From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 11 10:52:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0D1957 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AEB1A6B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [87.79.249.155] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1U4qyF-0002Sx-66; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:50:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:48:11 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: Steve Kargl Subject: Re: 7+ days of dogfood Message-ID: <20130211114811.09e56b55@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20130210000723.GA73630@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20130210000723.GA73630@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/B8MjfHLhnGE7jrPbqNIslo2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:52:26 -0000 --Sig_/B8MjfHLhnGE7jrPbqNIslo2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve Kargl wrote: > In a long thread started by Peter Wemm on developers@, he described > the move/upgrade of the FreeBSD.org cluster to using FreeBSD-10. A > part of his description included the need to test top-of-tree under > actual real-world conditions. In his words, FreeBSD should "eat its > own dogfood." The new installation on FreeBSD.org, of course, would > test FreeBSD-10 under (heavy) server load.=20 Sounds like an interesting thread, too bad that it happened behind closed doors. =20 > Unfortunately, trying to build firefox with debugging leads > reveals a broken port and building chrome with debugging leads > to a "file system full" issue (because it is a laptop with only > limited disk space). I usually build everything (except the known-to-be-broken png) with debugging and while Firefox indeed seems to crash even more often than usual the port isn't completely broken for me. I disable some of the more crash-prone options, though. The remaining crashes mostly happen upon exit so they are easy to ignore. While I have the space to save the core dumps my system is too slow to conveniently look at them with gdb and I have given up on Firefox anyway. I intend to deflect to chromium once I find a more powerful replacement for my current (pun intended) laptop. > My conclusion: on at least my not-so-new laptop, FreeBSD-10 can > be used in a desktop environment if one takes some care during the > installation. I'm using CURRENT on my also-no-so-new laptop since FreeBSD 7 (I think) and came to the same conclusion. It's unfortunate that the builworld time roughly trippled since 2010 but I guess that's progress and a more powerful system should fix it. I certainly welcome clang in general, though. Fabian --Sig_/B8MjfHLhnGE7jrPbqNIslo2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlEYzHsACgkQBYqIVf93VJ0fQgCgtBvUHpe2e4dIyjV5hozs5LQd ObEAnROf295AJelrCAGJ+8wAJwbaMoKO =JEit -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/B8MjfHLhnGE7jrPbqNIslo2--