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Date:      Sun, 30 May 2021 18:54:29 -0500
From:      William Carson via freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
To:        Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Boot from USB on RPi4 8GB?
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> On May 30, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> On 2021-May-30, at 13:50, Mark Millard via freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm at =
freebsd.org> wrote:
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>> On 2021-May-30, at 10:59, William Carson via freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm =
at freebsd.org> wrote:
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>>>> . . .
>>>> I use a USB3 SSD that has small enough power requirements
>>>> to not require a powered hub. (I also use a 5.1V 3.5A
>>>> power supply as part of that context.) I've never tried
>>>> spinning rust or higher powered USB3 media.
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>> I view the power supply that I use as just giving a little
>> more margin,  not as a way to increase what the devices
>> total to.
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>>> . . . I'm not sure what's considered "high powered" but the Samsung =
tech specs say this particular model uses 5.7 W on average and 10.0 W =
maximum. But it does seem curious that the Raspberry PI OS will boot =
this disk without issue, so I don't think it's the drive. I also tried a =
Samsung 950 PRO using a different enclosure (QNINE NVME Enclosure, M.2 =
PCIe SSD (M Key) to USB 3.0 External Case), but it behaved the same.
>> . . .
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>> Then you need to use a powered hub for that device.
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> I should have just referred to independent power. You
> had written:
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> QUOTE
> I'm trying to use a SAMSUNG (MZ-V7E500BW) 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 =
NVMe, attached via the Geekworm X872 M.2 NVMe 2280/2260/2242/2230 SSD =
Expansion Board.
> END QUOTE
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> =
https://geekworm.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-x872-m-2-nvme-2280-2260-2242-=
2230-ssd-expansion-board
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> shows that it has its own power connector and has an image
> that says "please power x872 via DC Jack of XH2.54 connector
> if SSD is not recognized or low power". Later text on the
> page says:
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> QUOTE
> Specifications:
> Power Supply
> 	=E2=80=A2 5Vdc +/-5% , Powered by Raspberry Pi USB port
> 	=E2=80=A2 5Vdc via DC power jack or XH2.5 connector, Extra power =
for the SSD
> END QUOTE
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> So, if I gather right, you need to connect a power
> supply to the X872 and another to the RPi4B.
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> Another image says "Note: NOT recommended to use SAMSUNG SSD,
> if use SAMSUNG SSD, please close WiFi". Later text on the page
> says the same.

A-ha, indeed. I just noticed that as well. I've gone ahead and ordered a =
supplementary power supply and a lower-power NVMe to do more testing. =
I'll send an update once I've received and tested them.

Thank you for hopefully pointing me in the right direction.

> =
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/READM=
E.md
>> lists:
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>> "Maximum total USB peripheral current draw" as: 1.2A ,
>> which at 5.1V is 6W.
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>> That figure is the total for all USB devices attached
>> that are not powered independently.
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>> That document also says that a 5.1V supply is required,
>> not 5V.
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>> The power supply that the RPi folks supply is 5.1V @ 3A
>> or 15.3W. Even the 5.1V 3.5A power supply that I use
>> only multiplies out to 17.85W.
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> =3D=3D=3D
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com
> ( dsl-only.net went
> away in early 2018-Mar)
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>=20
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> =3D=3D=3D
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com
> ( dsl-only.net went
> away in early 2018-Mar)
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