From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:29:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B885857D3A4 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Pl05q8Pz3RL1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:29:31 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Pl05q8Pz3RL1 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:33 -0000 > On 21 Mar 2021, at 11:17, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; >> modern Intel machines do not >=20 > To me "BIOS" nowadays is a word for what ever thingy shows up after > pushing the Del key or what ever key else, after turning on the > computer, to get into the thingy. That's fine if you are only talking to people who share your same idea, = but UEFI is not BIOS in very important ways, so calling it BIOS will = lead to confusion, and it can make trouble-shooting far more difficult = if you are trying to tell someone what to do in BIOS which may simply = not be possible in UEFI, or vice versa. --=20 I think we need to send some time apart so we know what's real and = what's fox.