From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 25 09:42:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F60114DA68 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-qmta-at51-1.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-qmta-at51-2.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CD7E7CB2E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.218.20] (helo=vie01a-dmta-at52-2.mx.upcmail.net) by vie01a-pqmta-at51.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1gQqlR-0001HU-5D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 10:31:41 +0100 Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at52.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1gQqlF-0004Ef-OB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 10:31:29 +0100 Received: from t61.lan ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id 49XQ1z00M4YLlkt0B9XQ9i; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 10:31:24 +0100 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=O6RJhF1W c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=_9VPlNeGl1FRPLjBwNoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 10:31:22 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) References: <20181124194356.26dd5ad7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181124211546.5e2d4bdd@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20181124211546.5e2d4bdd@archlinux> X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201811251031.22367.dr.klepp@gmx.at> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2CD7E7CB2E X-Spamd-Result: default: False [9.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gmx.at]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.983,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.37)[asn: 6830(1.95), country: AT(-0.10)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.914,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.emig.gmx.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.991,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; FROM_NAME_HAS_TITLE(1.00)[dr]; FORGED_MUA_KMAIL_MSGID(3.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6830, ipnet:62.179.0.0/17, country:AT]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:42:13 -0000 Am Samstag, 24. November 2018 schrieb Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions: > I guess that criminals are criminals, because they will get as much > income for as less work as possible. Now could you please give a description of "polititian" that differs significntly from your definition of "criminal"? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... 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November 2018 schrieb Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions: >> I guess that criminals are criminals, because they will get as much >> income for as less work as possible. =20 > >Now could you please give a description of "polititian" that differs >significntly from your definition of "criminal"? > >Nik Politicians and stockbrokers share many of the same characteristics as criminal psychopaths. The only difference is that career high-flyers usuall= y stay within the law. Some could be defined as "successful psychopaths", according to Lisa Marshall, a psychologist at Glasgow's Caledonian Universi= ty. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 25 12:21:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659EA11523B9 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM05-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092014083.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.14.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5730582876 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:36:55 -0000 Shalom This page https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/3/openlog/ lists #include #include as includes on a FreeBSD system. On Linux there's no mention of stdarg.h. I was wondering if stdarg.h is only needed on FreeBSD if you call vsyslog() and the documentation just doesn't mention that. From what I can tell, stdarg.h isn't needed on FreeBSD if I only call openlog() and syslog(). Also today is Small Business Sunday. I have an offer to help someone who is willing to use my software here: http://webEbenezer.net/about.html Thanks in advance. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again. http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 25 18:35:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E6D113D08A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81B5F71AE2 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1543170956; x=1545762956; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=o07Aj7AenPml76T4Lqf1rR57SVg7ZM7p5qzmFvLNBLg=; b=R6diMSmT2CrtqOlyZmyCjr8282kJ85zZBFP0ZaAxkpJjqkC4TzuwXGdK+zOhtN4MqrKIzmp7zIZw1Xn81RLbntia6G6OU2sMAu962OriTwWkIsWr5azFSq6gcjH+sCy9YO/bhC3bqXljJEJePDq9FIKVYDKfHY1tqy8/Fhhvzrg= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDBjOWM0ZTIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 25 Nov 2018 13:35:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 25 Nov 2018 13:35:36 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gQzFm-000NxC-2h; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:35:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:35:33 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Brian Wood Cc: tclug-list , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Includes for syslog() Message-Id: <20181125183533.a2ba2f6f66e4856f29d3b846@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 81B5F71AE2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.82 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.667,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (-0.37), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.18), asn: 7381(-0.15), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:35:57 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:40:40 -0600 Brian Wood wrote: > Shalom > > This page > https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/3/openlog/ > > lists > #include > #include > > as includes on a FreeBSD system. On Linux there's > no mention of stdarg.h. I was wondering if stdarg.h > is only needed on FreeBSD if you call vsyslog() and That's correct, nothing about syslog needs you to include stdarg, but you'll need the macros in there if you want to call vsyslog. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 25 18:40:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9A5113D40F for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6310C71F0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wAPIFtYJ053570 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:16:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Back again on Ryzen stability To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:15:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6310C71F0C X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.71)[0.709,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.62)[0.621,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.751,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[country: IT(0.03)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:40:41 -0000 Hello. I'm evaluating a hardware upgrade and I've set my eyes on a Ryzen 7 2700 (coupled with an MSI B450-A Pro and 32GiB of RAM). I don't intend to overclock. I've read many reports of stability issues with this kind of CPUs, but I think I understand they are gone. Right? Can I go ahead safely? Will I need 12.0 or can 11.2 just run fine on this hardware? bye & Thanks av. P.S. I'm choosing that MB because it's cheap and more or less suits my needs. If anyone could recommend a MB with VGA port, 4 DIMM slots, 6 SATA ports and an onboard Intel NIC (only thing missing from the above)... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 00:28:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7848A11481D5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D1607D917 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.48.66]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MeTkC-1ft6zA46Mu-00aR8d for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:28:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:28:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" Message-Id: <20181126012820.2f862cc2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wtl8WRuvZsuaxvek+T3ZWf//5Mk1uSU9ZeJR92DBTLD/ZZmiKz2 lZKSqUzBjzxmpQRrmjSkhysHEa4SYGgZWoz4YLYD5ez80rDnF0OhZz2xWgyK9VojTRxgiY9 uf5g0irmSFHwhdezO77CjCVkLhKhgvb0MnJpSzQ+5eKZQbxNF+8JEh1o4aFsVIdFCaDqyA9 MLqKYOQ9FkLA1zJ5PNEDA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:eM+wgc+X2ms=:qIcF7DuUQKU37+IUWStAe9 3In46zjLuMQXD+Xb/5GHFZ00BGiDSBorub/MNS3CuSX8hMaU55mwg589rleQECZ9c/MN8n25V QjeUaNYdr/Zow22ESUMHUkjlW9cPZo9Yt1Vtiz+IO949b9rFnsG72fXKoi140hp7+zjUvMmu2 hV8hGBPnuwrodH3kev2bOdPgoxzPDL9hoEMWSxtU2BR+u+jtw1FdCynjbv1DbtUjFuSx3+FD5 Ae463sOxj6qrO7eHOWUyyfix/b1S/zgFIWIMQmkHFiM3gAnobCLN/fWSvl4HeD7VEl3lmZcPD gQ2/QKkid3jQynE6ByZ0qc7DbiyKS9nEeFB9AM0VYCmhTOir+063jT6wYdtfA4D0enxIoQfhv b9lsItFQBvglDOs+vEFgAhMjAySL8WRTA7EkvBiRzU1KVmzqWWEZqrPB8tOXUrDSUkNISMqsN Psk34iY36PGVXIpZIo1eCa4GLePMRk8DURlwNa9hbPtVgV4voZxelrBuSoIdHHvU5oDRrgpqJ diO84sxrj2tJBrHe8yqoKnNJQEfzJxu42bnHvzlICSJfh0DDxRZufcVRaBTx97SMLNa9j7Gi8 GbdhGwInht555dXqOBkv3WPJBI8X3e4ZqJFFMNHffTEU2N/EAgWxAKBMdnMXOr5eNZW5OqibD MiKJ7JQNHLWYK7bnfCnJlphkCBwJb9wLyB/zbmIR3v6aODn4+moIujd07PLJPaugvbDigGfUD 60zVutn0kAFhpBamRJmZR3sc35/lCGlpd74f3gjNOT+thO1r3wbYWnfZ9EFlYTjbAagqSmUGV Z0kQFiAKfdHoSUfoLG776EEifz1UA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D1607D917 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.68 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[66.48.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.35), asn: 8560(0.11), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.192,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.54)[0.537,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.61)[0.613,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:28:29 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:21:46 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > Microsoft publicly deprecated the SMBv1 protocol in 2014. Unfortunately, this > nullifies the use of "mount_smbfs", I was wondering if there are any plans to > update the "mount_smbfs" utility? Well, I don't think so. The FreBSD provided tools for mounting non-native filesystems don't seem to be the adivsed choice. Just as mount_ntfs has been removed from the OS and its functionality transitioned to FUSE, access to CIFS shares should probably be done with FUSE, too. Luckily, there's SMBNetFS (sysutils/fusefs-smbnetfs), which looks like the natural replacement. See: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-smbnetfs/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/smbnetfs/ Unlike mount_smbfs, it supports the recent versions of Samba. I wouldn't be surprised if one day /usr/sbin/mount_smbfs would no longer be present after a regular FreeBSD install... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 00:28:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8668F1148234 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F35027D945 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id R4iugiG04WnTiR4iygpqsU; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:26:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:26:00 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix Message-ID: <948738C25BB780D76F9A2A5A@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKxc9uX8FNtlHY04m7xfJFOqT8jiS1BRflFRcfj8n/TbNtZGjkW0y687pHeYAivLEIXNrwvyGVtRI2guE7MohhhfMQUwU7RTv4NdKjIGyGN1n6Y7M0Es xBA/A+95xCL36X1JcRAEx1H4EzIBK8cLYL51TWlm+j531T9EDn+X67WXqQIumtBRQnmcpNxPKh4hWg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F35027D945 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.967,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.32)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-0.84), asn: 7843(-0.67), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com,dnvrco-cmedge02.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.17)[-0.173,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:28:52 -0000 Here's a copy of parts of the "virus": 1) It uses /bin/bash. Won't work on FreeBSD unless you've aliased /bin/bash to /usr/local/bin/bash. Why would you do that? 2) Uses yum and apt-get to installed needed utilities. Neither exists on FreeBSD. 3) Uses a number of other commands unique to Linux to run various things. Again, won't work on FreeBSD. 4) The script has to be installed on the server, which means the server first has to be hacked. At that point, the script is the least of your worries since you're already compromised. Doesn't look like a problem on FreeBSD to me. --On November 24, 2018 at 3:13:37 PM +0000 Carmel NY wrote: > This looks like a particularly nasty virus. > > https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-linux-crypto-miner-steals-your-root-pas > sword-and-disables-your-antivirus/ Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 08:13:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9E41151082 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EEB98C684 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1543219997; x=1545811997; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=04nDkCZroPbR5QDSI34YmjwEAY0b8oCYBF7i5xOYY7k=; b=XZHfNcwEb0OGyFD2BCLbja2/Hc3VPlRlPKhudFw1OCFdYhLHvSmpyJvO0YfgvmgLZdj4FSBfeVAyU6u00PwQKfzfP7RlWx3XwmAbn9CxNo0mHxPe/gXIFiErGtdChhOoBR8lbpbut+sSLIbD+SfYn08eoKkOvVQ41FDxMKuX73E= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDBjZDM5M2EuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.5.202.82]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:13:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:13:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRC10-0002T2-R0; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:13:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:13:10 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix Message-Id: <20181126081310.026376ddcaad286971909626@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <948738C25BB780D76F9A2A5A@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <948738C25BB780D76F9A2A5A@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6EEB98C684 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.69)[-0.695,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.17)[ip: (-0.39), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.20), asn: 7381(-0.16), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:13:18 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:26:00 -0600 Paul Schmehl wrote: > Here's a copy of parts of the "virus": > > > 1) It uses /bin/bash. Won't work on FreeBSD unless you've > aliased /bin/bash to /usr/local/bin/bash. Why would you do that? > 2) Uses yum and apt-get to installed needed utilities. Neither exists on > FreeBSD. 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outlook.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.965,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/14]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.89)[-0.890,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outlook.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[17.11.92.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.43)[-0.427,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[outlook.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:02:42 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:28:20 +0100, Polytropon stated: >Unlike mount_smbfs, it supports the recent versions of Samba. >I wouldn't be surprised if one day /usr/sbin/mount_smbfs would >no longer be present after a regular FreeBSD install... ;-) Honestly, it it is not updated to work with SMB3 or better, it is for all practical purposes, impotent. Perhaps, FreeBSD 12 would be a logical place = to put the utility to bed. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 12:31:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C299211044C1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpp302@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com (mail-qt1-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31BA570D89 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpp302@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id t13so17241854qtn.3 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:31:18 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JrkD4zjsPoR0/aqCDk3ix/DZOthjkZbThLIYIIUXv7E=; b=t8Q3mCbAiVwK1EqqYUtGehwunDCCJUUGdE71daCAT6l0h8hYNQzKof/smg+VuIGVZo 29MfhgLa32Bf5bXN+aZZRlYWmx1w7WQLXuNfQnk0UTStXMq6bSo1cHhs/kgkASiy5+5s CtYtsA5853YUh9JrtgToAi0IkfCQ8zEZeZTOJ566J6MRsDfhUP1fmrjn939Q2QJU83vg C4G4wvCqG/p2wlCXC1EM+P3vtLyMKnI6fNA8JXqp3ZDwZOyB+Y56lBlJZ4qBnv4bskUX tgi7HrlYilR2ZZMpNebgyqcYCudEElTl32f6fvXjCsMasOI7Xm6ms/eEGCh1UkvyXxfj Ze+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLe8AH3X2p30dx3Z4/iumSwld25joiHSPb1AaHeUsiOG1JKJlEE 6ACOFdNtoOWxaAqk7NYtM26PT+IeHt8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fon2kGOqjUodt4sLSLp1cjnudLyaEarBEzFih7PE3hD3RFmd3QYQDixzMWH0OKQy+C8yWvpQ== X-Received: by 2002:aed:2dc5:: with SMTP id i63mr26273821qtd.173.1543235015263; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-f174.google.com (mail-qt1-f174.google.com. [209.85.160.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 24sm145042qkp.65.2018.11.26.04.23.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-f174.google.com with SMTP id d18so17213250qto.8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a0c:87dd:: with SMTP id 29mr26035457qvk.212.1543235014657; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:23:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:23:41 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 31BA570D89 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[180.160.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.01)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.58), asn: 15169(-1.40), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[0mp@freebsd.org,mpp302@gmail.com]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[0mp@freebsd.org,mpp302@gmail.com]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:31:19 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 13:22, Carmel NY wrote: > Microsoft publicly deprecated the SMBv1 protocol in 2014. Unfortunately, > this > nullifies the use of "mount_smbfs", I was wondering if there are any plans > to > update the "mount_smbfs" utility? > Support for newer SMB versions is mentioned in the MeetBSD 2018 Vendor Summit notes: https://wiki.freebsd.org/DevSummit/201810 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 12:53:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69BD11337E9 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576FA72256 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; bh=lVqWu5A0dAGlwfZYAoaU7QQKfWUKOcE/0wgIPuvq06E=; b=oSl0oX15pzIzynwTUSwgm7sFrQ 9MJS9pRl3koZMQRB711V15zyprv+L4UHLfo/zD/iw211sA8weBVito1fZqHekD/VlMb78reY4xSfW UNLY9HH1RP+/pz8gORfMw7OmkB22I7i+Nxspbae5xEExcPr8YIxzhk4nqC+OdGjjQoVE=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRGNn-000NfW-B6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:52:59 +0700 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:52:59 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 576FA72256 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.550,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; MX_INVALID(0.50)[greylisted]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.04)[0.045,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.178,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[asn: 20473(0.87), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:53:12 -0000 Dear Colleagues, I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of the message by adding a footer. This behavior invalidates the sender's digital signature with "dkim=fail (body hash mismatch; body probably modified in transit)". I think, according to the common sense and RFC6377, the Mailman should either remove the "DKIM-Signature:" when modifying the body, or refrain from modifying the body, or add its own valid "DKIM-Signature:" from scratch. What is currently happening does not make sense. Whom do I contact about it? An example of this behaviour can be seen in the message with Message-Id: <20181126081310.026376ddcaad286971909626@sohara.org> and others. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 14:17:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33915113719D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 976B075865 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E95221C484 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/E95221C484; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181126012820.2f862cc2.