From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 24 22:01:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF5016A41F for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:01:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: from web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6C5843D55 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:01:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82568 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2005 22:01:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DnLDiJ0uzIEcalzfwgYMYwkysrVHY0jJ6V8pCwgpBmOeuQFBbOemmPRLuLyexrHJI5m94hErgXTwIQztf9RqAPPrG01EjBmsHgoPZ2sKZWC+b9QultQmmJddDOZDaVMYM3saLmy3p54jgw/+fv0h1pLDz8BIIBtojbRbeeGzetk= ; Message-ID: <20051224220153.82566.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.46.186.215] by web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:01:53 PST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Danial Thom To: Don Hinton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200512241219.12940.don.hinton@vanderbilt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Miguel Saturnino Subject: Re: BSD Question's. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: danial_thom@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:01:55 -0000 --- Don Hinton wrote: > Hi Danial: > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 10:44, Danial Thom > wrote: > > --- Miguel Saturnino wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 07:34 -0800, Danial > Thom > > > > > > wrote: > > > > --- "Michael C. Shultz" > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 06:54, > Daniel > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry for the trouble you have > had > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Windows XP. > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest that you use Linux, as > FreeBSD > > > > > > > > > > really is not targeted at > > > > > > > > > > > people who want to use graphical user > > > > > > > > > > interfaces. > > > > > > > > > > In a few key areas FreeBSD is a better > > > > > > desktop > > > > > > > > OS than Linux: Easier to keep > > > > > the kernel/world and installed ports up > to > > > > > > date > > > > > > > > for example without having > > > > > to resort to the microsoft/Linux fixall > > > > > > method > > > > > > > > of removing and reinstalling > > > > > everything every now and again. Your > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > is correct IMO that FreeBSD > > > > > managers put most emphasis on FreeBSD > as a > > > > > server and little as a desktop. > > > > > My guess is because donations(cash) and > > > > > hardware support for developers > > > > > come from people who want servers while > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > who want a desktop OS tend to > > > > > donate squat.... > > > > > > > > > > > The linux developers really have been > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to make a valuable > > > > > > > > > > > replacement for Windows, as they > somehow > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > experienced the same > > > > > > > > > > > issues with Windows (And Microsoft > > > > > > products > > > > > > > > in general) that you have. > > > > > > > > > > > One Linux distribution in particular > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > think you might like, is > > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu. You can download it at > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, or order a > > > > > > > > > > > CD (Free shipping, free CD, you pay > > > > > > nothing). > > > > > > > > Advertising Linux in a FreeBSD mailing > > > > > > list? > > > > > > > > Sounds like you may have more of > > > > > axe to grind against the FreeBSD > management > > > > > folk than a desire to offer sound > > > > > advice.... > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > Why not just tell the truth, which is > that > > > > Windows XP is the best that you can do > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > desktop > > > > > > Well, that's your opinion. For me, FreeBSD > is a > > > much better desktop than > > > Windows -- it runs solid and fast and > enables > > > me to be more productive > > > in my work. Of course, what is good for me > > > might not be so good for > > > someone else, I guess it depends on your > needs. > > > > "more productive" in what way? > > > > Without considering all of the programs I use > > that only run in windows (such as my > investment > > analysis tools, camera interface and photo > > editing programs), outline the "productivity" > > advantages of FreeBSD in terms of: > > > > 1) Time from unwrapping the computer to > having a > > functional and usable system. > > For me, FreeBSD is about twice as fast/easy to > install/configure, and > infinitely cheaper. > Considering that WinXP usually comes on the computer, I don't see how "installing and configuring FreeBSD" can be easier than having to do nothing at all? > > 2) General productivity advantages in a > typical > > day. ie: what can you do with FreeBSD that > you > > can't do in WinXP, and what is faster or more > > productive in FreeBSD > > Depends on what you use it for. I'm a C++ > developer, and have a need to > examine/search/manipulate text files quite > often, Windows, out of the box, is > inappropriate for this type of work. I'd have > to install all sorts of > applications, e.g., cygwin, et al, to get the > applications/capabilities that > come "out of the box" on a typical *nix system, > FreeBSD, Linux, etc... > I'm a developer also, but I don't use the FreeBSD desktop for this, I log into my freeBSD server with my desktop browser or telnet/ssh. I don't see how such things are relevent to using one desktop over the other. > If, on the other hand, you are wedded to an > application that only runs on > windows, then the question is moot. > Unfortunately, there is one windows > program I'm forced to use, so I have a cheap > laptop that sits on my desk for > that purpose. Though I never use it directly, > except to reboot it when it > hangs, say once a week, I access it via > rdesktop in a window from one of my > FreeBSD systems, typically my new HP laptop. Being "weded to an application" and needing to do practical things are separate matters to me. With Windows i have choices of which apps I like better. With Freebsd, I usually have 1 choice or maybe no choices. > > But no one can convince you of which OS you > should use. If you want to try > one, try it. If not, don't. I couldn't care > less which OS other people use, > just as I couldn't care less which car you > drive. I don't expect you to care, but saying you "prefer FreeBSD" and saying "FreeBSD is better" are different animals. I just wanted to know what you could do with FreeBSD that you can't do with Windows. I already know what I can do with Windows that I can't do with FreeBSD. 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