Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:39:08 +0100 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> To: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> Cc: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>, Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <56E2D88C.4000701@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <20160311140513.GQ70809@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <20160308124016.GA70809@zxy.spb.ru> <20160308131847.GP1531@FreeBSD.org> <20160308151459.GB70809@zxy.spb.ru> <05A039B7-AA9A-47BB-B68E-89D9D5627D20@FreeBSD.org> <20160311120511.GN31877@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20160311131055.GO70809@zxy.spb.ru> <20160311132059.GA11339@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20160311133157.GP70809@zxy.spb.ru> <56E2CEF9.3080200@quip.cz> <20160311140513.GQ70809@zxy.spb.ru>
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Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote on 03/11/2016 15:05: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 02:58:17PM +0100, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > >> Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote on 03/11/2016 14:31: >>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 02:20:59PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 04:10:56PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 01:05:11PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>>>> Case of only a few monolitic packages is essentiality simple then case >>>>> of 1000 combined packages. >>>> pkg info -a on one diff with pkg info -a on the other >>>> for the full content: pkg info -a --raw on both end and diff them. >>>> >>>> That should cover your case, no? >>> >>> No, that may cause a much false positive: slight different versions, >>> unimportant packets and etc. In 1000 packets this give to many noise. >> >> If you don't need version numbers, you can list just package names >> pkg query %n >> or package origins >> pkg query %o > > currently: > > [...] > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > base > [...] > >> Anything else is on your side and even if I understand your complaints >> (and I agree with some of them) I don't thing it will change anything on >> the future of packaged base. >> So it is better to spend our time on working local solution to new >> problem. It has some pros and some cons and I hope the pros will >> outweigh cons. > > I am don't talk 'this is imposible'. I am talk 'this is awkward'. > What purpose for paclaging base system? packaging for packaging? Or > packaging for simplify and comfortably management, maintance and > upgrade? I hope it will simplified updates. Freebsd-update was so unreliable and unpredictable for me that I returned to the "make buildkernel && make buildworld" on builder machine and "make installkernel && make installworld" through NFS on destinations. And it has some cons too - recompile whole system and reinstall on all machines instead of just some small package. It has it's impact on size of backups too. Miroslav Lachman
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