From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Nov 5 17:23:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA871106BAC for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09BC69BC6 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A50561106BA7; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AC11106BA6 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AC2969BC2 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=acQjplgt c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=JHtHm7312UAA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=om1OYZ6EspZOslyZ3m4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:34792] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id D7/80-06916-D7C70EB5; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 12:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <23520.31868.775969.324314@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:23:08 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: Warner Losh CC: Kevin Oberman , Niclas Zeising , current Subject: Re: drm changes and updating to 12.0 In-Reply-To: References: <23519.18601.670359.184297@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E09BC69BC6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.84 / 200.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_FORWARDING(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FORWARDED(0.00)[current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[rcn.com : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; SPF_FAIL_FORWARDING(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[5.0.0.0.0.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.6.0.2.4.5.2.2.0.0.9.1.1.0.0.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.9.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.rcn.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.75)[ip: (-8.82), ipnet: 2001:1900:2254::/48(-2.84), asn: 10310(-2.01), country: US(-0.06)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10310, ipnet:2001:1900:2254::/48, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com ..,freebsd-current@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 17:23:12 -0000 Warner Losh writes: > I'm curious where 2013 comes from. I know that Intel Sandy Bridg= e graphics > is supported with VAAPI acceleration by drm-stable-kmod, since i= t i working > on the system I am using to send this message. I bought it in 20= 11, the > year Sandy Bridge was introduced to production products. > > 2013 is "five year old hardware or newer". It's a number I pulled ou= t of the > air when trying to nail down the group in describing who should use = what. > Giving code names would also work. Sandy Bridge and newer, though, i= s confusing > to people.=A0 I'd use 2011 as the release date for Sandy Bridge, but= then what > about the AMD other GPUs=3F > =20 > If there's a better way to message what's supported, I'm all ears. =09Lacking a better plan: is there a list of which card/gpu is currently known to work with which drm(-kmod) version, perhaps gathered from those involved with development=3F (Is this based on wor= k from Linux=3F If so, do they have a list=3F) =09=09=09Respectfully, =09=09=09=09Robert Huff