY/nT//RK29 X5JYLdegvyxXgbnSOwLhVB2hvdOPwUQHD3tJOVqvMf1EocnJIxATZ6KTtsDTOClQogtm oGfIVmq6kxqj5wiJbAFQgspmp7wOokSqrOkMIR/+v/3S66i6iP1V4Spelea+IARN2CjM BFTvttJFDnutKGAFybt1BuJZ4QYwSujDstcBAs1PVgW6isglQQgDEC/dg14znOj56o6b 4LAQl09H/hlC7qSEAsmfXFRjdq5Um6OPNXfcCLrSoBc4q254rbg1/H6R7Nxlwez62lY2 1Jww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.123.76 with SMTP id ly12mr86804obb.53.1364508207434; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.172.202 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:03:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: From: Jeff Belyea To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:03:33 -0000 I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 23:20:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C571BAA for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:20:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4ADA2C for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ro8so22742pbb.18 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BTj6L2NFkdUylYNMJvbbv90q9QtrbEnwQ7rrE9ZwNLw=; b=sr/pfwavsbIeD3tUenWkXtkoYQ+Sm+dxKrT+yAfuK1vbKmqy+kdzeS8anr+cmei172 xUKzgGjXl9wYg1bc+nWgqVtTXARytBeEOBIFcNYxJB5N0TPbxyG6Dfveym4QzuoWCsua YMxqSn+2FSjq5naLGhca2TZBBLUjyxOkjkBean9KVzPk1zE4oDYHXK0Rt0h0PO/xrR/2 IM9yrORMrCp+mZYk0guoqkWpKxo7oeIVS9/TFMEa82AMtwoOyE5PUydwFnhKOt3yjNTq 5Q8n8B3SdZEyaiHsv7AnmdaNfaMo+LDmttCx3tGKP8MM74zgadV33l/5HGHmXspQkngm kBXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.67.10.238 with SMTP id ed14mr1459355pad.41.1364512815567; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.82.106 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:20:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:20:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Jeff Belyea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:20:16 -0000 On 28 March 2013 18:03, Jeff Belyea wrote: > I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't > play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some > EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? Games? -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 28 23:47:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2253133 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 682D9B09 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30021 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2013 23:46:53 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2013 23:46:53 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5154D66D.5090407@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:46:53 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Belyea Subject: Re: References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:47:01 -0000 > I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't > play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some > EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? [pc/free]bsd *can* be used as a desktop system, but it's really aimed more at servers... a lot of common desktopy things aren't covered well. Based on the wording of your question it sounds like you're new to non-windows systems. 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The best regards, Sergey Bogomolov Sales Manager of=20 Rapsoodia OU From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 00:09:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0511663 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesp@musicreports.com) Received: from mri-mail.musicreports.com (mri-mail.musicreports.com [38.98.50.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891F1C48 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mri-mail.musicreports.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512213E4801A for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mri-mail.musicreports.com Received: from mri-mail.musicreports.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mri-mail.musicreports.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1qUbZCGr6wqp for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mri-mail.musicreports.com (mri-mail.musicreports.com [192.168.20.65]) by mri-mail.musicreports.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8B93E4800D for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "James D. Parra" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <1678703586.5418.1364515296021.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> In-Reply-To: <5154D66D.5090407@sneakertech.com> Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.20.220] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.15_GA_2995 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Win)/6.0.15_GA_2995) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:09:33 -0000 > I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't > play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some > EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? [pc/free]bsd *can* be used as a desktop system, but it's really aimed more at servers... a lot of common desktopy things aren't covered well. Based on the wording of your question it sounds like you're new to non-windows systems. I'd suggest you look into some flavor of linux instead (eg; "ubuntu" or "mint"): they'll be geared more towards what you'd be looking for I think. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why not PC-BSD? Easy to install and has a great looking and functional desktop. http://www.pcbsd.org/ Best regards, James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 00:34:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBB2CEE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patmcevoy@mac.com) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.81.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF6AD77 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pjmworkrig.local (rrcs-50-74-48-226.nyc.biz.rr.com [50.74.48.226]) by st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0MKE00FV29HBF810@st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:34:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-28_08:2013-03-28,2013-03-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1303280256 Message-id: <5154D37F.60608@mac.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:34:23 -0400 From: Patrick McEvoy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: References: In-reply-to: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: patmcevoy@mac.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:34:31 -0000 On 3/28/13 7:20 PM, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 28 March 2013 18:03, Jeff Belyea wrote: >> I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't >> play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some >> EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? > Games? > Games? Over 1100 of 'em!: http://www.freshports.org/games/ :-) P From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 00:53:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3F313E for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x236.google.com (mail-bk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FC1E33 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id q16so35577bkw.41 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:53:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oVrnNruauq9nHY8T3UkLVLTl7t+5EEUoNdwnbe7La6U=; b=1FQCKLN86g5lVdAJPfjwp0VbnKNgP8eluYl4Kh+1rCUU74fzCcHdqpEQLspU8HPaIH 8lTcK5IPArWR0rZ0B0UxFbfM8l3zKh95BzvJ0gwd2AJItt3hwDmxOKzeqvOSxgWREBbR +Is2DLcUZGtjaxaaaQUnoQzwdTOi6EaAzmaIKL/7p8V4P7Rt+5lWNwsrlzNyo5GgdHvb rLvm8YSu6hTzr3qckHEr467rthqeWfMgGemdzsdOt7g5ZKhDZ6Bzpbj00ncSQAUGkd1G YFWyBcwuWjtKmFBHIS+BRtyYtI2Zw+Y3NeyY+FBguMobB1kDtf1k2YvKtdWQrMHROIb/ ZqHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.188.81 with SMTP id cz17mr174722bkb.91.1364518398809; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:53:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:53:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: From: Waitman Gobble To: Jeff Belyea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:53:20 -0000 Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA On Mar 28, 2013 3:03 PM, "Jeff Belyea" wrote: > > I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't > play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some > EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? yes, but first snoop around bios admin screens for uefi settings (might not actually say uefi but something else, and might be in the back 40 so the motherboard manual might help). also might be good to figure out if someone could possibly decide that your machine qualifies as a mobile device, disrupting its planned operation could cause an issue) Waitman Gobble San Jose California From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 01:17:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851F792D for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679B9F77 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC143BB5F for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive In-Reply-To: <51543B7A.4030300@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: <26455.1364519843@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:24 -0000 In message <51543B7A.4030300@qeng-ho.org>, Arthur Chance wrote: >On 03/28/13 10:32, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> It is possible, I would guess, that dd may notice the EOF occuring >> before it has filled up an entire input buffer, and then just quit >> at that point, _without_ writing the partial last block to the >> output device. > >It will attempt to write a short block. E.g. > >arthur@fileserver[2]> ls -l t.pdf >-rw-rw-r-- 1 arthur arthur 233812 Feb 18 12:26 t.pdf >arthur@fileserver[2]> dd if=t.pdf of=/dev/null bs=1k >228+1 records in >228+1 records out >233812 bytes transferred in 0.036731 secs (6365521 bytes/sec) > >Those +1 records are the final short block. OK. Thanks. That's definitely good to know. I wonder if this behavior is documented in the man page. (It certainly should be, if it isn't already.) >> It seems to me that conv=sync is cheap insurance against this >> possibility. > >It's used as an insurance against output devices which have a fixed (or >in the case of tape, a minimum) block size. If the short block is not an >exact integer multiple of the device block size then the final write >will fail. Right. I understand. >conv=sync and a bs (or obs) that's a strict multiple of block >size prevents the problem. That's exactly your use case. Right. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 01:29:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F175DBCD for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D362994 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501743AEB5 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Where's the metadata? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:29:17 -0000 So, um, I downloaded the memstick.img file for FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE and then I dd'ed that to my 16GB ADATA USB flash thingy. After that, it worked just fine, and as expected. No problems. I could boot FreeBSD from it. Now however, I need to use that USB stick for something else, and I want to reformat the thing as a single NTFS file system using, one of my Windows systems to do that (re-)format. The problem is that now, the Windows system seems to think that the size of the thing is only something like 24.2 Megabytes... *not* the actual size, which is vastly larger (16GB). So I take the thing back and plug it in again to my FreeBSD system and I'm just about ready to simply dd a whole bunch of /dev/zero to the thing... figuring that this will probably cure it of its current drain bamage... but then at the last second I hesitate and decide to actually try to _understand_ what's going on here, really, for a change. So now I'm reading the man page for glabel(8) and I figure that this may help me to understand how the heck a 16GB USB flash thing magically becomes a (much smaller) 24.4 MB flash thingy. And I immediately spot the "dump" option. naturally, based on the name and the (rather terse) description in the man page, and I figure that this has got to be be useful. So I try it: # glabel dump da0 Can't read metadata from da0: Invalid argument. glabel: Not fully done. # glabel dump /dev/da0 Can't read metadata from /dev/da0: Invalid argument. glabel: Not fully done. Now, I say to you all, WTF? Why don't this work? Why don't it show me anything useful? Also, what exactly is this "fully done" gibberish? Is this like a souffle? If I come back in an hour, will it be "fully done"? Regards, rfg P.S. Yes, I _did_ plug the thing in firmly. It's there alright. # ls -l /dev/da* crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 169 Mar 28 15:59 /dev/da0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 170 Mar 28 15:59 /dev/da0a P.P.S. So what _is_ the best tool for just simply taking some sort of drive... like a USB flash drive, or any other kind of drive for that matter... and returning it to it's actual size? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 01:58:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C73460 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@clari.net.au) Received: from pigeon.clari.net.au (pigeon.clari.net.au [203.29.224.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8A3252 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.100.102] (c114-76-1-137.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.76.1.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: danny@clari.net.au) by pigeon.clari.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 05B81AA9DC3 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:58:42 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <5154F551.6050904@clari.net.au> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:58:41 +1100 From: Daniel O'Callaghan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where's the metadata? References: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:58:50 -0000 On 29/03/2013 12:29 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > So what_is_ the best tool for just simply taking some sort of > drive... like a USB flash drive, or any other kind of drive for that > matter... and returning it to it's actual size? Did you try using fdisk? It is probably a standard MBR boot record, not a GEOM one. Just a thought... Danny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 02:04:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A80066B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C595B2A5 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21060 invoked by uid 0); 29 Mar 2013 02:04:45 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2013 02:04:45 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5154F6BC.7020600@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:04:44 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Where's the metadata? References: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:04:47 -0000 > The problem is that now, the Windows system seems to think that the > size of the thing is only something like 24.2 Megabytes... *not* the > actual size, which is vastly larger (16GB). >but then at the last second I hesitate and decide to > actually try to _understand_ what's going on here, really, for a change. By default, when looking with disks in explorer, windows will only mess with partitions (slices). In this case, your usb drive has a single partition just big enough to hold the installer, with the remainder of the drive being dead space. You need to delete this partition and create a new one that spans the entire size of the drive. Unfortunately, windows doesn't make this as easy as it should be. You'll need to open your control panel -> administrative tools -> computer management -> disk management > So now I'm reading the man page for glabel(8) glabel is totally not related to your problem at all. glabel is for when you want to refer to disks via a user created identifier string when you can't rely on the device id. > P.P.S. So what _is_ the best tool for just simply taking some sort of > drive... like a USB flash drive, or any other kind of drive for that > matter... and returning it to it's actual size? Use a real partitioning program as opposed to the crap built into the windows right-click menu. On freebsd, this would be 'gpart'. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 02:10:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3785D9CD for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:10:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D34D2309 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 55992 invoked by uid 0); 29 Mar 2013 02:10:48 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2013 02:10:48 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <5154F828.8010202@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:10:48 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where's the metadata? References: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> <5154F551.6050904@clari.net.au> In-Reply-To: <5154F551.6050904@clari.