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Date:      Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:39:28 -1000 (HST)
From:      Vincent Poy <vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>
To:        Charles Burns <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com>
Cc:        <seanp@loudcloud.com>, <jgowdy@home.com>, <lplist@closedsrc.org>, <kris@obsecurity.org>, <mwlist@lanfear.com>, <freebsd@sysmach.com?>, <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: the AMD factor in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.31.0104192035460.2730-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>
In-Reply-To: <F94Iw9GcVXp7PePXd9700004a01@hotmail.com>

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Charles Burns wrote:

> > > The only real issue with AMD is heat related they put out a lot of
> >heat.. but
> > > that's about the only "concern" and I have never had this be a problem.
> >
> >	Yep, I heard heat is the problem especially with those over
> >1Ghz...
>
> Well, heat dissipation is directly proportional to clock speed, so it only
> becomes a problem at the level that your HSF combo can't hack it at
> temperature extremes. Athlon 500's are hot and so are Athlons overclocked to
> 1500. Just depends on your cooling. It isn't really a problem at all if you
> have amazinf HSF combo or water cooling.

	Yeah, I guess the Athlon's are a good way to test if a Heatsink is
good or if it's crappy.

> >	True.  Now, speaking about the Duron, are the Duron's really
> >faster than the Athlon's when both are overclocked?  Some guy who runs a
> >cluster of 20-30 AMD's for rc5 crunching says the Duron is faster.
>
> Uhh, I haven't seen that article, but I can pretty confidently say "No."
> There are two differences that matter between Tbirds and Durons.
> 1) Tbirds have 4x the L2 cache

	Maybe what he really meant was that a Duron that is overclocked to
1Ghz would get close to the performance of a TBird 1Ghz but at a lower
cost.

> 2) Tbirds are often made with copper rather than aluminum interconnects,
> which means lower resistance and theoretically higher clockspeeds.
> Having less L2 cache can't really speed things up and at the same
> clockspeed, the interconnect technology means nothing. Perhaps he meant
> Duron's that can OC past a certain revision of Tbird--and are thus higher
> clocked? Or perhaps he means that they are faster if you consider price in
> the equation?

	I guess it's probably for the price and the overclocking, the
Duron will be faster for a lot less.

> For what matter though--FreeBSD--Tbird Athlons are faster.

	That's all that matters since I can't tell the difference for
normal day to day operations with Windows between a PII400 and a PIII933.
I guess I'm not a gamer.


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