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Date:      Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:28:53 +1100
From:      jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
To:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Frustrated with bsd
Message-ID:  <19981130172853.A15528@caamora.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981129224044.21519A-100000@adam.enteract.com>; from John Sconiers on Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 10:49:47PM -0600
References:  <000001be1c14$904de420$f6a08318@9zt3t.ce.mediaone.net> <Pine.BSF.3.96.981129224044.21519A-100000@adam.enteract.com>

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On Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 10:49:47PM -0600, John Sconiers wrote:
> > I know that many people are using Free Bsd in their systems. I'm curious how
> > these people have been able to figure where to start in using the system. I
> > was expecting to find some insight here on the web but there is none to be
> > found. How to download the software is as clear as mud. A person must be
> > completely familiar with FTP and Free BSD before attempting to download and
> > install it. If Free bsd is to get into the main stream there must be a
> > better way for people to get useful and clear information as to how to
> > install and download this system. The books that I have found are of no
> > great help either. This operating system is only good to those who already
> > know it!
> 
> 
> The best way to start off is to order the cdrom set that comes with the
> book.  This explains everything and walks you through most questions plus
> a lot easier than downloading.  A few things you need to consider is that
> you'll probably want to partition your hard drive so you can switch back
> and forth between Windows and FreeBSD until you get comfortable enough to
> just switch completely.  
> 

this is about teh best advice on teh thread .. a few others have suggested 
going it tough, but that not waht a microsoft windows user is geared up for.

when i first started unis 20 years ago and also 4 years ago after a 10 lear 
lapse .. it was hard going, even though i had some prior knowledge secondtime 
around.

this doesn't meant its too hard, i'm a disabled person not teh wheelchair 
kindm but one with a broken brain that kankes it hard to remember, and to use 
eyes and hands in an orderly and efficient nammer, incider joke says that i'll 
never be a good us marine.

one other thin i will highly recomend is to join freebsd-newbies this mailing 
list can be a real life saver fro first time berkeley unix users and 
expesially those from a microsoft windows background. -newbies, is a place to 
find out about finding out and teh howto of it as well. it can also show you 
what you need to find out. a really good place to find out, also aunty sue is 
nice person.

> 
> > 	If you know of any sites or books that discuss the features of FreeBSD and
> > have examples of how to use FTP to download it, I would appreciate the
> > information.
> 
> Save yourself a lot of trouble and just buy the cd-rom and book.  I could
> even burn you a copy of the cdrom however you *STILL* would need the book.
> It's a must have when you first start off.  You might also want to
> subscribe to a mailing list or two and get the essential system
> administration book by ORA.  Last but not least make sure your hardware is
> compatible...it can save you a lot of pain.
>

while i have, e frish's book, and g lehey's as well, teh former is teh better 
written of teh two from a 'learning' perspective. greg, wrote teh 'teh 
complete freebsd v2' as one big how-to. this is good when you get familiar 
with the words but can be a but awe inspiring till yo get teh basic 
definitiuons down and learnt.

on teh other hand,  miss frish has wriiten a good starters guide to basic 
system administration, it is not freebsd (or even berkeley unix) specific and 
leave teh reader (espcially if tehy are new and don;t understand thet they 
don;t know yet) hung out to dry inplace, that is just hanging thier wondering 
how they got thier. also its an o'riely book set to make money and so tehy 
sweep teh field and don't clearly enough delineate the sometimes significant 
difference in philosphy twix teh various unicies.

yes, freebsd-newbies a good place to be and to start teh whole freebsd 
experience. 
 
another suggestion, that would help a real lot, is that od finding a local 
berkeley unix user group, or get a couple of like minded people together on a 
saterday afternoon in teh local library reading room and just discuss 
problmes, dreams goals and 'war stories', this is about teh quickest way to 
learn, and one of teh most enjoyable.

regards

jonathan

ps, please excuse teh typing and teh spelling, what my uncordinated muscles 
don't messup my dsylexia sure does.

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Jonathan Michaels
PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia
===========================================================<jon@caamora.com.au>


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