From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 26 11:24:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3441065672 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31478FC0C for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id p6QBNxHf093762 ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:24:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD13020429; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (localhost.lpthe.jussieu.fr [127.0.0.1]) by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBC5406A; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:24:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Michel Talon Organization: LPTHE To: Michal Varga , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:24:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.4.5; i386; ; ) References: <20110726092756.GA90978@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <1311676715.1799.27.camel@xenon> In-Reply-To: <1311676715.1799.27.camel@xenon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201107261324.35657.talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr> X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4E2EA3F5.00E by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4E2EA3F5.00E/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: Subject: Re: Time to mark portupgrade deprecated? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:24:40 -0000 Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:38:35, vous avez =C3=A9crit : > Sure, why not kill one of the biggest strengths FreeBSD is known for > while we're at it... Or most obvious weakness ... The biggest strength was a good kernel, better= =20 than Linux, but this was years ago. >=20 > Two questions: >=20 > Who will provide the infrastructure to build me all of my packages the > day/hour/moment moment I need them and constantly build me the i386, > amd64, athlon-tbird optimized, k8-sse3 optimized, -O2 and -O3 optimized, > intel-core optimized, and intel-p3 optimized batches for all of my > machines? >=20 > Who will constantly build and maintain my custom set of binary packages > and all their dependencies built with the exact specific OPTIONS that I > need and without the components that I don't want? This stuff you are mentioning is the precise reason why people have problem= s=20 with the ports system. By the way, all your optimisations have next to zero= =20 impact on performance, and introduce a sizable probability of bugs. And the components you don't want use an infinitesimal part of your hard disk a= nd=20 nothing in your memory. At the end of the day this sort of feature buys no= =20 benefit at all and introduces an infinite combinatoric complexity for people wanting to test the ports system.