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Date:      Wed, 3 Apr 96 11:15:59 MET DST
From:      Greg Lehey <lehey.pad@sni.de>
To:        knarf@camelot.de (Frank Bartels)
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, knarf@camelot.de, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: DAT problems
Message-ID:  <199604030800.KAA24860@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de>
In-Reply-To: <m0u4OWX-00036sC@robin.camelot.de>; from "Frank Bartels" at Apr 3, 96 11:06 am

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>
> Heya!
>
> Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>>> After that the machine sometimes crashes a couple of minutes later.
>>> The tape seems to wind forward and then backward and then panics.
>>
>> How long does it do this for?  More or less than a minute?
>
> Much more than one minute.

Sounds like the syndrome I know.

>>> I tried another tape in another SP3G with NCR.
>>>
>>> (ncr0:4:0): "HP HP35470A 9 09" type 1 removable SCSI 2
>>>
>>> Same error. :/
>>>
>>> So I bought a new machine:
>>
>> A new computer or a new DAT drive?  Judging by the report, I'm
>> assuming a new computer.
>
> A new computer. :)
>
>> There are a couple of things you should check:
>>
>> 1.  You don't have a 120m cartridge, do you?  The 34580A can't read
>> them (but it should report the fact, and not go into deep
>> meditation mode).
>
> No, I have just 90m tapes.
>
>> 2.  Have you cleaned the drive with a cleaning cartridge in the last
>> 25 hours of operation?
>
> No, I did not. Now I got a cleaning tape and used it, but it did not help.
> (Should I use cleaning cartridges or not? If, how often?)

Yes.  According to the handbook (or my memory of it), every 25 hours
of tape run time.

>> 3.  Does it work with a new cartridge?  It looks as if you're trying
>> to read an existing cartridge, and if that's not in good
>> condition, it could cause these problems.
>
> This seems really possible. But _writing_ to an "old" tape (written
> on it once) should work as good as writing to a new tape, yes?

You'd think so, wouldn't you.  But the symptoms I had with my first
dead 35480A were identical to what you describe, including the strange
fact that I could write new tapes and then read them, but that the old
tapes weren't readable.  After I changed the drive, I could read the
old tapes again, but not the tapes I had written since the error
occurred.  In fact, I couldn't even *write* the tapes with the new
drive.  Presumably a bulk eraser would solve that problem.

If you want, give me a phone call (06637/919123, but not today, or
0171/3524364), and we'll discuss what we should do with this.  I'd
really like to get HP involved and see what they have to say about the
problem.

Greg




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