From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Jun 25 21:25: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from seven.slakin.net (adsl-67-112-126-134.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.112.126.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E498B37B400 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.slakin.net [127.0.0.1]) by seven.slakin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9670F7F0; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Snow To: Sanjay Bhattacharya Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Long live The Penguin!!!! In-Reply-To: <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz> Message-ID: <20020625210810.E69266-100000@seven.slakin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I started using Slackware Linux in late 96', yes I loved it. around a year and a half ago I started using FreeBSD and came to love both. But I disagree with 2 of your opinions: 1) NetFilter/IPtables/chains is more complex then ipfw/ipfilter, I have read several articles on iptables and read the man pages, it is still nonesense to me. compare a rule set from iptables to ipfw or IPFilter, most anyone with networking knowledge could decipher ipfw or IPFilter. Where as I still get confused with iptables. 2) keeping your kernel source up to date is far easier on *BSD then Linux. all I have to do is run `cvsup /etc/stable-supfile` to get the latest kernel *and* system binary sources. As for compiling app's on FreeBSD its a sinch! choose your poison: locate or find, (`find /usr/ports -name appname` or `locate appname`) then cd into the port directory (cd /usr/ports/category/appname), and make all instal. I find this much easier then going to a site in lynx, finding the download, untar'ing and running ./configure;make;make install. This is just MY OWN personal opinion. I believe both Linux and *BSD have its use's and place's. * * * * * * * * Matt Snow (@) drama@slakin.net (w) http://slakin.net. On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote: > Please guys (the anti Penguin lobby), relax. I've been making my bread and > butter out of Linux for the last 3 years. And I am a Sun Certified System > Administrator. Still I've chosen my work field to be Linux. Why? Because I > am in love with the penguin. As for me I haven't found anything that's > drastically wrong as it always happens with Winblows. On the contrary there > are revolutionary changes in 2.4 series kernels. One that has made my life a > lot easier is certianly netfilter/iptables. And as for the libc problem, a > little caution always saved my from big hassles. I am sort of a newbie to > FreeBSD. But one thing I dislike about it is ipfw. Its so complicated. In > contrast iptables in Linux is a pleasure to use. Apart from that upgrading > Linux kernel is an easy task. I always patch my kernel with the latest > updates and then I compile it. It runs like a dream. And believe me, I > haven't faced a single problem in the last three years. But one thing I > always avoid is rpm's. You might call me an old timer but I've my faith on > the sources. And the configure/make/make install/ has always given me what I > wanted. And to say nothing of the device recognition capabilities of the > Linux kernel. I thank my lucky stars again and again that I don't have to > bother about the HCL, thanks to Linux. So I think the Penguin is doing a > great job. And under no circumstances it is inferior to the daemon. I want > to conclude with the slogan ..."In Penguin I trust". > > rgds, > Sanjay > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message