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Date:      Thu, 5 Mar 2015 10:47:38 -0800
From:      Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Hans Ottevanger <hans@beastielabs.net>
Cc:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh
Message-ID:  <B59F27E0-1624-4A56-8225-1F9E1E2EB5A3@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <54F89E97.9040203@beastielabs.net>
References:  <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <54F89E97.9040203@beastielabs.net>

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On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:21, Hans Ottevanger <hans@beastielabs.net> wrote:

> On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>> B> Author: bapt
>>> B> Date: Wed Mar  4 22:01:44 2015
>>> B> New Revision: 279603
>>> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603
>>> B>
>>> B> Log:
>>> B>   r* commands are not precious anymore
>>> B>
>>> B> Modified:
>>> B>   head/bin/rcp/Makefile
>>> B>   head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile
>>>=20
>>> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed? =
:)
>>>=20
>>> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base?
>>=20
>> yes.
>> Some telecom equipment require rlogin.
>> _______________________________________________
>=20
> Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also =
not really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are =
(still) more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by =
end-users, and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The =
same is true for telnet.
>=20
> I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement =
equipment programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, =
that won't change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, =
nobody I know uses these tools over the public Internet anymore.
>=20
> As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most =
other Unix(-like) systems still have them.
>=20
> And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding =
daemons in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)?

Why not just move them to ports so the people that need them can have =
them=85?

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