From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 29 10:56:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B39B16A4CE for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:56:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD6A43D41 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:56:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2271785843; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:26:08 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:26:08 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jonathan Gray Message-ID: <20050429105608.GQ70593@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20050428154859.GA16433@mail.netspace.net.au> <20050428162322.GE747@empiric.icir.org> <20050429070122.GN70593@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20050429071907.GA13459@mail.netspace.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YzytRCpZNWCht94M" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050429071907.GA13459@mail.netspace.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: incorrect statement on www page X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:56:11 -0000 --YzytRCpZNWCht94M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 29 April 2005 at 17:19:07 +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 04:31:22PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 28 April 2005 at 17:23:22 +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 01:48:59AM +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote: >>>> I came across the following incorrect statement when >>>> browsing http://www.freebsd.org >>>> >>>> "FreeBSD is available free of charge and comes with full source code" >>>> >>>> Sadly I do not think this has been true for some time. >>> >>> I disagree; the wording isn't misleading. However, to address such concerns, >>> it might be better worded as "comes with full source code, and also ships >>> with some binary driver components". >> >> A more accurate statement might be: >> >> "FreeBSD is available free of charge and comes with full source >> code. In addition, many third-party drivers are available, some in >> source, others in binary-only format". >> >> The important thing is that the FreeBSD project is not withholding >> *any* source code. The only binary-only components are from other >> people who don't allow distribution of *their* source. > > If these binary only components come with FreeBSD they are part > of FreeBSD as far as most people are concerned. I suppose that depends on their intellect. How would you describe this distinction? > There are binary components with no publically available source code > in FreeBSD, so it is not full source code. For some definition of "in". Are you trying to imply that we withhold source code to base FreeBSD? Would it be a better product if we were to suppress distribution of those third party components which are available only in binary? > Additionally supporting such things hinders progress on acceptable > alternatives be they drivers with full source or use of other > vendors. How? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --YzytRCpZNWCht94M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCchLIIubykFB6QiMRAnfTAKCWscWUW9PO8/YzZPcS1H3ipZggkgCfREkS rD2PmFRzchnpFsY9H+ntoj8= =bubi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YzytRCpZNWCht94M--