From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 17:59:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA0B16A4BF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 2p.hu (fehercapa.kektintahal.pirospolip.hu [195.70.35.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6E343FB1 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wigyori@2p.hu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 2p.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C089720A; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:01:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fehercapa (fehercapa [195.70.35.189]) by 2p.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6667B9720A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:01:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Zoltan HERPAI X-X-Sender: wigyori@fehercapa.kektintahal.pirospolip.hu To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: AMaViS-ng. Subject: HPT302 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:59:53 -0000 Hi, Is there any chance to expect official support for HighPoint's Rocket133 cards built on HPT302 chipsets in the upcoming 4.9 ? I've 'hacked' together a seems-like-to-work support for it (the card works like an HPT372, so writing in the PCI IDs and copying some parts of the source were enough), but I don't want to rely my life on this. TIA, -w- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 06:35:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BCE16A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beowulf.devnetinc.com (beowulf.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E9443FDF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crome@devnetinc.com) Received: by beowulf.devnetinc.com (DEVNET, Inc. Mail Daemon, from userid 1003) id D4C8D20002F9; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:42:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cromedome (proxy.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.227]) 76A9220002F7 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:42:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jason A. Crome" To: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:36:35 -0500 Organization: DEVNET, Inc. Message-ID: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:35:41 -0000 Good localtime() to you, I am in the process of setting up several x86-based FreeBSD servers and = will be in need of a quality backup solution. Which tape drives, in your experience, play nicely with FreeBSD, and what software would you = recommend to go with it? Thank you for your time and consideration. -------------------------------------------------- Jason A. Crome Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com http://www.devnetinc.com =20 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 07:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A90F16A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.freebsdsystems.com (mx1.FreeBSDsystems.COM [216.138.197.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0991E43FB1 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@FreeBSDsystems.COM) Received: (qmail 45329 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2003 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from mx1.freebsdsystems.com (HELO mail.freebsdsystems.com) (lnb@freebsdsystems.com@216.138.197.66) by mx1.freebsdsystems.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from h34.c218.tor.velocet.net ([216.138.218.34]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lnb@freebsdsystems.com) by mail.freebsdsystems.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51028.216.138.218.34.1062685292.squirrel@mail.freebsdsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> References: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lanny Baron" To: "Jason A. Crome" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:21:31 -0000 Hi, You did not say what capacity and what type of connection to your new servers. As for software, we just use dump. It works great. Lanny Jason A. Crome in the last message apparantly wrote: > Good localtime() to you, > > I am in the process of setting up several x86-based FreeBSD servers and > will > be in need of a quality backup solution. Which tape drives, in your > experience, play nicely with FreeBSD, and what software would you > recommend > to go with it? > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Jason A. Crome > Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. > E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com > http://www.devnetinc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Lanny Baron Proud to be 100% FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM Toll Free: 1.877.963.1900 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 07:33:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB26216A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beowulf.devnetinc.com (beowulf.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEAF43FF5 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crome@devnetinc.com) Received: by beowulf.devnetinc.com (DEVNET, Inc. Mail Daemon, from userid 1003) id 0B99520002F9; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cromedome (proxy.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.227]) by beowulf.devnetinc.com (DEVNET, Inc. Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id C307820002F7; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:40:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jason A. Crome" To: "'Lanny Baron'" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:34:08 -0500 Organization: DEVNET, Inc. Message-ID: <000301c372f1$996dcaa0$2600a8c6@cromedome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <51028.216.138.218.34.1062685292.squirrel@mail.freebsdsystems.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:33:11 -0000 I forgot to mention. . . The systems are IDE machines. I'm not opposed = to sticking SCSI in, but would like to avoid the extra cost if possible. = There is approximately 160 gig of storage on each box. Thank you for pointing that out ;) -------------------------------------------------- Jason A. Crome Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com http://www.devnetinc.com =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Lanny Baron > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:22 AM > To: Jason A. Crome > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Recommendations for Tape Drives? >=20 >=20 > Hi, > You did not say what capacity and what type of connection to=20 > your new servers. >=20 > As for software, we just use dump. It works great. >=20 > Lanny >=20 > Jason A. Crome in the last message apparantly wrote: > > Good localtime() to you, > > > > I am in the process of setting up several x86-based FreeBSD servers=20 > > and will be in need of a quality backup solution. Which=20 > tape drives,=20 > > in your experience, play nicely with FreeBSD, and what=20 > software would=20 > > you recommend > > to go with it? > > > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Jason A. Crome > > Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. > > E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com > > http://www.devnetinc.