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:10:56 -0000 > Did you try using fdisk? Don't use fdisk, it's waaaaaay out of date, doesn't work with a lot of modern large drives, and has horribly arcane syntax. Modern versions of gpart support MBR, so there's basically no reason to suffer through fdisk anymore. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 04:09:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A924D83 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patmcevoy@mac.com) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.81.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0640FA00 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PJMworkRig-2.local (ool-457636b4.dyn.optonline.net [69.118.54.180]) by st11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0MKE00HI2JFGYK10@st11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 03:09:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-28_08:2013-03-28,2013-03-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=48 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1303280312 Message-id: <515505DC.5030007@mac.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:09:16 -0400 From: Patrick McEvoy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: References: <1678703586.5418.1364515296021.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> In-reply-to: <1678703586.5418.1364515296021.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: patmcevoy@mac.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:09:24 -0000 On 3/28/13 8:01 PM, James D. Parra wrote: >> I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't >> play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some >> EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? > [pc/free]bsd *can* be used as a desktop system, but it's really aimed > more at servers... a lot of common desktopy things aren't covered well. > Based on the wording of your question it sounds like you're new to > non-windows systems. I'd suggest you look into some flavor of linux > instead (eg; "ubuntu" or "mint"): they'll be geared more towards what > you'd be looking for I think. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Why not PC-BSD? Easy to install and has a great looking and functional desktop. > > http://www.pcbsd.org/ > > Best regards, > > James > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" +1 for PCBSD. I put together a PCBSD system for my sister who is not very technical and she likes it. It does everything she needs. She even prefers the version of Open Office to the MS version she uses at work. P From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 04:39:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D081C3 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D2A6ACF for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2013 04:39:23 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.149] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2013 04:39:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp128-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2013 04:39:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1364531963; bh=ZUQ2EfHs+JKDucO0NDgb7rlwyRfh+GMdinYGN/L870g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:From:Message-Id:Date:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=qGYPngL8GAlc38X6926RNfpItxG1IFZEW4IjHGT+zix4/8n1TyCvQEMK8nmT1RzTkpJgyeuB95fxRooQfQEpUPclAb/ESzUgs7M1eBEPjeK15NNcobY4FZxopxKMs5MGwblDwmA1NDSf+f9RmKqbo6h+imgAr5yKDiQjAUKayws= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 676206.52715.bm@smtp128-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: uc7MqCkVM1lVdpyxVhWfzhUPmNZ1DzdqIIHefG3vcphIsDD 2huNTIdO2ktVbZyXZtoQRGeZGMqVqmREH3VAh_POjf4FAQJxVXNJSYL8_Kz4 gHRSApEwwFlb10wTDvipaOnPQOOQ5tF0UA97Vz7dQtxuKyZw8mCFXrh4IpgZ SVzgBk_pvIMEBOKtyV4CWwm6YM2gLTEZ8LkQwgeIv2TWFEANROQBPyK_Q3xn MR3cQM45J_R_F2MgUAo8qvZ9.xY.tC3NUHhwCoJ5DdHWLpykQ7Z61LV.DgbD Ee7Gur9N6qTuCq_1E3eAIpTPBpyhwp_Z2W_HS8dQ3sRLm6JjeAuwjrDRuwqe vUlEa9uuYDdpHeYFY6bcpNriyoJMkjdzrVhj1pVmFBjpx68oJ8Ur5egTodeD blkzjlRHmC8bcgPjrlgVIo57VWtrYRhARoOxwcdDFdcUs9WxJ6i6VbGRP X-Yahoo-SMTP: QwgFOT2swBC9RbEk7L61j8D8oTJpwuBOkZBcLzY- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.100] (laszlo_danielisz@89.133.20.225 with xymcookie) by smtp128-mob.biz.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2013 04:39:23 +0000 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: external hdd From: Laszlo Danielisz Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:10:42 +0100 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:39:30 -0000 Hi there, If I'm sharing an external 1TB HDD with FreeBSD and OS-X (I wan to use Time M= achine), what is the best file system to use? thx! Laszlo= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 04:53:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23CD40C for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhao6014@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x231.google.com (mail-we0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D063B26 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id o45so129856wer.36 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:53:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=OhmdLkT+zpF+DC1LUE4CHYdyxvIo2Vs70I//QevFdqc=; b=Wdc56pY9m7caBVOBBlwItoC2CKnumutEgaaFjbXxYMy8G9Uc+1o2tVuJhQvVEqkVdB PWZpPnnPDWop5AwOHzaI5XN3nto8H6EasMTZOnicji/fnXfIdIoMfOzhGtE2lUXJI+yx dclxSzHX/Apf7YXEispf/YVOF96a1KB1HNMHmx6GuPHR36VIPWGf4zIRtDXjfxawNLo6 g7v6PdneV7gnfv218M96Jr7xMHV5XCKYFoHTMVr5R0uJsjinKn4G/ucP7N9ujcwr/Hdh 7ZekCBLW55i282O/4B5QZfZ0cXFpgaSF/1s8PC1TzGHuxLPGkfK8SJQ+ebsRtdtU5J/y J7kw== X-Received: by 10.194.171.74 with SMTP id as10mr1582098wjc.0.1364532825048; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:53:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: zhao6014@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.153.98 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:53:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> From: Jov Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:53:25 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oZbdfkt2cqoiqGgd8wOocGDJEd8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Where's the metadata? To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:53:47 -0000 use newfs_msdos in FreeBSD,then format it to NTFS in windows. I used this command solve the same problem. 2013/3/29 Ronald F. Guilmette > > > So, um, I downloaded the memstick.img file for FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE and > then I dd'ed that to my 16GB ADATA USB flash thingy. After that, it > worked just fine, and as expected. No problems. I could boot FreeBSD > from it. > > Now however, I need to use that USB stick for something else, and I > want to reformat the thing as a single NTFS file system using, one > of my Windows systems to do that (re-)format. > > The problem is that now, the Windows system seems to think that the > size of the thing is only something like 24.2 Megabytes... *not* the > actual size, which is vastly larger (16GB). > > So I take the thing back and plug it in again to my FreeBSD system > and I'm just about ready to simply dd a whole bunch of /dev/zero to > the thing... figuring that this will probably cure it of its current > drain bamage... but then at the last second I hesitate and decide to > actually try to _understand_ what's going on here, really, for a change. > > So now I'm reading the man page for glabel(8) and I figure that this > may help me to understand how the heck a 16GB USB flash thing magically > becomes a (much smaller) 24.4 MB flash thingy. And I immediately spot > the "dump" option. naturally, based on the name and the (rather terse) > description in the man page, and I figure that this has got to be be > useful. So I try it: > > # glabel dump da0 > Can't read metadata from da0: Invalid argument. > glabel: Not fully done. > # glabel dump /dev/da0 > Can't read metadata from /dev/da0: Invalid argument. > glabel: Not fully done. > > Now, I say to you all, WTF? Why don't this work? Why don't it show me > anything useful? > > Also, what exactly is this "fully done" gibberish? > > Is this like a souffle? If I come back in an hour, will it be "fully > done"? > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. Yes, I _did_ plug the thing in firmly. It's there alright. > > # ls -l /dev/da* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 169 Mar 28 15:59 /dev/da0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 170 Mar 28 15:59 /dev/da0a > > > P.P.S. So what _is_ the best tool for just simply taking some sort of > drive... like a USB flash drive, or any other kind of drive for that > matter... and returning it to it's actual size? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Jov blog: http:amutu.com/blog From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 05:08:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6953953F for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhao6014@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441DB83 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id y10so154524wgg.26 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:08:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=B7RQ/cgduChmLwcnqmBsYCjtbWYKaa0E4AnXrnJyeJk=; b=Iz87uJcJS/+9DzyL7RJmlNlBobsz0dTYHEap2VlYw69Wjk4EFPnwNKpLnuDZnCWCKZ LKR3kIVeYfrG7f4gnjy+Mr/KkF1/yPM7rvk1m+OrfJEn2lbdlhVdgmj9lbkAA7Vyz9Zl x0+9OJIs9ksknk/MB2lHyjXQ84zwTYGvGDdxcRIJuIwrIL59OpuVPtgg6GtoIj0Xi6Kw Z586lWfYCwI9jGJmAjGrwJ9lpkY2I8QItwBixWrAnkdPCnYoBH9e+0UH7nmpiWOxij2V 8Rj3+KLJ96eRPD/8sfVgsTBrc2vNH9GUKVRoiNZd1pSGHIaqjAJpAc9hN66sFiSsKedv I93w== X-Received: by 10.194.71.110 with SMTP id t14mr1415659wju.53.1364533711615; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:08:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: zhao6014@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.153.98 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:08:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> References: <26967.1364520556@server1.tristatelogic.com> From: Jov Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:08:11 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a5II-BF0H7nOE5DRqEOm8jkZsEk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Where's the metadata? To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:08:38 -0000 use newfs_msdos /dev/da0 in FreeBSD,then format it to NTFS in windows. I used this command solve the same problem. 2013/3/29 Ronald F. Guilmette > > > So, um, I downloaded the memstick.img file for FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE and > then I dd'ed that to my 16GB ADATA USB flash thingy. After that, it > worked just fine, and as expected. No problems. I could boot FreeBSD > from it. > > Now however, I need to use that USB stick for something else, and I > want to reformat the thing as a single NTFS file system using, one > of my Windows systems to do that (re-)format. > > The problem is that now, the Windows system seems to think that the > size of the thing is only something like 24.2 Megabytes... *not* the > actual size, which is vastly larger (16GB). > > So I take the thing back and plug it in again to my FreeBSD system > and I'm just about ready to simply dd a whole bunch of /dev/zero to > the thing... figuring that this will probably cure it of its current > drain bamage... but then at the last second I hesitate and decide to > actually try to _understand_ what's going on here, really, for a change. > > So now I'm reading the man page for glabel(8) and I figure that this > may help me to understand how the heck a 16GB USB flash thing magically > becomes a (much smaller) 24.4 MB flash thingy. And I immediately spot > the "dump" option. naturally, based on the name and the (rather terse) > description in the man page, and I figure that this has got to be be > useful. So I try it: > > # glabel dump da0 > Can't read metadata from da0: Invalid argument. > glabel: Not fully done. > # glabel dump /dev/da0 > Can't read metadata from /dev/da0: Invalid argument. > glabel: Not fully done. > > Now, I say to you all, WTF? Why don't this work? Why don't it show me > anything useful? > > Also, what exactly is this "fully done" gibberish? > > Is this like a souffle? If I come back in an hour, will it be "fully > done"? > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. Yes, I _did_ plug the thing in firmly. It's there alright. > > # ls -l /dev/da* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 169 Mar 28 15:59 /dev/da0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 170 Mar 28 15:59 /dev/da0a > > > P.P.S. So what _is_ the best tool for just simply taking some sort of > drive... like a USB flash drive, or any other kind of drive for that > matter... and returning it to it's actual size? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Jov blog: http:amutu.com/blog From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 08:51:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4B54CC for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cybernautape@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBD1313 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id eb20so376025lab.31 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:51:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rbs9e1itFdK2noScyUg83RpI3blZDFAqpXMgOvnjFCY=; b=xXTJrRZq8SBHqIJMMLTUUtqwfQ5nh06gJoZIANl6U0bhYJvPxWQu93xV101GbadzbZ lL5IQgMYETlNAo9HOyCgPRAi8qJ9IeD0qd4QSu4R2uqkJo1/Yndug39Qf82wvReWPLgE 9uM3tE519/5cJtyxt59ehaQf2d4e9AizKgjuvgTEdv8tArD1jvvYecmKlbGzNl6BwQNw 0wJQFirIULNg4CP1KdKa7hWc1T8vAhWR0H+bLVJ+lke09ttLPycwUQuJPpXFpgJRFjTG BiJDijaSliVYSx+R3/4QMbX4yfLBO1oYLLOv0mebNP0j5aXzwNvA0JiHNNcKcv1vTwIR t+ww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.137.135 with SMTP id qi7mr992442lbb.117.1364547082535; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.46.194 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 03:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Pkg in FreeBSD 9.1 release, file not found From: Edgar Rodolfo To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:51:24 -0000 Hi guys! :) I put in .cshrc: setenv PACKAGESITE "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9-stable/Latest" and afterwards #pkg_add -r pkg to use pkg But currently i can not use pkg :(, but i remember that few days ago i was using I used pkg to update and install some binary package, but today I can not use pkg. today when i put pkg update: pkg: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9-stable/Latest//repo.txz:File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) currently i have: #~pkg info pkg pkg-1.0.1 New generation manager I copy the file pkg.conf.sample to /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf #less /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf [...] #Configuraton options PACKAGESITE :http://pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/Latest [...] But it does not works :(, help me please :(, thanks in advice for you reply -- "UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity." -- Dennis M. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 09:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFB0991 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83465FC for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-80-247.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.80.247]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E36A3CE39; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:12:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2T9CAgM002042; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:12:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:12:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20130329101210.ff3c4391.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5154D66D.5090407@sneakertech.com> References: <5154D66D.5090407@sneakertech.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jeff Belyea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:12:12 -0000 Sorry I have to say that, but I feel I have to comment on this: On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:46:53 -0400, Quartz wrote: > [pc/free]bsd *can* be used as a desktop system, but it's really aimed > more at servers... FreeBSD is, per definition, a multi-purpose operating system. It can be used on servers, on desktops, on "combined forms", even on embedded. The description "desktop", as I will admit, includes the ability to do several things, such as web browsing, emailing, word processing. Someone may include multimedia, someone else may include gaming. There is no strict definition on what makes "desktop". > a lot of common desktopy things aren't covered well. Personally I'm using FreeBSD _exclusively_ (!) on the desktop since version 4.0, and I haven't missed _any_ "common desktopy thing" that is required for my daily work. So at least from my limited and very individual point of view, everything is covered fine, on my home machines, and on the several laptops I have been using. I know I'm probably doing something wrong. :-) > Based on the wording of your question it sounds like you're new to > non-windows systems. I'd suggest you look into some flavor of linux > instead (eg; "ubuntu" or "mint"): they'll be geared more towards what > you'd be looking for I think. This assumption is what PC-BSD has been invented for. :-) Honestly: I know there are several things that do not work out of the box with FreeBSD, such as specific network sets, strange electrical sheet feeders with inkpee mechanism, controlled by an unknown USB data stream, or "commodity gadgets". Problems can also occur when considering that some hardware manufacturers cripple their hardware intendedly in order to get permission to put a "Windows" advertising sticker on them. In such cases, Linux is often an advantage as they have developed means to deal with that. Still if the OP is explicitely _interested_ in running FreeBSD, what's wrong in a try first? Maybe first PC-BSD, then "normal" FreeBSD? In worst case, he would be able to download some Linux distribution (and I second your suggestions of Ubuntu and Mint, maybe add openSuSE?) and use that instead. There is no reason to stay with "Windows 8" when everything it gives you is headaches and rage attacks. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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P. Ghost" To: Jeff Belyea X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkUjSHR7r3F2u+JEdQOtAabrGJN1wufaax3gMQh7KXFsQmzMlv1haoVUuLtcYQwcT9M0WVK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:48:14 -0000 On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Jeff Belyea wrote: > I have a new computer with windows 8, which I hate with a passion. I don't > play music and I don't do a lot of pictures. Basically I only search, some > EBay and games. Can I replace win8 with BSD? > Of course you can. I suggest that you 0. make a full backup of your win8 drive... just in case you want to go back. You may also want to extract the win8 product key and write it down: * http://superuser.com/questions/495794/how-can-i-find-the-product-key-that-was-used-to-activate-windows-8 * http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/30363-Windows-8-Product-Key-Viewer 1. fetch a memstick image e.g. from here: ftp://ftp2.us.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/9.1/FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img and write it with your favorite application on a USB flash drive. 2. switch your computer firmware from UEFI to CSM (compatibility support module), a.k.a. old BIOS mode, so you can boot external media. 3. boot from the USB flash drive, and experiment with FreeBSD. 4. install to disk (eventually after resizing and repartitioning the win8 part if you want to keep that). Good luck! -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 14:11:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34624C2 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C857E9 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:11:24 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=EehKsYaC c=1 sm=0 a=0NJkuBbZY5VCdgJ+v5fl0w==:17 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=sIt-5M63AAAA:8 a=uvmE88imp50A:10 a=eWo606DVfAH8x3mw-NwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0NJkuBbZY5VCdgJ+v5fl0w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 209.6.84.183 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [209.6.84.183] ([209.6.84.183:31828] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id FF/6B-28841-601A5515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:11:18 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20821.41221.631111.321717@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:11:17 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: dump locking up system X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:11:25 -0000 (While the system involved is -CURRENT, this doesn't seem to have anything CURRENT-related.) On a system running: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Dec 30 12:52:09 EST 2012 amd64 running dump causes the system to lock up ... sometimes. Specifics: I have a cron job which runs at 0200 local; it dumps three filesystems - /, /var, and /usr - to an external hard drive attached by eSATA. (Dump is incremental Tuesday through Sunday, full on Monday.) After some time of working transparently, this now semi- reliably causes the system to lock up requiring power-off to fix. a) According to dumpdates, the dump of / always completes. Only dumping /var or /usr cause the lock-up. b) There's nothing else in cron running about that time. c) "Top" doesn't show any suspicious processes or activity. d) When doing "fsck" on re-boot, the only thing suspicious is a file - caught in fsck phase 1 - large enough to be the usused space on the disk. e) The dump is run in snapshot mode; this has not previously been a problem. f) The exact command used is: dump $DUMP_LEVEL -D $DUMPDATES_FILE -C $DUMP_CACHE -b 64 -Lau -f $DUMP_DATE.var.dump /var where all of the $VARs are appropriately defined elsewhere. g) When run outside the cron environment, the script always runs to completion. Two possibilities come to mind: some kind of hardware failure, or a subtle corruption of the file system. Please - someone out there hav a better idea. ResEpoectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 15:45:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B96CBC1 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davida@thurber.org) Received: from host.thurber.org (host.thurber.org [67.227.222.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0D2C1E for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ras-178-093.atcnet.net ([216.180.178.93]:51407 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by host.thurber.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ULb55-00069l-6W for questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:19:02 -0600 From: David Thurber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: EOL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130329-0, 03/29/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.thurber.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thurber.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:45:58 -0000 I have 5 XP machines on my node that are used to crunch data 24/7. So, I'm looking for an OS platform that has a 10 year EOL to replace XP/3. What I got from your website appears to be a year or two at most on freebsd 8.3, and we really don't want to repeat the travails of the transition from 98SE to XP/3 after this one because the research team will be mostly mid 80's early 90"s by then. It's a lot of data fetched over the web so we need security updates to keep the OS secure with minimal interaction. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 16:10:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED7F673 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2C4DB4 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-80-247.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.80.247]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E2A278C1; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:03:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2TG3ceb001994; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:03:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:03:38 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Thurber Subject: Re: EOL Message-Id: <20130329170338.f6e45c5c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> References: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:10:24 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:19:02 -0600, David Thurber wrote: > I have 5 XP machines on my node that are used to crunch data 24/7. So, > I'm looking for an OS platform that has a 10 year EOL to replace XP/3. It's good you're paying attention to the upcoming death of "Windows XP" and the expected birth of lots of new malware, exploiting unfixed vulnerabilities. :-) > What I got from your website appears to be a year or two at most on > freebsd 8.3, and we really don't want to repeat the travails of the > transition from 98SE to XP/3 after this one because the research team > will be mostly mid 80's early 90"s by then. You should use the most recent FreeBSD version for your first installation unless there's a _valid_ reason to use an older release which you cannot avoid. As with many software projects, FreeBSD is continuously developed. Security patches are backported from the current development branches to older (legacy) ones for some time, as long as this is possible. This of couse does not stop you to keep a FreeBSD installation running. For example, I still have a FreeBSD 4.1 file server which I see no need to replace, primarily because it runs "in-house only" and has no connection to the Internet. This is probably your biggest concern. However, FreeBSD is much more secure than "Windows XP" due to design and defaults. But keep in mind you're not just using the OS, you're also using additional software which also has to be kept current to operate securely. FreeBSD allows you to update software (from the ports collection) even on older installations. Of course this is not "possible unlimited" - but as long as the required OS infrastructures are present, it can be done. > It's a lot of data fetched > over the web so we need security updates to keep the OS secure with > minimal interaction. FreeBSD and its applications can be updated from source. There are lots of tools (such as port management tools like portmaster) to help you with this task. But there are also tools for binary updates. They even cover transition to a new major release. You can use freebsd-update to get the security patches for the OS, this is very easy and does not involve much interaction. FreeBSD will provide a very solid foundation for running secure installations over a long time. Of course you will need to perform updates, but this is very easy to do, as I said. You may check "The FreeBSD Handbook" for more information. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 16:38:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B5F4A6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FB8EDC for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2TGcMZb053314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:38:23 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2TGcMZb053314 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2TGcMZb053314; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) Message-ID: <5155C376.9020308@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:38:14 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EOL References: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> In-Reply-To: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2UKKHXPUSEHTGVTPHTNVR" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:38:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2UKKHXPUSEHTGVTPHTNVR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29/03/2013 15:19, David Thurber wrote: > I have 5 XP machines on my node that are used to crunch data 24/7. So, > I'm looking for an OS platform that has a 10 year EOL to replace XP/3. >=20 > What I got from your website appears to be a year or two at most on > freebsd 8.3, and we really don't want to repeat the travails of the > transition from 98SE to XP/3 after this one because the research team > will be mostly mid 80's early 90"s by then. It's a lot of data fetched= > over the web so we need security updates to keep the OS secure with > minimal interaction. 10 years is an eternity in computing terms. In 10 years your five machines will be easily outclassed by a single machine costing a fraction as much, if Moore's Law holds up. In fact, by then you could probably virtualize all five onto the same platform and still come out ahead. Might I suggest that your best option is not to look for an OS which has a 10-year release lifetime; something I think you'ld struggle to find from any FOSS project, and would probably have to pay exhorbitantly for from a commercial provider. Instead, look for an OS where you can maintain a configuration environment for the lifetime of your project. By that I mean you can still run the original binaries. In this respect, I think FreeBSD would be one of the better choices. I mean, 10 years ago, FreeBSD 5.0 and 5.1 were the latest releases. Now, that release branch had its problems, but it marked the last hugely incompatible change across major version updates (as seen in the 3 -> 4 and 4 -> 5 upgrades). In principle, given a suitable set of compat5x libraries (ie. the misc/compat5x port) and a kernel compiled with 'options COMPAT_FREEBSD5' (which is in the default kernel), you could run software compiled for 5.x on a contemporary system. Of course, there can't be any guarantees that your project running on FreeBSD 9.2 now could be supported in compat9x mode on FreeBSD 15.x in 2023. But I'd suggest the FreeBSD is probably one of your best bets for achieving that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ------enig2UKKHXPUSEHTGVTPHTNVR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFVw34ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy6eACgk5EBUKVH9yH4q0BOJ5NykxHr ONwAn0m/vcv1uKSD2b7Fi9u8BOGaq1aB =jaMP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2UKKHXPUSEHTGVTPHTNVR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 17:07:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04771C19 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp009.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp009.mac.com [17.158.161.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E517DFD3 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp009.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MKF007T5M7HRA40@nk11p00mm-asmtp009.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:06:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-29_07:2013-03-29,2013-03-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1303290163 Subject: Re: external hdd MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:06:52 -0700 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> References: To: Laszlo Danielisz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0000 On Mar 28, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Laszlo Danielisz wrote: > If I'm sharing an external 1TB HDD with FreeBSD and OS-X (I wan to use = Time Machine), what is the best file system to use? Time Machine is only supported on top of journaled HFS+; I'm not sure = how fusefs-hfs is doing on FreeBSD, though. Or you could setup multiple = partitions and have an exFAT partition for data interchange between = other OSes. Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 18:33:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA2EA10 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2B2346 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from irix.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.39] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULe6N-0004zx-VO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:58 +0000 Received: from cpc2-aztw9-0-0-cust169.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com ([77.97.103.170] helo=zzz.men.bris.ac.uk) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULe6N-0002zD-Nb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:35 +0000 Received: from zzz.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2TIWYv7035724 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT (envelope-from mexas@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by zzz.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2TIWYPW035723 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201303291832.r2TIWYPW035723@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: ---- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:33:05 -0000 Please help debug sendmail / smtp.gmail config. My University just switched to gmail (dickheads) and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. It used to work ok with the University smtp auth server. Now I get in /var/log/maillog: sm-mta[72300]: r2TI0vQc072134: to=, ctladdr= (1001/1001), delay=00:20:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=210424, relay=smtp.gmail.com, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com I switched the firewall off completely. I have: # cat /etc/mail/auth/client-info AuthInfo:smtp.gmail.com "U:root" "I:mexas@bristol.ac.uk" "P:xxxxx" # and this in /etc/mail/freebsd.mc: define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.gmail.com')dnl I rebuilt (run make under /etc/mail. This just renames freebsd.mc to .mc, and freebsd.submit.mc to .submit.mc) and restarted sendmail. I also use: MASQUERADE_AS(`bristol.ac.uk') MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`bristol.ac.uk') to use the university domain instead of may xxxx.men.bris.ac.uk, which is not acceptable. What else am I missing? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 19:03:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575A3AA2 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x233.google.com (mail-qc0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D68A6A9 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id b40so328620qcq.38 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=M070TXhmYgbiBNu3xSku591gURSGYdJPBOBV+T4AxaI=; b=xHtTpvU+lYKmbIRjsMra1GMsX6YyoElYdzai+vkFMJAOo96hBIZEGHzGcpsqFl3hZq xdHiuaKprady+G5DafB1dsqzdcbWoeR23njvxSq+jQMWKn282PycFAEU2eSQPWSb6nbZ bMOuSRiAiM+eDr/EuRD5d7XfNQ3P2F9vtIxJWG9wGNJVzxUsBn8N0stZT/62m2J3QoWS 6eoD/yPSJI/YQHfi89PAqAFegeYIedmuhLGe3uhwzeYsnABHMZD/5YvCPk8pZjOVgLDD 2kcMcCixbGz2MGzYHNzN7XKkxi2qAsF1Ju/lO8/qzneYrNlx0q4icZAQc5SA9elCs/Af frdQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.58.147 with SMTP id g19mr5517789qah.22.1364583838543; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.132.98 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201303291832.r2TIWYPW035723@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201303291832.r2TIWYPW035723@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:03:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ahps_dDQKfvY1nARAyip0YXPwiM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help From: CeDeROM To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:03:59 -0000 gmail has blocking mechanism when you use it from different devices, try this maybe it will help: https://accounts.google.com/DisplayUnlockCaptcha -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 19:12:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8435E1B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BB66F8 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULeit-0006hw-74 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:12:23 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:12:23 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:12:23 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2 is broken Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 21 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:12:10 -0000 FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE on amd64 This afternoon I upgraded textproc/libxml2 from version 2.7.8_5 to version 2.7.8_0 (at least I think it's libxml2 that's the problem - I upgraded py27-libxml2 and gdk-pixbuf2 at the same time). Then x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2 would not compile. I got the following error: CCLD test-widget ../gtksourceview/.libs/libgtksourceview-2.0.so: undefined reference to `xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate' gmake[2]: *** [test-widget] Error 1 Sure enough, I see a similar error when I try to open a shell script with gedit: /usr/local/lib/libgtksourceview-2.0.so.0: Undefined symbol "xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate" Where do I go from here? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z12sm2981396yhg.8.2013.03.29.12.36.20 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZctVC3fLwz2CG4t for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help Message-ID: <20130329153619.69c5b4dd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201303291832.r2TIWYPW035723@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201303291832.r2TIWYPW035723@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlltCNvxvpWUJgyGBW+mJo4xFqDdlQbNNG4nA4Il3e0c9p9NCkFldXwFFklBSJLMTsMznJf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:41:34 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT Anton Shterenlikht articulated: > Please help debug sendmail / smtp.gmail config. > > My University just switched to gmail (dickheads) > and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. > > It used to work ok with the University smtp auth > server. Now I get in /var/log/maillog: > > sm-mta[72300]: r2TI0vQc072134: to=, > ctladdr= (1001/1001), > delay=00:20:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=210424, > relay=smtp.gmail.com, dsn=4.0.0, > stat=Deferred: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com > > I switched the firewall off completely. > > I have: > > # cat /etc/mail/auth/client-info > AuthInfo:smtp.gmail.com "U:root" "I:mexas@bristol.ac.uk" "P:xxxxx" > # > > and this in /etc/mail/freebsd.mc: > > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.gmail.com')dnl > > I rebuilt (run make under /etc/mail. This just > renames freebsd.mc to .mc, and freebsd.submit.mc > to .submit.mc) and restarted sendmail. > > I also use: > > MASQUERADE_AS(`bristol.ac.uk') > MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`bristol.ac.uk') > > to use the university domain instead of > may xxxx.men.bris.ac.uk, which is not > acceptable. Try this at the command line: openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:25 -starttls smtp If it times out, change the port number to 587 and try it again. If you cannot make a connect using either port number then you have a firewall problem. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 20:27:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F9A3AD for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76C996A for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ro8so391075pbb.32 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SldswFInsR1oPi69kMT19n+Tnfe54xc+G8HUp55GivE=; b=pOGtWa5Tk2luiIGxnnfk8nu5z/OIUJ0qkyEehkH26pceEVzV/649jiBnwZ4SRaiF2B fwbOQIDWPXe3SmVoXn/DfxNLDFeKwielgZItn+D/SZuAO33B1mOX38k4K/pv9nE/d1pu PBMaWlv7QnPjbyWCSbSvCrpBcaJNfOMD+g4pvHLMHD7V/f4LfsIzUe/MsWKXvsgaa0I8 VfdD+mM0CGyGYZi8jH5OK1o8ky4ZXijzKE6+Mc0D039Rh6dDlzCSwUOwueM3d8+QN0o2 TGmON0c8OcRn0isvoTYANGCioGpOdZkzgy3ICCkIMzhOEAdvcu+rCk5PyGizl0ICIe6M UgWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.67.10.238 with SMTP id ed14mr6442447pad.41.1364588840198; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.82.106 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2 is broken From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Walter Hurry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:27:27 -0000 On 29 March 2013 15:11, Walter Hurry wrote: > FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE on amd64 > > This afternoon I upgraded textproc/libxml2 from version 2.7.8_5 to > version 2.7.8_0 (at least I think it's libxml2 that's the problem - I > upgraded py27-libxml2 and gdk-pixbuf2 at the same time). > > Then x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2 would not compile. I got the following > error: > > CCLD test-widget > ../gtksourceview/.libs/libgtksourceview-2.0.so: undefined reference to > `xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate' > gmake[2]: *** [test-widget] Error 1 > > Sure enough, I see a similar error when I try to open a shell script with > gedit: > > /usr/local/lib/libgtksourceview-2.0.so.0: Undefined symbol > "xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate" > > Where do I go from here? > > Looks like xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate is provided by /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlreader.h As an analogy, I seem to recall having trouble in the past with the freetype2/freetype nested directories & #include statements that never seemed to pick up the subtleties & my solution at the time was to: # ln -s /usr/local/include/freetype2/freetype /usr/local/include/freetype This probably caused an orphan in Mumbai to experience an existential dread they still don't understand, but I'll be danged if it didn't work. Otherwise, you can blindly run # portmaster -r libxml2 (or some perverted equivalent thereof) & pray. It'll probably run for a good while. % pkg info -r libxml2 | wc -l 148 (that's including the "libxml2-2.7.8_5 is required by: " line though) HTH -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 21:53:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915FCFC8 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.info) Received: from mail-gg0-x22f.google.com (mail-gg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c02::22f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B33CDE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l1so80516ggn.34 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:53:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=drenet.info; s=google; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4azySyxIomPGroIulUzrgr3Y6OI+px1YcCgWec0/lRw=; b=SRF1htSwfq/Wp7uD7nlKaI2KOT36pYoi+87GBaqqFFboQV8xF29M5ZHinFMDkjBxrE 4eD6g7v0u0dkW7lG1jUqWyy74A3RRIQwU+jP6Jh6F6MvVQ2IcX2YALXEIyNodXNTWxH3 279ZfnJxXYXyfmHQzEs0fmFtpzWDYRGm0TPwo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=4azySyxIomPGroIulUzrgr3Y6OI+px1YcCgWec0/lRw=; b=Idewbi+xOV5b4RCMrv2GaVJtAH5lqyMvV+KLOXAJaf0UlZwyPhkRb09yrMfTaQujzG tOd2U21YjaVpAIczvtlnjVpeetCSV1mI1B18yc0TDZSm0DMSxf4ISoIKlJskL4j6Jh10 13vw0sIjWdJRpx94lW2I1LEucsn1rNHyYt/u01SDXBTSURhNAmY2DUzGbYiIgRPtgi9b iPbeIsbsL2WdWKcKbddQauRz3CQn1oEKxClp+7aa5zZcW7E0Qf34K2P+cOQ/gRJY+Mdj DZIB5wraSaIPWAnl4MeKz+VRelEj7QKl8A8jrwmqtB3+igprPmSwMbSoPNy4ZGewPOTT 9jAg== X-Received: by 10.236.131.178 with SMTP id m38mr1474497yhi.27.1364592578916; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sideswipe-DT.accesso.office ([75.112.170.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm3704632yhh.15.2013.03.29.14.29.37 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <515607C1.2010701@drenet.info> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:29:37 -0400 From: Andre Goree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130327 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Proper way to update ports with svn X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnN+odRVKljJ67TN+z65u4f7Xyd98pWmWsHo4puz/VodUImI39gfVCdLUPQB3Er/3A+aTq0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:53:53 -0000 I seem to have to run 'make index' in /usr/ports after I've run 'svn up /usr/ports' in order to see which ports need to be updated using 'portversion'. This doesn't seem correct...and if so portsnap would seem like a much better tool. Perhaps I should be running 'make fetchindex' instead? I'm sure I've read about the correct way to do so, but it doesn't appear to be here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsSubversionPrimer Thanks in advance for any advice. -- Andre Goree andre@drenet.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 22:52:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAADCA1 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B275EAB for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo10so660821obc.39 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=po7mUjOfzy7MfGVOQOR3VcT2ONUg/3Kcr/HSsChXWmM=; b=DC2FQRPCpgSEKgUorvlJtypAuFpb6w39gGWCpb/8pq8jAhi5Ohid7x+i2T69MWE/5/ KywlnCeKHeuJWuIShvG1SrtGHf1yN3Qe5XRv8VtJyBmQx2ladj+ShRjVFCEVHkYA0gx6 J4T/VHWhqLF6qof6QWiRnyvPncF3wyUVcYivVR4sypGrsZ5Jyp07SwKy2vWgxkAiG3a3 s8mIWWMqYN0NdojQsrgtFGYFPxCRwaGQZWfraFNF5WDdKMtY9bfcamACgIPserBVSbN6 BlYPaqEmTdt6iIWBf9J0TV3/jm075Y1fV2o9SAV2Hfiw/kFnUtG2FrMI3U+dgzIrXqJ6 e2Jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.23.226 with SMTP id p2mr1324373oef.103.1364597549285; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.128.137 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> References: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:52:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: external hdd From: Damien Fleuriot To: Chuck Swiger X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm2xn/voQU7a7ZHqz3FpJdW2AVCnUVGp8+jS1sR7UI07UujCNp8bTgH722cMZ947psIWTdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Laszlo Danielisz , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:52:30 -0000 On 29 March 2013 18:06, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Mar 28, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Laszlo Danielisz wrote: > > If I'm sharing an external 1TB HDD with FreeBSD and OS-X (I wan to use > Time Machine), what is the best file system to use? > > Time Machine is only supported on top of journaled HFS+; I'm not sure how > fusefs-hfs is doing on FreeBSD, though. Or you could setup multiple > partitions and have an exFAT partition for data interchange between other > OSes. > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck Now, unless I got things wrong, I believe you're mistaken. I, for instance, have a Time Machine server running on top of 10.0-CURRENT with ZFS. http://www.area536.com/projects/ironclad-time-machine-backups-on-freebsd/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 23:13:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02CA114 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (bramley.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B935DF3F for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:13:29 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay6.apple.com ([17.128.113.90]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MKG00FCB3689F23@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1180715a-b7f566d000006daa-e4-515620122577 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.209.4.71]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id FA.80.28074.31026515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: external hdd From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:13:22 -0700 Message-id: <150B553F-AED1-45D7-86C9-EB482ED267EC@mac.com> References: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> To: Damien Fleuriot , Laszlo Danielisz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieJHFXVdYISzQ4NwxNouXXzexWLya8ZXN Ys6JvewOzB4zPs1n8Ti+cCGjx6xZh5kCmKO4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mt7u6WMpeMdesXxTE0sD YztbFyMnh4SAicSk76+ZIWwxiQv31gPFuTiEBCYxSZx6NwusSFhAUqJ50QQwm1fAUOLW5blg NrOAlsSNfy+ZQGw2ARWJxbP+Aw3i4OAUCJRomRgMEmYRUJWYdvIiK0S5rkTTjbeMELa2xLKF EHt5BawkNvV/Z4XYu4FRYta142ANIgL+Esvb2lkhjpOV2HnnNMsERv5ZSM6YheSMWUjmLmBk XsUoUJSak1hpppdYUJCTqpecn7uJERSIDYVROxgbllsdYhTgYFTi4ZVYFRooxJpYVlyZe4hR goNZSYRXfgVQiDclsbIqtSg/vqg0J7X4EKM0B4uSOO8SprBAIYH0xJLU7NTUgtQimCwTB6dU A6Phpi2nhYV2bJPpO7ezWyTj5S9P0UK1UFHxtv4wx1Pc9lmlp/bqRC+KF3r0Kb73DH+h5mTN HY95irUyJlbyR684c7nxM3+gxuElE5a0/Mv8XFD6ab3IHMsbzgKlqueUlj8vlHHhMK1i56v8 rNPWuW+mhvGeyWkR02VOVfI5JL/6nTWr/OWdw0osxRmJhlrMRcWJAG4Y4k9AAgAA Cc: FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:13:29 -0000 Hi-- On Mar 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 29 March 2013 18:06, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> Time Machine is only supported on top of journaled HFS+; I'm not sure how fusefs-hfs is doing on FreeBSD, though. Or you could setup multiple partitions and have an exFAT partition for data interchange between other OSes. > > Now, unless I got things wrong, I believe you're mistaken. The key word above which folks might not be paying enough attention towards-- particularly in the context of a backup solution-- is "supported". > I, for instance, have a Time Machine server running on top of 10.0-CURRENT with ZFS. > http://www.area536.com/projects/ironclad-time-machine-backups-on-freebsd/ Indeed. As one might note on that page: defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1 ^^^^^^^^^^^ #include Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 29 23:39:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070D252B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ea0-x231.google.com (mail-ea0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c01::231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B585FCE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q14so379673eaj.36 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ui+W+UhBWk3kczjgoOmpfrLOO97X+tmUTx/Xkp/fqf0=; b=JsG5VfkoTaZ9JTK/WOaude9oD0q+wVaqCEgrJXSnzoHXT2AhAZtKJiH4PWPN4ZXMEh gECUM+3TnBfsRYrtRaHuObK70h+gB9m65tjuU7RT05TlxB24AZOuhK7T4lYEeGC5dwGq Ijnksbk5f7FT0iVvBDAvStXsk48IHIheyXY8wNp+0e8vHRTNdwUBvSdPX+kEUgp76iLH hMoQhH9WeWW4xybMonXGwpb3RDVw5Tr0hzJSN8/jrTCyGXBwgwThjdj0ggjEIbDL0jSX JPU0n9wOItwWm/bAqDGrOy9/j/gCIxU0A7dLnCw8NhhDO2UkcJbeo0+k+qw7747feOaT 9/uw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.193.134 with SMTP id k6mr12383542een.37.1364600357364; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.213.194 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [76.104.147.221] In-Reply-To: <20130328055916.d80acbbc06db0c4f2761bcfd@sohara.org> References: <20130328055916.d80acbbc06db0c4f2761bcfd@sohara.org> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: The future of USENET? From: David Brodbeck To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnk1vwAt/+dPuRocF77WoxBonbry2ZsuVwviNO0G0bG4BZ9iLttby39siksavAiQwC/q/fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:39:19 -0000 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > There are several free public USENET text servers (no binary > groups), granted it's nothing like the days when every ISP ran one but > there are still several about (eternal-september.com is one of the > biggest). There are also a few low cost paid servers (individual.netstands > out here). There is also a thriving business in paid for USENET binary > service. > Even back in the day I used to use public servers, because the ISP-run ones generally had poor uptime and a poor selection of groups. These days I tend not to read USENET groups because of the high amount of spam traffic, and the fact that the remaining posters tend to be interested mostly in continuing their own long-running flame wars while chasing off newbies. Maybe I just value my time more highly these days. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 00:00:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08407AEB for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE92BFD for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:00:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=2EVhStzPEt3C34rz8NhNBK1Qe55+0JXC/kWuVXkxsXo=; b=toaYC9/fI14VU7ADrgaHBHJb/oOEbqjzK8undQEYPuV0fILYtHWAAosw6YumVqjr+Fco4gJG/O1+SaKacAf+Ka36401RiozjAcHDj/TJO4+xQ4mjlafXOUjCVt9ONijQlyX3W7A4oMlhHembrVvbPl7RGtTGpJAQ2Jg541a6oW4=; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=27248 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ULjDz-003Emg-1K; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:00:47 -0600 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:00:43 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: David Thurber Subject: Re: EOL Message-ID: <20130330070043.0f9fa66f@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> References: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:00:55 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:19:02 -0600 David Thurber wrote: > I have 5 XP machines on my node that are used to crunch data 24/7. > So, I'm looking for an OS platform that has a 10 year EOL to replace > XP/3. > if you do not count the service packs and updates, your XP installation is EOL since 2001. If you count service packs and patches, FreeBSD has no defined EOL. All you have to do, is to introduce an update and patch strategy and do it at predefined times. > What I got from your website appears to be a year or two at most on > freebsd 8.3, and we really don't want to repeat the travails of the > transition from 98SE to XP/3 after this one because the research team > will be mostly mid 80's early 90"s by then. It's a lot of data > fetched over the web so we need security updates to keep the OS > secure with minimal interaction. If you would like to stick with x86, I would say that FreeBSD has the smoothest update and upgrade path. If you want something better, you would have to move to AIX or Solaris. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 01:15:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF974FE for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F522B7 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2013 11:45:00 +1030 Message-ID: <51563C91.9090006@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:44:57 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger Subject: Re: external hdd References: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> <150B553F-AED1-45D7-86C9-EB482ED267EC@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <150B553F-AED1-45D7-86C9-EB482ED267EC@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Damien Fleuriot , Laszlo Danielisz , FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:15:01 -0000 On 30/03/2013 09:43, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hi-- > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 29 March 2013 18:06, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>> Time Machine is only supported on top of journaled HFS+; I'm not >>> sure how fusefs-hfs is doing on FreeBSD, though. Or you could >>> setup multiple partitions and have an exFAT partition for data >>> interchange between other OSes. >> >> Now, unless I got things wrong, I believe you're mistaken. > > The key word above which folks might not be paying enough attention > towards-- particularly in the context of a backup solution-- is > "supported". > >> I, for instance, have a Time Machine server running on top of >> 10.0-CURRENT with ZFS. >> http://www.area536.com/projects/ironclad-time-machine-backups-on-freebsd/ > >> > Indeed. As one might note on that page: > > defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1 > ^^^^^^^^^^^ The real point to notice is that the mentioned zfs storage is accessed over the network not over a local usb/sata cable. The freebsd server reads/writes to zfs the remote mac only talks afp over tcp seeing it as another network fileserver. While 10.5 included a zfs read-only kext apple removed it in 10.6 or 10.7. There is an oss version of zfs started that appears to have been revived - maczfs.com. There is also a commercial package for osx zfs - zevo. I'm not vouching for either of these just mentioning that they exist. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 01:49:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21DCDAB for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A5172F for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fj20so881677lab.20 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:49:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=HnefhDP9kwdSTVZyhC4IEYFbrhvmco3WSqcinKL9v8A=; b=nduA7xPekDW+rLMqjWe/gV2C5GB1/OKm4IW+sG2B395IIqkYeiMn8DsX7PDZ+G1z4q ilOE/U1ClCTzNJiuqhy4K6wuO/FCKpb4OK5CUoatYiBQdX1LyC+mbotOJ8v0MLHzeZut Dlpp29tOJmZh4UrS36Fu/dK83rgWQoIHzYsCOpNRY0uK8pGDiBaBV/sfZF0p72C8WDOf lp7LW10uaTDkGo9Qm1CFlimcFyWe6EPmm618WQKxBLbpMKA0nIyCizypyV2plC1sm1Yo xFE3bHuYbFDDndR8GwJvLMaqrWRpm67CijSLWpZDluaNA0ZfuqKS6j0YsMoOSWrQKnNh zTRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.138.198 with SMTP id qs6mr2192071lbb.68.1364608160463; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.144.104 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:49:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51563C91.9090006@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> <150B553F-AED1-45D7-86C9-EB482ED267EC@mac.com> <51563C91.9090006@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:49:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: external hdd From: Damien Fleuriot To: Shane Ambler X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmMuWK36CrjnEf6Ec/2WGXxRlFjkY+J0WyZ7Gb204P6VRK+9gxwSsmwDZC3u0iucbgoEJ4y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Laszlo Danielisz , FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:49:23 -0000 On 30 March 2013 02:14, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 30/03/2013 09:43, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> Hi-- >> >> On Mar 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >>> On 29 March 2013 18:06, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>> >>>> Time Machine is only supported on top of journaled HFS+; I'm not >>>> sure how fusefs-hfs is doing on FreeBSD, though. Or you could >>>> setup multiple partitions and have an exFAT partition for data >>>> interchange between other OSes. >>>> >>> >>> Now, unless I got things wrong, I believe you're mistaken. >>> >> >> The key word above which folks might not be paying enough attention >> towards-- particularly in the context of a backup solution-- is >> "supported". >> >> I, for instance, have a Time Machine server running on top of >>> 10.0-CURRENT with ZFS. >>> http://www.area536.com/**projects/ironclad-time-** >>> machine-backups-on-freebsd/ >>> >> >> >>> Indeed. As one might note on that page: >> >> defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolume >> **s 1 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > > The real point to notice is that the mentioned zfs storage is accessed > over the network not over a local usb/sata cable. The freebsd server > reads/writes to zfs the remote mac only talks afp over tcp seeing it as > another network fileserver. > > While 10.5 included a zfs read-only kext apple removed it in 10.6 or 10.7. > > There is an oss version of zfs started that appears to have been revived - > maczfs.com. > There is also a commercial package for osx zfs - zevo. > I'm not vouching for either of these just mentioning that they exist. > > Aye, I know that. My point is, perhaps that'd be his best bet then ? Attach the USB device to the FreeBSD box, export it over afp. I know that's not really ideal, that's a given. However, this is a solution that allows him to use the disk on fbsd, and still be able to export TM backups. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 01:52:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BDFF38 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614BD769 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z13so662451lbh.41 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FXp7dsiK7Ht7gPtlDIe4/7vtiE2hvxv7IIKaj7KrGYw=; b=cLKxacY+EKdynwjwvaar3H2g6r2qnxWopss9zkFWhzJoyVma0VtplEWA8vVsAg3rRa r6Izgp3x24T2LFacRh2yeIWWPpcYPlEdcIwdLVw0aY2jrdyl21CrFE6aAFVqiw60pBaH BvutnbD3xHIqUYceopwi+KbfTRuIS7rkL6WuQpQwOIBt/D9k5F3/slpLK27LBvKJ5j/N xAqjhZ1yPoAaf23eWXX4eo57SRGgKzdJqom7OnqfP5e4naRzVSIOsruKlHBz990rmeBo SSAtieioRKe0nNiWkts7NgsPK94ayJbxfO6bbC6lczE3xweMCRValAA5uXX+YSjlyjGD yHsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.150.4 with SMTP id ue4mr2238257lbb.28.1364608361684; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.144.104 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <515607C1.2010701@drenet.info> References: <515607C1.2010701@drenet.info> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:52:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proper way to update ports with svn From: Damien Fleuriot To: Andre Goree X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnGQyEHrHaHvKXRE6Zc8k4+eSv9JF2v6MLRxCV9fNUT5pVqGLcFi1vvFO56ChkZ1adSpZ1R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:52:43 -0000 On 29 March 2013 22:29, Andre Goree wrote: > I seem to have to run 'make index' in /usr/ports after I've run 'svn up > /usr/ports' in order to see which ports need to be updated using > 'portversion'. This doesn't seem correct...and if so portsnap would > seem like a much better tool. Perhaps I should be running 'make > fetchindex' instead? I'm sure I've read about the correct way to do so, > but it doesn't appear to be here: > https://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsSubversionPrimer > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > 'make index' looks good to me, it's the right way to do things imo. What bothers you, following 'make index', pkg version output seems dodgy ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 02:34:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2CDA09 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30F34950 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28133 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2013 02:34:42 -0000 Received: from 173.48.104.62 (HELO ?10.2.2.1?) (173.48.104.62) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 02:34:42 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 173.48.104.62 Message-ID: <51564F42.5030404@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:34:42 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: References: <5154D66D.5090407@sneakertech.com> <20130329101210.ff3c4391.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130329101210.ff3c4391.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jeff Belyea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:34:50 -0000 > Personally I'm using FreeBSD _exclusively_ (!) on the desktop > since version 4.0, and I haven't missed _any_ "common desktopy > thing" that is required for my daily work. I was referring to general intent when I wrote that. For example, bsd has poor support for things like sleep/suspend/hibernate. While desktops and laptops would certainly take advantage of those things, severs generally don't, so fixing it has traditionally been low priority. In contrast, linux has that working out of the box on almost all hardware. Likewise in my experience a number of other home-use things like laptop wifi are generally better supported under linux. A similar situation exists for software, especially non-business software and oddball utilities. On bsd you can usually find something to do what you need, but you'll often be limited to one or two choices, whereas with linux you might have half a dozen. (Whether all these packages are GOOD or not is a separate issue :) I'm not saying that bsd *can't* be used for a home desktop, it certainly can, but it was never aimed at the grandma+laptop market and the hardware support and software selection reflects that. But I don't hold that against bsd. You can't be all things to all people, bsd is very good for servers and linux is good for home use, and they each have their place. ______________________________________ it has a certain smooth-brained appeal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 05:07:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6F76B7 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 102C7174 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2013 05:06:53 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.100] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2013 05:06:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2013 05:06:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1364620013; bh=YVQRnn9it+NX8Xn6e3p34SK4pu+CsAqAUPAAFnABh8A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3S212tRr4N1Yxjergwg96g4T5vASmUnWKjZ/HYvNXHJ3LOY3lRU5NYx4V2GXeUqmTgNaNdiz08m0oLiK59mBTpfJfJyewd1Tt6Kw75zpQtc6TL6FgxbIvorlcIV4iL3FW+QcQH1TRjDlgBMqEq8m8tjPhUptNvNE8lQIYj3vR8c= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 754334.40777.bm@smtp116.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: flDTtXsVM1kEzldUDRFl8a0xB1z7IcBD_L5S_2QoDcwgO5O RrsFYEDeIF.sa2S.FdpEJrENzxjYza7wm5WywSolAsM71sXNn_lGH.etjVAs _w1lAYx61Nsmaea8G9s.1dRw1lAedXKIIMyvGkVuggbPqnE2cu6f1kr.CyKG 8nNIOqJ_XIFPS8Rq3MsQnwbc8Olq8ishV2yIqzPLSP_mrSNh24cI9NQafq6d 1SOb.IvY3xUrMEw7I3pdnjgiyFBZ4Hx1RMIdqGfpMqZhqDmbitNubrsu.m6w kNgS714gEZxcuhTIxfWPit4IOTxNSzup8kc7nOyDjYD3p09l5AFhW2FNvWJu xu5DHbfky2F4CBzztnf63cOvoJ1JGH_eskV1fGyTvdqD6lnEY6AupeaKvwGG rRMkRPBXqaslBNLdVfuL3brAa27LKF18ywY9JKQYkMhsl6IxzTjTS9Nre7w- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: QwgFOT2swBC9RbEk7L61j8D8oTJpwuBOkZBcLzY- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.10] (laszlo_danielisz@89.133.20.225 with plain) by smtp116.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2013 22:06:53 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:06:52 +0100 From: Laszlo Danielisz To: "=?utf-8?Q?freebsd-questions=40freebsd.org?=" Message-ID: <913D8F4BA0E040959CB917664BAC188C@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> References: <6B60EA1E-0277-499A-917A-AA2B3030F0FD@mac.com> Subject: Re: external hdd X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1176) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:07:02 -0000 Thank you Chuck! I've tried fusefs-hfs a couple months ago and wasn't working very well. So yeah, I might create some DOS partition to be shared. Regards, Laszlo -- Laszlo Danielisz On 2013 March 29 Friday at 6:06 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Mar 28, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Laszlo Danielisz wrote: > > If I'm sharing an external 1TB HDD with FreeBSD and OS-X (I wan to use Time Machine), what is the best file system to use? > > > Time Machine is only supported on top of journaled HFS+; I'm not sure how fusefs-hfs is doing on FreeBSD, though. Or you could setup multiple partitions and have an exFAT partition for data interchange between other OSes. > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org (mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org)" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 05:59:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD718EAA for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448DD26A for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21864 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 05:59:10 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 05:59:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=51567f2e.xn--3zv.k1303; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=iLUINlhT+ztUJy0A92AXZxEvj38tUmlD6rl73wtWNus=; b=kpp4Kjs3bY/nyNsyglTbPryv5BclZMSySPiIWdPpLe10vzQ+ANAE+MJkJBsDT/33Pnvp4I2rHZYL/dvSX0wUyxEZ8rC50ZQnPUNlL1QTIBHo/vG590EroVX0/Zp8CTPl0LJ5yinRtAaXbO0KdyOPWdrus1GagkJTsGf2+Jj2z3M= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 30 Mar 2013 05:58:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20130330055847.26015.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Portsnap gets ports that claim to be out of date Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:59:11 -0000 When I do portsnap update and try building stuff, I get errors like this: "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5: warning: You are using a ports file that originated from CVS!! "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6: warning: The FreeBSD project has switched from CVS to SubVersion. "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 7: warning: This CVS repository is NO LONGER UPDATED! If you see this "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 8: warning: message then your tree is STALE and you need to follow "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 9: warning: the update instructions to receive any more updates. I'm not using CVS, I'm using portsnap. Any ideas? It's a 9.1 system, fully up to date as far as I know. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 06:30:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019E1FE7 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85712D2 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA3F5E3CF for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:30:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.986 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.986 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 56x7E1UIbrS4 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:30:23 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (unknown [195.216.53.111]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A36C5E47B for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:30:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5156867D.4040807@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:30:21 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130309 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Moving to pkg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:30:33 -0000 I've done pkg2ng and added WITH_PKGNG=yes to /etc/make.conf When I do portsnap fetch update and pkg_version -vIL= To check which ports needs updating, I now get a message for all installed ports that the info are corrupt. Like this pkg_version: the package info for package 'zip-3.0' is corrupt Have I missed something? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 07:22:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738D4608 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:22:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137C63DC for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:22:05 +0000 (UTC) X-RZG-AUTH: :OXsBVUypbfpT6qxpIFUXA72d7klbo3z+ohMFzEPVuWT56YFpfG4qEgE= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from [192.168.23.205] (37-4-13-32-dynip.superkabel.de [37.4.13.32]) by smtp.strato.de (jorabe mo8) (RZmta 31.23 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPA id f01d5cp2U4vO0u for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:21:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <51569294.3080603@laverenz.de> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:21:56 +0100 From: Uwe Laverenz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EOL References: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> In-Reply-To: <5155B0E6.9030303@thurber.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:22:06 -0000 Am 29.03.2013 16:19, schrieb David Thurber: > I have 5 XP machines on my node that are used to crunch data 24/7. So, > I'm looking for an OS platform that has a 10 year EOL to replace XP/3. RHEL: > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2012/1/red-hat-enterprise-linux-stability-drives-demand-for-more-flexibility-in-long-term-operating-system-deployments If you don't need/want support, there is CentOS (a RHEL clone): > http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-fe8a0be91ee3e7dea812e8694491e1dde5b75e6d And another RHEL clone: > https://www.scientificlinux.org/ cu, Uwe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 07:38:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DD5A0A for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5E3632 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2U7cKGl002466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:38:20 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2U7cKGl002466 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2U7cKGl002466; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) Message-ID: <5156966C.9060300@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:38:20 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving to pkg References: <5156867D.4040807@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <5156867D.4040807@eskk.nu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2CNQNKTINWTGGQNWGXDMC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:38:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2CNQNKTINWTGGQNWGXDMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30/03/2013 06:30, Leslie Jensen wrote: >=20 > I've done pkg2ng and added WITH_PKGNG=3Dyes to /etc/make.conf >=20 > When I do >=20 > portsnap fetch update > and > pkg_version -vIL=3D >=20 > To check which ports needs updating, I now get a message for all > installed ports that the info are corrupt. >=20 > Like this >=20 > pkg_version: the package info for package 'zip-3.0' is corrupt >=20 >=20 > Have I missed something? Yes. In a pkgng-ized world, 'pkg_version' is redundant. Instead use: pkg version -vIL=3D (note: no underscore character) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ------enig2CNQNKTINWTGGQNWGXDMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFWlmwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIw06QCdGTyksh4ErBaoDJ/78HftaOXT piwAniIXHNcwO5YklKewduDSvmUN43wZ =xe/U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2CNQNKTINWTGGQNWGXDMC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 08:13:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652ACEEA for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2664B6FA for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULqv9-0003Eh-0Y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:13:51 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.84.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:13:51 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:13:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: Portsnap gets ports that claim to be out of date Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 04:13:09 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20130330055847.26015.qmail@joyce.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:13:32 -0000 John Levine wrote: > When I do portsnap update and try building stuff, I get errors like this: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 5: warning: You are using a ports file that > originated from CVS!! "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6: warning: The FreeBSD > project has switched from CVS to SubVersion. > "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 7: warning: This CVS repository is NO LONGER > UPDATED! If you see this "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 8: warning: message then > your tree is STALE and you need to follow "Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 9: > warning: the update instructions to receive any more updates. > > I'm not using CVS, I'm using portsnap. Any ideas? It's a 9.1 system, > fully up to date as far as I know. > Have you tried doing: portsnap fetch update instead of portsnap update? -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 08:17:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0D1FA2 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82820717 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5503F3AD8F for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Ah crap! pkg_version: the package info for package '...' is corrupt Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <10944.1364631449@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:17:40 -0000 Today my system crashed twice while I was doing "portupgrade -a". I'm not sure but I suspect the new cards I have installed recently may just be a bit too much for the old power supply I have. (When the thing crashed, the machine just simply shut itself off. This exact same thing has also happened a couple of other times in the past week.) I'll deal with the power issue soon, but right now I am more worried about this new, different, and additional problem I seem to have created for myself. When I run pkg_version, I am getting a bunch of messages of the following general form: pkg_version: the package info for package 'PKG' is corrupt where `PKG' is the name of some package or another that I have installed. I have at least 6 such messages for different packages I have installed... and probably more. I googled around a bit and did not find any good explanation for the above error or, more importantly, what to do about it. I gather however that my package data base has become corrupted. OK, so how does one rebuild that from scratch? Please don't tell me that I have to reinstall every bleedin' port from scratch! Regards, rfg P.S. Oh! I just remembered. I made a full system backup quite recently... thank god. Do I just simply need to get the entire contents of /var/db/pkg/ from that and then do "rm -fr /var/db/pkg" and then copy my backup copy of /var/db/pkg to the real /var/db/pkg ? Hummm.. that won't reflect the several things that _did_ managed to get updated, you know, before my system crashed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 08:38:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5D2532 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B847B4 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2U8cBCL004156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:38:11 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2U8cBCL004156 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2U8cBCL004156; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) Message-ID: <5156A473.4030501@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:38:11 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ah crap! pkg_version: the package info for package '...' is corrupt References: <10944.1364631449@server1.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <10944.1364631449@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2OOQAASWDJRKSNFOVRREN" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:38:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2OOQAASWDJRKSNFOVRREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30/03/2013 08:17, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >=20 >=20 > Today my system crashed twice while I was doing "portupgrade -a". >=20 > I'm not sure but I suspect the new cards I have installed recently may > just be a bit too much for the old power supply I have. (When the thin= g > crashed, the machine just simply shut itself off. This exact same thin= g > has also happened a couple of other times in the past week.) >=20 > I'll deal with the power issue soon, but right now I am more worried ab= out > this new, different, and additional problem I seem to have created for > myself. When I run pkg_version, I am getting a bunch of messages of > the following general form: >=20 > pkg_version: the package info for package 'PKG' is corrupt >=20 > where `PKG' is the name of some package or another that I have installe= d. >=20 > I have at least 6 such messages for different packages I have installed= =2E.. > and probably more. Are you using pkgng? If so, you'll get the "'PKG' is corrupt" message for everything when you use pkg_version. That's because on a pkgng-ized you should instead be using 'pkg version'. Same command flags, just s/_/ /. > I googled around a bit and did not find any good explanation for the > above error or, more importantly, what to do about it. >=20 > I gather however that my package data base has become corrupted. >=20 > OK, so how does one rebuild that from scratch? >=20 > Please don't tell me that I have to reinstall every bleedin' port from > scratch! >=20 >=20 > Regards, > rfg >=20 >=20 > P.S. Oh! I just remembered. I made a full system backup quite recent= ly... > thank god. Do I just simply need to get the entire contents of /var/db= /pkg/ > from that and then do "rm -fr /var/db/pkg" and then copy my backup copy= > of /var/db/pkg to the real /var/db/pkg ? >=20 > Hummm.. that won't reflect the several things that _did_ managed to get= > updated, you know, before my system crashed. Assuming you *aren't* on a pkgng-ized system: If you have a recent backup of /var/db/pkg then you should restore from there. If you installed or updated any ports between taking the backup and the crash, then reinstalling those ports will fixup the /var/db/pkg entries for them. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ------enig2OOQAASWDJRKSNFOVRREN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFWpHMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwwQACggkpX4HoB/2fzg7pOPMRUW4kv LhcAmwUz9KIOCYU+mwr9CjTS5QyB3ABH =q0dg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2OOQAASWDJRKSNFOVRREN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 10:02:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8689F119 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F11AAD for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-80-247.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.80.247]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2FC25119; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:02:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2UA2DuN001948; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:02:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:02:13 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20130330110213.ec533547.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <51564F42.5030404@sneakertech.com> References: <5154D66D.5090407@sneakertech.com> <20130329101210.ff3c4391.freebsd@edvax.de> <51564F42.5030404@sneakertech.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jeff Belyea X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:02:09 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:34:42 -0400, Quartz wrote: > > > Personally I'm using FreeBSD _exclusively_ (!) on the desktop > > since version 4.0, and I haven't missed _any_ "common desktopy > > thing" that is required for my daily work. > > I was referring to general intent when I wrote that. For example, bsd > has poor support for things like sleep/suspend/hibernate. Okay, that is something I would not have suggested with "desktop" in the first place. Of course the support in regards of ACPI is limited. This is primarily because manufacturers don't seem to agree how to standardize things, and instead rely on closed-source drivers which are only developed for "Windows" (which is a financial decision, so fully valid for them). I've been lucky to only own hardware with good support, I may say IBM / Lenovo laptops, T and R series, various models, offer this functionality in a usable manner (with acpi_ibm.ko support). What would be considered the same "circle of problems" is when you have a laptop and a docking station, and you remove it while running, or you put it on the station, and now you expect network to "switch over", like audio and PS/2 keyboard, and maybe the screen too... but in some cases, all you get is a system freeze (to prevent worse things). If you select a good laptop model before purchasing it, or if you have the chance to do some testing prior to the purchase, you might be lucky that everything works. In the past, when APM has been fully functional, it has been abolished by ACPI. I fear if "everything" ACPI-related should work perfectly, it will be obsoleted by OEM-specific UEFI implementations. :-( So when you are in the happy situation of "not having bought the hardware yet", do some inquiries and investigation. If you have already purchased a device, _try_ something else, and keep in mind that the manufacturer disagrees with what you're doing. :-) > While desktops > and laptops would certainly take advantage of those things, severs > generally don't, so fixing it has traditionally been low priority. In > contrast, linux has that working out of the box on almost all hardware. > Likewise in my experience a number of other home-use things like laptop > wifi are generally better supported under linux. I can agree with that, it's also my observation. Still it seems to depend on what Linux distribution you use, as they usually don't provide a "one distro for all kinds of system", so there are server distros, desktop distros and laptop distros (or variations of one distro). Trial & error is possible due to the fact that many of them offer a bootable system that can be used to check support and functionality. > A similar situation exists for software, especially non-business > software and oddball utilities. On bsd you can usually find something to > do what you need, but you'll often be limited to one or two choices, > whereas with linux you might have half a dozen. (Whether all these > packages are GOOD or not is a separate issue :) I don't see the issue you're claiming. On FreeBSD, you can run (almost) all the Linux programs, so no problem here. :-) What you might find is that more and more software is developed for Linux "exclusively", taking advantage of "Linuxisms" that are not portable, so porting them to other systems like the BSDs is much more work, or maybe even impossible. In the Linux world, infrastructures chance often, they are different between the many distributions, be it system bootstrapping, package management, preferred (and supported) desktop environments and so on. For example, I've been running Linux and even "Windows" games on my FreeBSD home desktop without any problem (and I'm talking about 3D-intensive shooters here). There basically was no work I needed to invest to "cross a border". > I'm not saying that bsd *can't* be used for a home desktop, it certainly > can, but it was never aimed at the grandma+laptop market and the > hardware support and software selection reflects that. This is the case where PC-BSD comes into play. With the availability of live system CDs or USB media, it's not hard to simply try out things without damaging some installed "Windows" - a feature that emphasizes how non-invasive Linux and BSD treats their users. > But I don't hold > that against bsd. You can't be all things to all people, bsd is very > good for servers and linux is good for home use, and they each have > their place. In the end, all of them are just tools. The usefulness of a tool highly depends on the task you want to apply it to. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 10:14:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05932568 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C100FB0E for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULso9-00070z-PG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:45 +0000 Received: from cpc2-aztw9-0-0-cust169.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com ([77.97.103.170] helo=zzz.men.bris.ac.uk) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULso9-0000FP-0k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:45 +0000 Received: from zzz.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2UAEiRa081672 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:44 GMT (envelope-from mexas@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by zzz.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2UAEi1W081669 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:44 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:44 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201303301014.r2UAEi1W081669@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help In-Reply-To: <20130329153619.69c5b4dd@scorpio> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT Anton Shterenlikht articulated: > Please help debug sendmail / smtp.gmail config. > > My University just switched to gmail (dickheads) > and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. > > It used to work ok with the University smtp auth > server. Now I get in /var/log/maillog: > > sm-mta[72300]: r2TI0vQc072134: to=, > ctladdr= (1001/1001), > delay=00:20:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=210424, > relay=smtp.gmail.com, dsn=4.0.0, > stat=Deferred: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com > > I switched the firewall off completely. > > I have: > > # cat /etc/mail/auth/client-info > AuthInfo:smtp.gmail.com "U:root" "I:mexas@bristol.ac.uk" "P:xxxxx" > # > > and this in /etc/mail/freebsd.mc: > > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.gmail.com')dnl > > I rebuilt (run make under /etc/mail. This just > renames freebsd.mc to .mc, and freebsd.submit.mc > to .submit.mc) and restarted sendmail. > > I also use: > > MASQUERADE_AS(`bristol.ac.uk') > MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`bristol.ac.uk') > > to use the university domain instead of > may xxxx.men.bris.ac.uk, which is not > acceptable. Try this at the command line: openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:25 -starttls smtp If it times out, change the port number to 587 and try it again. If you cannot make a connect using either port number then you have a firewall problem. Thank you, I get: $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:25 -starttls smtp connect: Operation timed out connect:errno=60 $ $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:587 -starttls smtp CONNECTED(00000003) depth=1 C = US, O = Google Inc, CN = Google Internet Authority verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate verify return:0 --- Certificate chain 0 s:/C=US/ST=California/L=Mountain View/O=Google Inc/CN=smtp.gmail.com i:/C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet Authority 1 s:/C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet Authority i:/C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority --- Server certificate -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- MIIDgDCCAumgAwIBAgIKO3T/ewAAAABoqDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADBGMQswCQYD VQQGEwJVUzETMBEGA1UEChMKR29vZ2xlIEluYzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZR29vZ2xlIElu dGVybmV0IEF1dGhvcml0eTAeFw0xMjA5MTIxMTU3NTBaFw0xMzA2MDcxOTQzMjda MGgxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRMwEQYDVQQIEwpDYWxpZm9ybmlhMRYwFAYDVQQHEw1N b3VudGFpbiBWaWV3MRMwEQYDVQQKEwpHb29nbGUgSW5jMRcwFQYDVQQDEw5zbXRw LmdtYWlsLmNvbTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAv0UvQmjW1y96 cOK6AdQVEYPRd3ZQ9UhxkKfuVaYS9riOESFkWxkz+b3Ts/EOA5SY8axkaJS7Qa/v N7laztYY8tTkx9Ml+eCY4xh0fFq9z4/WWADGqTY5I0wvqjZr+jBuYGulK1fU4ZUS QpuZMMO9x7Bmr5LVP9C5r2qnoqtMtJUCAwEAAaOCAVEwggFNMB0GA1UdJQQWMBQG CCsGAQUFBwMBBggrBgEFBQcDAjAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUaCtARMZ9urIDfdpR6v1AkQsr 44owHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUv8Aw6/VDET5nup6R+/xq2uNrEiQwWwYDVR0fBFQwUjBQ oE6gTIZKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5nc3RhdGljLmNvbS9Hb29nbGVJbnRlcm5ldEF1dGhv cml0eS9Hb29nbGVJbnRlcm5ldEF1dGhvcml0eS5jcmwwZgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEWjBY MFYGCCsGAQUFBzAChkpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmdzdGF0aWMuY29tL0dvb2dsZUludGVy bmV0QXV0aG9yaXR5L0dvb2dsZUludGVybmV0QXV0aG9yaXR5LmNydDAMBgNVHRMB Af8EAjAAMBkGA1UdEQQSMBCCDnNtdHAuZ21haWwuY29tMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA A4GBADSkwmtEUhy/AhX2sIULT0Q5S9OlfKxbyE8hEc8nxls3jbk5yKZYd35Bzyy8 raoUPFuD3IH+zP/FGj5LPQirjnJLUvuFDsiM4eowPUthQad9SGWWdz6hCx8HpEUZ 1ssGnwb3HX34e9RH57v9LdtVUPdFYQsBJ36miGPylWk6r0xx -----END CERTIFICATE----- subject=/C=US/ST=California/L=Mountain View/O=Google Inc/CN=smtp.gmail.com issuer=/C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet Authority --- No client certificate CA names sent --- SSL handshake has read 2317 bytes and written 476 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA Server public key is 1024 bit Secure Renegotiation IS supported Compression: NONE Expansion: NONE SSL-Session: Protocol : TLSv1.2 Cipher : ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA Session-ID: 8CAF4204FADB72F58FA6334A62F65B7182EF06F3C9AD8042FD44B9F726E8C9D5 Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: 45312AE23341AAFA1414BDDD30740E4FB40655986FD410A606CD351206BBAC5E5496F77DDF4DBE32B0E9B7E7FFA1057 Key-Arg : None PSK identity: None PSK identity hint: None SRP username: None TLS session ticket lifetime hint: 100800 (seconds) TLS session ticket: 0000 - 63 53 11 b3 92 0d 59 63-15 90 58 10 84 f2 f7 6a cS....Yc..X....j 0010 - 7c 7c 62 96 c5 3d cb 52-ca 32 2d 97 de 51 10 6d ||b..=.R.2-..Q.m 0020 - d2 97 ca 69 f8 cf 3d 6e-c9 60 73 3a 49 3a 4a 74 ...i..=n.`s:I:Jt 0030 - 88 ee 2c b0 75 4d 5b 61-56 a4 fe e3 42 56 7c 2d ..,.uM[aV...BV|- 0040 - 70 db e2 d7 5d 84 bd 88-06 7c c2 96 19 53 d0 58 p...]....|...S.X 0050 - f9 6a fb dd 3a 7b 73 3e-f9 bc 6d b1 ac 6a 63 13 .j..:{s>..m..jc. 0060 - 64 b8 be 1f b8 fd 05 da-7d 87 63 a4 53 6e 3a 55 d.......}.c.Sn:U 0070 - fe 73 f6 05 63 9a c6 c9-da cb 6c 4e ce 1d 1f a1 .s..c.....lN.... 0080 - 07 12 0b c7 d1 ce 71 5a-f1 2c b4 a9 20 32 e2 64 ......qZ.,.. 2.d 0090 - 49 fd 77 41 I.wA Start Time: 1364638180 Timeout : 300 (sec) Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) --- 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES ^C $ The university IT support page: http://www.bristol.ac.uk/it-services/applications/email/gmail/manual-config-gmail.html actually says that port 465 SSL should be used, so I also tried: $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -starttls smtp CONNECTED(00000003) ^C $ Not sure what to make of this. Is the port set by sendmail config files? Many thanks for your help Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 10:49:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EEFB10 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A94CB5 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2UAnqBw006163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:52 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.0 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r2UAnqBw006163 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r2UAnqBw006163; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) Message-ID: <5156C349.9010004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:45 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help References: <201303301014.r2UAEi1W081669@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <201303301014.r2UAEi1W081669@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2DKGFXRGLCAKPFFLHKFFH" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2DKGFXRGLCAKPFFLHKFFH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30/03/2013 10:14, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > The university IT support page: > http://www.bristol.ac.uk/it-services/applications/email/gmail/manual-co= nfig-gmail.html >=20 > actually says that port 465 SSL should be used, > so I also tried: >=20 > $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -starttls smtp > CONNECTED(00000003) > ^C > $=20 >=20 > Not sure what to make of this. >=20 > Is the port set by sendmail config files? >=20 > Many thanks for your help >=20 Port 465 wouldn't use STARTTLS -- it requires SSL straight away. Try: % openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 If it works you should see output to do with setting up session keys etc.= However, SMTP on port 465 seems to be mostly a windows thing, and generally discouraged -- use of STARTTLS or equivalent to allow both SSL and plaintext without having to allocate a separate port for SSL is preferred. I'm pretty sure that gmail does support STARTTLS... > $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:587 -starttls smtp > CONNECTED(00000003) > depth=3D1 C =3D US, O =3D Google Inc, CN =3D Google Internet Authority > verify error:num=3D20:unable to get local issuer certificate > verify return:0 > --- > Certificate chain > 0 s:/C=3DUS/ST=3DCalifornia/L=3DMountain View/O=3DGoogle Inc/CN=3Dsmtp= =2Egmail.com > i:/C=3DUS/O=3DGoogle Inc/CN=3DGoogle Internet Authority > 1 s:/C=3DUS/O=3DGoogle Inc/CN=3DGoogle Internet Authority > i:/C=3DUS/O=3DEquifax/OU=3DEquifax Secure Certificate Authority > --- Given you're seeing that CONNECTED message there, it certainly does. The problem with that openssl command seems to be the 'unable to get local issuer certificate' part. That's possibly openssl being pickier about verifying certs than sendmail would be, but that certificate verification step is probably where you're coming adrift. You need to have the intermediate certs used by Google in your cacert.pem file, so sendmail will trust the smtp.gmail.com cert. Check the 'confCACERT' setting in your sendmail.mc. I have a block of code like this: define(`CERT_DIR', `MAIL_SETTINGS_DIR`'certs')dnl define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/cacert.pem')dnl define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl which allows me to put all the keys and certs in /etc/mail/certs/ Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v48sm8852799yhi.26.2013.03.30.04.34.08 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Mar 2013 04:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZdHlL6wfKz2CG4t for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:34:06 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help Message-ID: <20130330073406.45d5593e@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201303301014.r2UAEi1W081669@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20130329153619.69c5b4dd@scorpio> <201303301014.r2UAEi1W081669@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk+Odn4PcL9Kj9+m/+uDT4Y1DnVyKDPa6Z37YVdvqv4lM1RPtkSM/hf+pQhQeBisYlEnBY5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:34:10 -0000 On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:44 GMT Anton Shterenlikht articulated: > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:19 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please > help > > On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT > Anton Shterenlikht articulated: > > > Please help debug sendmail / smtp.gmail config. > > > > My University just switched to gmail (dickheads) > > and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. > > > > It used to work ok with the University smtp auth > > server. Now I get in /var/log/maillog: > > > > sm-mta[72300]: r2TI0vQc072134: to=, > > ctladdr= (1001/1001), > > delay=00:20:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=210424, > > relay=smtp.gmail.com, dsn=4.0.0, > > stat=Deferred: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com > > > > I switched the firewall off completely. > > > > I have: > > > > # cat /etc/mail/auth/client-info > > AuthInfo:smtp.gmail.com "U:root" "I:mexas@bristol.ac.uk" > > "P:xxxxx" # > > > > and this in /etc/mail/freebsd.mc: > > > > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 > > LOGIN')dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.gmail.com')dnl > > > > I rebuilt (run make under /etc/mail. This just > > renames freebsd.mc to .mc, and freebsd.submit.mc > > to .submit.mc) and restarted sendmail. > > > > I also use: > > > > MASQUERADE_AS(`bristol.ac.uk') > > MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`bristol.ac.uk') > > > > to use the university domain instead of > > may xxxx.men.bris.ac.uk, which is not > > acceptable. > > Try this at the command line: > > openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:25 -starttls smtp > > If it times out, change the port number to 587 and try it > again. If you cannot make a connect using either port number then you > have a firewall problem. > > Thank you, I get: > > $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:25 -starttls smtp > connect: Operation timed out > connect:errno=60 > $ > > $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:587 -starttls smtp > CONNECTED(00000003) > depth=1 C = US, O = Google Inc, CN = Google Internet Authority > verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate > verify return:0 > --- > Certificate chain > 0 s:/C=US/ST=California/L=Mountain View/O=Google > Inc/CN=smtp.gmail.com i:/C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet > Authority 1 s:/C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet Authority > i:/C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority > --- > Server certificate > -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- > MIIDgDCCAumgAwIBAgIKO3T/ewAAAABoqDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADBGMQswCQYD > VQQGEwJVUzETMBEGA1UEChMKR29vZ2xlIEluYzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZR29vZ2xlIElu > dGVybmV0IEF1dGhvcml0eTAeFw0xMjA5MTIxMTU3NTBaFw0xMzA2MDcxOTQzMjda > MGgxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRMwEQYDVQQIEwpDYWxpZm9ybmlhMRYwFAYDVQQHEw1N > b3VudGFpbiBWaWV3MRMwEQYDVQQKEwpHb29nbGUgSW5jMRcwFQYDVQQDEw5zbXRw > LmdtYWlsLmNvbTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAv0UvQmjW1y96 > cOK6AdQVEYPRd3ZQ9UhxkKfuVaYS9riOESFkWxkz+b3Ts/EOA5SY8axkaJS7Qa/v > N7laztYY8tTkx9Ml+eCY4xh0fFq9z4/WWADGqTY5I0wvqjZr+jBuYGulK1fU4ZUS > QpuZMMO9x7Bmr5LVP9C5r2qnoqtMtJUCAwEAAaOCAVEwggFNMB0GA1UdJQQWMBQG > CCsGAQUFBwMBBggrBgEFBQcDAjAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUaCtARMZ9urIDfdpR6v1AkQsr > 44owHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUv8Aw6/VDET5nup6R+/xq2uNrEiQwWwYDVR0fBFQwUjBQ > oE6gTIZKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5nc3RhdGljLmNvbS9Hb29nbGVJbnRlcm5ldEF1dGhv > cml0eS9Hb29nbGVJbnRlcm5ldEF1dGhvcml0eS5jcmwwZgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEWjBY > MFYGCCsGAQUFBzAChkpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmdzdGF0aWMuY29tL0dvb2dsZUludGVy > bmV0QXV0aG9yaXR5L0dvb2dsZUludGVybmV0QXV0aG9yaXR5LmNydDAMBgNVHRMB > Af8EAjAAMBkGA1UdEQQSMBCCDnNtdHAuZ21haWwuY29tMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA > A4GBADSkwmtEUhy/AhX2sIULT0Q5S9OlfKxbyE8hEc8nxls3jbk5yKZYd35Bzyy8 > raoUPFuD3IH+zP/FGj5LPQirjnJLUvuFDsiM4eowPUthQad9SGWWdz6hCx8HpEUZ > 1ssGnwb3HX34e9RH57v9LdtVUPdFYQsBJ36miGPylWk6r0xx > -----END CERTIFICATE----- > subject=/C=US/ST=California/L=Mountain View/O=Google > Inc/CN=smtp.gmail.com issuer=/C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet > Authority --- > No client certificate CA names sent > --- > SSL handshake has read 2317 bytes and written 476 bytes > --- > New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA > Server public key is 1024 bit > Secure Renegotiation IS supported > Compression: NONE > Expansion: NONE > SSL-Session: > Protocol : TLSv1.2 > Cipher : ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA > Session-ID: > 8CAF4204FADB72F58FA6334A62F65B7182EF06F3C9AD8042FD44B9F726E8C9D5 > Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: > 45312AE23341AAFA1414BDDD30740E4FB40655986FD410A606CD351206BBAC5E5496F77DDF4DBE32B0E9B7E7FFA1057 > Key-Arg : None PSK identity: None > PSK identity hint: None > SRP username: None > TLS session ticket lifetime hint: 100800 (seconds) > TLS session ticket: > 0000 - 63 53 11 b3 92 0d 59 63-15 90 58 10 84 f2 f7 6a > cS....Yc..X....j 0010 - 7c 7c 62 96 c5 3d cb 52-ca 32 2d 97 de 51 10 > 6d ||b..=.R.2-..Q.m 0020 - d2 97 ca 69 f8 cf 3d 6e-c9 60 73 3a 49 > 3a 4a 74 ...i..=n.`s:I:Jt 0030 - 88 ee 2c b0 75 4d 5b 61-56 a4 fe > e3 42 56 7c 2d ..,.uM[aV...BV|- 0040 - 70 db e2 d7 5d 84 bd 88-06 > 7c c2 96 19 53 d0 58 p...]....|...S.X 0050 - f9 6a fb dd 3a 7b 73 > 3e-f9 bc 6d b1 ac 6a 63 13 .j..:{s>..m..jc. 0060 - 64 b8 be 1f b8 > fd 05 da-7d 87 63 a4 53 6e 3a 55 d.......}.c.Sn:U 0070 - fe 73 f6 > 05 63 9a c6 c9-da cb 6c 4e ce 1d 1f a1 .s..c.....lN.... 0080 - 07 > 12 0b c7 d1 ce 71 5a-f1 2c b4 a9 20 32 e2 64 ......qZ.,.. 