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Date:      Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:46:03 -0700
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org>,  FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>,  FreeBSD Net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>,  "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>,  "freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org" <freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers
Message-ID:  <20181004154744.79EA3154E@spqr.komquats.com>

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I'm willing to help out with rl(4) as I have one here. Others, not schedule=
d for removal, that I can help one way or another are are NICs, including w=
ireless, currently installed here.

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Cy Schubert
<Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> or <cy@freebsd.org>
The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Poul-Henning Kamp
Sent: 04/10/2018 07:03
To: Warner Losh
Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev; Brooks Davis; FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List; FreeBSD Ne=
t; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers

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In message <CANCZdfpFXs_Ed-gMZnnSs2eAxYh8hdwr-6dh9rpUUPbZXO0hWA@mail.gmail.=
com>
, Warner Losh writes:

>Most of these drivers have had dozens or hundreds of commits each over the
>years to keep up with the API changes. This acts as a tax on innovation
>because it's such a pain in the back side to change all the drivers in the
>tree.

As one who has been there, a couple of times: SECONDED!

It is particular unpleasant when you have no way to test the changes.

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