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <74ad82b9-719d-6acd-c371-bcf6515a0d57@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:17:17 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 976B075865 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.36 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.937,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.71)[0.714,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.71)[0.713,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:17:37 -0000 On 26/11/2018 12:02, Carmel NY wrote: > Honestly, it it is not updated to work with SMB3 or better, it is for all > practical purposes, impotent. Perhaps, FreeBSD 12 would be a logical place to > put the utility to bed. FreeBSD 12.0 is almost out the door, and the chance to make such changes there is long gone. FreeBSD 12.1 or 13.0 would be where mount_smbfs could be removed, and now is actually a pretty good point at which to propose deprecating SMBv1 support for those versions. Traditionally, that starts by sending an e-mail to freebsd-arch@... -- if you'ld like to be credited for the suggestion, please by all means do propose removing mount_smbfs there. Of course, it will need a src committer to actually do the deed, but that's not likely to be a major obstacle. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 16:10:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8911113AD9C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84DA57A646 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wAQGARZk083588 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:10:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id wAQGARSE083585 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:10:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:10:27 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> Message-ID: References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.fig.ol.no X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 84DA57A646 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.920,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.65)[-0.645,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fagskolen.gjovik.no]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.019,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-0.01), asn: 224(-0.11), country: NO(-0.01)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no,trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no, trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:10:43 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:52+0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the sender's > "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of the message by adding > a footer. Are you sure? When I received your message, the hash was made up using Message-ID, Subject, To, From, Date, and In-Reply-To. I failed to find the latter field. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; bh=lVqWu5A0dAGlwfZYAoaU7QQKfWUKOcE/0wgIPuvq06E=; b=oSl0oX15pzIzynwTUSwgm7sFrQ 9MJS9pRl3koZMQRB711V15zyprv+L4UHLfo/zD/iw211sA8weBVito1fZqHekD/VlMb78reY4xSfW UNLY9HH1RP+/pz8gORfMw7OmkB22I7i+Nxspbae5xEExcPr8YIxzhk4nqC+OdGjjQoVE=; > This behavior invalidates the sender's digital signature with > "dkim=fail (body hash mismatch; body probably modified in transit)". > I think, according to the common sense and RFC6377, the Mailman should either > remove the "DKIM-Signature:" when modifying the body, or refrain from > modifying the body, or add its own valid "DKIM-Signature:" from scratch. What > is currently happening does not make sense. > > Whom do I contact about it? > > An example of this behaviour can be seen in the message with Message-Id: > <20181126081310.026376ddcaad286971909626@sohara.org> and others. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 16:59:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B57113C73D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BC157CC65 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id 79so17012773wmo.0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:59:20 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CHGfgeHi06ccab/8oREqzJNYqYZdtTPyNPDR/NSFraw=; b=cn4S0eCx8EL/TEEH6mu89Q768Yt1VVr2tK0vkQNbKKIrgLyZ0XWfln3BPcCTlUjPLc Ta8uEDoJNfhOzwBb5tBTQmI4OpmO+qZz5qHqf4dPuItYmx894uTIQTFvhaLd6WtvF6ym X6uJKBH9fbJX05IDADAKgT0vqyVOd7AbP8nXPWOrZO9JdUY6A/o1664R2aHLnoBheq5A nJKxgUW4PWYH23Dc/m8/yp50l0ShPvabbHehtXRW98JVHwdhR9bk2xaB9CMlA32YDgOD rYUxv03WO/ap1WnvWHt9Gk2TQU5AuSkVgmeTEZtXmgll7vUAGOnVLh051IZFu93j0otj U8Nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLVujvEJjINQyTjM1ndH81XK2yGUz9BUc7/v4bCx3757Ravvh2m AiDvPnRE9y3l18eN7S9ToUwkGzuubLU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5f1tzTeGz1CoD4xG+fgkMzKvnI0/LEFInm/GDhPMm9POSrB5+aOlsHCs5S7Nozm5eM0ECVUCA== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c5d1:: with SMTP id n17mr24383951wmk.152.1543251558958; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([90.211.70.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z13sm571181wrq.19.2018.11.26.08.59.17 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:59:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:59:16 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181126165916.6c6bf874@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7BC157CC65 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.60)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.51), asn: 15169(-1.38), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.713,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[103.70.211.90.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:59:21 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:10:27 +0100 (CET) Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:52+0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > Dear Colleagues, > >=20 > > I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the > > sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of > > the message by adding a footer. =20 >=20 > Are you sure? >=20 > When I received your message, the hash was made up using Message-ID,=20 > Subject, To, From, Date, and In-Reply-To. I failed to find the latter=20 > field. That's legitimate, it signs the absence of that header if it's not present at the time of signing.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 17:21:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941F2113D80E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092001014.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.1.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED9D7E139 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; 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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:22 +0000 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" Thread-Topic: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" Thread-Index: AQHUhLlvO1VyZUr7CUq4lnsb/TAwZA== Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20181126012820.2f862cc2.freebsd@edvax.de> <74ad82b9-719d-6acd-c371-bcf6515a0d57@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <74ad82b9-719d-6acd-c371-bcf6515a0d57@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: FreeBSD Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-clientproxiedby: BN6PR19CA0053.namprd19.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:404:e3::15) To BL0PR20MB2098.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:207:45::10) x-mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-w64-mingw32) x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:32C84C1AC5A6288554FB4DEE6E9B4A0F01A6FAEC04463E8499175913D35E9996; UpperCasedChecksum:B9ECA5C59D18CD94BF859128881FC83F40E758C7418422EAC6BAE3A81523DDA7; SizeAsReceived:7689; Count:51 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [XWbtG/sOhw6KvROlBm/xNpqCp4f+N8A0VRuyS2DSA50=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outlook.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/14]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-0.83)[ipnet: 40.64.0.0/10(-2.15), asn: 8075(-1.93), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outlook.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[outlook.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[14.1.92.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.958,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.64.0.0/10, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:24 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:17:17 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >On 26/11/2018 12:02, Carmel NY wrote: >> Honestly, it it is not updated to work with SMB3 or better, it is for al= l >> practical purposes, impotent. Perhaps, FreeBSD 12 would be a logical pla= ce >> to put the utility to bed. =20 > >FreeBSD 12.0 is almost out the door, and the chance to make such changes=20 >there is long gone. FreeBSD 12.1 or 13.0 would be where mount_smbfs=20 >could be removed, and now is actually a pretty good point at which to=20 >propose deprecating SMBv1 support for those versions. > >Traditionally, that starts by sending an e-mail to freebsd-arch@... --=20 >if you'ld like to be credited for the suggestion, please by all means do=20 >propose removing mount_smbfs there. Of course, it will need a src=20 >committer to actually do the deed, but that's not likely to be a major=20 >obstacle. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Thanks for the suggestion Matthew. I just sent them an email proposing just that. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 17:21:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD57F113D82A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C6F97E163 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 85870 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2018 17:21:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=14f6c.5bfc2b9e.k1811; bh=CMJ+PIwH29B/UkuHhx2GyO3/gxvlS95MSOj0aV+f+Zc=; b=WokN+SQTwxFbX5/KA+JJ/4QuoVkZaFA9EMLCijg9DaTJ+pWIZVtAYf1iznab9WjniJzOJTpWSwCMJDNYGet6+5/Uv68Ippb/lqXpoyjQwqw7FAeRZxqXZpAtX/Ff06PWn8Z4AdnPCicx8mLSze8iT+wDn9/eUqKaUxzXOzZeAYf0L//J91xfHJ6u+14uhOjmcHCKfPg/8LT72hARYihrg9mAHh2iVoMKpu4fo2kg1Sa3bH2Ox2DF3mMGVc/0lzpA Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 26 Nov 2018 17:21:34 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id CDCDB2008E6098; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:21:33 -0500 (EST) Date: 26 Nov 2018 12:21:33 -0500 Message-Id: <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: vas@mpeks.tomsk.su Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5C6F97E163 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.iecc.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.61)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.49), asn: 6939(-3.48), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:37 -0000 In article <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> you write: >Dear Colleagues, > >I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the >sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of the >message by adding a footer. > >This behavior invalidates the sender's digital signature with >"dkim=fail (body hash mismatch; body probably modified in transit)". Quite right. That's how DKIM works. >Whom do I contact about it? Nobody. See RFC 6376, section 6.3. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 18:00:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265BA113E7B6 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CC6F7FF43 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wAQI0bWU084271 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:00:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id wAQI0bxZ084268 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:00:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:00:37 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181126165916.6c6bf874@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126165916.6c6bf874@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.fig.ol.no X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5CC6F7FF43 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.28)[-0.284,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.09)[-0.085,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fagskolen.gjovik.no]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.21)[0.207,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-0.01), asn: 224(-0.11), country: NO(-0.01)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no,trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no, trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:00:44 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:59-0000, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:10:27 +0100 (CET) > Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:52+0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the > > > sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of > > > the message by adding a footer. > > > > Are you sure? > > > > When I received your message, the hash was made up using Message-ID, > > Subject, To, From, Date, and In-Reply-To. I failed to find the latter > > field. > > That's legitimate, it signs the absence of that header if it's not > present at the time of signing. OpenDKIM on my own server, not this one, doesn't take In-Reply-To into account unless that header is present in the envelope. Also, I was unaware of a body hash. My bad. -- Trond. 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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:19 +0000 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" Thread-Topic: Possible updating of "mount_smbfs" Thread-Index: AQHUhLlvO1VyZUr7CUq4lnsb/TAwZA== Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20181126012820.2f862cc2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20181126012820.2f862cc2.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: FreeBSD Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-clientproxiedby: BN7PR10CA0012.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:406:bc::25) To BL0PR20MB2098.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:207:45::10) x-mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-w64-mingw32) x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:6295CFA6C46867F779B35ED039F93CECFDBB83CC51A383F8DDC1F3346144A60A; UpperCasedChecksum:9A1B45830D1A6412D52DE35BA99F12965703A96AB5B1B4649D0484BD9769F124; SizeAsReceived:7554; Count:51 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [Q2qph/TPw2sJ8ZvLh/e/nIiqSnhpXz56QXQVJiMkLzg=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outlook.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.967,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/14]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.914,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outlook.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[61.5.92.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.03)[-0.030,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[outlook.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:22 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:28:20 +0100, Polytropon stated: >On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:21:46 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: >> Microsoft publicly deprecated the SMBv1 protocol in 2014. Unfortunately, >> this nullifies the use of "mount_smbfs", I was wondering if there are an= y >> plans to update the "mount_smbfs" utility? =20 > >Well, I don't think so. The FreBSD provided tools for mounting >non-native filesystems don't seem to be the adivsed choice. Just >as mount_ntfs has been removed from the OS and its functionality >transitioned to FUSE, access to CIFS shares should probably be >done with FUSE, too. > >Luckily, there's SMBNetFS (sysutils/fusefs-smbnetfs), which looks >like the natural replacement. > >See: > >https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-smbnetfs/ > >https://sourceforge.net/projects/smbnetfs/ > >Unlike mount_smbfs, it supports the recent versions of Samba. >I wouldn't be surprised if one day /usr/sbin/mount_smbfs would >no longer be present after a regular FreeBSD install... ;-) Unfortunately, I cannot get it to work. There is virtually no documentation for it. Plus,I just read that it only supports SMBv1, which makes it useles= s for my needs. In addition, I was just reading an article I found with Googl= e that states that I have to have a GUI loaded, There is no GUI installed on = my FreeBSD box, and I don't intend to install one. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 18:58:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695701140A58 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 963C983022 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id z5so15800329wrt.11 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 10:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D5z31V9HgrHXvPWtKeM4588p3Q0quFxRRfJ0ujcrfZA=; b=FklAGhjcwjDK5DwhWix0moCRRvrLKyOeQ49sbTnVH8OGIVh0SkCeF+lDJZV8eWOEJC Ma3MS5ZI9xJ3lcVRNHRVam/Mrv5mi/jB7aoJnpOfKNYvHwsAmw9e8GVL8ivqH/X0uJWB VHpaG64irNlqRTmhmFYA7G+jkxSFFPT6rjGTYP4u5HUbsUcHWdeiSNAn/EIVJkkg39VI 1BwdEzlvqfZNh8b34VpnE5pfnzjjc/o/Ujir9SAW6GTUy+NpMoOO805hIt8cdDsktlqb 05RboVkuakhzduFZJykzQfoUnXATNHoeJBcFucasLwQBq9zRSE3caQWwQ4qnkILk4F0y y6mw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbnpMtQQFI+Q2XCVaM9uVlyAsD55XIxAtXrIYwaU9qEJ6P/5d3v EWN1T9Sn/C9vGjmwyQ8i7sFD94cK4gw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XZqLeS15I2oL4uhKTXDkqOvzLE9BhE3cAEOM7Kg6s69ArzKXwIdrLsVeyXdlSqI58K4DcNDg== X-Received: by 2002:adf:8264:: with SMTP id 91mr24065721wrb.312.1543258713252; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 10:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([90.211.70.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i192sm1913773wmg.7.2018.11.26.10.58.32 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Nov 2018 10:58:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:58:30 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 963C983022 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.59)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.51), asn: 15169(-1.37), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.765,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[103.70.211.90.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:58:35 -0000 On 26 Nov 2018 12:21:33 -0500 John Levine wrote: > In article <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> you write: > >Dear Colleagues, > > > >I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the > >sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of > >the message by adding a footer. > > > >This behavior invalidates the sender's digital signature with > >"dkim=fail (body hash mismatch; body probably modified in > >transit)". ... > >Whom do I contact about it? > > Nobody. See RFC 6376, section 6.3. That's of very little relevance. This is mostly about failing DMARC. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 26 23:28:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA1511488C3 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A932570F08 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 10522 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2018 23:28:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=2917.5bfc81a3.k1811; bh=6YquwOiIJtovOPUbB9ZDqx1lapIzq/4H986aXYfESgs=; b=lv1Y27Glk45+X90AspwJSKR/+w3DSbwS5OHzQG0+sx7QbUd6eeALkWvcj/VUQhBBvv1wQCbm1lsCFJ2eO4FdPl67nS5yB80BkxTUg9M8OjuC94yqg0lNnvhxASK48+dvx5ENEh+QIFQVrzkhdKUh4bQTd7rKNP/+9y8vzljQvsZ61QjkxwjIuONwesZ8uwFVHRZ8cB245tvKMYDT54lBHlSDhbuBYVu+odC+kXuh2miEYzqAJHtJkLtFdccVQsbW Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 26 Nov 2018 23:28:35 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4593A2008E8EE1; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:28:35 -0500 (EST) Date: 26 Nov 2018 18:28:35 -0500 Message-Id: <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A932570F08 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.iecc.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.61)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.49), asn: 6939(-3.48), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[googlemail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:28:37 -0000 In article <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> you write: >> >Whom do I contact about it? >> >> Nobody. See RFC 6376, section 6.3. > >That's of very little relevance. This is mostly about failing DMARC. The message to which I was responding doesn't mention DMARC at all. Can you point out what I missed? It was saying, wrongly, that lists are supposed to strip broken DKIM signatures. R's, John PS: I am painfully aware of all of the ways that DMARC screws up mailing lists, you don't need to rehash that. