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Date:      Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:51:56 -0500
From:      "George Neville-Neil" <gnn@neville-neil.com>
To:        "Garrett Cooper" <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
Cc:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Hans Ottevanger <hans@beastielabs.net>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh
Message-ID:  <FD5585CD-4889-4758-B11D-243AFE629293@neville-neil.com>
In-Reply-To: <B59F27E0-1624-4A56-8225-1F9E1E2EB5A3@gmail.com>
References:  <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <54F89E97.9040203@beastielabs.net> <B59F27E0-1624-4A56-8225-1F9E1E2EB5A3@gmail.com>

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On 5 Mar 2015, at 13:47, Garrett Cooper wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:21, Hans Ottevanger <hans@beastielabs.net> wrote:=

>
>> On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>>> B> Author: bapt
>>>> B> Date: Wed Mar  4 22:01:44 2015
>>>> B> New Revision: 279603
>>>> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603
>>>> B>
>>>> B> Log:
>>>> B>   r* commands are not precious anymore
>>>> B>
>>>> B> Modified:
>>>> B>   head/bin/rcp/Makefile
>>>> B>   head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile
>>>>
>>>> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed?=
 :)
>>>>
>>>> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base?
>>>
>>> yes.
>>> Some telecom equipment require rlogin.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also no=
t really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are (still=
) more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by end-use=
rs, and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The same is =
true for telnet.
>>
>> I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement equipm=
ent programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, that won=
't change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, nobody I know=
 uses these tools over the public Internet anymore.
>>
>> As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most o=
ther Unix(-like) systems still have them.
>>
>> And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding d=
aemons in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)?
>
> Why not just move them to ports so the people that need them can have t=
hem=E2=80=A6?

OK, telnet, used by every single person who even configures a network swi=
tch.  It's in their muscle
memory and, for now, we should leave it in the base system.

The r* programs are less used though, as someone points out, from time to=
 time used with telco equipment.
Let's do this by stages.  Move the r* stuff to a port/package and leave t=
elnet alone for now.

I know of no network admin who ever touches nc.

Let's make sure we're providing for what people actually use day to day.

Best,
George
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