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Date:      Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:11:58 -0700
From:      "Philip J. Koenig" <pjklist@ekahuna.com>
To:        Mark Rowlands <mark.rowlands@minmail.net>
Cc:        questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: I hate to bring it up again (spamming)
Message-ID:  <20020626101156585.AAA781@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>
In-Reply-To: <200206260922.34870.mark.rowlands@minmail.net>
References:  <20020625230039020.AAA766@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>

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On 26 Jun 2002, at 9:22, Mark Rowlands boldly uttered: 

> On Wednesday 26 June 2002 1:00 am, Philip J. Koenig wrote:
> > > > As a side comment, even without Edwin, I've never been on a technical
> > > > list that got so much spam.
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > DDDD   David Kramer                           http://thekramers.net
> > >
> > > Well luser, newbie or just plain stupid, why don't the admins here block
> > > his IP till he gets a clue?
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> > > Beech
> >
> > I have emailed the freebsd postmaster/list administrator about this
> > problem.  The ball is in their court.
> >
> > As pointed out before, the problem is exacerbated by the unusual
> > scenario of 1) not requiring membership to post and 2) not blocking
> > file attachments by default.
> >
> >
> > Phil
> 
> I rather think the presumption is that if your are smart enough to subscribe 
> to freebsd-questions, you're smart enough to employ some local method to deal 
> with spam.  :-)
 

Actually you are making some incorrect assumptions, ie that everyone 
is receiving individual messages, not digests. (I almost always 
subscribe to list digests rather than individual messages)

When you receive digests, you can't block individual messages.  The 
list messages themselves come from a 'trusted' site.  You can't use 
RBL-type systems on them for that reason.  You can't test message 
headers.  You can't block specific attachments.  You can't use MUA-
side filtering because the digests are monolithic.  Bottom line is, 
when the digests are 95% spam, there is no other choice but to have 
to wade through the crap to find something useful. (then there is the 
case of people in various parts of the world who pay by the byte to 
download this stuff)

It's time to stop blaming the victim.  I DO NOT have this problem 
with other lists I'm on, and several others have pointed out the same 
thing.

I understand there may be limited human or hardware resources, but 
several people have indicated they are willing to contribute in that 
respect.  We are not all just sitting here complaining and not 
offering to help. (I will reiterate the suggestions people have made 
that those who wish to contribute in this regard contact the 
appropriate parties directly.  I have done that.)



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Philip J. Koenig                                       pjklist@ekahuna.com
Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium


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