From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 8 17:54:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBDFE7ADBC for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Received: from barracuda.ssimicro.com (barracuda.ssimicro.com [96.46.39.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71D0569615 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1515433229-08e71748ab3003f0001-jLrpzn Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by barracuda.ssimicro.com with ESMTP id sn0SmBRfiPbYtdos (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:40:30 -0500 (EST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: markham@ssimicro.com X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: mail.ssimicro.com[64.247.129.10] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.247.129.10 Received: from markham.ssimicro.com (markham.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w08HeTnt082694 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2018 10:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Meltdown_=e2=80=93_Spectre?= To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-ASG-Orig-Subj: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Meltdown_=e2=80=93_Spectre?= References: <3AECDC7F-8838-4C09-AC7F-117DFBAA326C@sigsegv.be> <20180108085756.GA3001@c720-r314251> <48211515-cc6b-522b-ccd2-4d0c1f6a2072@columbus.rr.com> <44279dcb-7b15-865a-ca71-938b3832d0e7@columbus.rr.com> From: markham breitbach Message-ID: <7844e5a4-2b94-2ada-62ea-4418f088043a@ssimicro.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 10:40:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Barracuda-Connect: mail.ssimicro.com[64.247.129.10] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1515433229 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://barracuda.ssimicro.com:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 1181 X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at ssimicro.com X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using per-user scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.46671 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 17:54:59 -0000 > > The fact that FreeBSD still works on this problem whereas Microsoft > and Linux kernel folks already released their patches to me speaks > highly of FreeBSD. FreeBSD appears to do really thorough job. As > example, I would mention this: Linux (CentOS aka "binary replica" of > RedHat Enterprise) often after releasing kernel patch, releases second > kernel patch 2-3 days later. Which makes all who maintain parks of > Linux machines and patch them promptly reboot the machines twice in a > course of few days. There are special cases sometimes, but mostly this > is indication of not thorough enough work. I don't remember similar > things happen to FreeBSD. This pretty much reminds me how someone > concluded that ATI does more thorough work on drivers compared to > NVIDIA, pointing to the fact that ATI releases drivers only twice a > year, whereas NVIDIA has to constantly release drivers updates: Monthly. > > Just my $0.02 > > Valeri > It also appears that Microsoft and Linux a fair amount of extra lead time.  I understand they were notified about this back in October ort November, while FreeBSD did not get notified until December. -M