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Date:      Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:05:00 +0100
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.dk.tfs.com>
To:        Julian Assange <proff@iq.org>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org, security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: o [1997/02/01] bin/2634 rtld patches for easy creation of chroot enviroments 
Message-ID:  <4363.856800300@critter.dk.tfs.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:28:33 %2B1100." <199702241328.AAA10815@profane.iq.org> 

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In message <199702241328.AAA10815@profane.iq.org>, Julian Assange writes:

>plannet are you on?

Earth, 3rd from the center.  (Mostly harmless).

>The primary reason chroot() is rarely used is because it is painful
>to use.

No, it's because it doesn't really offer isolation when you have 
networking and other non-filesystem controlled interfaces to the
kernel.

Once you have implemented true "virtual machine" semantics for chroot,
including local /sbin/init process &c &c it will be useful.

>I'm quite apalled at this conservative view,
>expressed without the slightest understanding of the code involved.

I have a far better understanding of the code than you have.

Julian, you need to calm down and work on something different.  Your
proposed feature isn't the magical bullet it takes to make chroot a
safe place to live.  If it were I would embrace it.  As it is, adding
this gruesome hack doesn't really provide us with anything that improves
the situation.  If you think otherwise, do it on your own systems.

Poul-Henning

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