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Date:      Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:07:44 -0500 (EST)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@mat.net>
To:        Joe Shevland <J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Java wrapper/Jikes question
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9903100903130.43830-100000@picnic.mat.net>
In-Reply-To: <36E673A0.BFC4C99A@TurnAround.com.au>

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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Joe Shevland wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I must say I don't know much about the Gnu licensing and how it affects
> the free software world (and in this case I haven't read the fine print)
> though I'm open to information. If its restrictive in any way I'll drop
> it and move on to one of the other alternatives (luckily there's a few).
> I've heard grumbles about the Gnu licensing but haven't looked in to the
> problems with it.

Thanks for the web reference, but you misread me in a minor way.  It
isn't that the GNU license is more restrictive, it isn't.  It's the fact
that, for no good reason, they're taking anything that Sun does and
rewriting it, and re-releaseing it under the copyleft.  This means that
anything Sun tries to do with repsect to their own very liberal license
won't count.  This is good, if the original authors are making their
stuff closed, so as to extort funds, but Sun is making their's open, and
this reduces the GNU effort, in effect, to an overwriting of the
copyright.  That's just petty.

> 
> The GnuJSP implementation (version 0.9.8) is at:
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~vincentp/gnujsp/
> 
> Sun's reference page (specification version 0.92) is at:
> http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/
> 
> Regards,
> Joe.
> 
> Chuck Robey wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Joe Shevland wrote:
> > 
> > > Sounds good, I still haven't experienced any problems (and geez its fast!).
> > >
> > > Just by-the-by, GnuJSP is Gnu's Java Server Pages implementation of the JSP
> > > 0.91 specification. JSP pages work very similar to MS's Active Server Pages
> > > (dynamic page generation based on scripting tags and embedded objects). So
> > > you can embed Java code in HTML for things like db access, session tracking
> > > etc.
> > 
> > Just in passing, I think that, this one time, the GNU people are doing
> > something very unethical.  I like it when they write software that
> > replaces stuff that isn't openly available, but Sun has been making the
> > entire Java thing as open as anyone could possibly wish for.  The fact
> > that they found a way to do this and make money isn't bad, it's a great
> > stroke of good luck, and the free software world (you and I) want to
> > encourage this stuff.  The GNU people haven't made this any more open,
> > they've only made it obvious to Sun that their own copyright is nearly
> > worthless, because GNU is going to follow on and turn it into a
> > copyleft.
> > 
> > Seeing as what Sun is doing (and IBM too!) is so out of the ordinary,
> > and great for software hackers like us, I just wish those GNU guys would
> > go attack a different target.  I want to encourage Sun and IBM, not
> > insult them.
> > 
> > Note I moved this to -chat, because it's non-technical.  I won't respond
> > to this on the java list, please be kind about that.
> > 
> > >
> > > It operates using a single servlet and an Apache action handler for *.jsp
> > > files. Any time after the *.jsp file changes, and then 'hit' by a client, it
> > > is recompiled into a servlet class and loaded into memory. That's one of the
> > > beauties of JSP, the servlets remain in memory so there's no latency for
> > > loading from disk i.e CGI.
> > 
> > Is there a http: address for the JSP stuff?
> > 
> > ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
> > Chuck Robey                 | Interests include any kind of voice or data
> > chuckr@glue.umd.edu         | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
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> > Greenbelt, MD 20770         | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current)
> > (301) 220-2114              | and jaunt (Solaris7).
> > ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
> 
> -- 
> Joe Shevland
> Principal Consultant
> TurnAround Solutions Pty Ltd
> http://www.turnaround.com.au/
> --
> FreeBSD - The Power to Serve
> 
> 

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Chuck Robey                 | Interests include any kind of voice or data 
chuckr@glue.umd.edu         | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1  |
Greenbelt, MD 20770         | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current)
(301) 220-2114              | and jaunt (Solaris7).
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