From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 24 23:48:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9160337B632 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 23:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f4P6mXR05385 ; Fri, 25 May 2001 08:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id IAA95240 ; Fri, 25 May 2001 08:49:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:49:05 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFilter not free software? Message-ID: <20010525084905.A94861@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010524152334.K52234@lpt.ens.fr> <200105242130.OAA22615@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105242130.OAA22615@usr05.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:30:02PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on May 24, 2001 at 21:30:02: > > What Stallman opposed was the "advertising clause" which said all > > advertising materials concerning the software must mention the UCB; > > No. > > It said that if you mentioned features or use of the software > in your marketing materials, you must give the authors credit. Well, if you read it as written that's not what it says. I cut-and-pasted from the FreeBSD file in my earlier mail. It says specifically that the UCB must be given credit in all "advertising materials" (the exact words) mentioning features and use of the software (and what advertising material does not?) Of course, other authors could, and do, modify it to ask credit for themselves; this was Stallman's problem -- such a clause, if followed strictly for NetBSD (and presumably FreeBSD too), would require a full page of advertisement. If by "the software", you mean specifically that portion of FreeBSD which the author wrote -- like Darren Reed for IPFilter -- maybe you're saying that if he insisted on an advertising clause, you'd need to mention him only when you mention IPFilter. What he wrote is not an advertising clause, but even if he had one, I doubt FreeBSD would mention his name every time they mentioned the firewalling capabilities of the system. It seems to me that the clause would be violated more often than observed, except in the specific case of mentioning UCB. Of course, you're free to your interpretation because I doubt lawyers will run after you if you don't follow it to the letter. (There is an addendum in the FreeBSD file, of course, which says the clause has been removed.) - Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message