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >=20 >=20 > = =3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D > Lanny Baron > Proud to be 100% FreeBSD > http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM > Toll Free: 1.877.963.1900 = =3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/f> reebsd-hardware > To=20 > unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 08:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3543016A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CF6543F85 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasondic@sbcglobal.net) Received: from adsl-67-125-129-106.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net (HELO 192.168.1.2) (jasondic@sbcglobal.net@67.125.129.106 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2003 15:06:23 -0000 From: jasondic@sbcglobal.net To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:01:51 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> In-Reply-To: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309040801.51727.jasondic@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jasondic@sbcglobal.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:06:24 -0000 I'd go with an HP IDE travan drive. HP is known for being very throughrough in their engineerig process, but all travan drives are "low end" and have a high rate of failure, but consider them the best of the bunch. If you're looking for series data protection, then you must get SCSI, and probably move up to something like a DDS4/5 drive. For more data storage/speed of backup, the top of the line right now is Ultrium or DLT320 (I'd stick with HP however, so Ultrium (LTO) is the best bet). Unfortunatly you pay a pretty penny for storage in tape drive megabytes. Those LTO 1 drives can store 100gb native, 200 compressed (at least in theory), but they can cost around 5 thousand dollars a peice! The travan drives can be had for much much less, but then they have a higher then normal failure rate compared to all other tape drive types (hence their low cost). The idea of a low end backup solution involving tape drives hasn't truely been realized in my opinion. For any real backup you'll have to spend a good dollar. Just my two cents... -Jason On Thursday 04 September 2003 06:36, Jason A. Crome wrote: > Good localtime() to you, > > I am in the process of setting up several x86-based FreeBSD servers and > will be in need of a quality backup solution. Which tape drives, in your > experience, play nicely with FreeBSD, and what software would you recommend > to go with it? > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Jason A. Crome > Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. > E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com > http://www.devnetinc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 12:29:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B700316A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251BE43FDF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: from isi.edu (keg.isi.edu [128.9.160.108]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h84JTsn26053; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F5792D2.3020703@isi.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:30:26 +0100 From: Lars Eggert Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfischer@Techfak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060001010804050100070008" Subject: Re: ugen0: X10 Wireless Technology Inc USB Receiver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:29:57 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060001010804050100070008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bjoern, bfischer@Techfak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE, Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:32:25 +0100: > ATI's All In Wonder graphic adapters come with an USB wireless remote, > which identifies as: > > ugen0: X10 Wireless Technology Inc USB Receiver > > Now I'm looking for hints on how to start hacking up a tool to get > infos on events (button press, etc.). Any idea where to start? was there ever any progress on this? I have the same remote, and was hoping to get it working under FreeBSD. This page (http://remotew.free.fr/linux_en.htm) points at the Gatos project, which has a Linux driver (ati_remote) that seems to make the remote show up as a USB keyboard: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12629 That may be a start... 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tigerfish2.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8528eBo002569 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:08:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb@tigerfish2.my.domain) Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8528enj002568 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:08:40 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030905020840.GA353@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:56:31 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:36:35AM -0500, Jason A. Crome wrote: > > I am in the process of setting up several x86-based FreeBSD servers and will > be in need of a quality backup solution. > I'd consider ATA based DDS-4 tape drive. I have the Seagate DDS-4, in SCSI, and it works fine w/out any fooling around. Use dump and restore to do incremental backups, and you should be fine. Bruce -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 20:51:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2858E16A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praetor.linc-it.com (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF10E44005 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-19-159-39.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.159.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by praetor.linc-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE31154F6; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id CBD5D20F2A; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:51:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:51:49 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: jasondic@sbcglobal.net Message-ID: <20030905035149.GM40413@over-yonder.net> References: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> <200309040801.51727.jasondic@sbcglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309040801.51727.jasondic@sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:51:55 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:01:51AM -0700 I heard the voice of jasondic@sbcglobal.net, and lo! it spake thus: > > The idea of a low end backup solution involving tape drives hasn't truely been > realized in my opinion. For any real backup you'll have to spend a good > dollar. The problem is that over the past (say) 5 years, hard drive capacities have increased by close to 2 orders of magnitude, and the prices have gone *down*, so the price/meg is MORE than 2 orders of magnitude lower. In that time, tape drive capacities have maybe doubled, maybe a bit more than doubled, and the price/meg hasn't even fallen by 50%. These days, it's often cost effective to just buy a few Big Honkin' IDE Drives(tm), and stuff 'em in some removably trays to use for backup. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 05:36:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E377816A4BF for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE1843FEC for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:36:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id A659B2FF92; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by canoe.velocet.net (Postfix, from userid 101) id 912A81D1C25; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16216.29514.525065.112490@canoe.velocet.