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Date:      Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0400
From:      Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com>
To:        Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca>
Cc:        Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu>, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Andy Young <ayoung@mosaicarchive.com>
Subject:   Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca> wrote:

> Steven Hartland wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk"
> >
> > > My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is
> > > its
> > > installation structure :
> > >
> > >
> > > It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution
> > > directly as it
> > > is .
> >
> > I disagree, we find quite the opposite; FreeBSD's current install is
> > perfect
> > its quick, doesn't install stuff we don't need and leaves a very nice
> > base.
> >
> > Linux on the other had takes ages, asks way to many questions, has
> > issues
> > with some hardware with mouse and gui not work properly making the
> > install difficult to navigate, but most import its quite hard to get a
> > nice simple
> > base as there are so many options, which is default with FreeBSD.
> >
> > In essence it depends on what you want and how you use the OS. For
> > the way we use FreeBSD on our servers its perfect. So if your trying
> > to suggest its not suitable for all that's is incorrect as it depends
> > on what
> > you want :)
> >
> I worked for the CS dept. at a university for 30years. What I observed
> was that students were usually enthusiastic about trying a new os. However,
> these days, they have almost no idea how to work in a command line
> environment.
>
> If they installed FreeBSD, it would be zapped off their disk within minutes
> of the install completing and they'd forget about it.
>
> They install and like distros like Ubuntu, which install and work the way
> they expect (yes, they expect a GUI desktop, etc).
>
> When they get out in industry, they remember Linux, but won't remember
> FreeBSD (at least not in a good way).
>
> Now, I am not suggesting that FreeBSD try and generate Ubuntu-like desktop
> distros. However, it might be nice if the top level web page let people
> know that the installs there are not desktop systems and point them to
> PC-BSD (or whatever other desktop distro there might be?) for a desktop
> install.
> (I know, the original poster wasn't a PC-BSD fan, but others seem happy
>  with it. I'll admit I've never tried it, but then, I'm not a GUI desktop
> guy.:-)
>
> Just my $0.00 worth, rick
>
> > Regards
> > Steve
> >



Absolutely I do NOT have any idea against PC-BSD . My wish is that it
should be much better than its current state . My suggestion is that it
needs testing before its releases especially on bare metal with new and
previously installed different operating system hard disks .

Installation success on a VM ( Virtual Machine ) is very misleading because
a VM is an artificial environment and it is supplying some services which
they are not available in a bare metal machine .

FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike
very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about what is going
on ) and I never use it ( in spite of I am installing each release of it ) .

My ideas are about "parameters set by installation" for "desktop users" ,
not for computing experts .

Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk



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