Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:51:56 -0500 From: "George Neville-Neil" <gnn@neville-neil.com> To: "Garrett Cooper" <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> Cc: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Hans Ottevanger <hans@beastielabs.net>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh Message-ID: <FD5585CD-4889-4758-B11D-243AFE629293@neville-neil.com> In-Reply-To: <B59F27E0-1624-4A56-8225-1F9E1E2EB5A3@gmail.com> References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <54F89E97.9040203@beastielabs.net> <B59F27E0-1624-4A56-8225-1F9E1E2EB5A3@gmail.com>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 3156 and 4880). --=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5 Mar 2015, at 13:47, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:21, Hans Ottevanger <hans@beastielabs.net> wrote:= > >> On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>> B> Author: bapt >>>> B> Date: Wed Mar 4 22:01:44 2015 >>>> B> New Revision: 279603 >>>> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603 >>>> B> >>>> B> Log: >>>> B> r* commands are not precious anymore >>>> B> >>>> B> Modified: >>>> B> head/bin/rcp/Makefile >>>> B> head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile >>>> >>>> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed?= :) >>>> >>>> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base? >>> >>> yes. >>> Some telecom equipment require rlogin. >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also no= t really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are (still= ) more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by end-use= rs, and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The same is = true for telnet. >> >> I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement equipm= ent programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, that won= 't change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, nobody I know= uses these tools over the public Internet anymore. >> >> As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most o= ther Unix(-like) systems still have them. >> >> And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding d= aemons in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)? > > Why not just move them to ports so the people that need them can have t= hem=E2=80=A6? OK, telnet, used by every single person who even configures a network swi= tch. It's in their muscle memory and, for now, we should leave it in the base system. The r* programs are less used though, as someone points out, from time to= time used with telco equipment. Let's do this by stages. Move the r* stuff to a port/package and leave t= elnet alone for now. I know of no network admin who ever touches nc. Let's make sure we're providing for what people actually use day to day. Best, George --=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_= Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlT4pcwACgkQYdh2wUQKM9J6cQCdEry6xa/5UmfRbzrGq5858NsY pC8An2aLmZPe9vCz3GMYJgLTPDXvqMm2 =AFDU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_MailMate_2AF35507-7691-400A-8D2B-E83F1C86FF51_=--
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