From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 13 07:29:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD1016A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.net.pl (36.226.149.195.tld.pl [195.149.226.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 577D543D41 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucas@office.net.pl) Received: (qmail 4140 invoked by uid 700); 13 Mar 2004 15:29:21 -0000 Received: from c79-26.icpnet.pl (lucas@office.net.pl@62.21.79.26) by 36.226.149.195.tld.pl with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 15:29:20 -0000 From: Lucas Czejgis To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:27:18 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <4B3F673172B98D449EBCC3BE8316F524014B32@exch4.elcsb.net> In-Reply-To: <4B3F673172B98D449EBCC3BE8316F524014B32@exch4.elcsb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403131629.21662.lucas@office.net.pl> Subject: Re: Installation - More user friendly X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucas@office.net.pl List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:29:23 -0000 > Most non-technical people like GUI's because they neither want to know nor > should they need to know the gazillion command line entries and options. > That's the kind of thing that makes us "the pros" at what we do. PC's > didn't become popular for home use until the advent of the GUI. Apple, > despite many technical decisions that I can't agree with, are still with us > because of the wonderful user interface. Windows, all bashing aside, is > not the most desirable operating system for a variety of TECHNICAL reasons, > but it still maintains it market share. Why? Because it offers two things > 1) the comfort factor that comes with familiarity and 2) the "wizards" to > accomplish fairly complex tasks by making selections in a GUI. This alone > should point out that the user interface is NOT a technical issue. > > I think that the ultimate flaw in much of the logic I see here is in > assuming that we, being the programmers, system administrators, hackers, > etc., that we all are on list, know what end users want. We soooooo are > NOT the average end user. I think I can safely say that we left being end > users ourselves behind so long ago that we've forgotten what it's like. > Think about what your Mother (or at least mine :)) would want to use. > Actually having to go to the command line, when you've been trained by > decades of M$ products that this a very bad thing to do, and type stuff in > terrifies her. She's always certain that she's going to make a mistake and > blow things up. > > > 2 cents, > > Jimi I agree with you in 100%. I remember when I first tried to install FreeBSD. It was simply a Horror! After about three times, I decided that this is not the day, when I install FreeBSD. Propably, the reason why I decided to let it go, is that I was used to Mandrake's way of installing a OS. Now, I thing that sysinstall is simply great. I could install FreeBSD with my eyes closed. But then... I thing that the FreeBSD need to decide, if: a) FreeBSD is a OS for everyone = make a GUI installer b) FreeBSD is a OS for those, who know more, that a "ordinary" user knows = stay with sysinstall or something similar The decision must me made, sooner or later (propably sooner)... Lucas Czejgis