From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 2 15:38:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC7437B419 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFDCD78319; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:08:36 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:08:36 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Message-ID: <20020403090836.K26122@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020401153352.02b99760@nospam.lariat.org> <3CA8EB5F.2E91B408@mindspring.com> <1017709221.71119.5.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <3CA91382.4E4E2B@mindspring.com> <1017714456.71119.20.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <3CA93944.D72D6AB7@mindspring.com> <004501c1da0f$7cd67a80$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20020402162112.B26122@wantadilla.lemis.com> <007001c1da81$34acc9e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <007001c1da81$34acc9e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Quoted text artificially shortened. On Tuesday, 2 April 2002 at 22:01:41 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Greg writes: >> OK, I'll bite. How do I compile Galeon (or any other free >> software, for that matter) under Microsoft without first finding >> lots of other odds and ends I need? > > You don't. You download Microsoft Internet Explorer and run that. But it doesn't do what I want. You seem incapable of more than two levels of quotes (maybe due to MUA limitations), so you removed the text we were discussing. Here it is: >>>> Sorry, I don't want to invest 6 hours pulling down sources just to >>>> find out I need more sources, until eventually I have converted >>>> whatever OS I am using into Linux. >>> >>> This would only take a few minutes if you were running Windows. What you're doing is changing the terrain to ignore the problems. That doesn't solve them. > Or you run Opera, which is an even faster download. You don't need > to recompile or build anything. But it's crap. >> What isn't as simple as "Windows"? Why? > > Getting a decent browser isn't as simple, as multiple posts here have made > clear. Why? Because UNIX is still a geek's operating system. There are no good browsers for Microsoft either. >> It's faster to do it over a 28.8 kb/s modem with Microsoft? > > No, it's just very hard to imagine anyone geek enough to run FreeBSD as a > desktop having a 10-year-old modem as his connection to the Net. Don't all > geeks have broadband by now? No, but that's irrelevant. You're trying to make it look as if Microsoft is faster, and that's just plain misrepresentation. >> I don't see any galeon binaries there. > > Galeon is not what you'd be running. Look for Internet Explorer. Internet Exploder is not what you'd be running. For me, it wouldn't be galeon either, but with FreeBSD you have a choice. >> This is a viewpoint you haven't substantiated. > > You disagree that servers and desktops are two different types of > machines? Yes. >> Not true. I use Linux binaries as a matter of course on my FreeBSD >> boxes. > > And what about binaries for all those other flavors of UNIX? I'm not currently running any. > Why do you need different binaries in the first place, if they can > all interoperate? Why, do you need different binaries in the first place? They can all interoperate. Do I really need to explain that to you? >> Nobody needs Microsoft. It's just the path of least resistance. > > People who have to do real work in real-world business environments > _need_ Microsoft operating systems, unless they have requirements > limited enough to run on a Mac. Not true. > Virtually no one has such restricted requirements for IT that they > can run UNIX on their desktops. Virtually no real computer user has such restricted requirements that they can run only toy operating systems. I stopped using Microsoft about 10 years ago, and I haven't found anything I miss. Every time I'm forced to use it, I end up in a bad mood. 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