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 02:11:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA901152040 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDDBC7A611 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=qVVjcfLJPzaccczuurmYnDBm5bNaqjCJMBiJRC3mNaQ=; b=LQmO372spBoWfx2sGAzpkOgLcX koClfT101AXtu0oMn+aJRFxYJM1s1DuHs3AkoQxLXZ/qU1tIuj8EKr53vfqzCjygd1S5bDr8+Xtvf BXKZmBiqZ9ABASTp51XOHKB3ifq6vo+Bl2PuYoEaJLHThbv8JFPOUfAsFC9jIncoYKxo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRSq9-000Lix-N2; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:11:05 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:11:05 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: RW Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127021105.GC79319@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126165916.6c6bf874@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20181126165916.6c6bf874@gumby.homeunix.com> X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EDDBC7A611 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.930,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.270,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.07)[asn: 20473(0.45), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:11:07 -0000 RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:10:27 +0100 (CET) >Trond Endrestøl wrote: > >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:52+0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> >> > Dear Colleagues, >> > >> > I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the >> > sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of >> > the message by adding a footer. >> >> Are you sure? >> >> When I received your message, the hash was made up using Message-ID, >> Subject, To, From, Date, and In-Reply-To. I failed to find the latter >> field. > >That's legitimate, it signs the absence of that header if it's not >present at the time of signing. Oh no, I'm talking about the hash of the *body* of the message. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 01:58:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228121150E15 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C824796B9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=oW8t4RHyHgIeCnOpMnsCkx9RZxGV6UW37ETJ+Hjyi+w=; b=MjYSakp2XFMMEqM1aj5WFyygKB 3PpbYX5QeXRp+ire8PfAPBycIl2UJ7SZY/jFGwTMqrf5VT132Dl0cX/02BrprLxq4M6Bflr72l/cD tXiULDQ/xxm27HdL4lPHMTeO2ZTx9L/R+CtTBggzbeus3k85dKweyG6nzpYB3Dfjfumc=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRSeO-000LKD-5K; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:58:56 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:58:56 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127015856.GA79319@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2C824796B9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.883,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.935,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.40)[0.398,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[admin.sibptus.ru]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[asn: 20473(0.72), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:58:59 -0000 John Levine wrote: >> >>I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the >>sender's "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of the >>message by adding a footer. >> >>This behavior invalidates the sender's digital signature with >>"dkim=fail (body hash mismatch; body probably modified in transit)". > >Quite right. That's how DKIM works. The problem I'm talking about is not in DKIM. DKIM works as expected. The problem is in FreeBSD's mailing list manager which is broken IMHO. > >>Whom do I contact about it? > >Nobody. See RFC 6376, section 6.3. See RFC 6377 "The best general recommendation for dealing with MLMs is that the MLM or an MTA in the MLM's domain apply its own DKIM signature to each message it forwards and that assessors on the receiving end consider the MLM's domain signature in making their assessments. (See Section 5, especially Section 5.2.)" -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 02:25:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B10911535DA for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A872D7B3E3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 56167 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2018 02:25:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=db65.5bfcab0b.k1811; bh=TUBChZ+yg13W3FntdaAmbjleSwq1v1aVgT8UT2wFyzw=; b=ejWjw9mCLQ2Bt/NnflWkOeGlV5OCXeXW3oluJmOslAz3fORAmJBDJHTg+DwLxoQ2d5RxTHPn7vIGdecqAhZmfaasvo1VohRgNIm6ABQPXu607uRqx5ETHVOtD/fuxfg3WzYDI+fW6b3rA92R/MSPi5x20Is7Qg9FKrzOAM6vueKAaHhb50uAvJ6pJ7zRsHgHdUps320DlUWK2pemOHqlJdtkRaprd0Y98nsl3KyrILXMgon5tsJjCgfxEUvkFa3i Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 27 Nov 2018 02:25:15 -0000 Date: 26 Nov 2018 21:25:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Victor Sudakov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181127015856.GA79319@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> <20181127015856.GA79319@admin.sibptus.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A872D7B3E3 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.iecc.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.61)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.50), asn: 6939(-3.48), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:25:17 -0000 On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Victor Sudakov wrote: > The problem is in FreeBSD's mailing list manager which is broken IMHO. If you are saying that it's broken because it's not deleting old DKIM signtures, I'm sorry, but you're simply mistaken. I helped write the DKIM specs so I'm not guessing here. > See RFC 6377 > > "The best general recommendation for dealing with MLMs is that the MLM > or an MTA in the MLM's domain apply its own DKIM signature to each > message it forwards and that assessors on the receiving end consider > the MLM's domain signature in making their assessments. (See > Section 5, especially Section 5.2.)" I helped write that RFC. It was and is just guessing. While it would be a good idea for the lists to add their own signature, they're not broken if they don't. And that says nothing about deleting old signatures. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 02:31:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D841153E5E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 041F97B890 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=s+bhEoNMcLb9zlHna8AIgaQ7ftrU/++sQLaK4DDn1Xc=; b=EzS9Vj7zdK9FZQEQgTVhC9lBE9 SKsilyLZpS7qs3yRTDskk7YVY+3pyqwSb555RlC6TFe4BznXcQERF6JUK7SAMRdr/w0sR6igfWEWa zxKhmWw41y2BO6jkoBlNGGYjTIjQu2jqsxXl/+RHDClToUPPdnaWtHQl21zSsaahVtAg=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRTA7-000MMf-Sy; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:31:43 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:31:43 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 041F97B890 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.19)[ip: (-7.44), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-3.72), asn: 20473(0.32), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:31:45 -0000 John Levine wrote: >In article <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> you write: >>> >Whom do I contact about it? >>> >>> Nobody. See RFC 6376, section 6.3. >> >>That's of very little relevance. This is mostly about failing DMARC. > >The message to which I was responding doesn't mention DMARC at all. >Can you point out what I missed? It was saying, wrongly, that lists >are supposed to strip broken DKIM signatures. I never said that "lists are supposed to strip broken DKIM signatures." If you understood my words this way, then I failed to present the problem correctly, sorry about that. The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list manager touched the body. PS I recommend RFC6377 for reading. I learnt much from it. PS2 I think I'll start PGP-signing all my messages to the freebsd lists, so that the mailman cannot touch the MIME-encoded body. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 02:06:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB011151A2A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 671C37A0D8 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=MU8zRlhx4xeVABYNclhNFGYqPB9fJACqVsuURXX8k4s=; b=G7x5JvYFBXii+ujFjBLigNrzo1 5/9MahvGnnlPhvHiSBlmSRS0/qAL6Thy4smOSm7W6C4fkXt5ce5RVjNU2AszBEl5v5NfVA4Jontd5 9qoGFA7TUpODh2BTM0LN0m7eiV9KQl6Mk90XsSLK2JR7c6HqV3jSqG28zlXvaWg0kzc8=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRSm7-000LaV-7y; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:06:55 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:06:55 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Trond =?iso-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127020655.GB79319@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 671C37A0D8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.84)[-0.836,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.929,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.022,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.10)[asn: 20473(0.58), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:06:57 -0000 Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I have noticed that the Mailman which manages this list keeps the sender= 's >> "DKIM-Signature:" header intact but modifies the body of the message by = adding >> a footer. > >Are you sure? Absolutely. You can review this message to the list as a recent example:=20 http://termbin.com/rdsk > >When I received your message, the hash was made up using Message-ID, >Subject, To, From, Date, and In-Reply-To. I failed to find the latter >field. What "latter field" are you talking about? I'm talking about the *body* of the message being tampered with. The hash of the *body* is also=20 signed and present in the DKIM-Signature. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 02:45:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DE31155553 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:45:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9359E7C84B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 62481 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2018 02:45:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=f40b.5bfcafb2.k1811; bh=2BfhT1NpJw22+YUcHnwSLGNOwgLeqtVKtzE1jbWqJ+U=; b=YPnKT/psbPCdD+mBFCF2wf8qPoa8/blwTgj4sjFfUdmOqgs4IiYXHe/p4nFbGl8JL2dCufTx/jLGRQ3S2cmv8mlU22+xyN3p3qXvir0u7/6+nsNbhvYb/OGYl2dswCFi2OsAwESCgk1BtLzUie/8lv0OjqeKeJKqINwmhy8sgwP+5s+ZexSca2EmJBDrlZDnyBDCM4QzaTv66l03umn78Z5YbesAnxaOSXHi9uHwB2XqNTO09ryhE5N6yHuveWjo Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 27 Nov 2018 02:45:05 -0000 Date: 26 Nov 2018 21:45:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Victor Sudakov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9359E7C84B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.iecc.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.910,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.62)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.50), asn: 6939(-3.49), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:45:07 -0000 > The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list manager > touched the body. Yes, we all know that. We knew that a decade ago when we wrote the DKIM specs. That is not news. > PS I recommend RFC6377 for reading. I learnt much from it. Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 03:31:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DE61137BA7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EB757F905 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=YiNSCEHCig0Re8O53S8MGObtGf+N2IAqOM+QgNT/k/Y=; b=Yx4x88nlc+RPNUYRLVttYN8WY7 rG3PTkBhbwn6LbbSetM85gV63f1kbB+4xa7TpSDBUtbZEeDdAitKIlOdiLjuvoPgMn7eok3ZoilX4 6eO6RKdfHD6KL/vs1aPejGqr0KqNY1t+81nPDjO5iUmQA41R1n8lMwOa1fTgAJ/p+m3U=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRU5m-000ODA-6d; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:31:18 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:31:18 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "John R. Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4EB757F905 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.943,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.37)[ip: (-7.97), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-3.98), asn: 20473(0.19), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:31:21 -0000 John R. Levine wrote: >> The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list manager >> touched the body. > >Yes, we all know that. We knew that a decade ago when we wrote the DKIM >specs. That is not news. Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking signatures? OK, fine. > >> PS I recommend RFC6377 for reading. I learnt much from it. > >Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too? For the present, it's annoying to see ugly "red padlocks" near some messages in the MUA. Even no padlock at all would look better. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 03:41:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31E311381DC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 068947FEA8 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 79682 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2018 03:41:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=13740.5bfcbce5.k1811; bh=bnBTOAMBP+nlJGkhVV0F76RFVtEYgugwYzH/ZLa5nmg=; b=r1mBfqXpglSYHhGvacYCywlOcLdBd2w+/uF0Igs2UlxUomjKt6m99ts3/U6p1OeZsZxftmahtPjbnn5H5zqdJDTwUkB8cY5fp0Qg5fSLhZIWgpvEcIQ4+uxN2jvYBkLYYhTiEFf+ydyG3XZHqwuxHUlfsJDtvgDaVEhyT6U2iHd1KNIKhQddbAQ1ucDs42Ko01D51cCVgSzWjRMw82I3Jm58AQtseMiDNXMP12L2//WVOoJSc3U3y5cmAbfFxLnD Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 27 Nov 2018 03:41:25 -0000 Date: 26 Nov 2018 22:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Victor Sudakov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 068947FEA8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.iecc.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.889,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.62)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.50), asn: 6939(-3.49), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:41:26 -0000 > Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these > years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking > signatures? Hey, the freebsd lists don't even limit posts to subscribers, which is about the most basic list anti-spam technique there is. >> Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. > > But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too? Hahahahaha. The anti-DMARC hacks invented for various mailing lists range from bad to truly horrible. There's plenty of info about them if you look. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 07:57:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9488113E179; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EABA569ADD; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRYFH-0002vE-Dw; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:57:23 +0100 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRYFH-0008Ac-B9; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:57:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:57:23 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: pulseaudio fails on start Message-ID: <20181127075723.GA27384@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EABA569ADD X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.96 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[guru@unixarea.de]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.42)[-0.422,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.07)[0.068,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.43)[0.430,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.unixarea.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.02)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:57:34 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to port the OpenSource Mycroft AI Open Source Voice Assistant to FreeBSD. Written in Python for Linux (i.e. with a lot of Linux specials) I have the command line client already working: The assistant is taking commands/request given as speech and answers in text, but not in speech. Details of the solved problems on the port can be read here: https://community.mycroft.ai/t/mycroft-on-freebsd/5119 At the moment I'm struggling with the pulseaudio on FreeBSD which is used by the Mycroft, but does not start on FreeBSD, even not from the cmd line without thinking in Mycroft. When I do: $ truss -f -o tr -s128 pulseaudio --start --log-level=4 W: [(null)] caps.c: Normally all extra capabilities would be dropped now, but that's impossible because PulseAudio was built without capabilities support. D: [(null)] conf-parser.c: Parsing configuration file '/usr/local/etc/pulse/client.conf' D: [(null)] conf-parser.c: /usr/local/etc/pulse/client.conf.d does not exist, ignoring. E: [(null)] main.c: Daemon startup failed. it gives in /var/log/debug.log the messages attached below. The truss output shows that some part of pulseaudio daemon is crashing: ... 2369: sendto(3,"<14>Nov 27 08:41:49 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-oss.c: Output -- 4 fragments of size 4096.",96,0x0,NULL,0x0) = 96 (0x60) 2369: mmap(0x0,16384,PROT_WRITE,MAP_SHARED,11,0x0) = 34366627840 (0x800692000) 2369: getpid() = 2369 (0x941) 2369: sendto(3,"<15>Nov 27 08:41:49 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-oss.c: Successfully mmap()ed output buffer.",97,0x0,NULL,0x0) = 97 (0x61) 2369: SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV) 2369: sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK,{ SIGSEGV },0x0) = 0 (0x0) 2369: write(2,"Failed to handle SIGBUS.\n",25) = 25 (0x19) 2369: sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK,{ SIGHUP|SIGINT|SIGQUIT|SIGILL|SIGTRAP|SIGEMT|SIGFPE|SIGKILL|SIGBUS|SIGSEGV|SIGSYS|SIGPIPE|SIGALRM|SIGTERM|SIGURG|SIGSTOP|SIGTSTP|SIGCONT|SIGCHLD|SIGTTIN|SIGTTOU|SIGIO|SIGXCPU|SIGXFSZ|SIGVTALRM|SIGPROF|SIGWINCH|SIGINFO|SIGUSR1|SIGUSR2 },0x0) = 0 (0x0) 2369: thr_self(0x7fffffffc950) = 0 (0x0) 2369: thr_kill(100527,SIGABRT) = 0 (0x0) 2369: SIGNAL 6 (SIGABRT) ... Here is the debug.log, any ideas how to get this to work? Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] core-util.c: Failed to acquire high-priority scheduling: Operation not supported Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: This is PulseAudio 10.0 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Compilation host: amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Compilation host: amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Compilation CFLAGS: -O2 -pipe -DLIBICONV_PLUG -fstack-protector -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -W -Wextra -Wno-long-long -Wno-overlength-strings -Wundef -Wformat=2 -Wsign-compare -Wformat-security -Wformat-nonliteral -Wold-style-definition -Wpointer-arith -Winit-self -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wfloat-equal -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -Wredundant-decls -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-noreturn -Wshadow -Wendif-labels -Wcast-align -Wstrict-aliasing -Wwrite-strings -Wno-unused-parameter -ffast-math -fno-common -fdiagnostics-show-option -fdiagnostics-color=auto Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Compilation CFLAGS: -O2 -pipe -DLIBICONV_PLUG -fstack-protector -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -W -Wextra -Wno-long-long -Wno-overlength-strings -Wundef -Wformat=2 -Wsign-compare -Wformat-security -Wformat-nonliteral -Wold-style-definition -Wpointer-arith -Winit-self -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wfloat-equal -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -Wredundant-decls -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-noreturn -Wshadow -Wendif-labels -Wcast-align -Wstrict-aliasing -Wwrite-strings -Wno-unused-parameter -ffast-math -fno-common -fdiagnostics-show-option -fdiagnostics-color=auto Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running on host: FreeBSD amd64 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #1 r314251M: Fri Jun 30 08:50:03 CEST 2017 guru@c720-r314251:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running on host: FreeBSD amd64 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #1 r314251M: Fri Jun 30 08:50:03 CEST 2017 guru@c720-r314251:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Found 2 CPUs. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Found 2 CPUs. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Page size is 4096 bytes Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Compiled with Valgrind support: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Compiled with Valgrind support: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running in valgrind mode: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running in valgrind mode: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running in VM: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running in VM: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Optimized build: yes Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Optimized build: yes Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: FASTPATH defined, only fast path asserts disabled. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: FASTPATH defined, only fast path asserts disabled. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Machine ID is 41807f6b8965d38bc4110b3a55be1713. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Using runtime directory /home/guru/.config/pulse/41807f6b8965d38bc4110b3a55be1713-runtime. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Using state directory /home/guru/.config/pulse. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Using modules directory /usr/local/lib/pulse-10.0/modules. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: Running in system mode: no Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] main.c: System supports high resolution timers Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] memblock.c: Using shared posix-shm memory pool with 1024 slots of size 64.0 KiB each, total size is 64.0 MiB, maximum usable slot size is 65472 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] memblock.c: Using shared posix-shm memory pool with 1024 slots of size 64.0 KiB each, total size is 64.0 MiB, maximum usable slot size is 65472 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] cpu-x86.c: CPU flags: CMOV MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4_1 SSE4_2 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] svolume_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized volume functions. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] remap_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized remappers. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] svolume_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized volume functions. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] remap_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized remappers. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] sconv_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized conversions. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] svolume_orc.c: Initialising ORC optimized volume functions. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-device-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/guru/.config/pulse/41807f6b8965d38bc4110b3a55be1713-device-volumes'. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Loaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0; argument: ""). Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-stream-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/guru/.config/pulse/41807f6b8965d38bc4110b3a55be1713-stream-volumes'. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1 Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Loaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1; argument: ""). Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-card-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/guru/.config/pulse/41807f6b8965d38bc4110b3a55be1713-card-database'. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Loaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2; argument: ""). Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Loaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3; argument: ""). Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Loaded "module-switch-on-port-available" (index: #4; argument: ""). Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Checking for existence of '/usr/local/lib/pulse-10.0/modules/module-detect.so': success Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module.c: Checking for existence of '/usr/local/lib/pulse-10.0/modules/module-detect.so': success Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] oss-util.c: '/dev/dsp0' doesn't support full duplex Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] oss-util.c: capabilities: MMAP REALTIME TRIGGER Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] oss-util.c: capabilities: MMAP REALTIME TRIGGER Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-oss.c: Device opened in O_WRONLY mode. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] oss-util.c: Asking for 4 fragments of size 4096 (requested 4408) Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] oss-util.c: Asking for 4 fragments of size 4096 (requested 4408) Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-oss.c: Output -- 4 fragments of size 4096. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-oss.c: Successfully mmap()ed output buffer. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 pulseaudio[2369]: [(null)] module-oss.c: Successfully mmap()ed output buffer. Nov 27 08:41:49 c720-r314251 kernel: pid 2369 (pulseaudio), uid 1001: exited on signal 6 -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub October, 7 -- The GDR was different: Peace instead of Bundeswehr and wars, Druschba instead of Nazis, to live instead of to survive. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 14:30:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482EC114E459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA6D47DE7B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FB92BF2A; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:30:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wKD7xJ5Aynzv; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54EB92BF1F; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:30:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Victor Sudakov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AA6D47DE7B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx32.harte-lyne.ca,mx31.harte-lyne.ca,mx132.harte-lyne.ca]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.31)[-0.313,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:30:43 -0000 On Mon, November 26, 2018 22:31, Victor Sudakov wrote: > John R. Levine wrote: >>> The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list >>> manager >>> touched the body. >> >>Yes, we all know that. We knew that a decade ago when we wrote the >> DKIM specs. That is not news. > > Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all > these years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM > breaking > signatures? > > OK, fine. > A lot of people cared. You can visit the IETF mailing list and read through the reams of discussion regarding the negative impact that DKIM would have on mailing lists. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 15:18:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F0911501AF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F950801D1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD9A718049 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:18:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <5ee38937-1609-6eef-452e-30bd57746fb1@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:18:02 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F950801D1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.36)[-0.356,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.66)[-0.656,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu,cosmo.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.325,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:18:09 -0000 On 11/27/18 8:30 AM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > On Mon, November 26, 2018 22:31, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> John R. Levine wrote: >>>> The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list >>>> manager >>>> touched the body. >>> >>> Yes, we all know that. We knew that a decade ago when we wrote the >>> DKIM specs. That is not news. >> >> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all >> these years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM >> breaking >> signatures? >> >> OK, fine. >> > > A lot of people cared. You can visit the IETF mailing list and read > through the reams of discussion regarding the negative impact that > DKIM would have on mailing lists. > Indeed. Even paper mail (e.g. USnail) does not authenticate sender. Except for certified mail (which still does not fully authenticate sender, or does it?). Otherwise we would pay instead of 47 cents 4 dollars and 70 cents per stamp ;-) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 15:47:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A4B11511ED for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1B668167A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=EJyRGYxbXW2sS9HQDHsPMj4zlJG8UnG+WRm/NTJ18Cs=; b=HeTIY+1/laGELtGKUCih8iG5gc 922yayemUyB70mZANthzUlX6rucSOAOckzxx+PanmRqzNuvePJbepD0PSw8WYHv9CTHwMT9OGkKh1 bWoNOd4ctuLzxsU1ftBvtNCtob/hlP3pG+DiQPEpAi+f0QPXGy5uRtRny1bqPaVsiKpY=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRfaP-000Khp-BJ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:47:41 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:47:41 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "John R. Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B1B668167A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.50)[ip: (-8.33), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.17), asn: 20473(0.09), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:47:45 -0000 John R. Levine wrote: >> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these >> years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking >> signatures? > >Hey, the freebsd lists don't even limit posts to subscribers, which is >about the most basic list anti-spam technique there is. Last time I checked, they did (such a message was held for moderation). Or maybe not all freebsd lists. I'm not sure now that you have mentioned it. I just remember that a couple of times I happened to post to some freebsd list from a wrong E-mail address, and my message was held for moderation. >>> Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. >> >> But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too? > >Hahahahaha. The anti-DMARC hacks invented for various mailing lists range >from bad to truly horrible. There's plenty of info about them if you >look. I'm intrigued. As a person involved with all this stuff, can you recall a couple of truly horrible examples, or just suggest search keywords for me to find them on my own? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 15:51:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DB61151572 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6926818C1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=LqZU9DCY/1mnQWlLZE0pW6ZnLSOqt3gwyI3K02JHhbo=; b=a0yM+1hzpp4MfL40bGpwp2CGXl MYXFtuOLAh/eV6dNQOSX4Ug5Q2BQ7JQ140Cv2/pNqCti7y1otnasryLT/EtV31HcUea6Q7tG0C//4 JaCn0iq77r7hMRR0ExfNeT7Jtxjo+IWEaxt1tJOjhQcwR4FC148+4UAaUDwJVs3/DQko=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRfe3-000Kp0-SM; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:51:27 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:51:27 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "James B. Byrne" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127155127.GB78157@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C6926818C1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.964,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.62)[ip: (-8.66), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.33), asn: 20473(-0.04), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:51:29 -0000 --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James B. Byrne wrote: > > >On Mon, November 26, 2018 22:31, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> John R. Levine wrote: >>>> The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list >>>> manager >>>> touched the body. >>> >>>Yes, we all know that. We knew that a decade ago when we wrote the >>> DKIM specs. That is not news. >> >> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all >> these years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM >> breaking >> signatures? >> >> OK, fine. >> > >A lot of people cared. You can visit the IETF mailing list and read >through the reams of discussion regarding the negative impact that >DKIM would have on mailing lists. And SPF had a negative impact on mail forwarding. And the eradication=20 of open relays had a negative impact on postmasters' comradery.=20 That's a price we sometimes pay. However, RFC6377 was written in 2011 and has some very reasonable=20 points. Why did nobody care to implement them? --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJb/Wf/AAoJEA2k8lmbXsY06w8H/3WkkqRu6ef5/tYMyEHglps1 PVIofGmzhqZYcxzmcrgMpKYDpbIheB0Wdzn6l4+IfYbmetQSvzjZqpPSPhGZDrBr tRCrfI4A553mKDfAcDjqJfZwvWrZWlSA65agwnx++f5be+95pBdOfG3x9UYGEBFd oTdPLNkpdyIH7z3c8umd69OinaCnLS2y6g2ars7GGCOEGJXHkUC1IF57X1B4n6lu 4SQEreE9Ce5bJcg/drQalvIZU0uM6XACbSnfeomYwPZT137tY2zTTm6bnbxP+TP4 iipn7woXWyDhy5+N8IgT7KVkR5VxUmSfoY1lwxg2IPvj79B7abm6GjM+euaS3ak= =8S34 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 16:03:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731201151D70 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D107A82E0B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=Fc4Bt1l9NuUuesgasLkYZoPGseA/MrBu34SDgD7pE3I=; b=KMqBnZGHqp4FaW8unU8B0LUN3d 7dMlp6XRYYcxnFxP2pE9TckYnPyhqoQzmwcMImi4ZNN1JGB9jh1d2SjRdgh5bQCfbXKnD8YYSJbHD D0a7IGsNV3YMSSLjp1FXZhhTWnKUGlrz5u9gvHunV5+oOEqBokaG0RY8EMkUyE2YHmQo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRfpi-000LCg-Mc; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:03:30 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:03:30 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "John R. Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127160330.GC78157@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> <20181127015856.GA79319@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D107A82E0B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.72)[ip: (-8.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.44), asn: 20473(-0.17), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:32 -0000 --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John R. Levine wrote: >On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> The problem is in FreeBSD's mailing list manager which is broken IMHO. > >If you are saying that it's broken because it's not deleting old DKIM >signtures, I'm sorry, but you're simply mistaken. I helped write the DKIM >specs so I'm not guessing here. > >> See RFC 6377 >> >> "The best general recommendation for dealing with MLMs is that the MLM >> or an MTA in the MLM's domain apply its own DKIM signature to each >> message it forwards and that assessors on the receiving end consider >> the MLM's domain signature in making their assessments. (See >> Section 5, especially Section 5.2.)" > >I helped write that RFC. It was and is just guessing. While it would >be a good idea for the lists to add their own signature, they're not >broken if they don't. And that says nothing about deleting old >signatures. With all due respect to you as the co-author of the RFC, it does say=20 something about deleting old signatures. I'm not quoting for you=20 (this would be odd) but for the general public here who are reading this th= read. In "5.7. Signature Removal Issues" the document says=20 "However, if the MLM is configured to make changes to the message prior to reposting that would invalidate the original signature(s), further action is RECOMMENDED to prevent invalidated signatures from arriving at final recipients, possibly triggering unwarranted filter actions. " and it mentions=20 "5. Remove all previously evaluated DKIM signatures;" as one of the possible solutions (among 5 other suggestions). and then again: "Removing the original signature(s) seems particularly appropriate when the MLM knows it is likely to invalidate any or all of them due to the nature of the reformatting it will do. " --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJb/WrSAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0MVYIAKkfYiE/sxD1ya3tw/qEQ8x4 6kydBkhZWxRJ1f18WmEhLW5x6cEyPNcgSRAS/XhxzxCWP/jG1JkvnKvGK909STeD YoxENYinqOyAE+A6t7ptY8IwFaPEY/zdbgLDbLim/GaLLrDRLTGwEmTKhYgvqUWN e0eo5a6OOPrbsiNSuSZo9wMbxCCB3xrtb0CxbVhPMuBnz2ie+W8g69RXNSlmos/J oNMTCr6hn5zBtI9ZlXQs+xc8JRQgx2yYKZUNTXjDI5TaQ8+89GHAAs3dI7ll+bmr H8eqN+WwU3Kcue9QitUMg9o+YWTrGpaBdIWYK310/XBi5nEOk1s8/g1LseLexcM= =3MX+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 16:26:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA9F1152D1C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahanzaib74hashmi@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (n6.nabble.com [162.255.23.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFCC84710 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahanzaib74hashmi@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n6.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6B6ABA7CEF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:26:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:26:28 -0700 (MST) From: "joaba@smith" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1543335988499-0.post@n6.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20181127160330.GC78157@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> <20181127015856.GA79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127160330.GC78157@admin.sibptus.ru> Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8DFCC84710 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SEM_URIBL_FRESH15(3.00)[zohaibpc.com.fresh15.spameatingmonkey.net]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.22)[-0.220,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.08)[0.078,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[asn: 21624(0.01), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.25)[0.247,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[37.23.255.162.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21624, ipnet:162.255.20.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:26:35 -0000 I totally agree with you, but sometimes it is not happening. Filmora Registration Code 2018 -- Sent from: http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/freebsd-questions-f3696945.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 16:53:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D941153DBE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F30B985FC2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=fWMaP7vE6Xd51dv8jFtQUPZx6g+pcIZSZg0XuA6fqe4=; b=UHjiDlz+tMINE1Y/IQrCw6Qpcm zBFVUINLFTGW2Uu9mA2t7jOBjLSzvnNvPvXUcavnRGKjgHhhgDxEpHqyO9SSsr6NSmxQuFEoWZhoJ CqN/XPM9l5M5T65NYk62k6RnL5aQdMxdKBXyScv9NbbULeRQ7GXuDFvGRW/PS/odS2/o=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRgby-000MhE-Vr; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:53:22 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:53:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "John R. Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127165322.GA87173@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126125259.GB86999@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181126172133.CDCDB2008E6098@ary.qy> <20181127015856.GA79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127160330.GC78157@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F30B985FC2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.78)[ip: (-9.02), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.51), asn: 20473(-0.28), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:53:26 -0000 John R. Levine wrote: >On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> With all due respect to you as the co-author of the RFC, it does say >> something about deleting old signatures. I'm not quoting for you (this would >> be odd) but for the general public here who are reading this thread. > >I know it does. Murray was guessing, and he guessed wrong. Which is proved where? Is RFC6377 obsolete now? >"BCP" at the IETF doesn't mean what it sounds like. Then, what is the BCP now, regarding DKIM and mailing lists? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 17:23:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7466E115556C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D095F896DD for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D837971803E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:23:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:23:21 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D095F896DD X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.740,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.79)[-0.785,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.073,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:23:23 -0000 On 11/27/18 9:47 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > John R. Levine wrote: >>> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these >>> years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking >>> signatures? >> >> Hey, the freebsd lists don't even limit posts to subscribers, which is >> about the most basic list anti-spam technique there is. > > Last time I checked, they did (such a message was held for moderation). > Or maybe not all freebsd lists. I'm not sure now that you have mentioned > it. I just remember that a couple of times I happened to post to some > freebsd list from a wrong E-mail address, and my message was held for > moderation. My recollection is: this issue (that freebsd.org mail lists, or at least freebsd-questions@freebsd.org list are/is NOT subscribers only list) is being beaten to death every so often. I once asked to make them subscribers only. The answer was: solid NO. And since that time (which was about a year or two ago), couple of more people asked, and got the same answer. So, if you still have that moderation email, I'd like to see it, as the reason might be different than posting to "subscribers only" list. No offense, I bet you remember correctly, and I might be wrong, and we indeed may have a good news (IMHO) that lists changed to "subscribers only"... Valeri > >>>> Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. >>> >>> But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too? >> >> Hahahahaha.  The anti-DMARC hacks invented for various mailing lists >> range >> from bad to truly horrible.  There's plenty of info about them if you >> look. > > I'm intrigued. As a person involved with all this stuff, can you recall > a couple of truly horrible examples, or just suggest search keywords for > me to find them on my own? > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 17:34:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C04F1155B5A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3B288A013 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [192.168.100.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C3B391C658 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/C3B391C658; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <3591e4c4-624b-9922-1004-9dce02b08e72@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:33:50 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E3B288A013 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.49 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.11)[0.113,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.76)[0.759,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.62)[0.617,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:34:01 -0000 On 27/11/2018 17:23, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > My recollection is: this issue (that freebsd.org mail lists, or at least > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org list are/is NOT subscribers only list) is > being beaten to death every so often. I once asked to make them > subscribers only. The answer was: solid NO. And since that time (which > was about a year or two ago), couple of more people asked, and got the > same answer. > > So, if you still have that moderation email, I'd like to see it, as the > reason might be different than posting to "subscribers only" list. No > offense, I bet you remember correctly, and I might be wrong, and we > indeed may have a good news (IMHO) that lists changed to "subscribers > only"... freebsd-questions@... is special in allowing non-subscribers to post. Other FreeBSD mailing lists require you to subscribe first, and posting from an address not on the subscriber list will mean your message gets held up for moderation, as you experienced. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 20:46:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C1F1137F11 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B05906CB87 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 34676 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2018 20:46:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=8770.5bfdad15.k1811; bh=0dZ3LLIbvfoDQoNjtEuBxa+8ufglo0fDaOms38Onzu0=; b=p9ZxNWDhIT4wD4BP92rDOXF5myCI90TwSKTVhi4AqlHFpbuGgf01BfCjta47g3+n0iyr3VwXO7B2x+Dwx1za4Rk5XO7DV7UmhJsuTLxCw3rbzEZXULzXncXOvymCD7VE1QjotMAo7q05ZyhdU9tOhVJnrhbWUE/IBRI/82EP/ldN9WeoXrce3mTtEmGHLcwR1VnRHgEBw2QHjMHY12k60aeAtp+Q4JaVKfsH5AzGjm1faLxeTMc+2TIc1dbmxHqr Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 27 Nov 2018 20:46:13 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1012C2008F10BE; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:46:12 -0500 (EST) Date: 27 Nov 2018 15:46:12 -0500 Message-Id: <20181127204613.1012C2008F10BE@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list In-Reply-To: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B05906CB87 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.iecc.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.62)[ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.50), asn: 6939(-3.49), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:46:16 -0000 In article <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> you write: >A lot of people cared. You can visit the IETF mailing list and read >through the reams of discussion regarding the negative impact that >DKIM would have on mailing lists. I'm reasonably sure you're confusing DKIM and DMARC. DKIM creates no problems for mailing lists unless the lists go out of their way to do something wrong. DMARC, on the other hand, has been bad news ever since AOL and Yahoo started misusing it to push the costs of their subscriber data breaches on the rest of the world. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 21:03:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8150D113886F for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7E616D670 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBDD2CE5E; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xcq6aRtlGE5B; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 066D62CE53; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <4b92c7797bdb2c7081892057c20b72bc.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <20181127204613.1012C2008F10BE@ary.qy> References: <20181127204613.1012C2008F10BE@ary.qy> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:03:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list From: "James B. Byrne" To: "John Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E7E616D670 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.852,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:03:07 -0000 On Tue, November 27, 2018 15:46, John Levine wrote: > In article > <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> you > write: >>A lot of people cared. You can visit the IETF mailing list and read >>through the reams of discussion regarding the negative impact that >>DKIM would have on mailing lists. > > I'm reasonably sure you're confusing DKIM and DMARC. DKIM creates no > problems for mailing lists unless the lists go out of their way to do > something wrong. DMARC, on the other hand, has been bad news ever > since AOL and Yahoo started misusing it to push the costs of their > subscriber data breaches on the rest of the world. > > R's, > John > You are correct. I misremembered. Regrets, -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 28 02:10:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09C81143337 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 436B4795FF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=eaNNToU00cGb31SYAFvtFK6C0R+lxWyOVjhaBWueU0Q=; b=pqNjRU6ouqEzDj6Ad4V98E07f3 QgOY7IoCVn63PATnOvDvEbCJHGJbNMpHxgE+QKgev5PjfYcOU81/c7T85aHpo+HIzQ3yr2yy0Z1c0 gmZSA5NOuxievEysQwMfVtKm9uvDiM6QJFaAW9OZS+3rsX8762+kKsTPWZKmo/Y5aaUs=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRpJF-0007ld-Kj; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:10:37 +0700 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:10:37 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181128021037.GB29364@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 436B4795FF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; MX_INVALID(0.50)[greylisted]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sibptus.ru]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.970,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.70)[ip: (-8.83), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.41), asn: 20473(-0.15), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:10:50 -0000 Valeri Galtsev wrote: [dd] > >My recollection is: this issue (that freebsd.org mail lists, or at least >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org list are/is NOT subscribers only list) is >being beaten to death every so often. I once asked to make them >subscribers only. The answer was: solid NO. And since that time (which >was about a year or two ago), couple of more people asked, and got the >same answer. > >So, if you still have that moderation email, I'd like to see it, as the >reason might be different than posting to "subscribers only" list. No >offense, I bet you remember correctly, and I might be wrong, and we >indeed may have a good news (IMHO) that lists changed to "subscribers >only"... I don't remember now, it could have been some other list, not freebsd-questions. It it interesting though, that the topic of mailman breaking DKIM signatures was brought up before, like in https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-August/259741.html and came to nothing. I'm deliberatly sending this message from an address supposedly unknown to the list manager. If it comes through, then freebsd-questions is NOT a subscribers only list. 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:47:38 -0000 Hi, I tried running tortoisehg under FreeBSD 10.4 amd64 but I get the startup error: # /usr/local/bin/thg Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/thg", line 62, in demandimport.ignore.extend([ AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'ignore' I tried first package, and then deleted package and built the port. 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Thu, 29 Nov 2018 04:24:06 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 04:23:35 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20181129.042335.305615393456719411.yasu@utahime.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Initial permission of /etc/mail/aliases.db From: Yasuhiro KIMURA X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5C1FC85D29 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [9.75 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:spf-authorized.utahime.org]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.utahime.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2519, ipnet:183.180.0.0/16, country:JP]; IP_SCORE(0.59)[ip: (1.35), ipnet: 183.180.0.0/16(0.68), asn: 2519(1.01), country: JP(-0.10)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAM_FLAG(5.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.972,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[utahime.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:33:29 -0000 Hello, When you install any version of FreeBSD, initial permission of /etc/mail/aliases.db is 640. But this file is generated from /etc/mail/aliases and its permission is 644. So anyone who has account can get all infomation included in /etc/mail/aliases.db from its source file. Then is there any reason that permission of /etc/mail/aliases.db is more restrictive than /etc/mail/aliases? Best Regards. --- Yasuhiro KIMURA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 00:23:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A7E1142023 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay08.ispgateway.de (smtprelay08.ispgateway.de [134.119.228.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFB758E0A7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from [134.119.228.3] (helo=webmail.df.eu) by smtprelay08.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gSA6q-0008Su-Vk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 01:23:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 01:23:12 +0100 From: Markus Hoenicka To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ROX-Filer: overwriting a file on an USB drive truncates it Message-ID: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> X-Sender: markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-Df-Sender: bWFya3VzLmhvZW5pY2thQG1ob2VuaWNrYS5kZQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AFB758E0A7 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.77)[-0.772,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mhoenicka.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.08)[asn: 34011(-0.38), country: DE(-0.02)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxlb.ispgateway.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.014,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.760,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[107.228.119.134.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34011, ipnet:134.119.228.0/24, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:23:24 -0000 Hi, I've recently upgraded my laptop to: FreeBSD wombat 11.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Sep 27 08:16:24 UTC 2018 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I've also updated all installed packages. I keep running into a nasty file copying bug that does not seem to have occurred previously. Result is that overwriting an existing file on an USB drive causes this file to be truncated instead of being overwritten, which means data loss. How to reproduce: After logging in, I start an Xfce session manually: startxfce4 --with-ck-launch mount stick in an xterm, as per handbook. Note that I've set up user mounting of USB drives: mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644,-M=755 /dev/da0s1 /stick/markus open source directory (on hard drive) in a ROX-Filer window open target directory (on usb drive) in another ROX-Filer window drag&drop a file from source over an existing copy on target dialog box asks if it is ok to overwrite which I acknowledge ROX-Filer window shows the correct file size immediately after copying, and after rescanning the directory. ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir also shows the correct file size at this point. umount /stick/markus fails because the device is busy. fstat shows that the ROX-Filer process keeps it busy now I can either use umount -f /stick/markus to forcibly unmount the stick, or I log out of the X session and then use umount /stick/markus without problems then mount the stick again as above, or try on a different computer ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir shows a target file size of zero. It appears that the new data are never flushed to the disk. I've even tried to run umount /stick/markus before umount -f /stick/markus, as this should perform a flush according to the umount man page. This bug appears to be specific to ROX-Filer. I could not reproduce this using Thunar, or plain ol' cp. This bug also appears to be specific to USB target drives, as I cannot reproduce this when overwriting files on the hard drive. I do not think the problem is related to a faulty file system on the target drive as I can reproduce this with just about any thumbdrive and external disk lying around. I've been using ROX-Filer for ages, but I've noticed that neither mailing lists nor bug tracker seem to be active. 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 21sm75043iou.79.2018.11.28.16.41.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:41:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5BFF35DD.8050808@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:42:05 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus Hoenicka , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ROX-Filer: overwriting a file on an USB drive truncates it References: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> In-Reply-To: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C95B78F057 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.82)[ip: (-5.83), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.80), asn: 15169(-1.36), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:41:40 -0000 On 11/28/2018 05:23 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently upgraded my laptop to: > > FreeBSD wombat 11.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Sep 27 > 08:16:24 UTC 2018 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > I've also updated all installed packages. > > I keep running into a nasty file copying bug that does not seem to > have occurred previously. Result is that overwriting an existing file > on an USB drive causes this file to be truncated instead of being > overwritten, which means data loss. > > How to reproduce: > > After logging in, I start an Xfce session manually: > > startxfce4 --with-ck-launch > > mount stick in an xterm, as per handbook. Note that I've set up user > mounting of USB drives: > > mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644,-M=755 /dev/da0s1 /stick/markus > > open source directory (on hard drive) in a ROX-Filer window > open target directory (on usb drive) in another ROX-Filer window > > drag&drop a file from source over an existing copy on target > > dialog box asks if it is ok to overwrite which I acknowledge > > ROX-Filer window shows the correct file size immediately after > copying, and after rescanning the directory. ls -al > /stick/markus/targetdir also shows the correct file size at this point. > > umount /stick/markus fails because the device is busy. fstat shows > that the ROX-Filer process keeps it busy > > now I can either use umount -f /stick/markus to forcibly unmount the > stick, or I log out of the X session and then use umount /stick/markus > without problems > > then mount the stick again as above, or try on a different computer > > ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir shows a target file size of zero. > > It appears that the new data are never flushed to the disk. I've even > tried to run umount /stick/markus before umount -f /stick/markus, as > this should perform a flush according to the umount man page. This bug > appears to be specific to ROX-Filer. I could not reproduce this using > Thunar, or plain ol' cp. This bug also appears to be specific to USB > target drives, as I cannot reproduce this when overwriting files on > the hard drive. I do not think the problem is related to a faulty file > system on the target drive as I can reproduce this with just about any > thumbdrive and external disk lying around. > > I've been using ROX-Filer for ages, but I've noticed that neither > mailing lists nor bug tracker seem to be active. Is it about time to > move on? > > thanks > Markus > Hi Markus, the short of the long .... I have seen this problem man many times. I had found out that the usb stick was a 1X speed stick, and it took the FS and io drivers below it a long time to allocate the free blocks needed to write out the new data. The new blocks are allocated from the list of "oldest blocks on the free list". That is how a flash fs blocks are handled. The old blocks are released to the free list. Thus a 1X flash stick would take forever to do this and receive all the data that is in the dirty memory blocks. I am not saying that YOUR flash device is 1X device. Merely stating that perhaps you are being impatient???? 