From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Thu Aug 23 23:28:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF8F109AEA9 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 23:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.bowling@kev009.com) Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com (mail-it0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCC278CC6C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 23:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.bowling@kev009.com) Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id x79-v6so3767495ita.1 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GgVQisQx7xFXcCIDGhnxi/XF6pAj0SYeSVwxnceO4Hg=; b=StPHJVz+i5C+ihIgYqyYg9eLiVU9UeA3hYOx39dIie1XRg36FuMgAeLpBy36OCvGu/ EbT3HnnCjvCArcP32U20sXiVFd/qFaxw5/POgOeb0uIiH39DVunnCqrgEQv/arxdkPZh VsgURU0K6Hb/HoOiAIoRCjF7Ehn1a3qV7kqlw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GgVQisQx7xFXcCIDGhnxi/XF6pAj0SYeSVwxnceO4Hg=; b=Vx7nI7YbIYkZAqUW4TeqgeCLjdDnM4SEjWzph25aygXgC/AofZeadNmC2LTSKYXB/q RqwEAm+v8macdA+QM7HAw9okm4JEGuFhYZyBapqMTPo6Wcp8tXxEB4CEJUKfwVfyxAcw q+oG6hmYH5P4hpZ2ufdpbdgT85HFSiTI0tL9EdRfGsEZtfamgJj8s4O/Sp2rDSCYhJrw GPp5AmI8Mvm3skybYrw3Zud+IVCDHBP6rzyHckY3dGM775Om43VS88M8Guya8/2HhnNq +kOlRXHd262tnm7KKPR4NxmQIjrYEmJYGWCnFxH4ctPNMf1E4ZONP5ZixncVu5nsuSWO oB0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DASPC5B6M96ENCfd0lEjK5b7KP8ouTYg+XKqOK+DKc83JE9ivN L5QQvZBmsfiRbJZ3rrEzwrxWe8CAt00gZNIYqmn89g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vdb0rQOZiz3d0Gmd73o4xV59Un007AimfZhAfL8uUUQV9SyUIa8unvF9X8ss1FTyIx5pmSoQh/i5FdERjhuEm8s= X-Received: by 2002:a24:7412:: with SMTP id o18-v6mr8314400itc.81.1535066890837; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:28:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:665b:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:28:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201808231755.w7NHtlQS090702@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201808231755.w7NHtlQS090702@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:28:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r338172 - Now deprecating DRM To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Cc: Warner Losh , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Matt Macy , src-committers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 23:28:12 -0000 On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:08 AM Rodney W. Grimes < >> freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> >> > I think this deprecation is a rather serious deviation >> > from the stated policy, in that 0 notification was >> > made, core IMHO, has overstepped some boundaries in >> > that respect. These policies are promises to the >> > downstream consumers, and violating them is very >> > poor planning. >> > >> >> Despite what the commit said, core didn't actually formally approve it >> before the fact. That was one of the many miscommunications surrounding >> this episode. > > Well I would say inlight of that fact a revert should be a no questions > asked, doing much else risks build breakage within hours of code freeze. > > >> I don't think you'll find anybody who would say this was well planned or >> well executed. > > Agreed, so lets be simple in correcting it? This is feeding more unnecessary inflammation. I disagree with this statement and so do a lot of other people including multiple on core. There is certainly an opportunity to do better, but the policy and procedures being spoken are not installed yet, we're under hard deadline to lock down the 12.x ABI and the proposed review for a tegra124-private drm2 addresses all who have standing in the matter. Matt Joras offered a very professional and rational take on things on developers@. I would encourage people to noodle on that before continuing to inflame the issues. > From some investigation even the claim that "in base drm conflicts with > ports drm" is not totally true, you just have to take a few steps to > be sure you do not load the base versions, and do load the ports version. It does. The graphics team unilaterally agrees.