2.d 0090 > - 49 fd 77 41 I.wA > > Start Time: 1364638180 > Timeout : 300 (sec) > Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) > --- > 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > ^C > $ > > The university IT support page: > http://www.bristol.ac.uk/it-services/applications/email/gmail/manual-config-gmail.html > > actually says that port 465 SSL should be used, > so I also tried: > > $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -starttls smtp > CONNECTED(00000003) > ^C > $ > > Not sure what to make of this. > > Is the port set by sendmail config files? > > Many thanks for your help It seems quite simple to me. A firewall (yours/university/whatever) is blocking port 25. Use port 587. I don't know who wrote that manual you referenced above, but they are on drugs. Gmail is perfectly workable with either port 25 or 587, assuming that the one you choose is not being blocked. GMAIL uses STATTTLS for its SMTP server. I use Postfix, and connect with Gmail on either port using TLS aka STARTTLS. By the way, "openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -ssl3" will connect, but why use it. Your example using "-starttls" hangs after the connection because port 465 does not support "TLS". Port 465, is a depreciated method that was never supported via RFC. Only MS Outlook and early versions of Thunderbird supported it. It has been dead since at least 2003. Use port 587 and save yourself a lot of grief. You will need "TLS" on that port. How to configure Sendmail is beyond my pay scale. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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[89.99.199.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm2843744wiz.10.2013.03.30.04.40.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Mar 2013 04:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5156CF14.6000208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:40:04 +0100 From: Andrei Brezan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130321 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: databases/mysql55 to databases/mariadb References: <515442B4.1070906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:40:08 -0000 On 03/28/13 19:05, Michael Powell wrote: > Andrei Brezan wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> Is there a make.conf option that I can use to replace >> mysql55-[server,client] with mariadb55-[server,client] or i need to use >> for example pkg set -o >> databases/mysql55-client:databases/mariadb55-client? >> >> What happens if I want to use one port with mysql dependency and another >> one with mariadb as dependency? This is just a theoretical question, I >> don't have such a requirement, yet. >> >> All this is on 9.1-RELEASE but I think applies to different versions too. >> > > Look at: /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.database.mk I only perused it briefly, but I > think you want something such as MYSQL_VER=55m. The 'm', or 'p' suffix > switches to either MariaDB or PostgreSQL if I understand correctly. > > At any rate, this is the file that controls this. If it doesn't work > (possibly I've got it wrong), I'd suggest a PR to get it added in. > > -Mike > Hi Mike, Why I'm trying to put this in make.conf is for poudriere to build a local repo. It seems that I needed to add WITH_MYSQL_VER=55m for eg security/amavisd-new to grab maria instead of my. Also what i've noticed is that 'p' as a suffix is for percona. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w69sm8923947yhe.4.2013.03.30.04.49.31 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Mar 2013 04:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZdJ570jfxz2CG4t for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:49:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help Message-ID: <20130330074919.7902b8c2@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <5156C349.9010004@FreeBSD.org> References: <201303301014.r2UAEi1W081669@zzz.men.bris.ac.uk> <5156C349.9010004@FreeBSD.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/MU1rI9/nMOeeM0dQeh3wCld"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlLRHRdUCqzeG/M7NvgttxquNFTALs13ksD7dq4WYOfcnbGmmMx5Pe7lNPMCqJpR4Ciftz8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:56:26 -0000 --Sig_/MU1rI9/nMOeeM0dQeh3wCld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:45 +0000 Matthew Seaman articulated: > Given you're seeing that CONNECTED message there, it certainly does. > The problem with that openssl command seems to be the 'unable to get > local issuer certificate' part. That's possibly openssl being pickier > about verifying certs than sendmail would be, but that certificate > verification step is probably where you're coming adrift. You need to > have the intermediate certs used by Google in your cacert.pem file, so > sendmail will trust the smtp.gmail.com cert. Check the 'confCACERT' > setting in your sendmail.mc. I have a block of code like this: >=20 > define(`CERT_DIR', `MAIL_SETTINGS_DIR`'certs')dnl > define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl > define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/cacert.pem')dnl > define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl > define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl > define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl > define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl >=20 > which allows me to put all the keys and certs in /etc/mail/certs/ If you really need the Gmail certs, you can use this to get them: openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:587 -starttls smtp -showcerts If you feel you really need the "Equifax Secure Certificate Authority" pem, go here and download it. Again, how to set up Sendmail is a task I leave for the student. --=20 Jerry =E2=99=94 Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ --Sig_/MU1rI9/nMOeeM0dQeh3wCld Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRVtFKAAoJEF2rWD2do7dNzAIH/jVcpNtv2/rFedJlfMofpkO1 hsoL6oSJmjtCCS7uITe1W2a9qyfbG+FTndC9HVyKfgly4RoOnXnpP08Rjhp+aKce 00qybEQPbAvlgKhw98Bx0wCyWYvpIIqOQ2aZz9OlnoJWac4TJ1RxyrMEA13A9uKe p4Z53IitVVqfl2b/OzHJlut/xo02eg4StJ9ADEK1RUxrUbsFU5tSqsenjkii+ez4 a73EPGH/wpVNhQf+7gNribOdBIBdHdgOn2dwMHLPg7GzajV3SXsV8xsfsHjX7mk6 q7KfDHK68Xkc6BOuXCmyEZPCJz8fLIvwZv4/WKx/DODwmTFJg/IXN9xlfvPAC8w= =lL2v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/MU1rI9/nMOeeM0dQeh3wCld-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 12:56:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A871C6C for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757915FB for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2659333C79; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id C3AD939860; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Andre Goree Subject: Re: Proper way to update ports with svn References: <515607C1.2010701@drenet.info> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:56:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <515607C1.2010701@drenet.info> (Andre Goree's message of "Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:29:37 -0400") Message-ID: <44d2uhcahf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:56:26 -0000 Andre Goree writes: > I seem to have to run 'make index' in /usr/ports after I've run 'svn up > /usr/ports' in order to see which ports need to be updated using > 'portversion'. This doesn't seem correct...and if so portsnap would > seem like a much better tool. Perhaps I should be running 'make > fetchindex' instead? I'm sure I've read about the correct way to do so, > but it doesn't appear to be here: > https://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsSubversionPrimer Subversion is not relevant; it has not changed the use of the index file. 'portversion' is part of the portupgrade port, and requires not just an index but its own database version of the index file. Building your own index will be slightly more accurate for what is actually on your box, but fetching it will be much faster and nearly always accurate enough. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 13:22:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279B8313 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maikodaraine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f65.google.com (mail-ee0-f65.google.com [74.125.83.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B885971B for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f65.google.com with SMTP id e49so367807eek.8 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nFprGtM74PTkeYVOixOMBY4uq1/ZE4dEUN/Ll29S1R4=; b=Wcg/EdpXeGKpv7qyx2CYmv2xU34VmIKotMmd83Bg4aHB+W6UOPmrPlSy5Yr3zwd6sa c6Uzo4xPL6tqJ5P6vmrccxFhqsqfqJuau0fRj4BNjTXcKkKRp/2Hc8fpFyzMcp4LkrIZ kI3OlYgCV149v6td1rDJuMItLs/htIgk4UCUZe19XuRYhgwuiWzV7DeFGefiwZmCLgOI xJsPShSgAYDwR7aw2iAqjDXUYDzyzmkJttepxwLOsg4sBs1w2M8NBcz+iBVAmgZOnly/ uor/1cZh16EAE2G8Is+faH3U90oQ9YsJnSILm5ij5tvaMXgdIReooyRJ+gh/9ZfORu7C UPlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.111.72 with SMTP id v48mr18395841eeg.11.1364649742370; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.172.194 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: use of the kernel and licensing From: Maikoda Sutter To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:22:29 -0000 If I use the kernel as a basis for my own system and modify the kernel should I still maintain the licensing of the kernel bits, or could release it under it's own license? For example: I would like to rewrite the headers to be 100% POSIX compliant and I do like the BSD license, however I was planning on releasing my whole system under the Unlicense, I understand that certain headers and code that I do not modify has to be released under the BSD license as that is the original license of the code, however for headers or code that I modify can I release it under the Unlicense (http://unlicense.org/)? I do plan on giving credit where it is due and such to the wonderful developers of FreeBSD and those that wrote the original code because without you I would not be able to produce so rapidly that which I am looking to produce I just would like clarification on the extent that I would have to license things via the BSD license. 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[137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fv2sm4806389wib.6.2013.03.30.10.17.54 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2UHHrka083178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:17:53 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r2UHHrd2083177 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:17:53 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201303301717.r2UHHrd2083177@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help In-Reply-To: <20130330074919.7902b8c2@scorpio> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkIaXcy3tZGKkakNbRFOkPC7YEinA6ZCIUfP818eYnkHthg88lV+9J382/h2lhBfG6afWN59MOzjSzN/ro+yPCpqweI7jPPymiO2lhmIpVBg8Jvx8y7QjrFCtuXJbAxMFA5Md3Thg3fs2LXwun521n+H9dTuXgjua/BByUEkZispGavwqU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:23:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:49:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:45 +0000 Matthew Seaman articulated: > Given you're seeing that CONNECTED message there, it certainly does. > The problem with that openssl command seems to be the 'unable to get > local issuer certificate' part. That's possibly openssl being pickier > about verifying certs than sendmail would be, but that certificate > verification step is probably where you're coming adrift. You need to > have the intermediate certs used by Google in your cacert.pem file, so > sendmail will trust the smtp.gmail.com cert. Check the 'confCACERT' > setting in your sendmail.mc. I have a block of code like this: >=20 > define(`CERT_DIR', `MAIL_SETTINGS_DIR`'certs')dnl > define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl > define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/cacert.pem')dnl > define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl > define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl > define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl > define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl >=20 > which allows me to put all the keys and certs in /etc/mail/certs/ If you really need the Gmail certs, you can use this to get them: openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:587 -starttls smtp -showcerts If you feel you really need the "Equifax Secure Certificate Authority" pem, go here and download it. Again, how to set up Sendmail is a task I leave for the student. Jerry, Matthew, thank you I think I got it working. In addition to your advice, this guide was very helpful: http://www.phinesolutions.com/sendmail-gmail-smtp-relay-howto.html It seems these two options were required: define(`RELAY_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587') define(`ESMTP_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587') Thanks again Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 18:19:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A63DABA for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A496A6 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gh0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r18so174300ghr.14 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:19:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :reply-to:organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=H8+1KRUTJlgWKkRvlch3NYw6I99GAVF32dFqKUbhHPM=; b=CbyszeeAB5bWHKEA/WpZc/7/cKBHHWqDPcqGASVvPUui1jRtJh9gdusyqQFRcez7e1 BnKzawkf8m4tqCi1tNQQQzvp5OQuDbyeapgPpOSyACWdNLVTgrZlBRsydT7OT6FjM8Bc Vod6pG58wSBTg7mXkX+hlCVdCjD6zyPkEZ9Wk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :reply-to:organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=H8+1KRUTJlgWKkRvlch3NYw6I99GAVF32dFqKUbhHPM=; b=cdeUWF0GNtQFX3WnllBhhAFWkWColVLVe+YgdTonsQthkXRpA973R+P/MC52DuoM4d zGsrqnQ79IeW44gpEPeRN5yakeedNSI/ZC1mBuwqTFBwPx2cTxcqD6/D6P5Cqxh9fHfE PVnLTfJlLtDVLPrZcCi6U4iBSgukajAemplVcro54YDCRglhsJXz7Kpxu/W5N4HF/Ods FGDQOTqdQWASPaLW04ZyIwJJXPT6WVPuwz+j3bp/0pOpBokafBG8KgyLhDjxBnlAFpEb 71HvRIzGKuNUbcdspBa8wgvCWInD8h5AcJr5S3TNMWbuMtqWANpDCfjebUKe9TJczIKk PmAg== X-Received: by 10.236.63.66 with SMTP id z42mr4190394yhc.182.1364667570312; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q8sm11429330yhb.1.2013.03.30.11.19.29 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ZdSl41zdpz2CG4t for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:19:27 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help Message-ID: <20130330141927.486afc97@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201303301717.r2UHHrd2083177@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20130330074919.7902b8c2@scorpio> <201303301717.r2UHHrd2083177@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmG2xz02flyA1+9/3u6CtY2A2sS2FVayupq2htIK7+hxJta8u6l04B6Ym1CnbW7H6E4Ex/9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:19:37 -0000 On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Anton Shterenlikht articulated: > Jerry, Matthew, thank you > > I think I got it working. > In addition to your advice, this guide was very helpful: > > http://www.phinesolutions.com/sendmail-gmail-smtp-relay-howto.html > > It seems these two options were required: > > define(`RELAY_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587') > define(`ESMTP_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587') After reading that "How-to", I am so glad I use Postfix. Anyway, glad you got it to work. You might find the idiot who wrote that first "manual" you referenced and tell him/her they are a dumb-ass and post a corrected manual. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 30 21:37:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B93A8F for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AD4D5C for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UM3TP-0005Kb-H4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:38:03 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:38:03 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:38:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2 is broken Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:37:48 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:27:20 -0400, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 29 March 2013 15:11, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE on amd64 >> >> This afternoon I upgraded textproc/libxml2 from version 2.7.8_5 to >> version 2.7.8_0 (at least I think it's libxml2 that's the problem - I >> upgraded py27-libxml2 and gdk-pixbuf2 at the same time). >> >> Then x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2 would not compile. I got the following >> error: >> >> CCLD test-widget >> ../gtksourceview/.libs/libgtksourceview-2.0.so: undefined reference to >> `xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate' >> gmake[2]: *** [test-widget] Error 1 >> >> Sure enough, I see a similar error when I try to open a shell script >> with gedit: >> >> /usr/local/lib/libgtksourceview-2.0.so.0: Undefined symbol >> "xmlTextReaderRelaxNGValidate" >> >> Where do I go from here? >> >> > Otherwise, you can blindly run # portmaster -r libxml2 (or some > perverted equivalent thereof) > & pray. It'll probably run for a good while. Didn't help, I'm afraid. Same compilation error on x11-toolkits/ gtksourceview2 - as well as a few others. The only solution I found was to downgrade libxml2 (and py27-libxml2) again. Can anyone offer advice? 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