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Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C98207FFF5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:34:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from [134.119.228.6] (helo=webmail.df.eu) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gSIhn-0005rG-UL; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:33:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:33:55 +0100 From: Markus Hoenicka To: JD Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ROX-Filer: overwriting a file on an USB drive truncates it In-Reply-To: <5BFF35DD.8050808@gmail.com> References: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> <5BFF35DD.8050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f27b27e4adff167df27eaa0151ad407@mhoenicka.de> X-Sender: markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-Df-Sender: bWFya3VzLmhvZW5pY2thQG1ob2VuaWNrYS5kZQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C98207FFF5 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.08 / 15.00]; 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Result is that overwriting an existing file >> on an USB drive causes this file to be truncated instead of being >> overwritten, which means data loss. >> >> How to reproduce: >> >> After logging in, I start an Xfce session manually: >> >> startxfce4 --with-ck-launch >> >> mount stick in an xterm, as per handbook. Note that I've set up user >> mounting of USB drives: >> >> mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644,-M=755 /dev/da0s1 /stick/markus >> >> open source directory (on hard drive) in a ROX-Filer window >> open target directory (on usb drive) in another ROX-Filer window >> >> drag&drop a file from source over an existing copy on target >> >> dialog box asks if it is ok to overwrite which I acknowledge >> >> ROX-Filer window shows the correct file size immediately after >> copying, and after rescanning the directory. ls -al >> /stick/markus/targetdir also shows the correct file size at this >> point. >> >> umount /stick/markus fails because the device is busy. fstat shows >> that the ROX-Filer process keeps it busy >> >> now I can either use umount -f /stick/markus to forcibly unmount the >> stick, or I log out of the X session and then use umount /stick/markus >> without problems >> >> then mount the stick again as above, or try on a different computer >> >> ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir shows a target file size of zero. >> >> It appears that the new data are never flushed to the disk. I've even >> tried to run umount /stick/markus before umount -f /stick/markus, as >> this should perform a flush according to the umount man page. This bug >> appears to be specific to ROX-Filer. I could not reproduce this using >> Thunar, or plain ol' cp. This bug also appears to be specific to USB >> target drives, as I cannot reproduce this when overwriting files on >> the hard drive. I do not think the problem is related to a faulty file >> system on the target drive as I can reproduce this with just about any >> thumbdrive and external disk lying around. >> >> I've been using ROX-Filer for ages, but I've noticed that neither >> mailing lists nor bug tracker seem to be active. Is it about time to >> move on? >> >> thanks >> Markus >> > Hi Markus, > the short of the long .... > I have seen this problem man many times. > I had found out that the usb stick was a 1X speed stick, > and it took the FS and io drivers below it a long time to > allocate the free blocks needed to write out the new data. > > The new blocks are allocated from the list of > "oldest blocks on the free list". > That is how a flash fs blocks are handled. > The old blocks are released to the free list. > Thus a 1X flash stick would take forever to do this and > receive all the data that is in the dirty memory blocks. > > I am not saying that YOUR flash device is 1X device. > Merely stating that perhaps you are being impatient???? > Hi JD, thanks for the heads-up, but I don't think this is related to my present troubles. Remember that I can overwrite files on an USB stick with Thunar or cp, and I can copy files to USB sticks using ROX-Filer. 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Regards,Nova JacobHead of Event Specialist From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 10:10:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FFD115ADF8 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6973381431 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.104.227]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MT9zD-1fxoX61iaF-00Udt6; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:10:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:10:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: gahn Cc: gahn via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: install binary packages without pkg Message-Id: <20181129111019.0d95ebe1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257@mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:vd0pWy52Dir0myrWYm6NoansooG2AyctLV6xt04gmB+/8hTgbCJ qBVJvYrmqH6zyT/pJZP/ShfB3/tlOq3U0u3cW359YY73wvertIkE7UcBfDIElXMzOHABFfr OiAk5VNwdOjS+HDnxrp58/G02QqmeEDD1PrXB/sBoqpI/wR30DBCKNMri3wJimRlmm/X+DD 0HNOdzWOmvcTDkPDBccxw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:oQOrBssdsGk=:IOcc+9leQBCQZVGgzA7iyO aqAYMr8b/5Zz/u63Yy+5r47r/HBViguls6wX7x52cRoC1WRrWz0msOpwKTYuTRXtCtpEa7SBF ZHgaeR1/jFUSjcRrTMkqyMnrVGAt/+2zYnw94KdYW0dUQ07rVjBeJqHLOVEmvsemXTAhO8xAe aJijJjTnEQWp71Q7rQzKKRASDmxNR4sy5Yf6J6PiwqAJVttM1wZq803CN93790Utn5vSYyztp xAPyaaqIswSOVmrmYHsA1Eh+wcKlMCekb/IUyjhGb1GotDxKIVLGadg1D7zODgANvvvAifWS3 mADDW//VVPZJwlSJysgiRdvTcmbeFWPFikVCDcS/tIPBbfrl7qtzFOaqxflzUPtaGG+LikAFh duzwJ97K1jZj62BVO2QWc0SmBbdRk8Va/G+8dWc2Qxk9kj9aNUy2fsJCXXJp++oeP7R79hGaY 3uU1KXZ0BWMyXD782jsvoBncz1TyoOEA6c8hJ/g7EYNl6FgqahpIYFnOWDUW7dvW6LLRKSKu6 PfaOJET6UTt9IPTZbYuGrnzG91JjSe1TNMc1Tjcpfyt+XzUDEwGf9/uQ7pzYjIHeffjRl+vxq JSf2JzL5sGtF+LJ7yMy97sQns63AoqmplXBaOBgqROFoAmX/huq+PHwpLLagkawRkHAuyja8A oYBLgUQXdNNJTPx1zvHriCwlaoystgNbKDAzw9aVRL+Txq0E//Jeq7g4xLSjcWZdYlrJ020vm YRXb+x5wDoiQi6TxbWUvxCqV8vH1EikSmFU/26Bl3pNdTC2AC2HpbR4/hkw= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6973381431 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.73 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.39), asn: 8560(0.11), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[227.104.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.863,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.072,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.81)[-0.810,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[134.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:10:29 -0000 On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:48:40 +0000 (UTC), gahn via freebsd-questions wrote: > i have a freebsd 7.1 station. how could i install binary packages > from freebsd sites without pkg? You probably can't. FreeBSD 7 is long time EOL. It doesn't even have pkg. If I remember correctly, the new pkg system appeared along FreeBSD 8, and became standard around FreeBSD 9. Packages for FreeBSD 7 are no longer being generated for current software. The older pkg_ format and the new pkg format for precompiled packages are not compatible. On a FreeBSD 7 system, you'd have to use the program pkg_install to install packages. As long as they are in the old format, this will still work. It might be possible that you examine the package content, and then manually extract them, so its content gets written to the correct location. This however does _not_ deal with keeping the system's records about installed packages (the package database) consistent with the actually installed software! Again, note that those are in different formats. Is there a reason you cannot upgrade the system to a currently supported version of FreeBSD, and use pkg as intended? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 11:30:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A6D115CA60 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93677845FD for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1543491020; x=1546083020; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=/kUdONaO7PKaHMFn8aq7AQvFIxUeRHTuyvhsnzClVVs=; b=PnMvwomuumV9uHYJnL04Xt+jrWMrX3qwgDfVr2EyBbJH6oFJB3TSkXKsYmF4PYpFmPDFMPds5hYxkgkgv8I5dO2Lls1nfSNDbcH/2ANGb/V8U5XHKZN5VAb6J5E9Vo/35ZNQF6HUsoWB0Q1SfmgGmk3WlFJi5Ek68wQhqLtYF+E= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDExZjE0ZGYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.12]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 29 Nov 2018 06:30:07 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 29 Nov 2018 06:30:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gSKWC-0000Tc-GX; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:30:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:30:04 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: gahn , gahn via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: install binary packages without pkg Message-Id: <20181129113004.7b750510ac512705140a04e2@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20181129111019.0d95ebe1.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257@mail.yahoo.com> <20181129111019.0d95ebe1.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 93677845FD X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.83 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.656,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.18)[ip: (-0.42), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.21), asn: 7381(-0.17), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:30:21 -0000 On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:10:19 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > It might be possible that you examine the package content, and then > manually extract them, so its content gets written to the correct > location. This however does _not_ deal with keeping the system's > records about installed packages (the package database) consistent > with the actually installed software! Again, note that those are > in different formats. However even if you do that there's little chance that the binaries will run unless thay have no dependencies on system provided libraries. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 11:36:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8522115CE8B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from devilock76@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com (mail-qt1-x834.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C13684A76 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from devilock76@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id d19so1515669qtq.9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 03:36:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=8kkZbmO3XCMtI+tPUTT6jDkk552ysApzvdLSeboC2kI=; b=fi7jUBCmZ8BO2nqz1uCAxDX35yiMGC6Z+mbOKK4ux8SaXvDjMbQTqXHKUGIQ5aN0ja BP6MOSknj84XVZEON1tA4ZJeXJqVMVSL1hExcXLsAT6uqkChRPgr/wGyNFC13bd9wArb VMh6xm6Lw7LL25/Mb7oiNULuj2MVtxbLw5mnhxLLKbg8TIy0RYL/kn/VzJInGTf7nsuk 3iXbSEsqWawoBBl2iUEzIMyBbshVBubpGtCquz/DH5Kdvm5m8BATJU/5O7+Ecs+7YeAM WeBqLowAV1Uzd3WUjLQzrxSFDbNiUh/AYe3DqQYpyqDhp6vQHVhBhuUTIPwNc6ulzxrS brUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mime-version:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=8kkZbmO3XCMtI+tPUTT6jDkk552ysApzvdLSeboC2kI=; b=RmZ3as9c0VWhgzLc2barXIdgTFlwmeiV4/8bvwXl3S1ghG43JenE85Oh37N4Fe4bY2 fQKamooW9qmE1IHnH75ONDRHg71amE5FLVHTXM4ICfWvDxblshB9W6VyazU5eVbrgFjb gSj9/1wEIEqa45aaE0Jk8X4BiHZDHbj32x2xd3ConxlVWtaoSkiYOYyQWfoBhAnR/jvj GhZf5WzYJGDP8hOpqTjZOiJjmSUFaAShkydh7GZV5j8d93ots+xPFPWJ3vFaE5xXthau 6HzV018LS81hxPDYOZp4mYmvC4D5JI5fWIaSZXjKX2hXqmfnDihiS9b5JP19eEwAb/k/ KynQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWb3031Fd20t0bYMupUqF04LRSvNMcVkEvKEF0mZnFskyCHatNRt N5ukogMtDS03FbwF9/CrxmD0gG8i X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UJlb3V1nYbfQnC/2ghpbo8wtG81k1V8lkdeIzQP2HCw8Pjx0MNVBmmetAwaq25H4141RIYlw== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:d94f:: with SMTP id t15mr985262qvj.189.1543491409250; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 03:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultron (user-0c99ric.cable.mindspring.com. [24.148.238.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o25sm925303qtj.10.2018.11.29.03.36.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Nov 2018 03:36:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: Ken MacKenzie Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 06:36:46 -0500 From: Ken M To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Power management Message-ID: <20181129113646.GA45451@ultron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2C13684A76 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.853,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.63)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.74), asn: 15169(-1.34), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ken@mack-z.com,devilock76@gmail.com]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mack-z.com]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ken@mack-z.com,devilock76@gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:36:51 -0000 Recently returning as a freebsd desktop/laptop user. I have a thinkpad t440 that previously ran openbsd and now has freebsd 11.2 on it. I am noticing that it seems freebsd is consuming the battery slightly faster. Granted that could easily be explained by perhaps usage. However one thing I cannot seem to dig up is setting a defauly boot brightness. Now the t440 brightness keys work just fine. In fact no tweaks needed. So I am guessing it is a bios function. I was thinking a sysctl setting would do it but case in point. sysctl hw.acpi hw.acpi.acline: 0 hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5 hw.acpi.battery.units: 2 hw.acpi.battery.state: 1 hw.acpi.battery.time: 267 hw.acpi.battery.life: 96 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 36.1C hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C8 hw.acpi.reset_video: 0 hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 1 hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0 hw.acpi.verbose: 0 hw.acpi.s4bios: 0 hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1 hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3 hw.acpi.standby_state: NONE hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: S3 hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S3 hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5 hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5 No brightness settings there. On a whim I thought I would see what xbacklight could do for me. xbacklight -get No outputs have backlight property So I guess the long and short of my question is what would be the correct way to set the brightness at boot? And also is there perhaps any other tweaks I could make to improve battery life? Thank you, Ken From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 12:27:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B16D1139A2F for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=QSJF=OI=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A1A86B57 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=QSJF=OI=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from mordor.lan (unknown [77.109.119.165]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70F611D4FFFC; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:27:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:27:34 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Ken M Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Power management Message-ID: <20181129122734.GR26775@mordor.lan> References: <20181129113646.GA45451@ultron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kAOhhqH5290wydqT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181129113646.GA45451@ultron> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2A1A86B57 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[perdition.city]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.bebif.be,mx2.bebif.be]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.208.191.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.51)[-0.511,0]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=QSJF=OI=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[165.119.109.77.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: BE(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=QSJF=OI=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:27:45 -0000 --kAOhhqH5290wydqT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 06:36:46AM -0500, Ken M wrote: > Recently returning as a freebsd desktop/laptop user. I have a thinkpad t4= 40 that > previously ran openbsd and now has freebsd 11.2 on it. >=20 > I am noticing that it seems freebsd is consuming the battery slightly fas= ter. > Granted that could easily be explained by perhaps usage. >=20 > However one thing I cannot seem to dig up is setting a defauly boot brigh= tness. > Now the t440 brightness keys work just fine. In fact no tweaks needed. So= I am > guessing it is a bios function. I was thinking a sysctl setting would do = it but > case in point. >=20 > sysctl hw.acpi > hw.acpi.acline: 0 > hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5 > hw.acpi.battery.units: 2 > hw.acpi.battery.state: 1 > hw.acpi.battery.time: 267 > hw.acpi.battery.life: 96 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 36.1C > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C8 > hw.acpi.reset_video: 0 > hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 1 > hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0 > hw.acpi.verbose: 0 > hw.acpi.s4bios: 0 > hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1 > hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3 > hw.acpi.standby_state: NONE > hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: S3 > hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S3 > hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5 > hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5 >=20 > No brightness settings there. On a whim I thought I would see what xbackl= ight > could do for me. >=20 > xbacklight -get > No outputs have backlight property >=20 > So I guess the long and short of my question is what would be the correct= way to > set the brightness at boot? And also is there perhaps any other tweaks I = could > make to improve battery life? try to add: in /boot/loader.conf: acpi_video_load=3D"YES" in /etc/sysctl.conf: hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness=3D50 >=20 > Thank you, > Ken > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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And also is there perhaps any other tweaks I could > > make to improve battery life? > > try to add: > > in /boot/loader.conf: > acpi_video_load="YES" > > in /etc/sysctl.conf: > hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness=50 Also try running powerd. Decreasing CPU speed when system load is low might also help. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[209.85.160.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s9sm1003136qta.35.2018.11.29.05.17.31 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id v11so1876466qtc.2 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:17:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2b42:: with SMTP id 2mr1256854qtv.255.1543497451029; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:17:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181129113646.GA45451@ultron> In-Reply-To: <20181129113646.GA45451@ultron> From: Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:17:40 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Power management To: ken@mack-z.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CF2EF6BE6F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[177.160.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[0mp@freebsd.org,mpp302@gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[0mp@freebsd.org,mpp302@gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-0.98)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.49), asn: 15169(-1.33), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:43:50 -0000 Hi On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 at 12:37, Ken M wrote: > And also is there perhaps any other tweaks I could > make to improve battery life? > This blog post might be of your interest: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/the-power-to-serve-freebsd-power-management/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 15:10:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5A711403DE for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:10:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@incomemail.online) Received: from mail.incomemail.online (incomemail.online [103.39.133.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5896F6FFE7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@incomemail.online) Received: from ae2f4962822c94 ([182.75.24.156]) by incomemail.online with MailEnable ESMTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:04:24 +0530 From: To: Subject: 1st On Google Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:03:10 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AdSH21+3Phjap1bNQZ6qnWGfkCWtCA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Message-ID: <797D5B1FA1DB4328AF8D50F8406151BB.MAI@incomemail.online> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5896F6FFE7 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(3.00)[156.24.75.182.