From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 26 05:01:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4AFC5; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 05:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (mx0.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D658FC0A; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 05:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q9Q51g8p057622; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:01:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9Q51UnS046357; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:01:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q9Q51USH046356; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:01:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:01:30 +0300 From: Konstantin Belousov To: "Simon J. Gerraty" Subject: Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program Message-ID: <20121026050130.GL35915@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <201210020750.23358.jhb@freebsd.org> <201210021037.27762.jhb@freebsd.org> <127FA63D-8EEE-4616-AE1E-C39469DDCC6A@xcllnt.net> <20121025211522.GA32636@dragon.NUXI.org> <3F52B7C9-A7B7-4E0E-87D0-1E67FE5D0BA7@xcllnt.net> <20121025225353.86DA658094@chaos.jnpr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XlEUlEMI/M8PZpW+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121025225353.86DA658094@chaos.jnpr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Marcel Moolenaar , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 05:01:34 -0000 --XlEUlEMI/M8PZpW+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 03:53:53PM -0700, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:01:27 +0100, Chris Rees writes: > >Is there a Wiki page where the actual benefits of moving to bmake are > >made clear? This is a major, *major* upheaval, and having two > >versions of bsd.port.mk for years is simply not an option. >=20 > There is no need/plan for two versions of bsd.port.mk, the patch I just > mentioned, deals with older systems by detecting that bmake was not > used, and using it (installing if need be). =20 >=20 > >Have you discussed this on ports@? >=20 > I have not at least. =20 > This was discussed at the last couple of BSDCan's and dev summits. >=20 > The original plan discussed at BSDCan a couple of years ago, was to > allow bmake and the old make to cooexist for some time so that ports > could continue to use the old make. >=20 > At the last BSDCan we were told that wasn't an option - hence the patch > to ports that was mentioned. >=20 > FWIW the changes to 99.9% of the ports tree are trivial (:L -> :tl etc). > The only interesting changes are to bsd.port.mk (the diff other than the > above is 54 lines) they cover 2 things - dealing with old make as > mentioned above, and man pages. The nested .for loops that deal > with MLINKS are replaced with one line - this was safer that attempting > to hack those .for loops to work with both makes. I am watching the serial for some time. Could please, someone, describe why bmake cannot grow the compat features to be a drop-in replacement for FreeBSD make, instead of patching all the trees ? In particular, why cannot the ':L' and ':U' support be added ? --XlEUlEMI/M8PZpW+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlCKGSoACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4iAYACfSwsdXrng2TEhcB7KtNQsjkiE U0UAoIa8x38lzjsftwX4EkITmpoBIeaC =LELO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XlEUlEMI/M8PZpW+--