From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 05:24:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957CB106566C; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421658FC0A; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so1701202yxn.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:24:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NYmZYLT/0MGwSKUEd7tHydc3cF5nZxh9TpxYvSqk46M=; b=cdk6KfFs7Mrdysg+aUdGBVj/SlOh1TX+VikmkJcutQ9Y3dkw1gy/w65krc6Rdzmw6k UNzmJteoVjC8sHOccpA6x2LBqqi3wstCAAsjEEOpbGm/28Gk+Dq+CDe/z8oh7jnTDmHU szRKRvHjtzp3txc26EgDbaf3vbkUs5WPX58Rw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.32.14 with SMTP id f14mr384581ybf.201.1314249894635; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.145.21 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:24:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <35765857-1314243257-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-329610575-@b2.c15.bise7.blackberry> References: <35765857-1314243257-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-329610575-@b2.c15.bise7.blackberry> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:24:54 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6qbDkW-0Disd8iAhH8S8OLgKKv8 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: gnuyoga@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Milo Hyson , owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:24:56 -0000 On 25 August 2011 11:34, wrote: >> >> Sure. And taking surveys into account, we could just simply summarize: >> FreeBSD needs marketing :-) > > That begs the question of to whom FreeBSD should be marketed. Home users? Small-office admins? Datacenter admins? Embedded developers? > > Perhaps we can start from what is currently used/deployed. Easier to start from what we have done than figuring out what all it can do. What say ? Pick your area of interest. Work on making it more useful. Be very loud and vocal about what you're doing. Explain how it's better than the alternatives. The project as a whole may not necessarily need a "project dictator" per se. It doesn't need to figure out who FreeBSD needs to be marketed to. What _I_ think the project needs is louder developers and advocates; easier install/management tools (especially for VM/cluster management ; ports is a pain in the ass as viewed by a lot of people - who think RPM/DEB is fine (and have built large networks around such)) and some more use cases where FreeBSD makes sense. Right now Linux runs in most places, it may not be "awesome" but it's "good enough", and the entry barrier is sufficiently low for people to bootstrap a lot of new stuff on it. Combine that with increasing numbers of users and developers who know Linux only and recommend it over anything else, regardless of technical merit. So, let's stop talking about it; pick something you think should be better, run with it, and be very vocal about what you do. Adrian