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.4]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[156.24.75.182.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: IN(0.02)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.844,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[incomemail.online]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.incomemail.online]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:132779, ipnet:103.39.133.0/24, country:IN]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:10:56 -0000 Hi, Hope you are doing well. 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Ebdrup" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:53:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Timed releases for the new FreeBSD support model To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6983975D4F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.47)[ip: (-9.49), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.44), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:54:10 -0000 In lieu of any suggestions for where discussion can take place in the announcement email, I figured it'd be best to start this here. So with that said, and since FreeBSDs support model is changing, I've been wondering whether its possible for FreeBSD to have timed releases - so here's something to get a conversation started on that: Can FreeBSD do timed releases? They have advantages and disadvantages, of course - but I'm wondering if the advantages outweighs the disadvantages. Does anything stop timed releases from being possible with the way FreeBSD currently does releases? E.g. picking features from a stable branch, instead of shoveling everything in the repository into a release to get it out on time (which I don't think anyone wants?). Assuming there are other issues, can these be fixed? In a similar vein, I think there's some questions FreeBSD needs to answer before making the decision on whether it should have timed releases, if it's possible. Here's some: Is a timed release delayed if someone emails so@ with patch for an exploit that's in a release while it's being built? Personally, I think I'd prefer a release be delayed slightly as day0/day1 binary updates seems irresponsible to me (read: distributing releases with known security exploits, that is). What happens in case a PoC appears after being withheld until a release has been built? Presumably the only way to fix that is with a binary update. And finally: Can pkg'd base change any of the answers - to me, it seems like an obvious candidate for making timed releases easier, but I might be missing something obvious. Daniel Ebdrup aka. D. Ebdrup. 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Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:36:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:36:27 +0000 (UTC) From: gahn To: Polytropon Cc: gahn via freebsd-questions Message-ID: <968096816.9070779.1543512987275@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20181129111019.0d95ebe1.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257@mail.yahoo.com> <20181129111019.0d95ebe1.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: install binary packages without pkg MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12729 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:63.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B779977EE7 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.22)[ipnet: 98.137.64.0/21(0.67), asn: 36647(0.53), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.973,0]; 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On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 5:10:21 AM EST, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:48:40 +0000 (UTC), gahn via freebsd-questions wrote: > i have a freebsd 7.1 station. how could i install binary packages > from freebsd sites without pkg? You probably can't. FreeBSD 7 is long time EOL. It doesn't even have pkg. If I remember correctly, the new pkg system appeared along FreeBSD 8, and became standard around FreeBSD 9. Packages for FreeBSD 7 are no longer being generated for current software. The older pkg_ format and the new pkg format for precompiled packages are not compatible. On a FreeBSD 7 system, you'd have to use the program pkg_install to install packages. As long as they are in the old format, this will still work. It might be possible that you examine the package content, and then manually extract them, so its content gets written to the correct location. This however does _not_ deal with keeping the system's records about installed packages (the package database) consistent with the actually installed software! Again, note that those are in different formats. Is there a reason you cannot upgrade the system to a currently supported version of FreeBSD, and use pkg as intended? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 18:19:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932E81147FC1 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tya81190@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x62d.google.com (mail-pl1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF69D7B811 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tya81190@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pl1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id t13so1422427ply.13 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:19:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ABDHPHiD2+jmiqQBkIbB2/F8NHEzvOU3/nLe5G31ODU=; b=umwBsyQE6ZbEat2gIRKofihAOKId3kDY9uElQD4RsRzSFJGnewrOsSypilFNEc4U8G ETwfDReo7qMQ3WTz/ke6r8kEZ2iawuy2mqSpXhXreq2bIzn7spY+MDDxEmMBmwKGXDrk Kk9gDUWLlElOx2BqhC3PpmpH9xh3Y7icPl+wOMW0pLsyEM8XjFCtNfzOqwPD/ZpIXW+k hllTmj2eYoUpJdoTeJrRAOoF8OZVCxnuxmORIndDylh0EvSXI07OUCgEKNPoWQNyIfU6 jBuxFJkfzukNjvbzhWuQdZuAz5QHTUyhKPjQCxnhvxf3W988MRYlHmNd1n9W0kKZkJDz ZjFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ABDHPHiD2+jmiqQBkIbB2/F8NHEzvOU3/nLe5G31ODU=; b=s3+hcxSRgFYDvzw2sUrXG27buL7eGwD8KX1uXe/rvpfH8VXzVC8+orcOWQzcu99ScH MB1zieJF20Dr2g0p9bAADdxMXcIEhRubelCoiigL9T9qQTxcfJIys4jB0aAY2Aa+JGKG Q+tEoflx0FI9SyeOumzxgDAckcffegrYLH5ml3HPWnfpBs46y6lO8MWXrsHsAaS4Nkxv bKPRds5kMNLJ8yxPWwTTgIbypn4OlEXB7N3mba38fncKU3ZWwW+p9oC3kweak5TlwMsq iNJEIxvv1ZWYACf7MzUqvox1Tbi3uLVmCVic2WCFjLADG0QsSR5EMDJsK2XawHL6Fxs8 ZP/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWY3Vh9OPdtTXPTszUnl+4kPFK7NGQ3dYW79pbXmiyfxyldMkxYg ewX1DdbBIXrc+NTrdNn74x73DHqGB26NAntB0NRbkw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UOPJKYrQquIWVcI0PIS5uq79c6k/sMiZrnKqFBpjPdyQo4fH/uNbXCHaT/xdu1B+cLGFbzR98DDMfwWtp36jY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8f83:: with SMTP id z3mr2432916plo.328.1543515564794; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:19:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ty Armour Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:19:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: a ton more hacks! To: privacy@winehq.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bizdev@arduino.cc, Voltera V-One , Raspberry Admin X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CF69D7B811 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.63)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.74), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.964,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:19:26 -0000 and them some stuff to do with ethernet ports and some potential future software and hardware updates. These should be cool. Idk, Have fuN! this will also help when debugging software like Bristol and drmsynth, but yeah we can do this. also talk to moog music, pittsburghmodular synth, behringer, and control4 yeah, anything else you want, just add it on there and figure out how to hack it out! this will even help emulating electronic circuits for cloning and for emulations on the computer and compiler optimization! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 19:07:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C709D1149D3F for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kennethhatteland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12a.google.com (mail-it1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2688D7DE52 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kennethhatteland@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id x19so5365864itl.1 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:07:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3OwGT5bJnKgdlWbt7iedARUSbwtF51CYG3O5LfNuSJ0=; b=h1E0bFdNKSxcR/M8vgm0qMwvu/qmW2xbJgkdT/0g4z+vzC2JTxBTDXl3SBT8DDMd7/ GObgqfCk66qRhRDqNt0+3fY7fCN4UNytE+gil5ARkoZ3RwUIb7vgJSG8rUsDIp1vd4s4 ZBD0AgDenqX8iGsbY1GZYUv/mFjOAyj7x651JfA7e9xJdKEa57ZyNssUVADl7GNG5QvY rspeRxDhZrih76XWkKSZxtMtNaluiVkrnzX57884R+ZaOyzHWPPp34uperhotpRyb/cO VEIGkaaLBTwHDwQxY2udKd3oo3qa63LFr7TelDcKqc3U8Uyq0gnGw/XvGQZLEosAO+U/ Qq5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3OwGT5bJnKgdlWbt7iedARUSbwtF51CYG3O5LfNuSJ0=; b=J8kxqCqkouOKvHVI5+UXkXUfdM0S3ubu8RJAG0QKT4lrxHSCe6xadhDmrSgkUv+JBm AayDmzpmpuS3FWwXLkbFmjRe7hIqOXFxyVYNQgcE3jwOyANlGn96ByX1W6ZIQb7cDGiL xXtwhbGt89/Psb1H/mF7XZRzmvVm6ZNb0pQsH4rwtZdUUg/rjLaOPphUiSqC8N0r6nww ERuS4nRlJbP6vbI9QEt1DSvEUhz0sadWeRTaEpYdVYiGaz6w+dHnxhIuoT5nGJmyTH1a Ol7wx9K3kQ9Kxw2g7bfUTHg1XT2H0pj8CrPWu1XUhItXz/P4KAqdcvypuqtYJrd3J+/w 6KRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZLdkwrO5wqkuxq7MNolwlZfNdiS9eWTsl3NezFx6daPheZomrj Zf2PIWTfHBlvXreo0Kii/ETk8Sz+MjpC4V6qm46Umg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VgkVed9Ss8abGEmMbPGPASJXmXhdm5EYh6rCw0M5k9l28f7wz09V0bhGOgmfG9cB0eIi6BjbhmG/cyZJ2Ic2o= X-Received: by 2002:a24:1aca:: with SMTP id 193mr2648380iti.150.1543518459276; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kenneth Hatteland Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:07:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: How to complete freebsd-upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2688D7DE52 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.66)[ip: (-5.15), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.74), asn: 15169(-1.33), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:07:41 -0000 I am following the usual route to obtain FreeBSD 12.0-RC2. But after downloading and merging the screen only consists of small signs on the left. Usually hitting end etc will bring me back to a prompt, and I can proceed with FreeBSD-update install command. But not so after BETA2 which I am running. How to get past this so I can perform the upgrade _ Blessed be Kenneth Hatteland, Norway From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 19:17:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD80114A387 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hyun@caffeinated.codes) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D17527E7D9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hyun@caffeinated.codes) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A6F23A48 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from web5 ([10.202.2.215]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:17:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= caffeinated.codes; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=fm1; bh=nx3gZoSMLBSbWrLsDqORXIHM5Ad05vmKObMOM+EoH 0w=; b=Ab5gb5cKR6Ya605etEbXXfgne1MXeNOtW6l2pSCtcleXb5cO+pqhhnLY7 lY90ymLfs3XkCaQPLPEDEkcMOWRIHvugIOwoGxrGe7DdjNevDuRXPtwLG2PWXe3K 4ZxwknbOb2ob3fYhaM+FL9BBqOAB9RUkTp4AJyNrG4EqmVR4ewIhARS+jmFLzLTE xuLHE9OvdYAGepjHvf9+5X1ikICbRsOERpXure79Uofk1D2wdNAHW7KQ/nsUdg0Y GET7ZJCQj4anwJEE688rxBEtuNgHyfBDhUD+FloSpX8L2FWI9ZPOFBFidOCLlHaj qPvRxtw6baGBIHpVGrEMy9AtOscog== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=nx3gZoSMLBSbWrLsDqORXIHM5Ad05vmKObMOM+EoH 0w=; b=j1exy2Z3HO9REs9Lb8FkyfG2UgXxySzVL1OnkH+HUAUusmqVadzhE7TyV ACSc3InrjKGCINPBoLOab9P4ogHciso76NpBAkPVGY7Xp5fx0n+/fH8Urky8eeGr 2mnr8m/+U6HwHXVloGquT9j0vO0rN4MaV0aglI3smwSqURDNZlGW69p0VvPq/ywe 140TXR2lWMIVvYbkmt0oSL0G85Rze91dBcXj2RzbCo5XrV8P5l64Wbrfux2gpAfP 1YfkngE/XoC+19uf3cKVgsLnGpti3vk3U8WUfRJ1JPH+dcnpR53SzN9PE4kTOF7N BDbhQH/aSMevVX7a1nv9HNGnc5vyA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1AA209E116; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1543519041.1249615.1593488328.5846A9BF@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Hyun Hwang To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-3449945b Subject: Re: How to complete freebsd-upgrade Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:17:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D17527E7D9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[caffeinated.codes,messagingengine.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.28]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[caffeinated.codes]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[caffeinated.codes:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com,in2-smtp.messagingengine.com,in1-smtp.messagingengine.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[28.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-3.63)[ip: (-9.52), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.68), asn: 11403(-3.87), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:17:29 -0000 On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 8:07 PM (UTC+0100), Kenneth Hatteland wrote: > I am following the usual route to obtain FreeBSD 12.0-RC2. But after > downloading and merging the screen only consists of small signs on the > left. Usually hitting end etc will bring me back to a prompt, and I can > proceed with FreeBSD-update install command. But not so after BETA2 which I > am running. How to get past this so I can perform the upgrade _ > > Blessed be > Kenneth Hatteland, Norway > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My rough guess is that this is due to the default PAGER change in 12.0. Try pressing Q key. -- Hyun Hwang From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 19:26:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893A3114A7EB; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-186.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.186]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dweimer.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 653467F1D6; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received-SPF: pass (webmail.dweimer.net: authenticated connection) receiver=webmail.dweimer.net; client-ip=10.9.5.1; helo=www.dweimer.net; envelope-from=dweimer@dweimer.net; x-software=spfmilter 2.001 http://www.acme.com/software/spfmilter/ with libspf2-1.2.10; Received: from www.dweimer.net (pfSense.dweimer.me [10.9.5.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wATJH9NL023145 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:17:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:17:04 -0600 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Kenneth Hatteland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to complete freebsd-upgrade Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-beta Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net Organization: dweimer.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 653467F1D6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dweimer.net]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dweimer@dweimer.net]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:24.240.198.184/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.04)[0.039,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dweimer.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dweimer.net,reject]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[dweimer.net.c2.mx1.ik2.com,dweimer.net.c2.mx2.ik2.io]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[asn: 20115(0.86), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20115, ipnet:24.240.196.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:26:07 -0000 On 2018-11-29 1:07 pm, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: > I am following the usual route to obtain FreeBSD 12.0-RC2. But after > downloading and merging the screen only consists of small signs on the > left. Usually hitting end etc will bring me back to a prompt, and I can > proceed with FreeBSD-update install command. But not so after BETA2 > which I > am running. How to get past this so I can perform the upgrade _ > > Blessed be > Kenneth Hatteland, Norway I think its the pager change from more to less. It took me a little bit to figure out to press q to quit once you got to the end of the page, with more it just automatically exited at end. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 29 20:00:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3936A114B316 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55E9E800DC for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.104.227]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MQeDw-1gq3MW3WSc-00NiaL; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:59:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:59:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: gahn Cc: gahn via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: install binary packages without pkg Message-Id: <20181129205950.5cb22694.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <968096816.9070779.1543512987275@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108350937.8699050.1543459720257@mail.yahoo.com> <20181129111019.0d95ebe1.freebsd@edvax.de> <968096816.9070779.1543512987275@mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:DGdHwdqX2UalPSvCqxZIHRh8I3PVo79U/+c4lqlT9kFiYyPBpJl t4QSbWRzyEu2if/QA3YtFbCmhHLDLLVXssYvpC55GtybN0gRGTgvfhRTs9BsM1Htpjnbab7 0OU6HoN7Ukvvx+P8Qgg3j1RoUn9USS02THdpO8lghFZf45YS8NSh3g9URHyU9YOO8ukrxfN XFzk/Qvm13sBFmP/C10TQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:+ujoB9J6rL0=:6kpeTAp93tsvQZRcLtwxuk V8DmazT3wFLdlQh8BwGqHWrZZk9taxK8sz4tNjFY4LOOPgGugFPRmsvtneh5PcneDpphBY81H 4UO+iWow4Cqli9WJdW6SjvCd3az5MAWDpOB/5SA1z4saOd2prm8w74onR0NYCcQQgbm24XVIY SJeJ+Yes5XxI09OREc9d7izMzxDTMMpGTBDqH37FQ3dkQD92GJAvHlg4M39N2rJx3X+xhmkgK uLCN5df8SEOJbc6kZU+KTCinhjAYCi2qL989RUZTmL38Ch33loV+wemsB/wMCTjvFZrhTxgfa KO/VqA5C+GV9i0BJaWMMqQ+Wh6vzRc0PsLQx2gK+v6g0WzcyR0rwh5vzJ+7buUXlLu2MIrx69 unL/gRCwcq7FWjeUS4W3Q7KmW8lhPr3sv8+EuaS8KYH65CT429ciQWv+NQjHKRzLhBbuvnx9q 9/CMULh6V21Ll5OQuQ2GTYy0hJGj9HSuvxE175Xxan3q7MM8bOeRd6MoTbvsSNaPhuRuxidqd u0Vjt59orGhAcTIiZeM5oFbUpSfOQ1QfLXyuO0GNE2XrvwpbCrEHf1JmjETNdyZqvhWf5Eum8 mTlkHXdefrpBbn7QvrJoj089KIfj/y0l55Iqdpjyzj4NkdlyMpR0Co9en0ROM4KBrVu+K9p8t /cUkfRQb6s/E/ubnihLHZRgoSihe6rakaAm4HBeqGnorMaKQWtJmacOGl+EtDLMeCAaOWkR9B ls9BDRJAP9N8/e3mTKqsNI3nuAvw4tZScZUjy1pfGqZKFQ9+wsBnWikheIs= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 55E9E800DC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.713,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[227.104.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.38), asn: 8560(0.11), country: DE(-0.02)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.862,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.81)[-0.805,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:00:03 -0000 On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:36:27 +0000 (UTC), gahn via freebsd-questions wrote: > thanks. the VM is provided by the company's lab management for > my lab and i have no choice to choose what version or what > operating system i could run. Ah! Okay, a VM instance... so simply chose a supported FreeBSD version and use current pkg, it won't be a problem. ;-) Sidenote: Even though both the old pkg_ and the new pkg format uses compressed archive for binary packages, it does a lot more than just extracting archives; for example, it could change file permissions, add groups or users, start certain file systems, modify and rebuild system databases, or ensure certain system services are started. In case of manual work, you'd have to do all this on your own (post-installation tasks, and paying attention to potential package messages which could contain further instructions). Summary: FreeBSD 7 is not capable of using current pkg packages. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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On top of that the brightness keys stopped working. I was how ever able to change brightness with a sudo sysctl command. Then the really odd thing the increase brightness key still didn't work but the decrease brightness key sent it back to full brightness??? On a hunch I tried instead using acpi_ibm, but that didn't workout. 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Decreasing CPU speed when system load is low > might also help. > That one I already have setup, thank you. 