From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 27 10:41: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FF437B403 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7RHegT66546; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:40:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Julian Elischer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:47:48 PDT." <3B89DF04.F6A250F9@elischer.org> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:40:42 +0200 Message-ID: <66544.998934042@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3B89DF04.F6A250F9@elischer.org>, Julian Elischer writes: >I am ready to do my megga-commit to add the first stage of KSE-threading support >to >the kernel. If there is any argument as to the wisdom of this move, >then this is the time to speak up! I say "No, not yet". Not yet, because in practice nobody has been running your patches yet. Not yet, because we have seen no quantified performance impact numbers (yes, I'm trying to arrange to help you produce these but on a P5/133 things are _S_L_O_W_! Not yet, because I seriously doubt if anybody has had any time to review and reflect on the way you have gone around and done things. Not yet, because there are, as I understand it, unresolved issues with KAME. Not yet, because you are generalizing from only one platform, get at least alpha working first. So I propose: Put up your patches in a highly visible place and advertise them on -current, -arch and -smp. Once at least 5 developers have publically said "I'm running these patches on my -current machine(s) and it doesn't totally hose me" and at least 3 of those machines are SMP and one is non-i386 architecture, then call for "last orders before commit". -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message