From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 08:32:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F3437B404 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.duncanyoung.com (pc-62-30-170-113-ca.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.170.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F199643FA3 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duncan.young@pobox.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.duncanyoung.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6289449E; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:32:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.duncanyoung.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mamiya.int.duncanyoung.com [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 50092-01-4; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:32:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from www.duncanyoung.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.duncanyoung.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BEC6A493; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:32:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from 192.107.26.131 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mail0001) by www.duncanyoung.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:32:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49147.192.107.26.131.1051198347.squirrel@www.duncanyoung.com> In-Reply-To: <20030424075652.A20669@seekingfire.com> References: <41371.192.10 7.26.131.1051112914.squirrel@www.duncanyoung.com><20030423233156.GL497 36@wantadilla.lemis.com><200304240930.15293.duncan.young@pobox.com> <20030424075652.A20669@seekingfire.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: "Duncan Young" To: "Tillman" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vinum in FreeBSD 4.x branch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:32:45 -0000 > On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:30:14AM +0100, Duncan Young wrote: >> Remember this is supposed to be in a corporate environment where >> "failure is >> not an option". Getting vinum to set up root disks is "fiddly" and >> whomever >> will support the box tomorrow, may not be as compentent as whomever sets >> it >> up today. When things go wrong, the simplest setup is best. > > I have a different viewpoint: if this is supposed to be in a corporate > environment, don't set up up the less competent folks for failure by > having them inherit a system that they're not capable of supporting. > This is a staffing issue, not a technical issue. I'm not sure that your viewpoint is different to mine. I'm just making allowances for the failures of management/staffing. One should look at the whole problem, not just the short term techincal aspects. I feel long term maintenance should be considered. Assuming that the whole site isn't BSD, then vinum is a "special case" which no-one except FreeBSD people will have had experienc with (and even then, not that many). So in considering its use I feel that this should be taken into acount. Duncan