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I asked long ago about hard drives and I decided and order the new WD black 1TB for my iMac 11,1 where I have installed FreeBSD from version 6?. I decided to change HD by myself but the problem is (which I didn't solved yet) how to put operating system on. First I hope that I can just put FreeBSD CD in and install like on PC but I heard that doesn't work. Does anyone know a trick how should I solved the problem, please. Now I have OS X (Mountain Lion) on and I use rEFIt as boot manager. Gpart shows: 34 1953525101 ada0 GPT (932G) 34 6 - free - (3.0K) 40 409600 1 efi (200M) 409640 1216587112 2 apple-hfs (580G) 1216996752 1269536 3 apple-boot (620M) 1218266288 1024 4 freebsd-boot (512K) 1218267312 727710720 5 freebsd-ufs (347G) 1945978032 7547102 6 freebsd-swap (3.6G) 1953525134 1 - free - (512B) Thank you. SK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 30 11:31:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16A51140B84 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E7937D7F2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D29F21CA2F for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/D29F21CA2F; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Timed releases for the new FreeBSD support model To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <2177b51e-dc7e-7c3e-b9e6-42fa5e1aaa47@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:31:46 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0E7937D7F2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.06 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.57)[0.567,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.58)[0.575,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.922,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:31:51 -0000 On 29/11/2018 16:53, D. Ebdrup wrote: > In lieu of any suggestions for where discussion can take place in the > announcement email, I figured it'd be best to start this here. So with > that said, and since FreeBSDs support model is changing, I've been > wondering whether its possible for FreeBSD to have timed releases - so > here's something to get a conversation started on that: Core is handling the discussons and will be meeting with FreeBSD developers and corporate users during various events, developer summits and conferences. There isn't really a public conversation about this at the moment, but it's unlikely to happen on freebsd-questions@... > Can FreeBSD do timed releases? > They have advantages and disadvantages, of course - but I'm wondering > if the advantages outweighs the disadvantages. Yes, FreeBSD can, and will, do timed releases. In principle it already does, although the schedule seems pretty elastic. The main points of contention are about how frequently updates should happen, how long those are supported for and how many concurrent branches should be available under support. There seems to be two different groups of users, one of whom needs a stable API and KBI for long term (eg. 5 years), and the other which needs to be updating pretty rapidly and always staying within sight of the bleeding edge. > Does anything stop timed releases from being possible with the way > FreeBSD currently does releases? > E.g. picking features from a stable branch, instead of shoveling > everything in the repository into a release to get it out on time > (which I don't think anyone wants?). > > Assuming there are other issues, can these be fixed? There is a question about what changes can be allowed within a 'stable' branch -- so that eg. 3rd party kernel modules should continue to work across the lifetime of the branch, there should not be major changes to APIs and ABIs, so for instance the update to openssl-1.1.1 currently happening for 12.0-RELEASE. These considerations already exist but the details will need to be codified and laid down for whatever upgrade scheme we come up with. > In a similar vein, I think there's some questions FreeBSD needs to > answer before making the decision on whether it should have timed > releases, if it's possible. Here's some: > > Is a timed release delayed if someone emails so@ with patch for an > exploit that's in a release while it's being built? > Personally, I think I'd prefer a release be delayed slightly as > day0/day1 binary updates seems irresponsible to me (read: distributing > releases with known security exploits, that is). We've always worked on the principle that releases are released only when they are ready, so, yes, security advisories and last minute regressions can delay a release. > What happens in case a PoC appears after being withheld until a > release has been built? > Presumably the only way to fix that is with a binary update. It's not the existence of a proof of concept that matters; it's whether there is public knowledge that a particular vulnerability exists. If you where there's a vulnerability, then generating an exploit is relatively easy. Usually this is handled under a process of 'responsible disclosure' -- people that discover a vulnerability will contact software providers privately and give them a reasonable time to generate fixes. Then at some pre-agreed time, all of the providers publish their fixes pretty much simultaneously and the original discoverers publish their work. If this process were to span the time when a new FreeBSD release was in progress, then the correct response would be to carry on with the release and publish a security advisory and patches post-release once the embargo period was over. > And finally: Can pkg'd base change any of the answers - to me, it > seems like an obvious candidate for making timed releases easier, but > I might be missing something obvious. Correct. pkg base is going to help with the way releases are handled. Once pkg base has had the bugs ironed out and is fit for purpose, which is slowly being worked on. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 30 14:13:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C6C11450E2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3360683CB5 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB7B2F40D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:12:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ni1sv0UVD0oZ for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95F5E2F404 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:12:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSd-11.2 tmux V2.7 window buffer From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3360683CB5 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx32.harte-lyne.ca,mx31.harte-lyne.ca,mx132.harte-lyne.ca]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.37)[0.366,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:13:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: 1543587149 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:13:17 -0000 When I use tmux in an ssh session then the utility program cat displays differing amounts of text depending upon whether or not the -n option is used. Without the -n option only the last 50 lines are displayed on the terminal window. With the -n option all the lines are displayed. Further, the number of lines reported by piping the output to wc -l from both forms of invocation gives the same line count notwithstanding they do not display the same number of lines. This does not happen when using a simple ssh session. Why is this happening? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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First I hope that I can > just put FreeBSD CD in and install like on PC but I heard that doesn't > work. > Does anyone know a trick how should I solved the problem, please. > Now I have OS X (Mountain Lion) on and I use rEFIt as boot manager. I place new disk either in a normal PC or an case with USB connection, format it there, give it labels, mount the partitions via the labels and copy every thing onto the new disk I require there. Of course, I adjust the /etc/fstab so that it mounts the disk later via the labels. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 1 10:39:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD7E130DFAC for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 10:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward101j.mail.yandex.net (forward101j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801:2::101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5D6D7B775 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 10:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback9o.mail.yandex.net (mxback9o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::23]) by forward101j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DFD252E81309; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:38:58 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp1j.mail.yandex.net (smtp1j.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:801::ab]) by mxback9o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id QonGlpBkS5-cwbGErF9; Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:38:58 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543660738; bh=E55yhkZAdVwIUBq1mB1vOdCg6SFvgjs81FrMlKfQ8f4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=dkFfTUjkK2MzCmpoc2ziPvrOouUwNSiuc5Me5RrsmU982oiQG0Ap+WAV8Fnjld6Y6 LQ1mlZTvl7NUQPvYQ1JQ9bGXyorkKdURYq/cCbxv2oLx7agPyL2MS0TIfu8n5WUU+b cLwHlakCMfumrIwVsr2r+VoOyaIOtjDUnElj4xa4= Received: by smtp1j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 3qBqTCjpnG-cuhi2VRg; Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:38:57 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1543660737; bh=E55yhkZAdVwIUBq1mB1vOdCg6SFvgjs81FrMlKfQ8f4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=PC6jP9ETH9MIrxrXb6OS4LcbMaNIKd+zLnKP8G6HlwrFhkQrUxiXkCoZFmWtouBgy 7itxULF6FxWRt766eMWq8vmQIwZhTM359qSMJ6hsCIgb1DqwTG+fvlsxEddGIeBvGh E0dQKbtuMpdLbTwwI2j4YpJWYnXvgRd7Kb+4lToc= Authentication-Results: smtp1j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 05:38:54 -0500 From: To: Erich Dollansky Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: new hard drive Message-ID: <20181201053854.1ef28af1@yandex.com> In-Reply-To: <20181201113846.2f21e068.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20181130054835.4caa4d32@yandex.com> <20181201113846.2f21e068.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B5D6D7B775 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.73)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.81), asn: 13238(-3.82), country: RU(0.01)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[1.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.0.1.0.8.0.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 10:39:12 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 11:38:46 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > > Hi! > > > > I asked long ago about hard drives and I decided and order the new > > WD black 1TB for my iMac 11,1 where I have installed FreeBSD from > > version 6?. > > I decided to change HD by myself but the problem is (which I didn't > > solved yet) how to put operating system on. First I hope that I can > > just put FreeBSD CD in and install like on PC but I heard that > > doesn't work. > > Does anyone know a trick how should I solved the problem, please. > > Now I have OS X (Mountain Lion) on and I use rEFIt as boot > > manager. > > I place new disk either in a normal PC or an case with USB connection, > format it there, give it labels, mount the partitions via the labels > and copy every thing onto the new disk I require there. > > Of course, I adjust the /etc/fstab so that it mounts the disk later > via the labels. > > Erich Thank you very much for the answer. I did replace HD in PC too but in the Apple computers is much different and as I heard iMac cannot allow install just FreeBSD or whatever OS different as OS X on the disk. 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Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:36:44 +0000 From: Dave To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: freebsd01@dgmm.net Subject: Re: ROX-Filer: overwriting a file on an USB drive truncates it Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:36:44 +0000 Message-ID: <5081512.8gLySxXtyI@amd.asgard.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> References: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AuthUser: fbsd@dgmm.net X-Originating-IP: 89.187.86.9 X-SpamExperts-Domain: pickaweb.co.uk X-SpamExperts-Username: phantom Authentication-Results: securespamfilter.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=phantom@pickaweb.co.uk X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.09) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5syicL2IN1Q88aaOcQcuKBt602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO16ABlNNUDIJIcF7N1k9wYur48C+/LzRqVzELXf1NLUsbNbo7palBZjCExzO+3olYmpI jwge+bPl7FBODMhx90HO4k7ydv2Rs1VgfbHBQGgnSBWlL1zfgiPkRstzHteqQVg1Uy9ADlOzeJz1 BxZWfHw5Hq+okk8kO+NUCpq3LTiGtbpnLodRr5By2fDp2R8jVjzKTV8aWbomEbNt4lTNHpcoh9fp 7ca9NIZ/NSpXkCUPj8uKS83AY8Zox+9iC24kxSjxqfwyCAYrw2fqkQCzkdxapF5OACmPxETKsh5U enUy2wHLMD8RvSMD/3dHPDLWh5ThS7fF+kg1CS5uvLKKFgo474cUcvHPp35TgSvWp0fKdtSFBDNI Qqn3wmp29zL19SDO67PADFrj2HT/iTotmKGtWtQIVFsrfSwUKmjCqaf5AKMmXLf+gZxR4kKQYJrn 9LGwFDEhigDkhKQAFvOvyJFzHDeqqFz43py4SDhdaHkWGH5NTIq4V6iO0CctOXO1P/DXGdvMf0hC IQTYazXBru0r9/j4ZqTiAQn/RR6hryLeed4rsTxrIWOhYO0bDjnbdlYC+G5RnXkd11JPSbchqfcr IEHWKHXCLZJA7dA5FhTM6zU2HSM79WwHGez7UH25BQQ7Ahihdv0gU25AngJxQvCxnUootgmFOIWO GoMv2GGrpR9HEk1pnTskdcHnCnXCKICVv+5ddIwgRyjpQON48LD6EPCPc3PAvmk0ObpuhqyrX1q+ UK9M4Ffp/Sz1yKunwC3XBUeEcHVSKSG/tpRcYvp04tzEYBpFRWBTxU3uomLB/2RkGBM2GsCYQAsC 54M3LofZ7l/S0eyx3PjKNlaDOt+G45kWo0ooxQlAfjTuG6dcAA8+Lw2w3b5kWD+aMaJnRItFGVnm 6SSE2NVDVurvqXXDd6ZIYRRFbejF2yLs6Uj2F1lOm48loQLcfM4fdfa33A== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@server.securespamfilter.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C1BAF84638 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.71 / 15.00]; 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Result is that overwriting an existing file on an > USB drive causes this file to be truncated instead of being overwritten, > which means data loss. > > How to reproduce: > > After logging in, I start an Xfce session manually: > > startxfce4 --with-ck-launch > > mount stick in an xterm, as per handbook. Note that I've set up user > mounting of USB drives: > > mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644,-M=755 /dev/da0s1 /stick/markus > > open source directory (on hard drive) in a ROX-Filer window > open target directory (on usb drive) in another ROX-Filer window > > drag&drop a file from source over an existing copy on target > > dialog box asks if it is ok to overwrite which I acknowledge > > ROX-Filer window shows the correct file size immediately after copying, > and after rescanning the directory. ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir also > shows the correct file size at this point. > > umount /stick/markus fails because the device is busy. fstat shows that > the ROX-Filer process keeps it busy > > now I can either use umount -f /stick/markus to forcibly unmount the > stick, or I log out of the X session and then use umount /stick/markus > without problems > > then mount the stick again as above, or try on a different computer > > ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir shows a target file size of zero. > > It appears that the new data are never flushed to the disk. I've even > tried to run umount /stick/markus before umount -f /stick/markus, as > this should perform a flush according to the umount man page. This bug > appears to be specific to ROX-Filer. I could not reproduce this using > Thunar, or plain ol' cp. This bug also appears to be specific to USB > target drives, as I cannot reproduce this when overwriting files on the > hard drive. I do not think the problem is related to a faulty file > system on the target drive as I can reproduce this with just about any > thumbdrive and external disk lying around. > > I've been using ROX-Filer for ages, but I've noticed that neither > mailing lists nor bug tracker seem to be active. Is it about time to > move on? > > thanks > Markus I've seen similar issues with various filemanagers over the years including Konquerer and Dolphin. I always just assumed it was a feature of the way filemanagers worked so always closed the file manager windows linked to the mounted device before unmounting it or at least select a directory that is not part of the mounted device. I never tried doing a forced umount while the filemanager had a link to the mounted device. 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Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:33:36 +0000 From: Dave To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: freebsd01@dgmm.net Subject: Re: ROX-Filer: overwriting a file on an USB drive truncates it Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:33:35 +0000 Message-ID: <39584959.F463k0L8Pm@amd.asgard.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> References: <4ee20fc51b13465edcec6d8456be7cf0@mhoenicka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AuthUser: fbsd@dgmm.net X-Originating-IP: 89.187.86.9 X-SpamExperts-Domain: pickaweb.co.uk X-SpamExperts-Username: phantom Authentication-Results: securespamfilter.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=phantom@pickaweb.co.uk X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.09) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5nOIfgN/jXo9kQcEOlX9/vR602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO16ABlNNUDIJIcF7N1k9wYur48C+/LzRqVzELXf1NLUsbNbo7palBZjCExzO+3olYjcF gLVLZ4hg6MMGnzAMxLzO4k7ydv2Rs1VgfbHBQGgnSBWlL1zfgiPkRstzHteqQVg1Uy9ADlOzeJz1 BxZWfHw5Hq+okk8kO+NUCpq3LTiGtbpnLodRr5By2fDp2R8jVjzKTV8aWbomEbNt4lTNHpcoh9fp 7ca9NIZ/NSpXkCUPj8uKS83AY8Zox+9iC24kxSjxqfwyCAYrw2fqkQCzkdxapF5OACmPxETKsh5U enUy2wHLMD8RvSMD/3dHPDLWh5ThS7fF+kg1CS5uvLKKFgo474cUcvHPp35TgSvWp0fKdtSFBDNI Qqn3wmp29zL19SDO67PADFrj2HT/iTotmKGtWtQIVFsrfSwUKmjCqaf5AKMmXLf+gZxR4kKQYJrn 9LGwFDEhigDkhKQAFvOvyJFzHDeqqFz43py4SDhdaHkWGH5NTIq4V6iO0CctOXO1P/DXGdvMf0hC IQTYazXBru2yC3NT/TekfiOvg4bX8E2ued4rsTxrIWOhYO0bDjnbdlYC+G5RnXkd11JPSbchqfcr IEHWKHXCLZJA7dA5FhTM6zU2HSM79WwHGez7UH25BQQ7Ahihdv0gU25AngJxQvCxnUootgmFOIWO GoMv2GGrpR9HEk1pnTskdcHnCnXCKOoVuVrUjkv4RZYkSm2sci0mV5Qc+9/CkEbvjW9wFOAtX1q+ UK9M4Ffp/Sz1yKunwC3XBUeEcHVSKSG/tpRcYvp04tzEYBpFRWBTxU3uomLB/2RkGBM2GsCYQAsC 54M3LofZ7l/S0eyx3PjKNlaDOt+G45kWo0ooxQlAfjTuG6dcAA8+Lw2w3b5kWD+aMaJnRItFGVnm 6SSE2NVDVurvqXXDd6ZIYRRFbejF2yLs6Uj2F1lOm48loQLcfM4fdfa33A== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@server.securespamfilter.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9ECE384945 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.70 / 15.00]; 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Result is that overwriting an existing file on an > USB drive causes this file to be truncated instead of being overwritten, > which means data loss. > > How to reproduce: > > After logging in, I start an Xfce session manually: > > startxfce4 --with-ck-launch > > mount stick in an xterm, as per handbook. Note that I've set up user > mounting of USB drives: > > mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644,-M=755 /dev/da0s1 /stick/markus > > open source directory (on hard drive) in a ROX-Filer window > open target directory (on usb drive) in another ROX-Filer window > > drag&drop a file from source over an existing copy on target > > dialog box asks if it is ok to overwrite which I acknowledge > > ROX-Filer window shows the correct file size immediately after copying, > and after rescanning the directory. ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir also > shows the correct file size at this point. > > umount /stick/markus fails because the device is busy. fstat shows that > the ROX-Filer process keeps it busy > > now I can either use umount -f /stick/markus to forcibly unmount the > stick, or I log out of the X session and then use umount /stick/markus > without problems > > then mount the stick again as above, or try on a different computer > > ls -al /stick/markus/targetdir shows a target file size of zero. > > It appears that the new data are never flushed to the disk. I've even > tried to run umount /stick/markus before umount -f /stick/markus, as > this should perform a flush according to the umount man page. This bug > appears to be specific to ROX-Filer. I could not reproduce this using > Thunar, or plain ol' cp. This bug also appears to be specific to USB > target drives, as I cannot reproduce this when overwriting files on the > hard drive. I do not think the problem is related to a faulty file > system on the target drive as I can reproduce this with just about any > thumbdrive and external disk lying around. > > I've been using ROX-Filer for ages, but I've noticed that neither > mailing lists nor bug tracker seem to be active. Is it about time to > move on? > > thanks > Markus > >