From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Aug 6 05:19:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0047BB0C18; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 05:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com (mail-io0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E33B1C9F; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 05:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id b62so317198573iod.3; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 22:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=XYBgyGTph1tIWCYxLUYGKn+j1s7aeIWKVESQom1RAUY=; b=GCz9wrEEqVDX/GWLFA1UHwQe9dJoNtVFl0tz01IAImGxS+1E9V/WtO3f8MPqt2s5QB nsJY4M556/MU/+mvQcrkiOHUM9KVtnuMBqR65MTVgrFMM2T7V7d67Tn2chJ+Fv18CbEG HkjZAYtbJQfFj7Eg2CDxCUAn3YM0qo/wJSB8Oqtjg0AnHOIMZMS7Gheo6fUGRWyS/FmC n1HCIsjXsDYvtPYDUgpOhmvZqGlAS+od+HzAVwGEbzmRQujp6ERGdLJlwmZzSQrRTTmt XYkcQHxn1dzm0xrSPhq29nm7nKGoAwQIbxmrCuYZ4JhjUqQuFCYWU0GMFFhkjp8PDbyD LbRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XYBgyGTph1tIWCYxLUYGKn+j1s7aeIWKVESQom1RAUY=; b=f2YsZS4BIo9EqW0NIDgSVzo2BBWtvPKqcrsPemFY2o2pvetH2cOL1WzjCfcl64Lpxv 3KFEjDJScb/kSxL2gfGDlVErWBSV61zdYumFKSzW/So1GA/woYT5CnUvvGXjOuPYGoGs la3jyP2rh/aWtD9rVWnyrwbMg9yomTa0MkIw+LaJKBZGRUDNuDVKaRhv4HE4usQ5TAH5 Y67MOxKpvTeE21LaRKtdzr3pLHKXaMTlF92yTzSurCuHD9hm990Q9PaU8EPSSuz0Viwz J4snBZn1j51QBrsBCS1Q9ZEhfh0OoMdz0kVKyn2U26BzAjRBePkE1zyP/7K2APjpRaRf kJkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvtdfFGpjk5WxJYQFHEFdMEavllMxnggX+3wV9BqHHN8VmcwokQjGG+TS5pBMigPKW2L4JmkIdAco0Bvg== X-Received: by 10.107.140.205 with SMTP id o196mr93192214iod.42.1470460762766; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 22:19:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.143.11 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:19:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160805153236.GA16908@funkthat.com> References: <64302b19-9f33-4267-af44-7fc30ea4bf3d@email.android.com> <56434F34.6040707@sorbs.net> <20160805153236.GA16908@funkthat.com> From: "K. Macy" Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:19:22 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SzeFmZuqNUEqWPJuQ6DkDzV032A Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64 To: Adrian Chadd , Michelle Sullivan , Anna Wilcox , freebsd-arch , Marius Strobl , Sean Bruno , Jordan Hubbard , sparc64@freebsd.org, Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 05:19:23 -0000 >> I'm all for keeping an architecture like sparc around, as long as >> there's active development and active users. MIPS has both. ARM has >> both. Powerpc has both. Sparc is missing some active developers, but >> it has plenty of FreeBSD users that speak up (and more users that only >> speak up privately.) So, if you want to see sparc64 support continue, >> this requires a grass roots effort to get more development happening - >> either users need to step up, or someone has to start contributing >> money. > > If you care, then give donations to the FreeBSD Foundation, and say > you want/need sparc64 and/or sun4v support... That isn't how a c3 works. There are plenty of useful functions that the FF provides. Specifically directing donations is not one of them. > Or find a developer to pay for the work... These are the straight > forward ways to keep sparc64 alive... This is the only path that's guaranteed success. But it's unlikely that the user base is going to be able to offset much more than a small portion of the financial opportunity cost.