From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 14 6:21:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC2F37B7B5 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA33963; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:55:17 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:55:17 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Brad Knowles Cc: Brett Glass , Doug Barton , Paul Richards , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Merger, and what will its effects be on committers? Message-ID: <20000313235517.A33142@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <4.2.2.20000313103859.0410fe30@localhost> <4.2.2.20000312160425.00b16e80@localhost> <4.2.2.20000312122651.00b1e880@localhost> <4.2.2.20000312144558.04190e80@localhost> <4.2.2.20000312160425.00b16e80@localhost> <4.2.2.20000313103859.0410fe30@localhost> <4.2.2.20000313111904.041e0c00@localhost> <4.2.2.20000313131120.041d91f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 09:38:58PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad, On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 09:38:58PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > Speaking as the FreeBSD Release Engineer, and as a member of the > FreeBSD Core Team, I suspect that Jordan's statement is pretty much > final. Anybody who wants to ship something with the FreeBSD > trademark associated with it will need to include at the very least > the same four standard ISO images that he produces and makes > available for anyone who wants to download them and burn them with a > writer. A small point. To the best of my knowledge, 3 of the 4 ISO images are not made available. The first one is. Discs 2 thru 4 are not -- they are part of the Walnut Creek value add. If you want 'em, you've got to pay for 'em. And to the wider point -- FreeBSD isn't an ISO image. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a hard and fast definition of what FreeBSD is. Is it the contents of /usr/src/ (and the associated CVS repository?). If so, that means that the ports tree and the docs are "third party addons". Which doesn't sound quite right -- then again, the ports tree is certainly not a core part of the OS, and neither (with my Doc. Proj. Manager hat on) is /usr/doc. Certainly, if someone were to do # cd /usr/src/release && make NODOC=YES NOPORTS=YES release and try and sell the resulting CDs, I think they'd have every right to call the result FreeBSD. I also think that if someone were to do the above, and (f'rinstance) offered a different installer (by way of 2 different kern and mfsroot floppy images) they'd also be completely within their rights to call the result FreeBSD. If someone were to sell a binary only version, where the binaries had been compiled with Tendra instead of gcc, that's also FreeBSD. Before you can start talking about whether can call something FreeBSD, you need to have a good grasp of what FreeBSD is in the first place. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message