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Date:      Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:11:58 -0800 (PST)
From:      Doug White <dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu>
To:        Frank Griffith <frankg@idfw.com>
Cc:        "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Support
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980117225953.6065h-200000@gdi.uoregon.edu>
In-Reply-To: <01BD232A.C4C6BF80@dal17-21.ppp.iadfw.net>

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On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Frank Griffith wrote:

> I am a new user with FreeBSD and UNIX for that matter, but I really like
> the format I have found wih FreeBSD and I plan to use it as my Web
> Server, once I get over the learning curve.

Good idea :-)

> Over the past three weeks I have pummelled you guys with requests
> for information and how to things. The response from all of you has
> been wonderful and enthusiatic. But I guess I'm just not getting the
> word across as I have yet to be able to get done what I need done.

Communication, communication, communication..it's all a matter of how well
you tell us your experience level.

[excellent example deleted]

We (I) usually assume the experience level of someone on -questions is
what some people call ``enough to be dangerous,'' which is:

. Knows how to login
. Knows what % or $ means in a command example (vs. #)
. Knows what a command is :-)
. Knows how to do file operations (mv, cp, chmod)
. Knows how to configure the system using /etc/rc.conf
. Knows how to operate a text editor
. Knows a bit about PC hardware (what an IRQ is)
. Knows how to su to root
. Knows what dmesg is (hint: it's a command)

These assumptions come into play if the message lacks certain information,
such as:

. Version of FreeBSD in use and versions of relevant utilities
. Relevant devices and dmesg output
. What exactly they are trying to accomplish
. Error message(s) seen
. EXACT transcript of command(s) executed to elicit given error message(s)

A famous anxiom in support is:

The amount of support received is proportional to the amount of
information provided.

The more you tell us, the more we can help you.

I will attach our guide to using -questions effectively; it should be very
helpful for future inquires.

Now enough of this and onto the question at hand:  Connecting to the net
with ppp.

> 1. I start my FreeBSD system and login as root.
> 
> 2. At the # prompt I typed ftp ftp.cdrom.com. (as instructed by one of you)
>    I get this line echoed on the display - ftp: ftp.cdrom.com: Unknown host
> 
> 3. I assume that I must make a ppp connection first so I type quit at the
>    ftp> prompt and press <Enter>
> 
> 4. Back at the # prompt I type ppp<Enter>.
> 
> 5. I type term<Enter>.
> 
> 6. I type atdtxxxxxx-xxxx (x = the phone number to my ISP)<Enter>
> 
> 7. I get a connection and login to my ISP.
> 
> 8. I see this line:
>     PPP session from (206.66.11.193) to 206.66.11ppp ON > Packet Mode
> 
> 9. I then get this prompt PPP ON >.
> 
> I've experimented around from here, but can't put 2 and 2 together. ! gets
> me back to the # prompt where I've tried the ftp part again, but I keep
> getting the Unknow host message.

This is perfect!  Thank you!

OK, I think I posted this previously, but that this point you should
enter at the PPP> prompt:

add 0 0 HISADDR

This will set up the routing between your computer and the remote.  If you
switch to another terminal and try to ftp, it should work okay.

If even after doing this you're still not getting anywhere, connect, run
the add command, then post the output of `netstat -rn'.

Don't forget to leave ppp running -- if you exit ppp, your connection goes
with it!

Doug White                              | University of Oregon  
Internet:  dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu    | Residence Networking Assistant
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite    | Computer Science Major



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