From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 12 16:59:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 408E686D; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigwig.baldwin.cx [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:75::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 164398E0; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ralph.baldwin.cx (pool-173-54-116-245.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [173.54.116.245]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B8F3B963; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Hans Petter Selasky Subject: Re: Adding new media types to if_media.h Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1740987.7L4GidWlzm@ralph.baldwin.cx> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.2 (FreeBSD/10.1-STABLE; KDE/4.14.2; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5501ABCA.7020203@selasky.org> References: <20150226230031.GN17947@glebius.int.ru> <1919032.aFEK3un8ig@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5501ABCA.7020203@selasky.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Adrian Chadd , mike@karels.net, "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" , Jack Vogel , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Eric Joyner X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:59:47 -0000 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 04:07:54 PM Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On 02/28/15 13:28, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Friday, February 27, 2015 10:23:10 PM Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 08:25:59PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> A> [snip] > >> A> > >> A> I think Mike's approach is good - it makes it easy to MFC to 10.2 > >> A> since there's extended lifecycle stuff to do there - and then we can > >> A> plan out how do the "betterer" fix after it's landed and churned > >> A> things. > >> > >> ... and we will be ought to support the "betterer" fix along with > >> the "not so betterer" for a very long time. > >> > >> The rock on which we split in this argument is that some developers > >> write their code for stable/x and then forward-port it to head, > >> focused on quality of result for stable/x; while other developers > >> do the opposite: write code to head, then consider or not consider > >> merging it stable/x. > > > > No, this is not quite true. Some folks have to write drivers on HEAD but also > > support running those drivers on older branches. The MFC's get harder when > > you have very different APIs on the different branches. It's already harder > > to test stat changes now since it requires completely different patches for > > <= 10 (the only thing people are supposed to use in production) vs head due to > > if_getcounter() and friends. Also, since 11 won't be out until 2016, that is > > far, far too long to wait for more media types. The stuff we need to support > > is already shipping in products today. We can't not support these in 10 (and > > possibly 9). > > > > Any news on this issue? Is anyone working on a solution for -head ? I believe a variant of Mike's patch is in phabricator now? -- John Baldwin