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:28:10 -0400 To: jasondic@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: <200309040801.51727.jasondic@sbcglobal.net> References: <000001c372e9$8faef460$2600a8c6@cromedome> <200309040801.51727.jasondic@sbcglobal.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.14 under 21.4 (patch 12) "Portable Code" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendations for Tape Drives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:36:14 -0000 >>>>> "jasondic" == jasondic writes: jasondic> On Thursday 04 September 2003 06:36, Jason A. Crome wrote: >> and will be in need of a quality backup solution. Which tape >> drives, in your experience, play nicely with FreeBSD, and what >> software would you recommend to go with it? I agree with other sentiments expressed here: low cost tape solutions have never materialized. If you look at the various systems, the tape media (just the media, not the drive) often costs more than the disk it backs up. Considering that a 120G disk just cost me $150 (Canadian $'s) ... and good 100G backup tapes are more than that... your cheapest backup solution is to rotate IDE drives on a schedule. My current home backup plan uses snapshots for short-term "oops I deleted something" backups and an older tape drive for which someone else paid for the tapes for a small amount (10G) of more important files. For the office, I'm very seriously considering building a RAID-10 with 3 plexes (in vinum parlance). You can still use snapshots for short term backups... but for longer term backups (and disaster recovery) you break off the third plex each day and send it offsite. With 3 or 4 spare plexes, you've got a reasonable duration off backups... and freebsd's ATA code will handle this all (attaching and detaching drives) just fine. After breaking off the third plex, of course, you add a new one back. You can do this with only two plexes if you like to live more dangerously. Now... please take note: non-spinning hard drives are _not_ a long term storage solution. You must fully realize that you're doing a cheap backup solution when you do this because you're not including archiving in your plans. non-spinning hard drives are unlikely be be readable in a very short number of years (compared to tapes). Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 08:18:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DD016A4BF for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4225443FF9 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nullentropy@lineone.net) Received: from lineone.net (orbital.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.215.230]) by smithers.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE7924EFF8 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:18:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3F58A93E.8030705@lineone.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:18:22 +0100 From: Robert Downes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Recommendation requested X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:18:30 -0000 Can anyone recommend to me a DVD drive (with CD-ROM capability) that FreeBSD does not seem to have any trouble using? Or, if none of you think there's any point in having a DVD drive in FreeBSD, a good CD drive. I bought a new Shuttle system recently just for FreeBSD, and I somehow managed to choose the only CD-ROM drive that FreeBSD 5.0 doesn't seem to recognise. A Samsung SC-152 CD-ROM drive that WinXP is quite happy with, but FreeBSD sysinstall just says "CD drive? What CD drive?" So, can anyone recommend a DVD+CD-ROM drive that they are as-good-as-certain will appear unto FreeBSD 5.0 and above? --- Bob From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 09:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3644816A4E5 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-97.apple.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AB043FBF for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haarberg@mac.com) Received: from webmail04.mac.com (webmail04-en1 [10.13.11.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h85GZjXn020025 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail04 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail04.mac.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h85GZjlj024601 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1701937.1062779745035.JavaMail.haarberg@mac.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:35:45 -0700 From: Ryan Haarberg To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: newbie : FreeBSD and Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:35:46 -0000 I am in a position of managing a webserver that serves a Java based application. It currently is deployed on a Windows XP machine but we are in the process of moving this application. The application requires Java 1.3.1 or above so I think that we are OK there, now. I am however new to FreeBSD and am wondering how hard to expect to install and deploy an application like this? And what complications would should a person perceive in doing this project? Thank you in advance, Ryan Haarberg From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 10:15:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611B516A4BF for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pan.gwi.net (pan.gwi.net [207.5.128.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813D244008 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:15:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ah4@mlz.us) Received: from andy.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by pan.gwi.net (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85HF04Q032088 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:15:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ah4@mlz.us) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1701937.1062779745035.JavaMail.haarberg@mac.com> X-Homepage: http://www.nachoz.com X-PGP-Key: RSA-1024 http://www.nachoz.com/andy.pub X-System-Info-DB: PostgreSQL-7.3.3 X-System-Info-RT: rt-3-0-4 X-System-Info-WM: windowmaker-0.80.2 X-System-Info-httpd: apache-1.3.28 X-System-Info-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-#0 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: aharriso@andy.gwi.net From: Andy Harrison To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie : FreeBSD and Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:15:02 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 05-Sep-2003, Ryan Haarberg wrote message "newbie : FreeBSD and Java" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I am in a position of managing a webserver that serves a Java based > application. It currently is deployed on a Windows XP machine but we are in > the process of moving this application. The application requires Java 1.3.1 > or above so I think that we are OK there, now. I am however new to FreeBSD > and am wondering how hard to expect to install and deploy an application like > this? And what complications would should a person perceive in doing this > project? Your timing is good, given this recent announcement: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2003-August/000905.html ~~ Andy Harrison (full headers for details) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP1jEuVPEkLgodAWVAQFd0QQArLY1Z9osxCDqpWqy9wiFbG1oXzeiHQD9 nH9tWS7X4DFfh2K4NIAboWg1bg/wEupTptLisfHAIsY59gT9VR+vSyEjVJ+Mszx/ Wm9p3/ns1tNho95MfGmPL/kG/7xUOcw+Jaqo69Y4l0vykk/DHJePy+DNVOq2icwC LiyT2Nyh76k= =H9FF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----